Well I don't even know what a normal full-suspension feels like sooooo 🤣

@Dewoy1

3 жыл бұрын

Rent a fully and have fun then.

@greysenharrington7058

3 жыл бұрын

Older downhill bikes like early 2000 bike are sold pretty cheap as well

@YBMTB

3 жыл бұрын

I have a nice hardtail, I'll upgrade one day but I'm doing fine for now :)

@sniperdud3323

3 жыл бұрын

I dont even know what suspension feels like on a bike

@YBMTB

3 жыл бұрын

@@sniperdud3323 i feel you bro, until like 3 weeks ago that was also me

Haha! A lot of Eric and Yuka in front of the camera this week. Nice change of pace! I still watch despite lack of POV, Eric, so don't rush your healing process just to try and get video content. I'm healing from a clavicle break myself, so let's take the time to heal right. BTW, I noticed last time you seemed a little frustrated about the pace of healing. What is your age and do you think that is a factor in healing time? I am 54 and definitely healing more slowly than I used to.

I imagine with the high pivot it's more forgiving of casing as the wheel moves up and back rather than up and being forced forward.

@sorinvladu7021

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@revystoked

3 жыл бұрын

100%. It's very forgiving if you mess up.

@lamefart8831

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah and pedal feedback is virtually nonexistent..

@user-du6op6qx5s

3 жыл бұрын

not exactly. You see this suspension is an equivalent that in automotive industry is called trailing arm. A trailing arm doesn't care of up and forward or up and backwards in terms of suspension plushness and comfort. The only thing that matters, is where the main pivot is. If it is in the front of the wheel axle, then it absolutely does not make any difference if the wheel extends to the back or compresses to the front. Absolutely no difference in plushness what so ever. I see a mistake in the answers above. If the wheel travels up and backwards , the wheel is extending, there for pedal kickback is much more than it is with moving up and forward. This is because when the wheel extends, it pulls the chain with it, so pedal kickback happens. If it moves forward, closer to the chainring, it doesn't pull the chain with it, thus resulting in no pedal kickback. This old basic single pivot design bike we see in this video, is the proof of that. It needs an extra pulley to prevent pedal kickback because it is extending the wheel (up and backwards). And another thing. Pedal kickback only occurs to a stationary bike , so...only for expedition purposes as you realise, a moving bike doesn't suffer from this imaginery problem that marketing is trying to put down our throats by force.

@aromaj8

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-du6op6qx5s I would argue that pedal kickback isnt so much a thing as limiting the suspension action when you're standing on the pedals keeping them level.

Eric: talking about his 130mm travel Me:cries in 80mm travel

@tilenkovacic8548

3 жыл бұрын

I bought used bike 2017 gt sensor carbon expert with fox 34, 140 mm of travel and it was 1700€. I have it for like 1 year and it works perfectly. So i think you can save your money and buy used bike.

@DylanDavidVindasLopez

3 жыл бұрын

72mm of REAR travel on mine :C

@adlar2005

3 жыл бұрын

I have a hardtail, LMAOOO

@oogilyboogily9595

3 жыл бұрын

@@DylanDavidVindasLopez what bike?

@DylanDavidVindasLopez

3 жыл бұрын

@@oogilyboogily9595 its a Huffy Elite TR-S 940 from 2016

Thanks for taking the time to answer some questions about high pivot. I know some of those where questions I had about the platform and how it would work.

@user-du6op6qx5s

3 жыл бұрын

it works exactly how it worked in the past. just like a single pivot ever worked.

I gotta say, I've been growing to really enjoy your channel. Great video - keep it up, and hope you heal soon!

I have been riding a type of high pivot bike for over 10 years . Canfield Jedi. I am surprised that it took so long for other companies to catch on.

Great video Eric, I enjoy videos like this....very informative. Heal up!

Yeeewwww! I made it into the questions!! I’ve been drooling over a Druid frame in the Cosmic Eggplant to build up. Such an amazing looking bike and everyone who rides them just gushes over the performance.

@Sheddymiata

3 жыл бұрын

Only reason why I've not got one was nowhere had stock so ended up with an offering

@user-du6op6qx5s

3 жыл бұрын

they gush just to self justify the price they paid for it for getting fooled by marketing youtubers. After all , it is a single pivot bike. How much of a gushing you think can someone give for it?

@ChefIan73

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-du6op6qx5s 🤣🤣

ive had my eye on the druid for a while now, the problem is that i saw that prototype and dont want to buy a 130mm travel druid for them to then bring out a bigger one afterwards, so imma hold out until they eventually release the bigger travel. hopefully soon.

@TylerOnF1re

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah im to broke to afford one

@James-dn1hu

3 жыл бұрын

Yea check out Lewis Buchanan on KZread he’s got some good videos riding a bigger travel version. No details on it yet though

@danielsimpson7764

3 жыл бұрын

@@James-dn1hu yeah I actually live in the same area as Lewis but haven't caught him on his big travel one yet

@revystoked

3 жыл бұрын

The new frame should be out in January [theoretically]. Slacker front end, ~155mm travel, designed around 170-180mm fork travel.

@slayden633

3 жыл бұрын

Same, almost pulled the trigger and seen the video of the prototype so I’m holding off.

Appreciate the review - hope you are healing up well!

I absolutely love my Druid, sickest bike👊🏻. Hope you re back on the trails soon!

Hope the wrist is healing up well. Great video by the way.

Awesome video! We really do have so many great choices now a days that it can be a little tough when your picking out a new bike. The only downside I see so far with the high pivot system is with having to buy two chains, other then that the bike sounds like it rides really well.

Love you posted at the same time as Yuka did

Great video Eric! I actually contemplated getting a Druid after waiting 6 months in for my V2 Ripmo. I think they're beautiful bikes! 9.5 moths later I have my Ripmo, it was worth the wait! I would like to demo a Druid some day though. As for Nobl wheels.........oh yea, I love my Noble 36 with Chris King hubs, so glad I pulled the trigger on them even though my wife said "doesn't your new bike come with wheels???" Yes it does dear, don't worry about it. LOL - CHEERS!

Thank goodness you dropped sr as a sponsor . Every time you hit a bump the suspension would make lots of noise.

@YBMTB

3 жыл бұрын

lol yep, "Toogy Howser MTB" is still a sponser for them and his comment section is beautiful

I've never seen anything like it and I want it now

@user-du6op6qx5s

3 жыл бұрын

really? you haven't seen a single pivot ever before?

Cool, I feel the same way about my Santa Cruz 😃. Great video

Back in the early 90s Cannondale made a full suspension frame. It was called the EST (Elevated suspension Technology). It looked very much like this frame....

Hey thanks for answering my question man!

@BCpov

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for asking!

First, LOVE your RAW videos... I am interest in Onix hubs. Are they as good are they say. I like the silent ride, listening to your tires roll over leaves, rocks, dirt... What do you think? One more thing, you and your wife should come to Puerto Rico and ride. 365 days of riding!!! Thanks for the amazing videos...

Good information. Thank you 🙏

Hey sweet vid! I love the druid design, and was curious how tall you are, what size frame you have, and what size dropper? Im in between a L and an XL and curious how you have yours set up!

I had GT Force. It has mainly high pivot. It's great. It just has steep head angle for nowdays.

Heal well!

thanks for the info!

Pretty rad design bike!! Even the color is sick🤩🤘🏻😃😃

probably the simplest explanation of a high pivot system on a bike, thank you

Do you have the vespers or onyx originals? Im currently building a druid over the winter and plan to run nobl wheels with onux hubs but nobl themselves kinda recommended going hydra over vesper as the vesper has been finnicky since it came out. I would prefer a quieter hub so hopefully you can shed some light on the vespers if you have them. Thanks! Love the vids!

Have you seen Lewis Buchanan’s channel? He’s racing on the Druid and is an absolute beast on it. He smashed Fort Williams at full race pace and it was nuts!

I must admit, I’m just now realizing I’ve never seen his face before as it’s always POV riding footage from his perspective

Lol same on my new bike I can climb with the shock in descend mode. Well there's only pedal bob when I'm in a low gear , I think that's just because I'm bouncing around when my cadence is too high. Suspension geometry is really important. Both Polygon, 1 pedal bobs so much I lock it out on flat ground sometimes , I have to climb in 1st to 3rd gear. The other I can leave in descend mode and climb in 8th to 11th. Pedal bob is probably the biggest issue for me actually, because I use my bike for transportation as well.

Hi Eric, firstly how close are you to be able to getting out riding with Yuka again ! Great question & Answer vid ! I strongly think that the druid has a very big chance of being my next bike 👍🤙🚵🌲🌲🚵🌲🌲

Great video. Subbed.

I was so confused when I saw the release of the druid.

Love ur vids.

I saw a guy with a Druid at my local mtb park and I asked him if you had an influence on him getting that bike and he said that he watched some of your videos and made the decision to get it off of your experience

@BCpov

3 жыл бұрын

That's awesome, I hope he's enjoying it!

when you shave you look so much like Tomáš Slavík, i was so confused when you walked into frame

8:00 Thanks for spoiling next Yuka's video, LOL

Nice Monster! Maybe testing at Hungary? :)

What kind of bike frame are you riding in this video and would you recommend this for a 5’4” long arms woman? And will the bike climb technical? I live in Northwest Arkansas Eureka Springs lotta technical uphill and then fun downhill

In terms of the 2 chains you can use just 1 ebike chain. They are the same you just get 136 links instead of a 112 links on a standard chain.

São ótimos seus vídeos, 🇧🇷.

Eric would it make the chain fall off more like when the thing to go with was 3by7

Ive ridden the AOS from GT, which is a high-ish pivot....i think it overperforms. Nice choice of bike man!

The new norco looks sick

These look so interesting and well made however I notice these for sale on FB pages a lot recently. Given their respective rarity that's noteable and maybe they're not working for some people. I'd love to try one though.

@fillfreakin2245

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I'd have a tough time committing to such a radical bike change without a test ride. Hopefully once this COVID thing is over I'll head to Vancouver Island and see if I get demo one. Heck, even with more normal looking bikes I would want to demo one before dropping all that money on a new one.

I do definitely think you would like the higher travel bike that forbidden is making but I think you should get the higher travel bike next year and keep your bike your riding now for lighter trail rides

Still riding my 2007 Trek Session 10.

As with the Commencal HP system more parts equals more problems. Work really well when new but very expensive when things go wrong, which they will.

thx for the video, now i know what´s the thing with high pivot. Could you speak up a bit more clearly for the next Q&A?

How do you guys judge speed for gap jumps? I've just built a 5 foot double and I'm questioning my speed. I've hit bigger jumps, but none that I've built.

Surprised you guys didn't hook up with Norco for the Aurum HSP

At 5:34 you can see where the rear triangle has rubbed against the front triangle. That isn't good.

@waynephilbert

3 жыл бұрын

Really keen eyes there. Well spotted. I'd be pissed at that happening on a frame. Indicates a fair amount of lateral play.

Nice Bike!!

Is the suspension active during braking?

What hub do you use? Or where can I find it. I love the sound

@cadenhinshaw9038

3 жыл бұрын

Onyx vesper. It has no sound

Did you film this in Squamish up at diamond head?

Any good recommendations for a bike for like $400-$500 I just want a pretty nice bike to maybe do some mountain biking but I’m not taking it serious I just want a good reliable bike. And maybe if there is any good ones for like $200-300

Where we can purchase. Interesting and curiosity.

Hi.Yuka...I really enjoyed your video you sounded so funny when you mentioned your bottom. ..Haha...Your bottom is safe now from that nasty big 29" tyre...Your riding skills are to be admired and you look so different without a helmet. ..Nice bike you have much better now for your bottom and all those steep trails...Please do another video for us you are a way cool chic...God bless.🙋 you guys....

God bless you sir.

Hi can you run the bike without the ziggy link with 650b back and front ?

How does high pivot compare to other multi-pivot suspension designs? My understanding is that DW-Link is intended to have a similar wheel path to what you describe for high pivot.

@user-du6op6qx5s

3 жыл бұрын

it is a single pivot. compare any high single pivot with dw-link and you'll have your answer. there are a lot of bike out there with this old design.

you are the best

Does the suspension push or pull?

You should come over to Ontario and ride Blue Mountain, when your better of course

@YBMTB

3 жыл бұрын

Hopefully itll be open next year, that is a very gnarly place

Why do you have a fox shock paired with a RockShox fork?

A rear travel curve like this is also possible with a 4-link design.

@user-du6op6qx5s

3 жыл бұрын

that is how good the single pivot was in the first place

When will you get back making that trail ???

So yes you need more things to worry about need 1 and half chain to replace the old one and one more chianring to clean and replace. For shure this bike don't pedal well on longer climbs much more friction because more chain and one more chainring, the thing that make me ask why any big brand do this concept?

I wonder what it feels like on a full suspension. I never had a full suspension

Amazing

"Heal!" 😏

I have a question How is the shifting cause the upper pulley angles the top part of the chain does it make shifting weird

@user-du6op6qx5s

3 жыл бұрын

it doesn't shift right. lots of grinding through the chain.

Hey Eric I was wondering what bike I should get.I want the Santa Cruz 5010 and then I also want the Forbidden Druid but Idk what one I should get

@aidenmtb5784

3 жыл бұрын

Druid all the way

@backyardmtb2812

3 жыл бұрын

@@aidenmtb5784 u should sub

Looks like the derailleur does a heap of work ,every time the bike compresses the derailleur moves forward i bet the clutch wont last long.

What front fender is that?

I would love this bike if it had a bit more suspension

Can you bottom out the bottom bracket?

Man this bike is clean

Is wish I could ride a high pivot bike😭😭😭😭but nice video🔥

Hi pivot bikes have been around since the 90's. Its not a new design. Brooklyn Machine Works and the off shoot Superco then Zeroed, and now Comencal and Norco DH versions . I would argue to say it was brought to attention by Nicholas Voulouz and his suspension preferences.

@lornehoover8424

3 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised that nobody is talking about the Balfa BB7

@xjuanx92

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah totally forgot about that bad boy as well!

When are you moving to Rumble?

doesn't it help to pedal because of the extra roller?

wait, who's the shorthaired clean shaven dude talking to me on BCPOV's channel?

i like hard tails but this is so nice

The trek remedy is where it’s at

Do your pants or leg ever catch the idler?

I know you broke your rear wheel on Crazy Merry in Castlegar...

If I was to get a druid xt what size should I get I'm 5'4 and growing quick. What size should I get.

@violent_bebop9687

3 жыл бұрын

Go to your bike shop, test fit/ride

it's real nice

That new bike is the Drednought I think

I think it looks cool

What price? I'm From Philippines

High Pivot is just a high single pivot so basically a simple design . Longer chain and an extra cog so an extra set of bearings or bearing .

what size is it please

I'm sure it's safe, but that idler pulley gives me the creeps...like I'm going to rips some skin off the inside of my right calf during some funky move in a tech section.

Nice