What do you think is the future of the mountain bike drivetrain?

@MTBrusty6467

2 ай бұрын

Doest really matter where drivetrains will go. When the fad hits all the manufactures will buy into it and we all will have it eventually like all others. The same as with 27.5 or 29 wheels, the decision will be decided for us.

@feedbackzaloop

2 ай бұрын

Things are definetely moving in favor of gearboxes and mid-drive Ebikes with integrated gearbox unit, especially gravity scene. The derailleur will never die in XC though. More interesting, how big of a devide becomes between what is an enduro and downcowntry now, because you clearly can't have all this tech on a gradual spectrum. Will trail bike seize to exist?😱

@gogovitch66

2 ай бұрын

I'll go with whatever makes my bike more silent ;-)

@Cassie_MTB

2 ай бұрын

​@@gogovitch66Test a Pinion bike with a Belt... You won't hear anything 👍

@yard2380

2 ай бұрын

I ride Pinion gearbox bikes since 2012. Currently on my 4th Nicolai with this system. For the (quite simple and flat and boring) riding I do, this is perfect. No maintenance, no chain, no noise. That said: on average I loose around 11 watts in the box. So that might be a consideration, weight is another one, the entire system will add between 800 and 1200 grams over "normal" solutions. As I'm mainly out to enjoy nature, and not to set any performance records, that is fine for me. More competitive riders (XC especially) will probably reconsider and stick with a derailleur.

I ride a Nicolai with Pinion and Gates Belt drive since August last year. It's such an amazing system... Perfect shifting, even while standing still and 12 gears at once. 600% gear range, virtually no maintenance (I'm 1800km in with NO maintenance at all), a much lighter and playful rear end and the weight centered in the bike. I didn't want to go back to the Chain and Derailleur type bike...

@elmomos

2 ай бұрын

What about drag and overall weight?

@aliancemd

2 ай бұрын

Does Nicolai enjoy it?

@Cassie_MTB

2 ай бұрын

​@@elmomosI didn't feel much more drag than with a Chain/derailleur. I've seen a test where the drag is measured, and the Belt has a different drag curve, in high power, the losses were a bit lower, only on low power, the drag was a bit higher than chain. The feeling is a bit weird at the start, but I got used to it after a few minutes. My Bike weights about 14,7kg, but the frame itself is very heavy, even in the Derailleur type.

@exothermal.sprocket

Ай бұрын

Inefficiencies with gearbox and belt systems seem to be the most favorite highlight from mech users. It's like people complaining about buying a bigger, better lawnmower at year 1 which lasts 20 years and cuts the grass better, than dealing with buying 3 crappy lawnmowers in the same timeframe that all break down, don't cut the grass all that well, and require a ton of maintenance, but are lighter and smaller mowers.

Regarding drivetrains, I've been running a Zerode Taniwha Trail 445 with the pinion C1.9XR and gates belt drive. Fantastic kit. Takes a bit of getting used to, but I don't have to worry about ripping off rear mechs. And it's deadly quiet 🤘

@janvahalec4386

2 ай бұрын

I would liek to test it for sure. It is great that full sus belt driven bike exists!

@olik136

2 ай бұрын

I am not against other drivetrains if they work well- but I also have damaged my rear mech a single time in my entire life (bent it with a brench I rode over) so most of the alternatives are solving problems I don't have

@parapunter

2 ай бұрын

@@olik136 That's not my experience. I've destroyed plenty of derailleurs and ripped wheels apart with them. Even when they're intact they generally get knocked out of adjustment within a couple of weeks. Things have only got worse with 1x mechs that hang lower than rear mechs for 3x drivetrains.

I bought a Priority 600x with the Pinion gear box and Gates belt drive. I know I am locked in but I love it. Durability and low maintenance are important and I think these components accomplish that. Small loss in efficiency perhaps, but not enough to make a difference for me.

7:58 yes, i'm using TPU tube for both MTB and road. Improves rolling resistance by a lot. It's hard to patch tho. Never going back to regular inner tubes ever.

@johndef5075

Ай бұрын

Tried them on road and mtb. Both got flats and their own patches didnt work. Back to tubes on road and went tubeless on mtb which so far is awesome.

Loved my 2010 Norco shore with Hammerschmidt was so fast and made you always ready for a quick climb or ladder bridge and then again for downhill section. Nothing is as fast to change ratio quickly. That I know of. Bring it back !!!!!!! Hahaha

@LaurentiusTriarius

2 ай бұрын

I have a 2012 norco aurum it's exactly how I would describe it, it switches direction like nothing else...

Your thumbnail is HILARIOUS! Showing a totally non-functional hairbrained idea that went NOWHERE to replace the tried and true cog & chain drivetrain that has survived an over 100 year test of time? Comedians.

I’m digging the new Conti TPU Inner Tubes! I really need this for my long distance bikepacking and biketouring trip! Let’s go! 🔥🔥🔥

Obviously Campagnolo released the first 13 speed drivetrain, Ekar is the name. Mostly used on gravel bikes (i.e. like mountain bikes but better because they're based on road geometry).

ZZYZX now exist as a components subbrand of Corratec. The fork in question predates their alliance though...

I use the Tubolito in my tyres in my ebike. Super light & stronger than the heavy conventional inners.

Ooo the LTS. I had a '92 team issue LTS-3 until it developed cracks in the aluminum. Now I have a (fully functional) thermoplastic carbon GT LTS, again team issue. It's beautiful.

@johndef5075

Ай бұрын

92 was the RTS. I had one. LTS came out in 95.

The gearing thing is like the start of automobiles, where different manufacturers had different solutions to all aspects... Gears brakes accelerators... Eventually they all settled on the current pedal placements and gearing control solutions (brake middle, clutch/gear control left, acceleratir right)

@einundsiebenziger5488

2 ай бұрын

... gears,* brakes,* accelerators.*

4:07 I saw a Canyon prototype, it was a XC full suspension bike. But I've not seen an enduro prototype yet. I doubt this will be ready anytime soon. Probably never.

Carry a tubalito and a pump in case of a flat. I carry a little strap on pouch on the top tube, and the tube saves a lot of room for other items.

@einundsiebenziger5488

2 ай бұрын

Tubolito*

The main things I want in my gear selection are reliability and consistency. I don't care where they put the weight if it improves on that over current convention. I am tired of fiddling with it!!!

"Looked at stuff, doing other stuff..." was golden 🤣

Been running Pirelli smartubes for the past year and a half or so, they are super light compared to tubes or sealant. Just be careful they aint stuck under the beed when fitting though, gutting when they cost so much 😂

I have TPU on my road bike and I kinda like them (although I have had two punctures and am still adapting to fixing these), my MTB is just tubeless.

@johndef5075

Ай бұрын

I cant get the tpu patches to work. Mended a flat. Held air at home fine but lost air while riding. The patch had worked itself loose. Too unreliable. Im going back to tubes.

Hi, in french "Tu es" means "you are" , just in case someone needs to know :)

@LaurentiusTriarius

2 ай бұрын

Au Québec "tu é" 😂

I am pretty sure my next bike will be have a gearbox. I love the idea of minimal maintenance and an extremely quiet bike.

Hammerschmidt was a nice idea. The problem was, it was too expensive, for this small ratio gear extension! And like all these special gearbox bikes, you need a very special frame, Wich only works with that gearboxes.......

I use TPU tubes in my hybrid tyres. I also carry spare TPU tubes in the correct sizes for both my mountain bikes. I use the Tubolito tubes. I also have the advantage that I can use the same tube on Pinkeye if I'm running either s 29er or 650b tear wheel. Ss for gearbox bikes. I haven't really thought about them too much. I have looked at them in the past. At the moment I'll stick with the 12 speed Shimano.

The ceramic-based speed bike’s gearbox looks a little intriguing to me about how the video demonstrates the rotating of the rear cassette connected to the front cassette by the long bar. If this will be used on an MTB aspect, the question in my mind would be “Is it enough for handling different sets of trails and tracks? Be if it’s on the mountain trails, downhill, long distance bikepacking or biketouring, etc?” The things is, ceramic materials have a limited resistance in terms or stress to brittleness and maybe even when subjected to heat (the whole day outside). 🤔

@richdyer2000

2 ай бұрын

it can’t actually work - aside from the lateral forces, the full load being on one tooth, it’s fundamentally impossible to provide linear gear ratios

@MatthewMabborang

2 ай бұрын

@@richdyer2000 that's also true my friend. I'm also concerned about the shifting of gears in technical sections as well as the durability and longevity.

Personally I think a belt and internal hub will be the standard in years to come. It's already the preferred touring setup for those with a basically unlimited budget. The chain and rear derailleur with freewheel / cassette will never die because, what happens when you are half way through a touring adventure, in the middle of a small Indian town? They likely have many options for derailleur, cassette, freewheel etc but they will not have anything else. It will be interesting to see if MTB's go this route too, I am not sure how an internal hub and belt would fare in that terrain.

Thank You ARI..!

@gmbntech 1st 13 speed was Rotor (Andy W, UK)

We already have plenty frames with room for some gearshifting device near the BB. They are called eMTB frames. Remove the motor (and battery) and start experimenting. (oolab?)

Rotor had the first hydraulic-actuated 13-speed drivetrain, but y'all missed Campy Ekar

I've seen TPU tubes before but not from continental. The other brand (from australia I think? don't recall) didn't make 29er tubes in the width I needed and unlike latex or butyl tubes they don't expand so you need a tube specific for your size. You can't play the old game of having the smallest available tube for emergencies and then being able to expand it to your rim size and tire width

A long time ago I thought about a two gear bottom bracket. A chainring on a shaft that contacts bottom bracket. The crank attached to a smaller rod through the middle of outer chainrin shaft. It would either drive chainring as crank rotation or reduced chainring rotation through gears. I had not the money for patents or flashy engineered prototypes. And it was lost in the mist of time.

6:03 how about someone makes a gearbox that fits to the bottom bracket same way some of those mid drive motors mount? like if you can fit a whole motor there that way then why not gear box?

I will be trying TPU tubes on my daily rider soon, might try them on my MTB as well

@gmbntech

2 ай бұрын

Go for it! Let us know the difference

@johndef5075

Ай бұрын

They worked fine til I got punctures. The patches that came with the tube didnt work. They held air at home but riding makes the patch come loose. Happened on road and mtb. Back to tubes on road and now tubeless mtb. Tubeless has been awesome.

My next mountain bike will have the Pinon gearbox, motor combination. I have broken too many derailers on my present bike.

Simple form and function (externally) just seems best. The Pinion-style gearbox with belt drive just seems the most elegant and complete solution than the wild frames, reconfigured derailleurs, greasy chains, and open (to dirt and debris) mechanisms. The only real downsides by comparison seem to be a bit of extra weight and unfamiliar shifting style. There's a load of advantages over traditional mech's otherwise.

I dont think Chris big bear lake pic was taken in 1993, 1998 maybe? The LTS came out in 1995, I didn't have mine until summer 1996 even with a preorder from the store I was working at.

My grandkids will ride my current 1x11 drivetrain. Unless you break it, it will serve you forever. Oh, unless we are talking about pro level racing. Those will chase the latest and greatest.

Shimano was the 1st to release 1x 13 gears.. you mentioned they are working for its patent..

Just another reminder… again. Kashima is not a color, it is a specific coating formula which is patented. You can’t patent colors.

My hobby are repairing watches and what i see in gear shifting and derailers transport from movement in watches

This driveshaft from ceramispeed is, in my opinion, a novelty for a show, with no practical significance. It won't transmit any serious torque. The shaft itself could, but that weird bevel-gear-like thing has no lateral rigidity and would bend away from the drive pinion. And imagine any sand or grit between those interfaces... Crunch!

Not the next big thing but I do believe my next bike will be a Zerode Katipo. Why? My road bike has the Pinion/ Gates set up and I rather enjoy not fussin’ bout the chain. Yes I do notice a small loss in efficiency but for tooling around that bit might not matter much.

Going to reinvent the sprocket this weekend, I'll let you know how it goes.

If there's anything I've learned from buying a I-Spec B shifter is NEVER buy proprietary crap. I switched to Hayes Dominion brakes and they don't interface wtih Spec B. Long story short it was a giant headache and I had to get an aftermarket bar adapter for the shifter and I couldn't get the shifter into a comfortable position because of clearances and I had to grind material off of the shifter and get custom adapter bolts. I only did this because the shifter was 3 months old. All these "new" drivetrains are niche and therefore a headache to get replacement parts for.

my next bike will be just for riding around town, so no real point in a gearbox there, should be up to 500€. however, my next touring bike will definitely have a pinion 1.18 gearbox. i really see a point in that, since it’s low maintenance, unkillable, dirt does not do a thing to it, good shifting bla bla bla, that is a few years away. it is definitely great for a casual user or someone, who wont be constantly changing up their system. for those who do, there isn’t really a point.

Why no mention of Rohloff hubs?? I have ridden the gnarliest of terrain, including jumplines and double blacks for the last 10 years on a Rohloff. Absolutely zero issues.

@GHinWI

2 ай бұрын

Probably because the entire premise of the question related to moving mass from the rear wheel to the bottom bracket area.

I hate re-tuning the shifting every other ride, so any option that makes shifting just work I'm for!

1x13 I think was Rotor they have hydraulic shifters wich I never same I still want a pair of Mr Wolf's hand guards for my xc dh hybrid jamis

I run tubeless on my fatbike but a lot of the guys I ride with run the tubolito tubes because they swap between studded and non studded tires and dont want to mess around with sealant. The weight difference between them and a regular butyl fat bike tube is insane

@FIGHTTHECABLE

2 ай бұрын

Tubeless does not mean you need sealant. But it does make thing easier. I can ride without sealant most of the time, cause the tyre is so durable.

Is there any news on that 13s shimano gearbox? The one they filed a patent for. Edit: you covered it👍🏻

Rotor was the first to introduce 13 speed gearing

Zzyzx is on the way to Las Vegas from Southern California. :)

I am quite annoyed by tubeless the last few years. I don't know if the formula of the various tubeless milks changed but it doesnt't work as it used to do back in the day (when i was still riding 26 😂). I feel like it doesn't close punktures or snake bites any more, it just indicates those holes and you have to close them in a very provisional way by sticking some tubeless repair stuff in them. I think i should try tubes again. And if they have gotten lighter and more punkture resistant the better.

#quiz - Ok I am pushing my brain a little here - I think it is actually Rotor who had the first 1 x 13 drivetrain? Could this be the first time I am wrong?

@gmbntech

2 ай бұрын

nope, you are correct! This would be the first 1 X 13 and electric though

@feedbackzaloop

2 ай бұрын

@@gmbntech you are treading the fine line here with that many roadie plug-ins

@tim__sadler

2 ай бұрын

@@gmbntech the Rotor one was hydraulic... not electric? (Or did you not see this as the quiz question? )

@AnnaOnTheBike

2 ай бұрын

@@tim__sadler We didn't say the first 13sp "electric", just first 13sp. Electric 13sp only exists for roadies at the moment. And don't worry, you haven't lost your winning streak... yet. 😉

@tim__sadler

2 ай бұрын

@@AnnaOnTheBike Normally don't find out if I am correct till the next show though..

#quiz I was thinking of Shimano or maybe Sram? 🤔

I have recently bought my new Canyon Neuron with 1by and 10-51 Shimano cassette and I find that gear range is slightly unsufficient. I had 618% gear range on my older bike with 3by and I find it sufficient for what I do with my bike, because I have only one bike for all conditions. I ride in steep mountains, I pull my kids in childseat and croozer trailer. I used to go on road trips, I used go to bikepacking with that bike....so I takes all disciplines with no problem. My new Canyon ride better in all ways (except I can't mount child seat on frame) but gear range of 510 is small for all disciplines. I think do-it-all bike should have more gear range. At least 600%. I think current drivetrain technology is not sufficient. I would like to pedal lighter when towing trailer into mountains and I would like to pedal in 40km/h with strong slow rotations. For now I need to make compromises in my riding disciplines.

@OwenBikeNerd

2 ай бұрын

Hi - this is great question - I'll try and cover it in a #askgmbntech! Cheers Owen

Low rise bars look disgusting, looks like XC. 50mm rise seems to be a nice middle ground. 2 speed hub with a 6 speed casette on the rear giving you 12 gears? would that not work?

Gear boxes with belt drives are clearly the future! But in order for them to work brands need to come together and agree a standard so you can swap gear boxes etc on frames! Just like the mobile phone industry all agreeing to go with USB C we need a standard! Especially on e-bikes!!!

@Cassie_MTB

2 ай бұрын

True words with the standard. Effigears Mimic Gearbox is compatible with the Pinion Mount standard. Pinion already has a really big community. But tbh, E-Bikes also didn't have a standard...

@energ8t

2 ай бұрын

FYI… “Fun” Fact: Apple was forced into USB-C by the EU.

@wonderwatch2239

2 ай бұрын

Gearboxes are to heavy, and have to much drag, for xc’ish trail riding 🤷‍♂️

@olik136

2 ай бұрын

might also be gear boxes with chains since that doesn't need a rear triangles that can be dismanteled to get the belt through.

@fetB

2 ай бұрын

why do you need to switch gear boxes. You try them out and then go for one and live with it or sell the bike and buy the other bikefram-box. If you're bying that kind of kit, you're not strapped for a few bucks you lose selling old kit, or else, you need to re-think your finances. This isnt really an issue. WHat is, though, is occasional drag, but thats about it

Is anyone asking for a 13 speed groups. I hear more demand for 2x systems. I'm happy with my 1x12 XT setup, but I know a simple 1x10 would have been just fine and maybe a bunch cheaper. My concern with Shimano's new wireless groupsets is they will drop the old fashion, but still fantastic cable shifting systems. (See 105 on the road side.) I love my 12-spd XT system. Wireless is really for the bike manufactures, it reduces the time it takes to assembling a bike, without increase the labor cost (no cables to run). The push for wireless is from the manufactures not the riders, it is also one of the factors driving the cost of riding higher and higher.

@LaurentiusTriarius

2 ай бұрын

I'm asking for 20 speed. Ultimate Boost™ here we come ...

Why would anyone still be using tubes for anything besides dirt jumps or bmx?

#askgmbntech I have a nukeproof scout (thanks Blake) and am wondering if it's at all possible to fit a 46T chainring to work with my SRAM GX Eagle 12sp cassette? Any and all advice welcome. Thanks guys.

Next bike: currently sitting in the wings as development is happening at a staggering pace - but when I do dive in it will be an e-bike with a gearbox and belt drive.

Put tubolitos on my trials bike; insaaaaane… light and bouncy, instantly ride like Charlie Rolls…😂

The only serious drivetrain that has legitimate merit over the traditional groupset shown here was the Pinion one. Being sealed against gunk and having low maintenance belt drive is worth it despite the weight increase. The other ideas are asking for trouble. And we will pretty much see more as more frames are built to take in gearboxes. eMTBs in particular will enjoy the benefits of MGU.

Campy makes a road 13. BTW

Well U said 1 X 13 ....how about 1 X 14 with Rohloff ? U didn't say what kind of gears....

Wireless is not necessarily “The Future”. I have a SRAM AXS GX derailleur upgrade and while it shifts nice, I don’t like having to rely on managing charging yet another thing. I was even on a ride recently and this guy was at the trailhead and his battery was dead. He was lucky because I had a spare in my pack. I also had to warranty my derailleur because the battery contact springs on the derailleur stop working so it would not maintain contact with the battery and would just stop working mid-ride. My other new bike simply has SLX which works just as well IMHO. I am curious about Pinion with belt drive as the future.

Small tidbit. Zzyzx is an actual road in California located on the I-5 heading south to L.A. I passed through it all the time in the summers. I wonder what influence this had over the forks name...

I could have sworn that Ekar was the first 1x13 but looks like rotor one by a year...

#quiz is it Campagnolo i think in like 2020

#askgmbntech - thoughts on the Shimano patent for ELECTRIC BRAKES? Yes you did read that correctly....

@OwenBikeNerd

2 ай бұрын

Yep I saw something about that Patent too - that could be wild - we'll have to hunt down more info! Cheers Owen

90%+ of riders will never touch their drivetrain other than basic maintenance (if that). No need to worry about the next thing not being compatible with established derailleur standards.

A gearbox on an E MTB is a no-brainer. The bikes are heavy and powerful, so why would you think a light weight cassette and tech handle the extra weight and power delivery that an E-Bike can unleash. Weight is not an issue for most full-power E MTB riders I am sure. Link Glide is a good step in the right direction for its added strength, bu a gearbox ticks so many boxes.

TPU on the road bike. Tubeless on the MTB

Rear mechs are ridiculously exposed. Dirt, rocks, falling over, just so easy to damage. Yes they’re very efficient, but in an eMTB it has to be a Pinion. No doubt others will make gearbox/belt drive systems as they get cheaper.

so why do you need any drive train at all. just direct drive the back wheel hub gear box, with pedals on the same axle. think if the normal situation is that driver is upright, and the front wheel is half-way in the air. and all weight is on the back wheel. and its fully able to be pedalled. like one wheel trick wheel monocycle, but two wheels, leaning forward heavily as the default drive position. maybe a kneel-stand bicycle default drive position. more like skate than a bicycle. or just lean forward. solid or flexible airless for true sustainability and robustness. electric power transmission as dynamic gear box, generator-motor, if you need to use the normal pedal position, half-way between the wheels. also double electric motors-generators at the wheel hubs can be the breaks, no other than regen breaking required. you can also charge a battery at same time and optionally use a battery in the drive train.

Hello, and thanks for the nice infos, the first 1x13 was released by classified for mtb although rotor already have a 1x13 mtb groups et as well campagnolo. Also bad news another team this week had their bikes stolen, those bast****

That photo couldn't have been taken in 1993, the LTS wasn't available then as it's racing debut was in 1995.

@einundsiebenziger5488

2 ай бұрын

... its* debut (it's = it is)

@johndef5075

Ай бұрын

1993 was RTS

ROTOR were first to introduce 1x13

The only way non-derailleur drivetrains will succeed is if there is a standardized, non-proprietary mounting solution.

you can keep your fancy, over-complicated, novelty drive trains

The next big trend for non electric bikes could well be going back to a 2x drive train. the benifits of a smaller rear cassette, shorter derailleur and felxability (flexibility, opps) with fitting most frames could make the 1x trend look like a fad.

@einundsiebenziger5488

2 ай бұрын

What the hell is "felxability"?

@andyamos8594

2 ай бұрын

Maybe I should have put compatability.

@andyamos8594

2 ай бұрын

..but heh, fexlability comes with two pints ant half a bottle of wine, my finger to brain coordination was rather too "flexible" as of wrighting😁

I have a tubolito strapped to my frame

@LaurentiusTriarius

2 ай бұрын

Is that some sort of Spanish dessert?

Gearbox for me. No chain, sealed motor/box, low/no maintenance. Seems inevitable.

Love to send pics of my custom rig

Rotor have 13 speed for road and Mtb.

Turbolito 🤘😍

@einundsiebenziger5488

2 ай бұрын

Tubolito*

3:30 ye, because frame makers arestruggling... this is the least of the issue since everyone already makes their own frame. Pinion has 100 partners tha tsupport their frame-type so clearly this isnt an issue

Oh my gods. What the hell does anyone need a 13 speed for? Do you know how thin those cogs are going to be? They'll need replaced every season or two.

@johndef5075

Ай бұрын

Its stupid. Now Shimano seems to be going there too....

Why Bikeyoke, why?! It's the other way round!

The 1 x drivetrains we have now are simple, reliable, lightweight, quiet, affordable, cross compatible, require a bit of maintenance that you can do yourself and look nice and clean. A great system that doesn’t need much mucking with!

The industry is trying to solve a problem that doesn't actually exist. Clear indication that we are spending way too much money. I would not sacrifice 1% of efficiency for a different drive. Really just need to design a more protected derailleur, maybe up inside the chain stay.

I have a pinion & belt drive , I can't stand the noise of my sram 1 x 12 . It's great & maintenance free.

@gmbntech

2 ай бұрын

What bike is it on Kevin?

@kevindean9613

2 ай бұрын

@@gmbntech An Olsen Lamb.

@keinpietz7697

2 ай бұрын

this is the ultimate MTB combo

Hm, I've been riding the Continental Aerothan for a while, they're insanely light and small - but I've never had so many punctures ... expensive rubbish!

@einundsiebenziger5488

2 ай бұрын

Aerothan is made by Schwalbe, not Continental.

At 4:40 you start complaining about the non-interchangeability of drivetrain components in non-standard bikes like those using gearboxes. It's only a problem if a small company goes bankrupt and you can't get spare parts anymore. On the other hand, I can't regard it as problematic that a Pinion bikes can't be transformed into SRAM Eagle shifted ones. Why should one ever want to do so? It's much more problematic with ebike-motors that don't allow for a cheap replacement by having non-standardized shells for each motor. Ah, whatever...

Let them keep going and they'll have you in the bike shop every week doing maintenance on a over complicated bike. More parts equals more break downs. I just want to have fun on my bike without having to mortgage something to buy it or maintain it. That's why i always buy used. Keep my money local and out of the hands of greedy MFR's. Keepemcoming

I’d wager if someone can afford a gearbox frame, They aren’t riding the same bike for long enough to give an s about proprietary parts.

#quiz rotor was the first company to release 1x13 gears. And I got last weeks question right but wasn’t featured

shimano

You call that revive?!?!? I need 30.0mm for my old and midschool Konas. Still nobody makes one.. what gives?@!

@OwenBikeNerd

2 ай бұрын

Have you consider - a 27.2mm dropper - with a shim to fit the 30.0mm seat-tube size - I've run one in the past and its worked pretty well - theres a few brands that are doing 27.2mm droppers - not huge travel options but better than zero - Do let us know how you get on! Cheers Owen