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@mikhailabunidal9146

Жыл бұрын

@🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿Scotland History Tours w/ Bruce Fummey We'll be seeing another video (if there wasn't one already created ) called What they Don't Tell You about the Legendary Sword 🗡 of William Wallace

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

I had thought to include a bit about the sword, but we were already running long

@KevinHell

Жыл бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours ahhh what's the point? tada

@rhindy6846

Жыл бұрын

@@KevinHell because its the sword you knob

@MrCassowary

Жыл бұрын

So William Wallace is a British Empire hero because he kicked the English out? By fighting against the English, he became a hero of the Union? What mental gymnastics the Victorians had ot go through to turn Wallace into a Unionist hero. The Scots of the 19th century was proud of heir hero and at the same time were proud of the British Empire which they benefited from. That's why they built the Wallace Monument and turned him into a Unionist hero.

Why does this man not have his own series on the history channel!?! Your storytelling is artistry, I watched it a second time, or rather listened to it. I kept my eyes closed and I could picture what you were describing. I understood completely. Thank you sir

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

Ah brillliant

@mikesmith7447

Жыл бұрын

Because the history channel dose not care about it's origins, it wants to attract viewers who watch the Kardashians.

@stevenfletcher1653

10 ай бұрын

Because he’ s a rabid snp supporter

@motoedd2437

8 ай бұрын

Agreed 👍🏻

@raymacdhomhnuill8018

8 ай бұрын

Your shows should stream as a Scottish History Channel on Pluto TV, Roku TV, etc...

William Wallace is surely a symbol of hope for a future independence and an enduring Scottish identity! 🤔

Heroes are always problematic. People want the perfect human but Heroes always have flaws because they start as ordinary humans. Monuments pick a version to celebrate, then the subsequent generations look at it in horror or change the focus. A hero is usually a temporary leader needed at a specific moment in time. Most don't ask to be one and beware of the one who does.

@999999999Milena

Жыл бұрын

How can I save this comment?

@barbaradoye1989

Жыл бұрын

Indeed! Very wise! Take care!

I am getting old now born 1946 and brought up in Falkirk 12 miles from Stirling. I never ever heard Wallace's monument referred to as "a celebration of Empire" by anyone younger or older and certainly not by my father or grandfather. It was always what it was and is a symbol of Scottish defiance and independence. The fact that the Earl of Moray mortally wounded in the battle of Stirling Bridge was in all probability the architect of this victory is rarely acknowledged.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

You should see my video on the subject

@campbella2796

Жыл бұрын

Probably because the mental gymnastics required to view it in those terms couldn't be performed by rational people.

@steveconnolly8869

Жыл бұрын

The Earl of Moray was the architect of this victory, if he'd survived nobody would of even heard of Wallace. He wasnt trusted by his own to lead

@endlessnameless6628

Жыл бұрын

@@campbella2796 No not if you properly understand the times when it was conceived and built, the notion of Scots as proud citizens of the Union actively engaged in the building of empire is well understood in academic circles.Unfortunately there's a silly narrative of Scots being unwilling participants in Britain's imperial expansion thats sprang up over the last few years which is just nonsense. The aristocracy, upper and upper middle class in Scotland were pretty much Anglicised during the founding of the British empire( look at the benefits in mercantile trade and industrialization those sectors of society reaped at the time) and guess who planned, sourced funding for and built the monument? It wasn't the plebs and so it makes sense that it would be a celebration of Scottish identity strictly within the context of the British empire. Encouraging blind nationalism simply wasn't to the benefit of those building the thing and they would have been very sensitive not to send the wrong message. In fact the push for Scottish independence is actually a 21st century phenomenon, there was a very long period with no concrete stirrings of nationalism at all simply because going back to the time of colonial expansion you would find most Scots proud to call themselves part of the British empire. We forget all this stuff and look at things through a modern lens, we see in these monuments of the past what we want to see but that is often very different from the message of those who built them aspired to impart so it's not so much mental gymnastics as much as simple ignorance of history. We tend to think about these things simplistically and without context and Braveheart also has a lot to answer for in a lot of the naive understanding of Scottish nationalism we see today.

@campbella2796

Жыл бұрын

@@endlessnameless6628 I don't believe that the Victorians were so ignorant of history. They were obviously desperate to avoid any notion of what the Times called "provincial petty exclusionism". Their mental gymnastics would be described today as political spin.

Really excellent production and editing, this video is worthy of being on TV. I really enjoyed it, im an English man living in Dundee and I love the Scots, I love living here and will never move back.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Anthony

I’ve often wondered why the British government allowed a monument to be built to a Scottish hero. Watching your video has made me to understand the How & Why. Thanks Bruce!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

You're welcome

@Yer_Man_Rob

Жыл бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours *weclome

@billycaspersghost7528

Жыл бұрын

Because Scottish history is British History.

@mikhailabunidal9146

Жыл бұрын

@@billycaspersghost7528 🤔🤔🤔

@LoriCiani

Жыл бұрын

History, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. My last primary school teacher, Mrs Begg, took us to the monument, twice in the late 60s, and not a word about the empire or union was spoken by her. Lots of how brave the Scottish were in beating the English. 😄

I was able to visit the William Wallace monument in 2016. I walked from the castle to the monument, traveling through the streets and bridges of Stirling. I could feel the history and presence of the soldiers. I felt it was a monument to Wallace, but also to the History and people of Scotland. Thanks for the video bud.

Scotland! The country that symbolises bravery and belief! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@davidking7353

Жыл бұрын

used to then got occupied

@bomma2694

Жыл бұрын

@@davidking7353 Don't be stupid! As an Englishman that's lived in Scotland for 30 years now, for the most part the Scots are STILL a symbol of bravery and defiance to injustice!! Have a look at the rangers fans from JUST LAST WEEK....... I'm proud to have my Scottish brothers with us!!!

@CLARKE176

Жыл бұрын

Britain is the country, Scotland is a region. Along with England and Wales.

@CLARKE176

Жыл бұрын

​@@davidking7353 tell that to the people in the far east where the empire was called the Scottish empire.

@ivandinsmore6217

10 ай бұрын

What went wrong. In this century the Scots twice had the opportunity to vote for independence. On both occasions they rejected it. If the Scots haven't the courage to vote themselves out of the EU I believe they will never have the courage vote for independence.

I’m from Quebec but I always had a fascination with Scotland. So much history so beautiful. Thank you for this video

To me , I still hold Wallace high and bold. I do not care how the English or anyone else views him. He was a man of his time. THE Wallace, If still alive would be happy to know that there is more than a few of us that still wants a Independent Scotland. The dream has not ended. The fire still burns.

@stepek91

6 ай бұрын

💯🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@invisibleman4827

6 ай бұрын

As an English guy I honestly say that laying SI aside for a moment, Wallace was a complex person, definitely had his dark side if his track record in North West England is anything to go by, but some admirable qualities too. It's just such a shame that Braveheart chose to ignore and disregard the real history in so many ways 😕

@scottjock

5 ай бұрын

I blame Mel Gibson myself 😅

@CagedSUPERMAN

4 ай бұрын

@@invisibleman4827if it weren’t for Gibson those of us in the US who hold Wallace in high regard may never have heard of Wallace. Braveheart is the greatest film of all time whether accurate or not.

@CagedSUPERMAN

4 ай бұрын

@@invisibleman4827I don’t think Wallace was any more dark than what vlad the impaler did to his enemies

Very interesting and well narrated, but I am a Scottish Nationalist and it will always be to me The Wallace Monument celebrating a National Scottish hero.

To be able to pull this off at that time in British politics is pure insanity, truly another great scottish scheme and ingenuity.

@hetrodoxly1203

Жыл бұрын

The British government would have never stopped Scotland building a monument and i'm not sure they could have, Scotland was very romanticized at the time and all things Scottish were in vouge.

@Halbared

Жыл бұрын

@@hetrodoxly1203 I think so, with Vicky at the top and her beloved John Brown.

@raymondg.rienks9906

Жыл бұрын

@@Halbared While in Honolulu at their Highland Games (~2015) we met a lady from Samoa looking for the tartan for Clan Brown. He was shipped there when Victoria was to marry Albert, ending her romance with Brown but introducing Samoa to the kilt. The lady was a descendent.

@Halbared

Жыл бұрын

@@raymondg.rienks9906 THat's pretty darn cool.

These videos are so well made, brilliantly presented, narrated and researched…. Could watch them all day!

@MultiDrew83

Жыл бұрын

They're excellent!

This was an excellent presentation and very thought provoking. It is true the co-opting of a hero, or tradition or a location has been used in the psychological arsenal of a prevailing movement (religion, political force etc.). I had never considered the Wallace monument was one such example. However, you have opened my eyes to this.

I’ve added the Wallace National Monument to my to do list when I’m in Scotland in a couple of weeks. Fascinating story Bruce.

I was born in England. My Mother was a MacDonald from Stirling. Stirling is a place of belonging for me. I love visiting Scotland. So good to get great informative postings from you. Good work ⭐

@stevovimy

Жыл бұрын

Sassenach

@RonSill1986

Жыл бұрын

@@stevovimy embarrassing

@PolarRed

Жыл бұрын

@@RonSill1986 but technically accurate!

@stevovimy

Жыл бұрын

@@RonSill1986 sassenach

@RonSill1986

Жыл бұрын

@@PolarRed you can be accurate and dumb at the same time. It's common in Scotland.

It’s always been a monument for Wallace for me. Passed it thousands of times driving north heading home. I always look over and think of the brutality and romanticism of his legacy 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Being a Crawford, I feel connected and proud of William Wallace and his legacy. Being an American and now long in the tooth, I expect I will never visit the country which gave birth to my name but have visited many times via books of history and wonderful pieces which are gifts such that you have given. It is hard to quantify knowing one’s ancestry but for me, it quietly urged me to try harder, to endure a bit more and do the best I could and never be a burden on others if my situation allowed. Thank you for bringing me with you.

@Tsoiugidali

Жыл бұрын

You have described me as well. American by birth but Scottish by my genes. My birth name is Abernethy and I too am way long in the tooth. Thanks Rowdy!

@jemmajames6719

Жыл бұрын

Everyone with Scottish ancestry is related to Wallace just like if your ancestry goes back to the UK you’ve a high chance of being related to the Royal family. Most Europeans are related to Charlemagne and a high percentage of European men are related to Genghis Khan. It’s a fascinating subject.

@RickPop85

Жыл бұрын

clan Crawford home town is about 15 miles south of me in South Lanarkshire - the village named crawford. They were a norse clan formed from a off shoot of the great heathen army that invaded England and given land in Scotland where the name resides today along with the highest hill peak named Culter fell - fell being a high moorland or hill In norse. Castle Crawford still exists ina ruinious state and built with the stones from a much earlier roman fort that was based in the same spot.

@hetrodoxly1203

Жыл бұрын

Crawford is of Old English origin, found in Scotland and England.

@tormodmacleod9116

Жыл бұрын

As a Scot i can tell you mostly everyone here is related to our royalty or some leading figure in our history. We didn't have a massive population and still don't. Small population but done more for the world than most nations ever will.

The first time we tried to go there in 2019. We circled around three times and gave up. Had the opportunity again in 2021 and made it. After the monument, we walked the trails and got caught in a heavy down poor. What an adventure, we loved it and was well worth it.

Well as an Englishman I would add Billy Connolly to the Hall of Heroes. He came from humble origins and carried Glasgow and Scotland round the world with comedy and music. Has any one Unionist or Nationalist done more to promote Scotland in the 20th and 21st Centuries?

@bumfie

Жыл бұрын

We he was called the Big Yoon ....................................................................

@beee682

Жыл бұрын

mate he spent more time out of scotland than he did in, hes nae idea what its like livin ere

@lorieluv4738

Жыл бұрын

❤️❤️

@whiteo333

Жыл бұрын

@@beee682 Aye if ye won the lottery ye'd be livin' where ye are pal?

@ceedielucas6072

Жыл бұрын

As a scots Irish man, I absolutely agree

Such beautiful content delivery. Extremely educational and well executed. Eye opener. Provided greater perspective and thought provoking questions about the monument. Debating people's perceptions and reasons for the structure is extremely important for what the monument represents. Ultimately in the end, the beautiful country and its people of Scotland gained its independence. Yes, I believe to Scotland is still underrepresented at England's Parliament and not always listened to. A few decades ago I visited the Wallace Monument, and felt very confused about its representation, but you have clarified brilliantly without question. Thank you.

I think this is one of the best presentations I have seen about monuments in general, not just the William Wallace Monument. I find it absolutely fascinating how you explained that monuments are given different meanings by individuals rather than the architects of such monuments, it's something that is often overlooked by most presentations. I've never been a fan of monuments due to the political ramifications of such fortifications, but seeing them in the way you have presented them I can see each has a different meaning and different stories to tell depending on the individual you speak too. As an in individual born and raised in England, I have no strong opinion regarding Scottish independence. My only thoughts are if it is something the Scottish people want, then I would support whatever movement the Scottish people desire. It's not my garden, and therefore who am I to tell the Scottish people what they should do with it. Thanks for sharing this presentation, it's informative and indeed interesting...

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@josephalvarez805

Жыл бұрын

I am really excited to have discovered your channel, sir. Just subscribed. Keep up the awesome work; you are innovative!

I'm 40 and I'm just finding out about all these historical places. So much for history classes

I love having you as my History Teacher Bruce! My parents were Australian & Nee Zealand residents but their grandparents on both sides all from Glasgow, Fife & Stirling areas my dna says 56% Scottish and i feel it in my bones & heart!! ❤💪🏽🙏🏽

I don't understand how someone so opposed to being conquered by England, could be a symbol of the Empire. That takes a twist in logic I just can't make.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

Indeed

@kirkmorrison6131

Жыл бұрын

@@davidgraham6434 true.

As a Canadian with strong Scottish ancestry I always seen and still see the Wallace monument representing the Scottish achievement of maintaining independence and Wallace and his followers battles. I had no idea the history of erecting this monument and that there were busts of more heroes inside. Thank you Bruce for this detailed insight 🇨🇦 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@ashleytaylor7621

Жыл бұрын

Theres 2 typos here 1. What independence? 2. You have no idea about anything scottish or british

@endlessnameless6628

Жыл бұрын

@@ashleytaylor7621 1 He's probably referring to Wallace's role in the first war of Scottish independence 2 You don't know that 3 Neither of those things are typos. Try and be nicer to people online. You just look like a daftie otherwise

@ashleytaylor7621

Жыл бұрын

@@endlessnameless6628 yes but my point is that they havent been independent since and the fact that theyve had many multiple referendoms to go independant but lo and behold its the scottish that actually want to be apart of the uk but yet its also the scottish that descively hate the english for the past yet they did more barbaric and gruesome stuff i have just as much right to hate "england" being from the north i believe we should be reffered to as northumbrians of which im sure you know nothing soooo, oh and why should i be nicer to people? No one wants to learm anything when you try to be nice, look at you for instance none of your points adressed the meaning most likely because you arent british yourself and dont know shit about our lifestyle, history and or culture but yet if i call you an idiot you will either shrug it off and continue your ignorance or you will put mw to debate and ask why i feel that way and hey you may even change my mind. Also also if you think that anything i said is harsh buddy stay where ever it is youre from and dont come to the uk youll leave crying your eyes out with "twink" written in permenat marker.

@geniejack9709

Жыл бұрын

@@ashleytaylor7621 Independence from the EU 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧😊

Growing up American, but being very aware of my family's Scottish roots on both sides, I had read everything about William Wallace I could lay my hands on. I recall vividly, leaving the theatre where Braveheart screened, and being thoroughly disgusted by Hollywood's treatment of a national hero. So many innaccuracies, it was complete bull shite. Very thought provoking take on Wallace.

Wow not at all what I thought it stood for... Thanks for illuminating me. Have to admit I thought it stood for Scotlands brave battles to retain independence 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

I think so too

Another Scottish invention to be given to the wider world, must be "Spin Doctors!" Never realised they had been around for so long.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

😜

@Indyghurl

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

I don't know how true it actually is but I remember being told that Giuseppe Garibaldi was a supporter of the monument. The hilarious shouting Mel statue, caged for its safety did spoil the impression of the place for a wee while.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

That's true. I had thought about adding it, but the video was already running to 17mins

Canadian Scot here. Graham of Montrose. Sir John is my ancestor. I always find your videos enlightening. Thank you

To me, from Northumberland, its a monument to all great Scots. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🗡⚒️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🤝

A monument's Intention vs. Interpretation - well put! In this simple-answer-to-everything world of the Internet, here's Bruce (and Matt!) asking us to just think for damned minute! Thanks Very Much!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

That's what we set out to do

Another thought provoking video. As an American, we only get Scotland's history through film or books (I prefer books). Your videos not only inform but make me want to read more. I love that you include links to great books. ❤

Having Irish cousins I knew the Irish will take a grudge to the grave, but man, you scots just won't let go. In a conversation with a McDonald, about his distrust of a Campbell acquaintance, he actually cited the Glencoe Massacre.

@leonrussell9607

Жыл бұрын

Campbells are pricks by nature though

Well, I am from Norway and have been visiting Scotland (and Stirling) in 2011,2012,2013,2014,2015,2016,2017,2018, 2019 and 2023 and plan continuing to do so. For me the Wallace monument first and foremost represent Scotland and Stirling more than anything else. And I believe the presentation on this video was insightful and intelligent because, as was pointed out - regardless if it is a monument, person, place or item - it is what people associate with it that maters in the end.

looks to me like a monument to architects' ability to be silly.and yes, the heroes should be updated regularly, to show that people can still be heroes today.

@whiteo333

Жыл бұрын

This comment is spot on sir

It says a lot about how much things have changed that in the 1860s, Rogers and many Scots like him genuinely saw Scotland as an equal member of the United Kingdom and thus sharing in the ownership of the power and glory of the British Empire (as problematic as we now know that to be) and not just as a colonised nation of it.

@billycaspersghost7528

Жыл бұрын

You mean how history has been re written since Catholic bigot Mel Gibson made Braveheart about the wrong guy in a tartan tinted fantasy.

@maxdavis7722

Жыл бұрын

What do you think “equal member of the union means”? Do you think that Scot’s should each have 10 times the power of the average Englishman?

@jackdubz4247

Жыл бұрын

@@maxdavis7722 That's a very Anglo-centric way of looking at it, don't you think? What about England? What about the English? Give me a break. Not everything is about England. This is about Scotland and its people not being treated as "the other" in their own land. When it comes to Great Britain we Scots are not here to make up the numbers and placate the egos of our southern neighbour. We matter too. Irrespective of population density and demographics.

@maxdavis7722

Жыл бұрын

@@jackdubz4247 I was just comparing the voting power between an average Scotsman and Englishman. The point wasn’t “what about the Englishmen” it was “do you honestly feel that it is right for the average Scotsman to have an unreasonable amount of power”?

@maxdavis7722

Жыл бұрын

@@jackdubz4247 I never said you didn’t matter, the only thing you could infer from my first comment is that a single Scotsman does not matter more than 10 Englishmen.

I'll never forget hearing a couple of Americans talking about the monument and saying how nice it was they built that to honour Mel Gibson.

@bessallin459

Жыл бұрын

Sadly I believe you. I was at the Houses of Parliament years back and some dumb yank said to his wife that the queen lived there. Brilliant

@kennethmacgregor-Gregorach

Жыл бұрын

@@bessallin459 😄 that's so typical of them. Another classic i heard in Edinburgh was "wasn't it nice of them to build the castle so near the train station"

Now yer a fillum star Bruce, it's good to see you still serving the people with the content they deserve.

Now let me tell you a story! Well my story is factual, the fact is I pure love your story telling and the fact I'm picking up loads of historical facts at the same time is great. Thanks for posting and more thanks for being you. Nuff love and respect from not so sunny Devon.

Really enjoyable presentation about the history of this monument. I appreciate hearing a proud Scot speaking of your history.

Just to let you know, Bruce, I share every one of your videos with my 15 year old son, and he loves them just as much as I do.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

That is awesome!

@ericthompson3982

Жыл бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours Thought you might appreciate that :-)

Its certainly food for thought. As a National Serviceman in 1955 the thought of running from the Castle to the Monument was not a pleasant one! And it happened.

I'm American and unqualified to speak anything of Scottish history. But I can confidently say that the way you explain things, from instantly engaging the viewer, to laying out complicated nuanced events, step by step, in a way that anyone can follow, is absolutely brilliant. I love learning about all history and will definitely watch more of your videos. You not only draw up the true history of this monument beautifully, but give deep and thoughtful insights into all monuments that few people are aware of on a surface level. A thought provoking true tale told with expert skill. Looking forward to watching more! Subscribed

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

Ah, you're so kind

I've always thought that monuments and statues, are a celebration and a reminder of history. Good or bad.

I just wanted to tell you that my brother isRobert Bruce Collins and I am William Wallace Collins. My father William Collins came from Glasgow. AS did his father Robert Collins. Good work.

Thankyou for actually explaining this properly. I've only really heard Mel Gibsons version. And then a generation of Scots who believe Mel Gibsons version verbatim. Brilliant video.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

I don't think anyone really believes Mel Gibson's version😁

Thank you, Bruce. Will make an effort to go there and climb up the next time I can go. I always thought it was quite an odd design. It doesn't really shout, "Scottish!" or "William Wallace!" I thought those spires at the top looked like stylised flames and thus the whole thing reminded me of a perched torch. And the "Hall of Heroes"? Who knew? Ultimately it's called the "William Wallace Monument" and not the "Hall of some busts of some heroes celebrating the joint nationalist pride of the great British empire and its incorporation of Scotland and oh, also, William Wallace."

What a balanced and concise presentation of the how and why the Monument was built. Thank you for another amazingly educational video of Scottish history!! 😊👍

@tim7052

Жыл бұрын

I've subbed! 👍

Great Video. I climbed that Monument as a Nipper. At the Top I was Terrified to get too close to the Edge. My Dad wasn't impressed. We were on our way to Scapa Flow where Dad was Stationed during WW2. He loved it Up there (as in the Orkney's.) I as a Kid born in London found it Windswept and Rather Nippy even in August..! We Visited the Croft and Crofter M & D stayed with while up there in 1942-44. I Could only just Understand (with help from Dad) what the Old couple were Saying. The Lack of Electricity & Indoor Plumbing was a Shock. We Drove from London to Scapa, on/in Dad's Motorbike with Sidecar (for me) and back over 2 weeks. I remember getting Home Stuffed and Pleased to turn a Light on in the Loo..! Now in Oz, 60 years Older, I have fond if not Faded memories of Bonnie Scotland. Great video. Cheers kim in Oz. 😎 We did it Again a Few years later in a Car with a Heater..! 😎

@Indyghurl

Жыл бұрын

What an adventure

Last time I visited the monument I was 8 months pregnant and got as far as the second level before vertigo set in. You would have laughed if you had seen me trying to get down those winding steps and trying to get passed people with my extremely large belly. Need to visit again and see it properly.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

I felt the same myself Pauline

Hearing Wallace mentioned in the same breath as the British Empire is almost as painful on the ears as Flower of Scotland played minus that all important minor note at the end! Another cracking video Bruce. Wee suggestion: how about a video on Andrew de Moray who arguably played a bigger role at Stirling Bridge than Wallace? His fatal wounding on that day has effectively erased him from Scottish history, and that's a wrong that really needs righted. Plus it'll give you a wee run up to Ormonde Hill to look forward to!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

If you'd clicked the link at the end of the video you would have got one

@allymac1314

Жыл бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours thanks, totally missed that first time round.

@rains_on_leith

Жыл бұрын

Just wait until you find out the surname of the Defence Secretary, dear chap.

@stevied3121

Жыл бұрын

Forget Scotland vs England now though bro. England have bigger hearts for rebellion than what we do. Independence would result in immediate slavery to the nazi EU and WEF. Klaus Schaub would have us bent over and Sturgeon would be clinking glasses with him. It's the GLOBALISTS which are the enemy.

@petesmitt

Жыл бұрын

His son played a very important role in Scottish history, so hardly erased..

Great video and take on a great monument. You can see it from all around Stirling and Falkirk, you can even see it from Wallacetone near Polmont. I'm reminded of the 'death of the artist' theory in literary criticism, and think the meaning and symbolism arise from the beholders. I can't think there are many living in central Scotland, or beyond, who think of it as a monument to Unionism.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

Indeed

@ThatElfTorunn

Жыл бұрын

Never have and never will... this video made me sad on one hand then proud on the other. I'll always view the monument as a tribute to Wallace himself.

Thank you for this. Thank you for the thoughtfulness and the challenge to us to look beyond the obvious. This is truly a wonderful series.

For a second I thought I was listening to a Aoe2 William Wallace campaign dialogue. Damn, the Scottish have the best voices.

I think you covered how I think and feel about the monument. It is Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿. A vast range of emotions from betrayal to joy that encompasses the whole history of the land😊

@neilmckechnie6638

Жыл бұрын

The real question may be; is it the monument that makes you think or feel or is it yourself who makes you think and feel based upon your perception or knowledge? The logical answer may be that in effect the monument is not relevant, that it is you who chooses how to think and feel. If we limit the way we think and feel based upon events that may or may not have happened in the past, is to choose a limiting experience.

@kariannecrysler640

Жыл бұрын

@@neilmckechnie6638 the thoughts on the monument as it’s self, beautiful craftsmanship and design. No matter what it represents, I find it lovely. The stories along with it is where feelings come in, but I considered all we know of the surrounding area from the Stone Age forward and do not limit its explanation, but include the entire story.😁

Once again a first class presentation, I am a Brit, English if you like from the North West UK, I had a customer in Menstrie just around the corner from the Wallace Monument, I used to pass it each time I visited and didn’t know who William Wallace was (shamefully until Brave heart). During the Independence referendum of which I stayed up all night to monitor the progress and results, part of me wanted my Scottish brothers and sisters to be free, however as the night wore on and it looked like at one point that independence may have been grated I was filled with a feeling of emptiness and sadness at the thought of losing Scotland as part of the Uk. We are as British people are a small insignificant nation in modern times and I truly feel as a common man we are better together as brothers and sisters sharing a rich heritage. People make nations politicians divide nations. Did you know that Wales is not represented upon the union flag?

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

Aye, was Wales not just seen as part of England? Without William Wallace, we may have been the same

@henrimacaulay835

Жыл бұрын

You can still call yourself British if you want to after independence. The geography won't change, just the way we are govern ourselves - and I hope Scotland and England will be good neighbours in the future.

@gordontickle1673

Жыл бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours well it does go back to Long Shanks, Wales did want independence but LS put the rebellion down I think it was Llywelyn the last, anyway LS installed his Kin as Prince of Wales and since then Wales has been known as a Principality and not a Kingdom and as such has not qualified as a member of the United Kingdom hence it is not represented upon the Union Flag which is an insult to Wales and its great people.

It makes me sad to watch him walk away, but so happy to see him walk back.

As a member of Clan Donald in America, my heroes of Scotland are buried in Glencoe.

I'm not Scottish but as a Welshman, I love the dual nature of the UK. It's possible for me to feel both British and Welsh. When I visit Scotland it feels as though I'm visiting a close relative I've always been fond of. The history of Wallace has been used as a ball, fought over by two sides who both bring their own biases to the event. I doubt that if any modern person met Wallace that they would recognise him as their hero, nor would he recognise them as his kin.

@robbiemontgomery581

Жыл бұрын

And how that would change if Scotland was independent? We would all still be part of the same land mass.

Excellent and thorough content Bruce, you do a great job. Any chance you could do a video on the Polmadie Martyrs? The grave can be found in the old Kirk graveyard in Cathcart and it's a fascinating piece of Scottish history...

For me,it is Wallace and his legacy of freedom that endures. The various busts inside represent a Scotland I do not recognise or cavort with. It is the common people's monument that can inspire us to carry on believing that tyranny can be defeated at home and abroad.

How Cool! Right on ! Big Hello from the Lamont family USA! Great Stuff! Highly entertaining and informative!

Thank you I’ve learnt a lot from watching this, I do think if they’re gonna use William Wallace they really should’ve thought a bit more about it, after all he did defeat the English, it puts me in mind of all these monuments up and down the UK that they are taken down because of slavery, I wonder if the time will come whem Scotland takes down the Wallace Monument and more because we became independent, just like the Soviet communist statues across Eastern Europe they can only found in museums now, would have to be a very big museum to hold the Wallace memorial, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🤣

@faithlesshound5621

Жыл бұрын

Blowing up the Wallace Monument would be a symbolic castration of the Patriarchy, much more than bringing down Nelson or Dundas.

@tuesdayjam5905

Жыл бұрын

@@faithlesshound5621 Monuments relating to slavery are removed or condemned because of the shame of what they represent. Irrespective of who initially devised the idea and its purpose, William Wallace was and remains a Scottish hero and that is what the Wallace monument popularly represents. You are therefore mistaken in any belief that any damage, removal would be a strike against historical Patriarchy.

I'm proud to be British and I'm proud to have Scottish blood flowing in my veins as well. The people of England and Scotland have made such valuable contributions to civilization and scientific advancement over the centuries that we can be justly proud of our shared history. But of course Wallace was a Scottish hero and should be recognised as such.

@eddieandre-theraven5008

Жыл бұрын

Union pfft. Living in Liverpool, with Scottish Father and Irish Mother. I refuse to except any notion of a Union, of Englishness and don't recognise the tern 'United Kingdom.' If ever questioned by the police I refuse to give a Nationality or ethnic status. My blood is Celt and not British.

@MrKbonez

Жыл бұрын

@@eddieandre-theraven5008 Thats fine, youre not English. Why not just fuck off to Scotland or Ireland then

We have a perfect replica of the William Wallace statue from Abbey Craig overlooking Druid Lake in Baltimore, Maryland, USA. It was erected by the St Andrews Society in 1905 to commemorate the 600th anniversary of Wallace's death.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

8 ай бұрын

Wow

Bruce! Bruce Fraser here again . didn't know about the co opting of a national hero . My visit to the monument in 2014 felt like a pilgrimage to a Holy Site . later that day we stood on the bridge; [ well not the actually Bridge ] but It had to suffice . There I read aloud from the book " Great Scottish battles " recounting the events of that day in 1297 .

I am an American, so I am not emotionally invested in the Scottish/English dichotomy. To me, Scotland is a part of the United Kingdom just as each State is part of the United States of America. But I understand that Scotland, England, and Wales were once separate countries and that bitter and deadly battles were fought over the borders. My ancestors came from the United Kingdom, though, so I have a great deal of interest in your histories. Before now, I was unaware of the sentiments that resulted in the Wallace Monument. I am also aware that the people of Scotland, a lot of them anyway, think of themselves as Scots first and citizens of the United Kingdom second. That is also true of some places in the US. So, having said all that, here's how I view the Wallace Monument. I know very well that the movie Braveheart was terribly inaccurate. Wallace wasn't even Braveheart; that was Robert the Bruce. But I know that every Scot knows the story of Wallace and his victories over the English and celebrates them. So to me, the Wallace Monument is a testimony to that feeling that Scotsmen have regarding their identity. Regardless of the political reality in your country, a Scot is a Scot first and Wallace is a hero for kicking English ass. This was a great video, as they all are on this channel. It talked of things that I, as an outsider, was not aware. I am grateful for that. It has been a lifelong dream to visit Scotland. Unfortunately I am no longer young and not in the best of health. A trip to Scotland may never become a reality for me. But I have this KZread channel as a substitute. So keep up the good work, folks. You have a big fan in the USA!

@jannaparks6132

Жыл бұрын

Honey! Do whatever it takes to go…you will NOT be sorry. Southern Indiana girl here. My oldest son - USAF - was living in Harrogate (North Yorkshire, England) for 3 years so I stayed with them for 2 different stints and fanned out to visit places…EDINBURGH was my absolute favorite (the only place in Scotland I got to - 2x). My favorite place on the planet? Sitting in the dome of the West Baden, Indiana hotel. (Yes, I’m a simple girl!). Second favorite? EDINBURGH, SCOTLAND!

Bruce you always present a point of view which raises important questions, disecting myth and asking really interesting questions, I really appreciate your videos We recently travelled to Scotland with our 1 year old half Scottish granddaughter, She loved Stirling castle, at least the ice cream. It was covered in one earlier video and yes really worth the visit, impressive. The Wallace monument was visible in the distance from a window in Stirling castle, from a distance it stands as a seemingly lonely and rather gloomy dark tower, only one person actually had any idea what the tower was but now thanks to you , I know! keep up the good work, I look forward to your next episode.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

Thank YOU Brian

@BarryHWhite

Жыл бұрын

I take it Sir that outside of Scotland, the monument isn't too well known ?. And thanks for U and Ur wee granddaughter s visit to Scotland.

@georgebishop4941

Жыл бұрын

@@BarryHWhite correct

As a strathclyde scot I don’t appreciate English people appropriating my culture to fit their imperialist narrative but I enjoyed your video none the less keep it up!

Say it ain't so, Bruce! haha.. Great stuff, yet again and very thoughtful. I'll say 100 percent Scotland!

Fascinating history lesson. I would have never thought of William Wallace as a patriot of the English Empire. Scotland forever.

As a fellow student of Scottish history, really the only way I can square the idea that Wallace contributes to Unionism is that without Wallace's uprising, it's quite reasonable to assume Bruce would have fallen to Edwards army, and so England would have formed, by force, a "union" some hundreds of years before it really happened. Without an independent Scotland, neither England nor Scotland would have had the constant border pressure that led to experienced, veteran crack troops that later won wars for The Empire

@raymondhaskin9449

Жыл бұрын

Britain may not have been able to settle and secure it’s Ulster territory either. Since the settlers who secured the region and beat the Irish were mostly Anglo-Scottish border folk - made expert guerrilla fighters thanks to centuries of warfare on the borders.

@luciusesox1luckysox570

Жыл бұрын

Err, guys.. I think you are slightly forgetting the wars with the French and God knows who else the English have fought with over the years. For sure Scottish and Irish troops are excellent in their own right but to think that the English soldiers abilities in defeating foes is mainly down to their experience gained fighting the Scottish and Irish is, fanciful, to say the least. It is also a classic mistake to underestimate one's foe and whatever you say about the English as a whole if you do not respect them you are foolish.

@georgebishop4941

Жыл бұрын

Not really. A Union with Scotland was not well received by the English in the early 1700's let alone then. Many scots forget that, whatever Scotlands achievements, the Scottish Enlightenment was responsible for 99% of them and THAT only happened much later.

@raymondhaskin9449

Жыл бұрын

@@luciusesox1luckysox570 Those campaigns on the continent killed off our best troops. But, the constant tug of war on the borders had the opposite effect. A thousand years of forever-war created an entire race of people born fighting. These people were caught between two colliding kingdoms and vicious clan feuds amongst each other. These people became the spearhead settlers and fighters of British expansion. Penetrating into the furtherest reaches of the wilderness, particularly in North America. David Hacket Fischer names these people as “the borderers” in his 1987 book. American vocabulary calls them “Scotch-irish”. But a truer name, by which they still call themselves, is the “Ulster Scots”.

The way you tell a story is brilliant. You ought to be the new Attenborough. Give the BBC a call and tell them you're available for the next Blue Planet.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

Ah, you're too kind

Outstanding work. Really appreciate your research and your brilliant story delivery. To share a pint with you would be a pleasing education. Thank you for sharing Sir and Rock On !

You can be proud of being Scottish and British, just as you can be proud of being English and British, Welsh and British, Irish and British, etc. So you can be proud of Scottish heroes or English heroes, etc, and still be proud of being British. What's the problem? Do we have to choose?

Thanks for producing yet another video that prompts deep thought. You’ve given me excellent questions to ponder. How does a nation’s self-perception evolve over time? How does that change the way we interpret national symbols?

@neilmckechnie6638

Жыл бұрын

Strictly speaking a Nation cannot have a perception but I think you mean that people's perception may change over time. It is a truism that history is written by the winner of wars. This is obvious when you think about it but an important and profound learning data point, which gives perspective to allow us to analyse information in a balanced way. We should always adopt a critical thinking mindset and not be tempted into believing the Spoon-fed narrative, which is often just State-propaganda for the masses. There are two kinds of truth; Universal Truths that never change (They are fundamental) and Personal Truths, which is where perception comes in. We all should access as many and varied information sources as possible, if we are interested in learning the truth. As far as Wallace's Monument is concerned, just because the intention with which a monument was built does not set in stone (Pardon the pun) what it means to the people in their hearts. William Wallace was by all accounts a man of principle, concerned with right and wrong, oppression and abuse of power. If this is considered good enough to build a monument to then that is as good a reason as any. His country and political beliefs are secondary to this and to symbolise him as part of a nationalistic gingoistic fervour is an easy trap to fall into as it may be used to stir up feelings of division and hate. Fundamentally, we do not need history to define how we think, feel and act and it is extremely limiting to think in those terms, unless one wants to manifest such as an intention. We define our own future based on the quality of our thoughts and it may be the case that William Wallace knew this.

Bruce, this video was excellent like all of your content. Hearing it made me mad as billio. I'm just pure raging here. Bring on the day we are independent, finally.

Nice yin Bruce, once again you've giving me loads to chew over.. Fantastic platform you've given us Scots. ❤️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

What a beautifully scripted and put together production. Thank you very much!

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@euansmith3699

Жыл бұрын

@@ScotlandHistoryTours I was impressed by the "No no no" delivered to camera on the hike to the top of the hill. It seems so natural, and yet is the result of planning and forethought. You're no bad at this.

Bruce is this a brilliant video, informative and thought-provoking. I have no idea why you are not on mainstream media (OK I do and its not unrelated to the content of this video) Keep up the good work really appreciate it

Mary Slessor was an ancestor of mine, her full name was Mary Slessor Mitchell, and she first went to Calabar with her cousin Robert Mitchell Beedie, I didn't realise she was in the monument when I visited a couple of years back

Great video and congratulations to all the youtubers who managed to stop themselves from typing the 'Braveheart historically inaccurate' comments.

It is funny that thinking (a difficult exercise) back to my schooling in Canada, in history, that William Wallace was a minor character attached to Robert the Bruce. It wasn't till the Mel GIBSON film that his stories and histories became a leading figure in Scottish history and independence. Since Wallace is now more myth than man it is easy to see how the myth has been shaped and used to promote whatever needs a symbol to help raise the profile of whatever group wants promoted. The real mans wants and motivations aren't, really considered or important to how the myth can be used.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

He may have been a minor figure in Canada, but not here

@joewilliams4386

Жыл бұрын

the bruce willis thing is a total myth and a injustice to everyone in the uk.

@eviehanlon1445

Жыл бұрын

Canada was a colony Jim, as an Australian I can tell you that our education system was also designed to downplay the indigenous people of any country including our own. I think it's a bit insulting to insinuate Wallace is anything like a myth, especially on a Scottish site.

@jimross7648

Жыл бұрын

@@eviehanlon1445 I didn't mean that Wallace was a myth, but the real flesh and blood man has been obscured by the myth of a Wallace who has been bent and shaped by those telling stories about him.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

7 ай бұрын

@jimross7648 Come to one of my live shows in Canada in 2024. Shows in Halifax, Annapolis, New Glasgow, Moncton, Montreal, Perth , Ottawa, Toronto, Fergus, Seaforth, Calgary, Vancouver and Victoria. Most of the details are here. www.brucefummey.co.uk/shows.aspx

My family is native of Scotland as far back as can be traced . I was born in England and love my English family but hate it's leaders , always have , Wallace's legacy was given to all of us and it will live forever , independence and "freedom" . My family fought in most of the Scottish battles right through history , laying down records into the Scottish history books because of achievements in battle , and also including helping Bonnie prince Charlie to escape evil england. I am proud not just of my families courageous brave fighting but of all true Scottish descendants who have stood their ground over the centuries to the evil of the English . Long live Scotland and all of its heroes

@Dr.Pepperdave

Жыл бұрын

A Proud History!

@richbob9155

Жыл бұрын

If you are so proud of Scotland, maybe do some research on the subject. William Wallace never once fought for freedom, nor did he ever claim to. You are getting your history from Hollywood and its embarrassing to me as an actual scot living here. Braveheart is 100% fiction and William Wallace was a noble on horseback with expensive armour and a retinue. He did not even speak the same language as the peasantry and was of Norman French decent. The idea of freedom like in the film did not even exist back then, nor was nationalism even invented yet. Nobody fought for their country back then, only their lord. The idea of being Scottish or English was not even in their minds ffs! I really wish people would do some research and not spread crap from Hollywood. Its offensive to Scottish people. We have a very proud history, we don't need idiots spreading crap from Braveheart like it is not fiction. p.s. "the evil English", what the hell is wrong with you? The English were no more evil than the Scottish. I cant stand your stupidity.

That was quite an eye opener. Thank you.

Im on the bus from Dundee to Glasgow just now and the scenery is beautiful.

@ScotlandHistoryTours

Жыл бұрын

Of course

Wallace takes the glory while Moray still remains unknown , I have no time for Wallace or Bruce as cold blooded and murderous as their English counterparts , Nationalism is a stain upon this world that has caused more death and suffering than anything else , The Union was the best thing to happen to Scotland/England but now we have even more nationalists waiting to tear it apart and for what?To get their name in the history books. More than ever we should pull together as one country we are not the Scots and English from 500 years ago we share this island lets not tear it apart for the sake of national pride. I love your channel and the way you present it and I understand your pride in your nation lets just say I do see it differently than you do.

@baldy3405

Жыл бұрын

Same could be said about the British empire was a stain on the world and caused so much suffering on the people it ruled. You could say the the notion of Britishness is nationalist as it about one’s national identity is it not.

@SuziQ499

Жыл бұрын

@@baldy3405 I agree with you to a certain extent but in Truth their were plenty of countries who practiced colonialism even America the land of liberty dabbled in it , Just because the British were the best at it and had the biggest empire does not excuse these other countries. PS Scotland also dabbled in colonialism but their colonies failed what if they had succeeded?.

@baldy3405

Жыл бұрын

@@SuziQ499 sign of the times back then, however if u look at now, the rise in British/ English nationalism (right wing) has jumped considerably. Examples is brexit. Most reason why the north England voted for this squarely a race/culture thing. Jesus Labour Party is destroying it identity if favour of trying to get these votes lost to farage and lavatories. England needs to get back it’s identity however it’s going down the wrong rd towards an extreme right wing ideology’s. Scotland has mostly been a socialist thinking country, that’s why the snp have become the biggest party in Scotland because, labour lost its way up here becoming more like the lavatories, to suit getting votes down south.

@johnmelvin4604

Жыл бұрын

So when a nation is brutally attacked by another, they sit back and let their people be murdered, their women raped, because nations are bad. I can bet you're a Brit nationalist who would fight for your Westminster buddies. Fun fact, in WW1 Scotland, with a population that was 10% of the UK population had 20% of the casualties. In WW2 it was 25% of UK casualties. Brilliant union eh? Maybe if you take your orange blinker off and you'll see a bit better,, is that the problem?

@SuziQ499

Жыл бұрын

@@johnmelvin4604 Their are also 1 million Scots working in England , More government money is spent per head on the people of Scotland than anywhere else in the UK and the Scottish parliament has unparalleled autonomy to make its own decisions the rise in English nationalism is a direct result of all this favouritism the Scots enjoy. And no I have no links to the above mentioned barmy organization.

Awesome!!! I haven’t told you before but Thank you!!! I had my leg amputated last year and your videos are some of my favorite to watch while I’m in hospital. You do great work & your humor is unmatched !!! Thanks again Bruce.

Thank you for the up date ......always good to get great history info keep it up 👍

Stirling born & bread! 🤙🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@jackdubz4247

Жыл бұрын

Same.

Sooner Scotland starts building a country more representative of our electorate the better, independence for Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Fabulous video again, Bruce. The British have been masters of spin for centuries and to frame Wallace as a symbol of the empire is ridiculous 😂😂 Perhaps next year Scots begin a new chapter reminiscent of the ideas that Wallace and co espoused and less like Victorian imperialists.

@faithlesshound5621

Жыл бұрын

Imperial powers have managed to co-opt the minorities of conquered nations into suppressing the others for centuries, perhaps millennia. The British had a doctrine of "martial races" in India: selected groups of illiterate highlanders would be used to keep down the plainsmen of distant provinces. The Scots were part of that larger project. France did that with the Harkis of Algeria and the Montagnards of Indo-China. The latter transferred their allegiance to the USA. The same thing goes on in Afghanistan. Perhaps also in today's Chinese Empire? Ideologies are dangerous because they cut across regional and sectarian identities. Communism does that in India. Wahhabism in the Muslim world.

I love the hike you're taking us all on! the forests there seem just bustling with utter green and the art! omg! trying to imagine the logistics of planting the camera and redoing the walk every time.

@ThePc-DjHub

Жыл бұрын

It's not that great in person and the top of the monument is pretty small

I now understand more about Scottish history beautiful country should become its own sovereign state.

@mariaasimon3117

Жыл бұрын

Scottish men are so good looking 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

The Monument, for me, represents the resolute and rugged character of Scotland. Modern multicultural ideals shouldn't try to erase history because it feel under represented. Could it not be argued that the white victorians in the hall of hero's help usher in the multicultural melting pot that we live in today?

@BOOOOOOOONE

Жыл бұрын

What the ever-loving fuck are you on about?

Wonderful educational video and l think the comment regarding the forgotten heros of Red Clydeside was very poignant 👍 A forgotten time in history most peeps are not even aware of ☹️

as an Englishman who's mother is from Stirling and who's been visiting the area and the Wallace monument for the last 45 years whenever I visit or look at the Wallace monument it always fills me with pride of what Wallace overcame and achieved ,daft I know but Wallace was a hero of the people in my eyes and weather your English like me or Scottish like yourself all of us can feel some sort of way in what people can achieve when they work together ,we really need more Wallaces and Bruces in the world right now ,ps on a side note where was the Paton you mentioned from ?my mothers maiden name is Paton and although I never met my Scottish grandad from what my gran and mum told me he was a monumental stone mason

@neilmckechnie6638

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget that Robert De Bruce was apparently from Norman Nobility.