For those who think putting a spacer in between the 5/8" attachments for "future proofing" a 1' rack don't. It takes longer and just frustrating to align things. Time and getting quality work done are priorities. Source: someone who did that. 🤣 Edit: Thank you Kurt for this video. Not sure if you've already made one but a video on garage gym considerations, mat placement, section for plywood, hanging bags, storage and scalability would be nice.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

If I could just go back and kick my own ass! Haha. Very true. I wish I had stuck with 1” all along

Great video! Great arguments!

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

Thank you! Thanks for watching.

100% agree. I appreciated the westside hole spacing when I had the R-3, but now that I am in the Monster line I don't miss it at all. I probably only bench 250 when I'm super motivated.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. Here is to being super motivated! 🍻

This is all just based off of marketing. 1 inch holes are marketed as the superior product, but there's no reason 5/8 inch attachments have to be lower quality. There's no reason 5/8 inch racks have lower end racks other than the fact that these companies would like to upsell you a 1-inch rack. Strength is largely just a product of how much metal is engaged. A 5/8 inch pin will be weaker, but it's sitting in a rack with much more steel around it

@TheKurtlocker

5 ай бұрын

I’m not making a case for 5/8” being weaker as far as J cups and a rack. There are some attachments that are weaker such as a roller attachment which is why 5/8” rollers have to come with an instead of just a nut to thread on the end. Because they are viewed as the top of the line, I typically recommend folks just go 1” so they don’t end up with a bunch of unusable attachments when/if they upgrade.

lot of good points here. 5/8 is probably good enough for just about anyone, you just aren't getting the nicest accessories. You should do a series about rack depth, 43 vs 30, 4 post vs 6 post, Traditional 6 post vs batwing 6 post.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

Saved this idea. Definitely a great one as I regret some of my past choices

Great video. My next rack will be 1" for sure. Can't wait to have it.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

It’ll be great! 1” all the way and it’ll look awesome in your new space

@Eccles_basement_gym

8 ай бұрын

@@TheKurtlocker trying to think of some cool custom stuff for black widow to do to showcase at HGC with it.

I agree with pretty much all of your points Kurt. I have never seen an advantage with the WS hole spacing on my PR-4k and since it is the older version with 6" hole spacing on the sides, it screws up usability for certain accessories like the leg roller. There are also limited options for straight through leg rollers in the 5/8" size, as you've noted. Good topic and video man.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

Thanks man!

Excellent video man

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

Thank you. What’s your take? 5/8” or 1”?

@BespokeandBougieReviews

8 ай бұрын

1" no question, Higher quality attachemnts and future proofing if nothing else.@@TheKurtlocker

Great video! Thank you for always putting out informative videos. I think the one thing about 5/8" + west side spacing does better than 1" is adjusting safeties. You can get the height to be at least 1" more precise. This is good for things like rack pulls since you can do progressive RoM a little more gradual, dropping the safeties 1" instead of having to drop them 2". Aside from that, I think it doesn't make too much of a difference. I see most companies make options for both these days, thankfully! I wish I could have gotten a 1" but it wasn't easy to acquire one in Canada back in early pandemic days. I actually worked really hard to source one in Canada and got the worst of both worlds: 5/8" without westside spacing! I was happy to source it to a random guy here in Canada (gaine fitness), but I wish I could have gotten 1" instead. The nice thing, is I got the same spacings on the side as the front. Win/lose

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

Gotta look at the silver lining. So do you ever stare at your rack and wonder how much effort it would take with a 1 1/16” drill bit and a drill press to make it better?

I am reallt happy I went 5/8ths for Westside Spacing in bench, I lift early and alone and maxing out I feel safe with full ROM. I couldn't go Rogue because our basement ceiling height, so REP 4000 series. I use Irwin Fitness Monos which only come in 5/8ths so it was a blessing in disguise. I def see all your points, just what works for me!

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

Fair enough. I used to think it would be a thing for me at maximal weight as well, but it just isn’t. Thanks for watching!

Great video! I think you brought up points that a lot of folks gloss over when making this decision. When I was buying my Rogue rack there was a quirk in pricing at the time such that a 6-post Monster was cheaper than a 6-post Monster Lite when you choosing a color other than black. That made the choice even easier for me.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

That is a fluke from god! Awesome steal man. Thanks for watching!

Big Kurt! I remember the blue rack

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

That blue was just awesome. But I like my ARC rack better.

I have the 5/8 RML-3. I like the Westside hole spacing. It might be overrated but I do like that feature, especially when I’m benching heavy and I dial it in so I don’t touch with the bar yet still have room not to get crushed. I haven’t had 1 inch holes so I can’t speak to those. Thanks for the video. Interesting topic!

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

For maximal lifts there is a case to be made, I just find it overrated. Make the switch to team 1” holes!

I use my rack for squatting, benching, pullups, and plate storage - and I don't need versatility beyond that, but if you're an attachment junkie, definitely you're better off getting a rack with 1" holes, I fully agree. I like how Eleiko has done their hole spacing on the Prestera line: 5/8" spaced 1" apart through the entire upright (not just the bench area) and EVERY hole is numbered, so you never have things misaligned. If you use the gliding attachments that go up and down the rack with a pop pin, it's extremely quick and convenient to change setups.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

That’s a fair point. If you are dedicated to just that list of stuff, the 5/8” will do you just fine. Thanks for watching homie

100% agree. I have RML, but I would swap it out in a heartbeat if I could afford it. Still I have to appreciate what I have as not everyone is lucky enough to have a four post rack in their home, be it an RML or something else. It will get the job done and I can work hard in that rack and earn the upgrade in a couple of years.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

Having gratitude is something that I should have touched on. An excellent point for sure. I’m blessed

As always, good video. I agree with all of this. I have a rogue monster lite. If i were to do it all over again I'd get 1" holes. I'm way to invested already in 5/8'' and would lose out trying to sell this and re-buy everything in 1''. Westside hole spacing IS a gimmick I agree. The leg roller attachment you brought up is huge. I have to constantly re-adjust things to have room to flip it down to secure it. For anyone watching this or seeing this, do what Kurt says and just pay the extra coin to go 1''.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

I remember clearly switching to 1” holes was a huge financial loss but for what I do, worth it.

@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans

4 ай бұрын

You could switch to a 1" rack and use adapters for the attachments. I'm considering this because i bought pr4000 uprights and accessories because they were cheaper at the time, but the setup i have envisioned now would require pr5000 uprights due to space.

@TheKurtlocker

4 ай бұрын

@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans that is another solution

I prefer the 5/8".. Can't get away from that westside spacing for bench. And 2 inch hole spacing everywhere else.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

I can’t blame people that are accustomed to it at all but still find the lack of easy and innovative attachments annoying

If you buy into the whole notion of 3x3 racks as being adult erector sets, the fact that there’s 2” spaced holes on all 4 sides makes it far more feasible to design very esoteric rack layouts and configurations that aren’t just simple a simple box. Wings to the sides, isolated posts for things like the Bulletproof Isolator, shelving for dbs or plates, etc etc. the ability to build out in any direction from every upright is massive.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

We are on the same page here. I really want to push my rack out into a custom designed “cave” type of setup. Maybe a new Surplus Rack if I can swing it

Good points, here is one other consideration for 5/8th inch For the Isolator, west side hole spacing is useful for adjusting movements like preacher curls and calf raises. At least for me 2 inch jumps can make getting into position or the start of the movement awkward Rogue really messed up the ML Trolley arms V1 and V2. Honestly trolley arms are more of a statement piece until some company comes out with fully articulating with custom colors that isn’t going to be close to $2k with 3rd party mods

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

Fair-ish point, but also consider that the WS spacing is only on the front and back and as you’ll see in my review of the isolator, it’s better from side to side

We have only recently got 1 inch holes with 3x3 uprights in Australia. I did have a rack that mimicked the RML. Same thing. I thought Westside hole spaces were bad ass. Until I realised my j cup position was the space above where the Westside spacing finished 😅

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

I guess I just never was a fan of that spacing. Be an early 1” hole adopter!

I dont have any issues with 5/8th or 1 inch but both comes with pros and cons. I would honestly like to own both depending what attachment I need. Everyone comes in different sizes so all holes sizes matter 😂. I own a rogue hr2 half rack with a custom rogue weight stack built in. It does everything I need specifically gor training. The 5/8 holes are more than enough for the 99% average joe and the 1inch is more for the intermediate to advanced hom gym gurus imo. You still get the same work done whether its 5/8 or 1inch. If need a sorinex bulldog attachment or bullet proof isolator then I would go 1inch because im applying my own body weight in that attachment but I would just get a single 1inch hole upfront bolted to wall studs for that purpose so no need for another power rack. I do like the options of having multi holes for westside spacing and the cost effectiveness for just training the big 3 plus more. nothing is future proof imo because the 1.25inch hole maybe the next niche size we dont really need.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

1.25 would be nuts. Almost as nuts as 4x3” racks. Do you think that 4x3 will ever become more prevalent?

@MetalsForBrunch

8 ай бұрын

​@@TheKurtlocker its going be 4 x 4 for racks 😂

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

@MetalsForBrunch why stop there!? 4x5”, 5 gauge steel with 1 3/16” holes that are 1 13/16” on center with old school rivets that the Empire State Building was built with.

@MetalsForBrunch

8 ай бұрын

@@TheKurtlocker lol

As an old guy in and out of gyms for 30+ years, there were no real 1" racks in any (non pro level/college/etc) in any gym that normal people went to. heck even by late aughts it was still mostly 2x3's with smaller holes (no idea what size but it wasn't 1") 1000's of people used those day in and out. Heck go look at 70's bodybuilders videos those aren't 1" holes. Equipment today at all levels is massively overbuilt and way better than at any time. for 90% of people, 5/8th is just fine and significantly cheaper including all the attachments. more work, less glitz. But heck buy what you want.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

That’s a fair point. I’d argue that the big box gyms buy those because they’re less expensive however in the home gym setting you more than likely are shopping for something that offers higher quality and versatile attachments which is why I find 1” holes to be best for most home gym users.

I’m curious on your take for the 1” lines on inline vs staggered on the uprights

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

Offset and staggered are two words that describe something I plane a ton of value in

One thing about Westside, it's totally possible to do it on a 1" 3x3 rack. I did it on mine (DIY 3x3 metal one, not a wood thing). I just don't understand why they don't do it?! Just do the freaking holes closer to each other without making it too thin and it will hold! 11ga is quite sturdy. I do prefer Westside spacing, I'm very short and sometimes I would feel more comfortable in the bench. But it works without it...! The 1" pin is indeed better, I do most of my gym stuff and with 1" I just put a huge pin and call it a day. With a 5/8... That would require more stuff and more work. But yeah, if you're just lifting and looking for little to no attachments on your setup, the 5/8 is good enough. And let's face it, most Powerrack are overkill and will last a lifetime. The more I invest in my gym, the more I like "simple" stuff. Again good content!! Keep on!

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

I would love to see a 3x3, 1” holes with closer hole spacing. I still find it overrated in general, but would love to see it for sure. If you have IG, can you DM me a photo?

@Aquefaque

8 ай бұрын

@@TheKurtlocker just sent you a DM ! ;)

Whats your take on Nike getting into the strength game? Their racks are 5/8th inch, imparted and my opinion is they are rebranded REP PR 4000s. Im am a 5/8th guy with post envy😂

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

I’d be willing to bet they are not at the same quality as REP but we’ll see how that goes. Nike getting into the game may bring people into the home gym market we haven’t seen yet. Trying hard not to judge, but I hope that these smaller businesses that paved the way in the home gym market continue to get the love they deserve

@brianhopkins5251

8 ай бұрын

Nike is all marketing and glitz with no innovation and massively overpriced. has been for 40 years. I doubt that changes.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

@brianhopkins5251 we’ll see what happens but I’m inclined to agree with you

Is there a 3x3 1" rack that comes in 24" depth?

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

You can order one at Surplus Strength or the Rogue Fitness: Rogue RM-390F Flat Foot Monster

A lot of 3rd-party attachments also only come out for 1". At least initially. Though I do have an edge case. The Rogue RML-390F vs RM-390F (flat foot racks). The Monster Lite has 30" depth while the Monster has 24" depth. Lite is better IMHO. But really they should just have different names as they aren't the same.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

Is the depth the primary reason for that? If you could get a flat footed rack with a 30” depth, would it change your mind?

@GavinBrown

8 ай бұрын

@@TheKurtlocker The 30" depth was the deciding factor for me yes. Would I choose a Monster 30" if it existed? Yes, but with some caveats. The RML is perfect for me, no complaints, no regrets. Ideally they would change the RM strap safeties to be like those on the RML and attach on/off like a J-Cup. And finally, I would love to try it first just to see how the strap safeties align to my body when benching. I "know" on the RML they are perfect. I'm sure it's fine, just would be great to try first!

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

@GavinBrown the strap safeties from straydog strength are an awesome design as well for 1” racks. I personally like it a lot more than Rogue’s

@GavinBrown

8 ай бұрын

@@TheKurtlocker Cheers for the advice. Hitch pin is better than not, but not as nice as being able to move both sides at the same time like the J-Cup style. One hand each. Minor but handy [no pun intended]. Also, another example of no 5/8" version limiting choices 😞Time to buy that 1" rack 🙂

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

@GavinBrown do it, do it!

I learned an annoying factoid about 5/8 and 1 inch when asking Titan for related specs on their X3 lever arms (trying to make absolutely sure they'd fit a PR-4000 before ordering). They threw me a curve-ball advising (effectively) should be good with near any metric 3x3 uprights with 11/16 diameter holes. "What? Not 5/8, then how do they fit the X3 rack,?"" Oh, yeah, duh, that makes sense. Have fun trying to fit a 5/8 pin in a 5/8 hole. Are attachments either 5/8 or 1 inch? Yes. Do the racks have 5/8 or 1 inch bolts? Yes. (or rounded to metric). Do they have 5/8 or 1 inch holes? No, they're bigger. Is Westside hole spacing 1 inch? Yes, meant for 5/8 hardware. Gym gods - could you just let me forget all that and give me a do over with a Henny strap, instead?

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

Bahahahaha. I can feel your frustration.

I don't really care too much. I love my very basic Rogue R3 welded.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

That’s an awesome rack and the welded just makes it stronger and looks cleaner. Thanks for watching!

I know, man, but I'm in too deep with the 5/8". So I make it work.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

I’m feel ya. Been there.

I sold a 5/8” Rogue rack to get a Rep Fitness Ares, but the replacement rack has 1” holes. I don’t care if my J-cups are 1” lower than ideal.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

It really doesn’t make a difference. Thats a nice trade-up if you ask me.

@DavidLee-cw6ci

8 ай бұрын

It needs a difference in safeties. You really want to dial in the height of those. If it's a bit too high then you'll hit them when benching. Too low and well, it's not acting that well as a safety anymore.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

@DavidLee-cw6ci I’ve never been in a position where I couldn’t get the safeties to sit where I need them, but that could be my anthropometry

@DavidLee-cw6ci

8 ай бұрын

@@TheKurtlocker yeah I think that's exactly it. That's a 50/50 chance it's going to matter to you or not.

@markhalstead2386

8 ай бұрын

@@DavidLee-cw6ci I use strap safeties, so it is easy to get them at the right height with or without Westside spacing.

While the racks aren't all that different in price, the attachments are massively cheaper in 5/8th.

@TheKurtlocker

8 ай бұрын

Also true but they tend to be less refined.