here in Germany, you can get a Carbon Spindrift with flow mk3 wheels, rs ultimate (zen and super deluxe coil) suspension, gx drivetrain, chain guide and so on for roughly 4000€ which is equal to 5000 USD. This is crazy value! There is no way we could get a Trek, Santa Cruz or any of the tested bikes with similar spec for 4000€

@900schutter

3 жыл бұрын

was looking at propain myself for a possible next bike. since i'm in belgium, propain looks more and more appealing.

@simppe75

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. For Europeans, the Spindrift (and all other Propain bikes) is extremely good bang for the buck.

@martincantwell2557

3 жыл бұрын

There unbeatable value, my old spindrift came with factory fox 36, cane creek db coil,mt7 brakes, stans flow wheels, bike yoke dropper, and gx drivetrain for €3300. Nothing else came close for that spec. I spent a bit more on the new spindrift but still less than 4k for a really high spec'd machine

@papawheelie8657

3 жыл бұрын

@@900schutter Look at Vitus bikes. In my opinion these bikes are the best value and have great components. They are also a French brand so you would not have much trouble getting these bikes to Belgium.

@HansPeter-pm1gq

3 жыл бұрын

@@papawheelie8657 thought vitus was British?

Me watching this like I can afford any of them

@juanpablomejia82

3 жыл бұрын

Dead ass bruh 😭

@raven2717

3 жыл бұрын

Meh Too!

@BaljinderSingh-zi8su

3 жыл бұрын

😭😭😭

@lheovince9260

3 жыл бұрын

samee feels

@andrewspanos8508

3 жыл бұрын

Look at canyon or yt and if you want to spend more money you can look at the cube stereo 150 it has very good parts such us fox 36 factory grip 2 and a carbon frame at 3600 can't wait for mine to come

PB: "Let's look at the best value bikes." Also PB: "Okay the base model sucks, but here's the $6500 fully carbon one"

@niklazz7037

3 жыл бұрын

lol, when a $3500 sucks and guy tells you'd need upgrade soon --- 0.o

Strange that lifetime warranty is not taken into consideration when talking about value. I have broken 2 frames and having a good warranty is a very strong point when comparing bikes.

@mrvwbug4423

3 жыл бұрын

Santa Cruz does have that going for them, lifetime warranty on frame and wheels, and they are good about honoring it unlike certain other brands *cough*Evil*cough*

@JJ_MTB_15

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrvwbug4423 evil’s lifetime now just bought one, we’ll see if they back it up.

@Kovacs-sf1hi

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrvwbug4423 I’ve had an evil for a while and needed to warranty and needed parts and they’ve been amazing, everyone’s experience is diff I guess?

@mtbohana

3 жыл бұрын

Stop buying from bike manufacturers that sell frames that break 😉😁

@germi1

3 жыл бұрын

@@mtbohana actually on the contrary. When I broke the frame the customer service was super nice, I only had to send 1 picture by mail and after a week I have a brand new frame, updated model compared to my 5 year old broken frame and with a renewed 6year warranty. There’s nothing to complain about that. Hence my comment, do they offer a 10year at least or lifetime, all the better.

Insane prices really. Canyon and yt can't fill the gap fast enough.

@Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged

3 жыл бұрын

Yea, I think all successful bike companies will go direct to consumer over the next several years. The ones that don't won't be successful.

@tonyparkin3379

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged I heard canyon looking for investors to help them expand further.

@MK4vDubbin

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged What makes you think that? Companies like Specialized and Santa Cruz are still absolutely crushing YT in market share. What would be their incentive to go direct?

@moncier77

3 жыл бұрын

I have a canyon and the price and bang for your buck is there! You couldn’t touch my bike with the components I have in it under 4K with other brands.

@angelrios3504

3 жыл бұрын

@@moncier77 same here with my canyon torque

Love the honesty when talking about saving money vs weight on carbon frames. I never thought it was worth 1000 dollars to save 1.5 lbs on a bike. I guess if you’re a pro racer with sponsors, a 10,000 dollar bike is reasonable. But I have a 1,300 dollar hard tail that is great.

@mocheen4837

Жыл бұрын

I guess it is all relative. My friend makes $500,000 per year and rides on $5,000 road bikes and mountain bikes. He also collects muscle cars.

The Propain Sprindrift is the easy choice from a value standpoint for Europeans. This is the base model (with a dropper) and you can upgrade everything individually. 2750€ Alu frame (you can choose 27,5"/Mullet/29") 3 different frame colors + 10 different trim colors to choose from ZEB R fork Super Deluxe Select R Coil shock (you get to choose the right spring, so no need to buy the right springrate after you have bought the bike) GX Eagle Sram G2 R brakes 3 different tire options

@josephkinnear5802

3 жыл бұрын

Yes 👍 I paid €2950 with super deluxe coil, and zeb select plus, and delivery. I will add a dropper myself. But still crazy cheap for that spec bike, can't wait to ride it

I did a review on the 2021 Slash 9.8 XT and have to agree and say, it's ready to go right out of the box for whatever. Racing, park, local mountains, whatever it's a great bike and probably one of the best enduro bikes I've ridden. I also compare it to my Current Spesh enduro, and my previous Yeti SB150

YT Capra! 180mm travel, Carbon frame, Fox 36 for $3200

@kutlay1988

3 жыл бұрын

if you can wait 2 centuries for delivery :D I am in love with my AL Capra

@jamesinsteamboat

3 жыл бұрын

@@kutlay1988 haha, I guess I had good timing: ordered mine in Feb and it showed up in March. It does 3,000 foot climbs just fine and has made me much more confident on the gnarly stuff

@lego354

3 жыл бұрын

If you can wait there is no other bike with such value I'm getting the base one

@tpavan

3 жыл бұрын

Got the Capra Blaze, 4k and what you get for the money is just impossible to compare with anything else available! Fuck you and your 9k bike, LOL!!

@cf6174

3 жыл бұрын

But its a YT

I like to see you guys run a similar test but on value oriented bikes/brands like the direct to consumer options.

@tpavan

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, from all these videos seems like everybody has 10 grands to casually spare for a bicycle!

Hehe sounds funny hearing my name yelled out so politely

@AidanKiely

3 жыл бұрын

Relatable 😂

@aidankatowong

3 жыл бұрын

whats up aidans

@aidenfarmer1371

3 жыл бұрын

Y’all spell your name different but i want in on this gang

I agree with everything Mike said, however as a bigger guy, 191cm-100kgs, I did feel a difference in stiffness going from a XXL AL Capra to a CF. Not a life-changing difference, but I now think of the difference between a carbon and alloy frame in terms of stiffness rather than weight.

Value in the title and then shows bikes from $3500 to $9800. Makes me think once my Canyon spectral is done that I will be done. Breaks my heart.

@crb22205

3 жыл бұрын

How ya liking the Spectral?

@lego354

3 жыл бұрын

Yt capra/ jeffsy base are good value for money

@cf6174

3 жыл бұрын

@@crb22205 spectral is a great bike until you have do deal with canyon’s customer service

Vitus Escarpe and Smmet range start at £2k & £2.4k, both coming with a carbon front triangle as standard.

I already know its gotta be the spindrift

@mrvwbug4423

3 жыл бұрын

Only in Europe, where their full options are available. Otherwise the Altitude has some decent bang for buck aluminum builds.

I love how people only refer to the value of a carbon frame as weight savings, and never factor in things like ride quality, resale value, or fatigue life in to it. I've ridden back to back carbon and aluminium bikes with everything but the frame material being the same and the carbon rides so much nicer, so to me that is a worthwhile upgrade.

@abccanada6248

3 жыл бұрын

Also carbon is much more easily repairable then alloy or even easier then (at least cheaper then) steel. Here in Vancouver my go to bike repair guy charges 250 cad per crack and will match the paint and unless you strip the paint back off the frame performs identical to new and looks even better cause the scratches in the area repaired are gone)

@notparanoid912

3 жыл бұрын

@@abccanada6248 ngl i wouldnt trust that frame anymore if it cracked because of delamination etc

@abccanada6248

3 жыл бұрын

@@notparanoid912 usually its cracks due to an impact or what ever. De lamination should be a warranty problem delamination absoloutely is not safe

You said this was the best value enduro field test. I'm still waiting to see a bike worth the money. This industry has lost it's damn mind! I always build my own bikes to try to save where I can because I don't feel like any bike, off any shelf is worth the asking price. I just built a carbon Knolly Warden, but I only ended up with the carbon version because of a delay in the frame I ordered...and I got a fat discount. Marzocchi bomber cr rear shock, NOS Marzocchi 350 R fork, bontrager line 30 wheels with the 108 poe upgrade, box components 9 speed drivetrain, SLX cranks, SLX 7120 brakes, chromag bars, stem and pedals, PNW loam dropper...I'm STILL in this thing for over $4k, but at least it's set up how I want. I could have saved money, sure, if I wanted to run raceface stuff, cheaper brakes...but then I could have just bought one of the "budget" bikes everyone else has.

@notparanoid912

3 жыл бұрын

You should checkout the propainsite its fully customizible and the allubikes have a really nice vallue (2ndbest rochock suspension with mt7 brakes and gxeagel for 3500€)

Would love to see some real reviews of the lower priced bikes

@dabbking

3 жыл бұрын

Basically the same but lower quality components. Just go with commencal they have the best value for the price.

@mrvwbug4423

3 жыл бұрын

They did a second field test this spring for budget bikes and a separate one for XC bikes. I would expect the same for 2021

@n00bstacle

3 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure it's harder for them to review lower spec bikes as the companies want them to show off the best they have to offer and don't want people to judge based of components as much

@huntermcpherson8399

3 жыл бұрын

If you’re serious about enduro racing, who would buy cheap over fast?

@dabbking

3 жыл бұрын

@@huntermcpherson8399 some one without a lot of money.

I really dig this no nonsense honest talk.

I was just having some fun with the spindrift online, I managed to spec a 190 zeb ultimate, a super deluxe rear shock with an axs dropper and derailleur for the same price as the Nukeproof Mega RS, about 5,400...

@mrvwbug4423

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly I don't believe North American buyers can use those customization options, just the few high end complete builds they export

@daveybmtb

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrvwbug4423 ah, that makes sense. They're still fantastic bikes though! And they're lookers

The Propain Spindrift is just a dream, it has amazing parts❤❤

I bought the Slash 8 2021 model and honestly it’s so nice. people say u need brake upgrades but i personally don’t feel the need. the code R do plenty

@mrvwbug4423

3 жыл бұрын

Code R is just Code RSC without the fancy bite point adjuster. SLX vs XT is the same, both stop about the same, SLX just lacks the bite point adjuster and is slightly heavier.

What about yt industries? Can you include yt in the next review

@charliewilhelm4982

3 жыл бұрын

YESSS PLEASE

@graysonadams2485

3 жыл бұрын

Well they don't have any new bikes this year, but I was thinking that too. They would blow the value comp out of the water.

@dabbking

3 жыл бұрын

@@graysonadams2485 don’t forget about commencal great value.

@dabbking

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jacob99174 they should pay me! Haha I just like the commencal meta I had more than Santa Cruz high tower or the Bronson.

Trance x 29 2 is bangerr value for a all round dualie Edit: if you chuck cushcore in the back you can use it as an enduro smasher too

Where’s the canyon torque?!

What happened to the Rocky Mountain a50 and c50 build options! I thought they had a pretty good part spec for the price especially the a50

@danielvillada8866

3 жыл бұрын

Hey have them the best deal they have is a70

I think you need to be looking at the £2000 to £3500 price bracket (or equivalent in the US). Things like the Canyon Torque 5 or 6, Saracen Ariel 80, and Vitus Sommet CR

The RM Altitude A30 is a decent deal, great upgrade platform (DPX2 shock at that level is good, I believe the Z1 fork can also take a Grip 2 upgrade kit), but the one that still sticks out but didn't make the field test is the Ibis Ripmo AF Deore build, mostly for the DVO suspension which was upgraded for 2021 with the Onyx SC fork over the diamond. Trek is no surprise, their builds are always bad on value, the Slash is no exception.

I just bought the 2021 giant reign sx with fox 38 forks and the fox dhx2 rear coil and it all cost 6kNZD brand new very cheap for the suspension

Great review. I agree with you got 100% with the carbon frame and the carbon wheels are not worth it. Components are more valuable to make the bike better when you have a better fork and better brakes etc..

The Rocky A30 sure looks good compared to the others. Still $3.5k and doesn’t have the brakes nor drivetrain that I would want however. I think it’s great for most riders out there looking for this type of rig however.

@rewind10z

3 жыл бұрын

I bought the A50 for 4000€ in germany... not sure if it isn't available in NA or why it wasn't mentioned. But it comes with 36/DPX2 Performance, XT brakes, XT/SLX drivetrain. Pretty nice spec IMO.

@lonohst

3 жыл бұрын

The A50 is available here got mine two weeks ago. Again not sure why it wasn't mentioned either.

@mrvwbug4423

3 жыл бұрын

A50 is available in north america, it goes up to SLX drivetrain and brakes, but fork only goes to Fox 36 Perf, which is just a sidegrade from the Z1, shock remains the same. The A30 is more of an upgrade platform, G2G out of the box, but you will probably want to make some upgrades after the first season. The A50 should've gone to Fox 36 or 38 Perf elite fork and DPX2 perf elite shock imho, or RS Zeb/super deluxe ultimate.

@lonohst

3 жыл бұрын

A50 has an XT derailleur and brakes only the shifter and cassette are SLX. You are correct on the fork.

waiting to order my RAAW Madonna V2

The Spindrift has an very good value in Europe where you basically can make a dream build and only pay a lot of money for the Parts you want

For budget enduro bikes , not sure why you would bother with carbon for what is probably not a race bike but a weekend fun bike

This is what I needed after crying after I finished watching community :')

I’ve just bought a Slash 7 21 in red. I’d say the only thing that lets it down is the brakes, they’re quite quick to fade.

Need to do a video on the best bike you can actually get ! Since you can't get any

cube stereo 170 race?!

I'm happy with my 2020 Capra Black magic. 3800$ Canadian to my door. Sure there are upgrades I could make but it wouldn't be any where near the cost of some of these rides

@will21

3 жыл бұрын

How'd you get it so cheap? The lowest 2021 is like 6k now..

@dieseldavedick

3 жыл бұрын

@@will21 got it Oct. Xl black magic

I have a 2019 Instinct BC carbon 90 that i bought as a leftover and saved 2500.00 off the 6100.00 list. With the savings i got carbon wheels, bars Selle San Marco seat with carbon rails saving 100 grams and just got the 10-52 XO, that saved me 1/2 pound, shifts like butter and yes i can feel the improvement from the 52 over the 50 and gotta love at looking at a carbon crank. 300 gram Stamp 11 pedals which are LIGHT, have amazing grip and come with extra pins so worth the initial cost, my cheaper Shimano pedals i had on my Spectral were 500 grams, many times also easier to sell the top end parts too so i didn't mind spending the extra money for the Stamp 11's. Loving my Instinct carbon 90 BC

@darrinkulyk9560

Жыл бұрын

Excellent 😎 I Bought a 2019 CF Warden With 300km on it for $3500 . Never Seen Black Till Me 😎

@zxtenn

Жыл бұрын

@@darrinkulyk9560 I sold VERY soon after i wrote this, it sold in about 2 days. I placed the ad of a Friday and was sold Sat. and paid for and picked up Monday morning.

My parents bought me a Trek when I was like 16yo - I knew how much it cost (400-500 USD) if I recall correctly. I also went to a shop not long ago, on my late 30's and saw an awesome looking bike. I ask the seller, how much is this worth and he says about $6,000USD --- I wen't out laughing out the door. Now I see this videos of people talking about 8k and 10k bikes and I wonder --- when did a mountain bike start costing the same an more than a 2stroke or 4stroke motocross bike or even speed bike. I guess I am not qualified to see the high value on this bikes, just perplexed at the fact that if you want to get into Enduro Bicycles (yes Bicycles) I need to spend the same I would for a motor bike and that is just absurd to me, sure many enthusiast would disagree but this is just waaay too much for a steel frame and couple of dampers.

@huntii

3 жыл бұрын

I am thinking the same thing. What makes a bike worth $6000 ?

@itr0863

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I felt the same way when I went to my local bike shop looking for an all mountain/Enduro bike. Cost as much as my Yamaha waverunner lol.

I am sure there are a lot of bikes that would provide competitive value vs. what was in the video. One example would be the Fezzari La Sal Peak.

I think it is nice to look into value bikes as many can't afford the top of the line bikes. Keep looking into value bikes.

One of the best videos of the field test!

If you are looking for cheap bike with good specs look at propain. My friend just bought a spindrift for 4000€ with Al frame, Best fox suspension, gx and magura brakes. Propain has the best prices for the best specs.

no nukeproof or ibis??

@JoeJoe-C137

3 жыл бұрын

"Includes paid promotion" first bike Santa Cruz nomad 🙄 tells you everything you need to no about this "field test" jokers..

Cube Stereo 170 3600€ Full Fox factory Full Shimano XT (new generation) Race Face carbon parts Newmen wheels

you did not just ut SantaCruz in the value section

What about the '21 Commencal Meta AM? Got mine for $3200 shipped to my door. Zeb up front and RS deluxe select + in the rear. Same drive-train as the SC Nomad. This bike is nutty. Takes anything i can throw at it here in the Adirondacks. For everyone looking for *BEST VALUE*, check out Commencal if you haven't already. Same spec as $4k+ enduros for $3200. Can't beat that!

the slash is probably my favorite on this list but I've always had a soft spot for Trek

@abccanada6248

3 жыл бұрын

Treks have a soft spot for you as well. Usually the 2 cracks on the chainstays

@armankiarmankii

3 жыл бұрын

@@abccanada6248 🤣🤣💀

@flippy66

2 жыл бұрын

@@abccanada6248 🤡

Yeah none of these bikes are in my budget, I’m looking for sub $3k USD. I don’t know if I’d consider these “value” haha

Quick question. Do you test the rocky mountain slayer again? Would be definetly be nice

Propains value is probably the best the 2,600€ version comes with a gx, but u should add a dropper for around 150-200€

Do you think the nomad is a better climber than the slash

@SmokinJoe1

3 жыл бұрын

These bikes are made for downhill

@peytonrobinson3819

3 жыл бұрын

@@SmokinJoe1 I know but I’m trying to decided between the two and I want to know which one is the better climber

@SmokinJoe1

3 жыл бұрын

@@peytonrobinson3819 Slash is better than the new Nomad 5 👍 Overall, the Slash is a capable climber and will easily get you to the top of every trailhead.

Great video lads that's more like the price point us humble folks can afford. Maybe the new 2021 whyte bikes -- T160 and G180 you would consider for your next test/review !!

Did we totally forget about the insane value of a YT Capra? Or Commencal or Canyon?

@corail53

2 жыл бұрын

Surprised Commencal isn't on here but YT and Canyon aren't all that great of deals when you account for getting it over to north america plus their huge wait times because they got hit hard by supply chain issues and overall bad customer service for warranty.

I truly think the focus Sam is the best value for money

You Mentioned that the Santa Cruze was the better deal over the Trek. You said the SC was 6199 dollars but with the carbon wheels it drove the price to $7400. I would certainly take house brand parts(carbon wheels, bars, by the way is in house for SC as well) and stuff 1500 bucks in my pocket for awesome upgrades. How is that a better deal? Did I miss something?

Carbon makes sense on xc whippets, but for enduro sleds built for punishment I think aluminum has to be the sensible choice.

@Hawcz0r

3 жыл бұрын

How so? Carbon is stronger

@lopon12

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hawcz0r one crash could be the end of your race on a carbon bike, aluminum might be able to take you home with a few dents

@Hawcz0r

3 жыл бұрын

@@lopon12 You are saying that carbon is weaker than aluminium? Because that is not true. If it were, people wouldn't use it for downhill.

@lopon12

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hawcz0r this video isn't downhill its enduro, multiple runs in one day.

@Hawcz0r

3 жыл бұрын

@@lopon12 I'm not too into EWS, but googling "ews carbon bike" gives me plenty results saying that carbon bikes are used in enduro races. I think I will trust the industry and thousands of others before some random youtube comment about carbon being weak.

What about the Cube stereo 150 actionteam? Is has full Fox Factory suspention, an XT drivetrain and a Carbon frame, it also cots only about 3800$.

thanks. your clip is really helpful for me would chose the bike....i would like a moderate bike for weekend buring calories...👍🏿

What about the marin alpine trail. Are they any goig?

Funny to see that Spindrift set up UK/Moto style.

Awesome. Great info.

Where can you get the norco shore a2 for 3700? cheapest I can find is 4300

Love your show and your reviews....but it doesn’t really seem like you tested any of the 2500-3500 models other than the Rocky Mtn bike...do only a few exist in enduro?

Hi there, the bike is rady to ride?

I got a 2020 scott ransom 920 for just under $4000 at whistler. Used rentals coming in clutch

i would recommend:steel hardtails with 140/150mm fork..........😋

Hello, I bought the YT Capra Shred for 3500€. It's a very nice Aluminium bike with highend parts. For this price it's perfect. If you need a new bike just buy it:)

Well, for 5,000 USD I got a second hand Specialized Enduro 2020 carbon Roval wheels, GX, with 2021 Fox 38 and 2021 X2, and that's the best value

Hmm what about the specialized status?? I was wondering if they still make that bike?

I would only buy that Norco Shore 2 anyway. That paint job is hot. I’d rather upgrade parts than be stuck on another grey or black bike.

In Australia the Trex Slash 9.8 is $8500.

YT capra Shred/Cf pro

The Norco shore is most appealing to me here. None of these bikes are quiver killers and just add ons. At that price the shore would just be my bike park bike and never replace a trail bike for me

Would you go for carbon frame alloy wheels or alloy frame carbon wheels

polygon N9 is the best that you can find out there for restricted budget

Polygon N9 Mostly XT $3099.

What’s the water bottle cage? Looks awesomee

Hahahahah Robot noises . If your doing a lot climbing for laps. Would you recommend the new altitude? I’m on a 2015 Altitude and it climbs unreal but I’ve outgrown the descending .

This was super helpful and needed, thank you!!!

I haven't seen the video but I already know that the spindrift win

Polygon n7 is $2600 and rips.

Apparently bike prices will be dropping soon. I’m noticing parts prices are already dropping

what do you think about the marin alpine trail carbon 1

"Best Value"

The carbon frames of Propane are usually 2 pounds less than the Aluminum equivalent. And the cost is not 1000 more. So I'd go with carbon. In Europe you can get a very VERY decent spec (Fox 38 Kashima factory fork & DH2 shock) Propain Spindrift, for less than 5k. At that money, this bike is a bargain.

Gotta sell my kidney now

No specialized enduro or santa cruz megatower?

Gerrilla gravity with reach adjustment its better than any one in the video

Where's the 2021 Commencal Meta AM29? That is a best bang for your buck enduro bike!

Im in italy and for 3529€ i can get a propain tyee with a carbon frame, fox 36 fork, fox float x2, fox transger kashima 175mm dropper post and sram gx drivetrain

what about Marin alpine trail xr

You should look at marin alpine trail carbon 2. It's full on enduro. $4099.

so in the 30 years that wages have been stagnant for most people in the states, mountain biking has gone from an 'entry-level' bike at $700 to $3500. i guess all the effort to try and get more people into the sport throughout the 90s was an academic exercise

Why not include the Process X Kona? Much better value for money than most here.

Pink bikes pretty well rounded testing hi and low end equipment. Have Nice day...👽

My Huffy goes pretty fast downhill.

I’m going to take a wild guess and say it’s going to be the lowest end rocky mountain altitude but I hope it’s a slash because I love the slash

@FelixT370

3 жыл бұрын

oooooh i would love a trek but they are not very good price to performancee