Agree. Reno should be 12 mana. Open the Waygate should be once per month. Naval mine should be a Pokemon card.

@alphand_

2 ай бұрын

Let's tell blizzard!

@propanesquid5234

2 ай бұрын

12 mana? Another classic victory for Hyperbolian guff druids

@izaiahsundquist6877

2 ай бұрын

Naval Mine could also be a yugioh card based on what's currently happening in the TCG right now.

@gyuzen

2 ай бұрын

Real and True

Another riveting commentary on Chumbostone

Just hearing you talk about these changes put a smile on my face, imagine if Wild got the care it deserves... hopefully with you complaining with us they make some changes

Naval mine is a 2 mana neutral mech minion from the Voyage in the sunken city set which has a deathrattle that reads, "Deal 4 damage to the enemy hero"

@CountFab

2 ай бұрын

Many people are saying this

Came for the wild commentary, stayed for the sunglasses monologue.

I’ll say it again, Reno should be s symmetrical effect. I think he’s fine as a “oh shit” kind of card, but it’s horrible when the highlander deck is already winning and then Reno just locks you out entirely and lets his board hit you while removing all your locations, deathrattles and lifesteal guys

@petrjara7559

2 ай бұрын

"locks entirely"? huh, you can cast spells and hero cards and you still get the 1 space for cards like deathwing to deal with the board and spells are much better for that than minions except few combos like Flurgl. Like Loatheb in his time (and very much now too) in a situation the opponent is "already winning" was much MUCH more stronger than Reno.

@slowbowz6383

2 ай бұрын

Yeah It makes way more sense, it's supposed to be a standoff.

@Zakading

2 ай бұрын

I don't think it should be symmetrical simply because thag makes it too similar to the Mage one. Not sure how to change it exactly, but I don't think symmetry is the way.

@BBSplat

2 ай бұрын

@@Zakading Maybe make it symmetrical, but you can choose a single friendly minion to survive on your side

@nudnud9

2 ай бұрын

@@petrjara7559 NO WAY YOU JUST SAID DEATHWING

I 100% agree with you, every enemy I face is either quest mage or dragon priest. I don't actually mind dragon priest that much, because that can be countered with armor and stuff, but it's just getting stale at the moment. I've climbed to legend this week with Bladed Gauntlet OTK warrior which is quite fun, can counter a quest mage if their combo is a bit slow with Tight-Lipped Witness, or can just survive dragon priest with the insane amount of armor you can get super early. The other deck I've been playing recently is a Hooktusk Rogue, which is just pirate rogue but with a Hooktusk combo package with Spirit of the Shark and Shadowcaster, and I put Cloak of Shadows to survive 1 extra turn against quest mage. And I have an amazing story, where I played Cloak on T6, The enemy played Vexallus and completed their quest, but didn't play it because Cloak protects you until YOUR turn, and then I was able to Hooktusk combo to take all their cards out of their hand. Probably my proudest moment ngl

i love this video the outro monologue was a treat i have broken many a pair of my Actual glasses in my years before being adhd medicated. would just forget where I set them and then somehow knock them to the floor and then step on em

100% exactly what all of us legend wild players are thinking.

@briangranger1741

2 ай бұрын

quest mage .... nuff said.

I'm all for the extra Marshie content.

Would it be too brutal to make Time Warp a once-per-game effect? Harth set the precedent that that's allowed. As for Snowfall, they should probably make it only trigger on minions like Rivendare.

@jonathanpatterson9791

2 ай бұрын

harth's effect only working once is actually an upside because of the shudderwock hand🤓

@Humandefect

2 ай бұрын

Rather than harth the more close precedent is the extra turn dragon in priest. Only once per game too. At least with that deck they try to kill you with that one free turn with giants. Also ice block too for that matter. Though I don't know if they ever want or can make that kind of change to a card.

@Zakading

2 ай бұрын

It's absolutely a fair suggestion. The Preist Dragon is the same way.

@MartianBuu

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, thats what Id do to QM. Your Snowfall idea is good, I mostly thought about mana cost but just separating it from the weapon should be good.

@petrjara7559

2 ай бұрын

@@MartianBuu What about changing the time players spend separate from the game "turns"? Like making the "extra turn" not a turn. It would refresh your mana, draw a card, remove summoning sickness etc. but you'd have only the 75 seconds to do everything. It feels like fun to go infinite with the turns but what's not fun is to wait 10 minutes to know if you actually lost or their Rommath randomly destroys himself and you will be allowed to play again. Making the Quest cast just once would probably kill it completely with all the power there is in wild. Compared to the Zarimi the Quest would have to be buffed to like "cast 2 generated spells" and time warp for 3 mana to compete with 4/6 body and summoning dragons that you can use in the extra turn instead of the spells that usually do nothing after you play them.

I agree with almost everything, but I do think Wild could go a little bit slower. I played a bunch of Wheel of Death Warlock lately, which can kill the opponent as early as turn 5. Which DOESN'T MATTER because Mine Rogue and Miracle Druid kill you on turn 4 from hand! There has to be a limit on how early decks should be able to kill you from hand. Turn 4-5 really is too early in my opinion.

really like those only commentary vids well ! keep it up my favorite martian !

Best outro commentary yet ❤

Very glad I'm not the only one! I haven't been playing Hearthstone for a few months now due to the state of the meta. There's no decks I'm really huge on and playing around quest mage and mine rogue feels like a chore with hardly any reward. Really hoping we get some attention soon! The format really needs some touch ups.

Just started and I already know Matians take is going to be legit. 🤝

Quest Mage is so unfun to fight it's crazy. And there are always so many defenders on Reddit whenever anyone suggests that *maybe* taking infinite turns is a bit toxic (and NO don't say "just concede" because lethal is not always guaranteed after Rommath if they also played random damage or card-generation cards, and sometimes you have to sit through 3-4 roped turns just to win). PLEASE BLIZZARD JUST MAKE IT ONCE PER GAME WE KNOW YOU HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY!

I think the biggest offended in mage is ice block, it enabled every stupid combo deck they've ever had

@MartianBuu

2 ай бұрын

I agree, I argued pretty hard for Once Per Game on it for a while. I dont think they like that change and there’s not enough community consensus to sway that opinion. Ill settle for OPG on Warp at this point.

I feel your pain, I’m playing divine dragon priest and even Paladin in Legend. Especially the play pattern of Quest Mage. I normally let an OTK kill me while I get something to drink, but with Mage they are still busy when I get back.

Hey Maritan, wild Legend Player here. Hit legend with a Renathal Reno Shudder list this month, that was feeling good and fun. Now that I'm at legend I've been playing a Highlander Hunter and an Ilgynoth otk (the weapon that's about to be nerfed is strong) both feel playable!

I agree 100% started playing again, got to legend, and don't even have the energy to climb and I just came back. I'm tired of grinding it out vs Questmage.

I'm playing DK rainbow Renathal atm. I'm not a very good deckbuilder so I suppose that there is lot of things that I could change in the list, but it's for now the only way I found to have fun in wild and for now it works quite well

Once upon a time they nuked Sorcerer's Apprentice. I can definitely see them finally adding "once per game" on the mage quest now that they have a sample in Zarimi in Priest of that effect. I think it's just a matter of "when"

For the first time ever, Standard is kind of fun to play for me right now. Specifically, as close as I'm ever going to get to the old-school Burgle Rogue with Cutlass. There's Cutlass, Tess and a decent enough amount of weapon buffs and discover burgle cards to make it kind of close to what it used to be in Wild from a few years back. And there's only Viper left as a somewhat frequent weapon removal. So I've been toying around with that lately, after reaching my typical monthly goal of Diamond 5 in Wild. Sorry to say, but I absolutely love playing my 40-card highlander quest mage deck. Not only that, it's the only deck I even like playing that's still viable in the current meta. I'm not running Ice Blocks or Solid Alibis, or any exodia overkill as I've seen quite a few opponents do. I'm running all the discovers in the world and that way each game is a bit different, while the quest gives me a chance not to die before I can hatch a plan with what I've discovered. If you face the copy-paste netdeck version with nothing but coins and freeze and super greedy late game OTK, I can relate to your disgust for "quest mage" though. I hate that version too. Then again, any version of battlecry shaman is high on my list of decks I absolutely despise. Along with most "reno" decks that are seemingly the result of throwing everything that comes up after typing "no duplicate" and most importantly "no fun for your opponent" in the deck builder until they've reached 40 cards. The current popular variant of battlecry scam shaman with the return of Shudderwock solely to abuse the neutral hero card on top of Loatheb and the 3-drop that kills other highlander decks... That's a thousand times more disgusting to face than any version of quest mage. It seems weird to me that you'd hate the latter but like (love?) the former... Then again, I hate the former and love the latter, so... ^^ But yeah, "do they draw their Loatheb and/or their 3-drop that throws duplicates in my deck early or do I have a slim shot'?" is more than boring to me. To each their own I guess. Appreciate your commentary and insight as always, in any case.

I don't understand why they can't have some lesser Twist formats alongside the more interesting ones. Literally just pick 4-5 random sets and run that format for a month. Perhaps Twist being disabled is intentional so that it's more appealing when it's live?

Mage is my favorite class, but Timewarp is absolutely a problem. Also, I think that if Warp goes to once per game, I think the Giants version comes back from, gosh I think 2020(?) comes back.

@Zakading

2 ай бұрын

I actually enjoyed the giants/combo version. At least it actually ends the game in a turn.

A deck I've been enjoying recently is a list with 1x Edwin and 1x Dancer in Miracle Rogue, Edwin still feels core to me in Miracle Rogue even if Corb has cut it, Edwin is just the strongest anti-aggro tool in the game if you can get him down early even as a 6/6 or an 8/8 to help prepare for a later giant dump like the lists without Edwin try to do. Alongside 2 plunds, its just good enough to be outright favored into Shadow Priest. Dig for Treasure being just 1 mana draw a minion is still fantastic and you rarely become sad if you draw Edwin or Dancer. I have considered cutting Dancer, but none of the cards I've seen people choose to include like Quick Pick or Cutlass have interested me more than Dancer.

I loved the outro :) And yeah , I hate what Wild has become. At least I jamm a lot with your paladin otk list, its very fun! 😅

Still playing Reno Hunter, great vs fast combo decks and overall

I agree with you take on Reno Lone Ranger. Reno decks used to be my favorite architeype, but now I hate those decks with a passion. So many good highlander cards, the decks pretty much builds themselves. The icing on the cake that turned those decks is RLR.

I’m sad we get 1 wild balance patch a year, feel like we should at least get 1 per expansion. Really hope June’s twist is a home run, new hero powers makes me think it will be the most unique one so far

Reno Loneranger is THE card that makes me want to drop this game again, it sucks that no one is allowed to play the game past turn 7-8 cause you know that nothing you play will stick, which is especially frustrating with Sargeras portal or Rheastrazsa nest it's like they don't even exist as options. Worst part about it is that most people seem to love this card exactly because it just erases fun and makes keep playing miserable.

@skinnykruemel

2 ай бұрын

I'm with you there. I play him because he's too strong not to run in literally everything that either draws a lot or is highlander to begin with. But I hate the card. Something needs to change

I really like this kind of videos, and I don't think anyone would say: oh you are just complaining, when the meta is this bad. I used to finish in top 500-100 at least every month, and now not even play till I hit legend. But if something would change, and the meta would be awesome, and Marshie do a video about that, I am sure I would watch that one with the same enjoyment as this. Thx for the content 🫶

Breaking your sunglasses while hugging people is the most Marshie thing I’ve heard today ❤

@MartianBuu

2 ай бұрын

🤣

I like the talk show type of video. That time you rambled about chocolate ice cream was quite funny. I'm currently having fun with your garrote pirate rogue, thanks for making that video.

Keep up the good work Martian. The wild meta will always be broken

As common as it is that Quest Mage still exists is the failure of Team 5 in my eyes. Mine Rogue is regarded but the small blessing is that it is not that common below Legend.

Hello Martian! I've been trying to make a handbuff paladin deck-using things like Seafloor Savior dredging Azerite Chain Gang to make three 6/7s on turn 4, but I've been having limited success making it particularly effecrive. How would you build something like that in today's Hearthstone meta?

@MartianBuu

2 ай бұрын

Lots of draw, lots of charge, best handbuff effects. Deputization Aura nerf was a rough hit for the archetype unfortunately.

I had a lot of fun playing twist. I won several Highkeeper Ra games. Lol.

I played even unholy DK and got to legend last month The new sing along buddy and zilliax are so good you can just go all in and cut almost all 4 drops

I've lost my last two pairs of prescription sunglasses in the past 2 years so I feel yaa lol

bruh I was making a video talking about this 10 hours ago X_X but then got tired and fell asleep good thing martian said what needs to be said.

Great vid! What about even shaman? Is it still performing the same?

@BigChimpEnergy

2 ай бұрын

No it's not. Corbett posts a tier list at least once or twice a month in his Discord, because he has access to the backend data from Vicious Syndicate and currently Even Shaman is either bottom of tier 3 or 4, can't remember which.

@thethinkinlad

2 ай бұрын

@@BigChimpEnergy tier 4. honestly surprised as the deck is close to getting me back into top 200 after not playing for a while and slipping into 10x mmr.

@Zakading

2 ай бұрын

It can still work. Played it to Legend myself last month. The meta was already fairly similar, though there were more Garotte Rogues than now.

@MartianBuu

2 ай бұрын

Its worse than it was, the priest stuff and half the rogue stuff is really good into it.

Yeah Honestly I would prefer they just do some radical adjustments to get rid of the most uninteractive cards. Often. Make time warp once per game. Ban raise dead. Ban gloop. Change the rush guy with weapon death rattle interaction in bomb rogue. Revert order of the court nerf. Change the Coldarra drake +Reno hero power interaction. Rework warlock quest so that it has counterplay. Potentially ban wheel of death. Just from the top of my head. Don't care if that means other broken stuff pops up. Just some radical changes to prevent turn 5 OTKS, infinite turns or OTKs without basically any setup. Then after one or two months evaluate and do something else. Obviously wont happen haha.

i’m personally having quite a good time in wild with garrote rogue right now, I for now have a 74% winrate, hope I won’t get bored of the deck though

During my climb, I used the new hound cards + the location for beast hunter. Fun climb until you face zarimi priests.

I am surprised you didn't mention about Miracle Druid, that is pretty similar to Mine Rougue

@petrjara7559

2 ай бұрын

Miracle Druid does nothing at least for first 4 turns and you can just rush him because it doesn't even have any removal or you play 1 razorscale and it's GG as as said he can't deal with it. Miracle Druid has 52.7% WR in Wild Legend, Mine Rogue 62.5%

@XilPrivChannel

2 ай бұрын

I mained miracle druid to high legend, its countered by any mage deck. Countered by razorscale, countered by too much health and no minion play, countered by shaman. Its just fast, so you can win before some of that happens. Much more fair then mine rogue

@MartianBuu

2 ай бұрын

I think it should be changed but I dont run into it enough for it to bother me. It currently sucks cause Quest Mage bodies it and aggro Priest gets under it. Funny enough, I would guess its more likely to get a change than the other anyway.

I agree, time warp to six mana and reworking naval mine into a battlecry could go a long way

@wraxiusgaming

2 ай бұрын

Those are both very poor ideas. Time Warp at 6 mana is very easy to just go infinite with parrots (again), and naval mine being a battlecry makes no sense when its design is an egg card but it deals damage instead of summoning minions. The problem card is Snowfall triggering so many times with necrium blade, and the issue with Time Warp is how many times you can replay it for infinite turns. You need to change those aspects of those cards.

I agree, sticky fingers has been way to oppressive for far too long. In fact it should give your opponent a free weapon.

my homebrew Renethal Big Demon Warlock is my guilty pleasure right now, it's not a meta destroyer, but it's really fun and I am climbing with it

@ecky8959

2 ай бұрын

Do you have a list to share? Got into the game again 3 weeks ago because of Marshie Videos. Would like to play some warlock in wild (its the only class where i got enough stuff to play wild) but I dont like the Quest stuff

@krystofmares8857

2 ай бұрын

@@ecky8959 I shared it on the discord, it's the latest deck in deck review :)

@ecky8959

2 ай бұрын

@@krystofmares8857 ah thank you, wasn't aware that there's a discord

Yeah I would be happy if they gut naval mine and open the waygate.

Hi martian!!! At the moment, at legend, i'm playing a lot the dragon druid list (spectacular deck) and some warrior decks that i made... warrior is my favourite class (with lock) but nowadays garrosh is crying...... :(

On a side note referring to reno, I hate how it partially negates any kind of deathrattle strategy. At its core its a even better neutral polymorph effect. They might as well bring back Tinkmaster while were at it, he was at least more interesting.

@ph1lny3

2 ай бұрын

Minor peeve, but it also doesn't generate corpses. Has ruined some chances for me to counter-lethal with my even DK w/ sing-along + grave strength the turn after the standoff on occasion (sometimes I don't get enough plagues to deactivate Reno effects, RIP). I think my least favorite aspect of the card is it isn't like OG or Amazing Reno where it's only really good defensively. Sometimes it's used in a win-more fashion to ensure you never get to recover, especially with recursion like Shudder shaman.

Logged in to get a quest done today. Faced mine rogue, then quest mage. Logged off. Done for today.

"You can`t play the dragon tutor spell in Shadow Priest." The ETC in my Dragon Shadow Priest deck has a different opinion.

I just feel like twist is doomed to fail...

Definitely hear you on the woes of Twist. I was initially excited as well, but they've fumbled it over and over. I've stopped playing Hearthstone for the time being, for about two expansions now, and I'm just enjoying other games that I never could find the time to before. On a different note, I don't think you get to complain about Quest Mage if you're a Shudderwock enjoyer. That card ruined Standard for me, and I've never recovered.

@MartianBuu

2 ай бұрын

I also enjoy playing Quest Mage but I advocate for its nerf anyway. I also pushed really hard for a long time to get the murloc package nerfed for Shudderwock. I understand the difference between enjoying what I can enjoy within a meta and what I think is actually good for the game. “You like something I don’t like so you cant complain” is a cringe take that makes no sense since we all enjoy different things.

@1989pacmaniac

2 ай бұрын

@@MartianBuu My mistake Mr. Buu, it was intended to be a bit more of a lighthearted jab, but I'll take responsibility that it wasn't clearly stated. No real disdain was meant. Though I really didn't like Shudderwock in its heyday, I don't begrudge anyone liking what they like. Love seeing your content as usual, and hope to see it for many more years.

@MartianBuu

2 ай бұрын

@1989pacmaniac my bad, I take things too seriously 🥱 thanks for watching!

Kinda why I stopped the ladder and started playing arena for a while now. Just rushing to diamond 5 or legend if I feel like or/and on a win streak with some luck in the first few days of every month and then I stop the ladder and just go for arena runs tbh. Trying to play ladder, whether standard or wild, has been a challenge for me I would say for a year now. Everything has an expiration date and perhaps it's about time to quit as it stopped being fun anymore which is what games are all about in the first place but then I know I'd still return and be upset about the cosmetics I lost during my break 😂 and that's exactly what blizzard aims for. Trying to lock people up and milk wallets as much as they can.

Dude. You are 100% correct

Wheel warlock does good against quest mage, but it would be nice to play other slow decks

i think reno (and all highlander for that matter) should have start of game: if ur deck has no duplicates but i do thin reno should go to 9 or 10 or symmwtrical

@patrickkwon3351

2 ай бұрын

i think naval mine should b nuked, demon seed exclude fatigue

Wild shot here but Id recommend trying out the new STAR WARS TCG: unlimited. It has a lot of what made early HS great.

@MartianBuu

2 ай бұрын

I totally want to but I dont have the friend group to support more irl tcgs 😭

Funny enough I’ve been hating standard so wild has been a blast, been playing mystery egg hunter and burgle excavate rogue to surprising success. (Egg hunter is sleeper op/viable)

@mattsonepiece-

2 ай бұрын

Do you have a list for egg hunter? I’d be willing to play that

@jeroenslaghout

2 ай бұрын

Yeah man, dont leave us hanging, whats the list? 😅

@Zakading

2 ай бұрын

Give us the sauce, my man

@broloomjohnson8172

2 ай бұрын

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Hey hey looks like all the cards you talked about got changed

Agree

Yeah, naval mine rogue killing me on turn four or five with very little counterplay is silly and stupid to me. I don't know what I would change about it but I don't think it's a very fair thing to play against.

I despise Reno too

Would reworking open the waygate to "eight different spells that didnt start in your deck" put it closer to its original lolsorandom spirit? Coins and biscuits only count once, youd need a second flame and a twinspell. I think those are the only "optimal" spells that are generated, and it might bring back the cyclone version of the deck.

@MartianBuu

2 ай бұрын

If just put once per game on it

best video

I’ve played a lot of wild this season (11x) and I see at least 10% quest mage, sometimes up to 20% depending on the day. It’s grueling and I hate playing against the deck. It’s just so unfun even when I win. I would be so happy for Waygate to get hit, even if it meant mage would sadly be Garbo for the foreseeable future.

It was scientifically proven that one minute of Hearthstone shortens your life by 3 minutes

Your picture reminds me how awful things in Wild currently are: Rommath, 8 Mana Reno, the new Time Warp Dragon. It's getting worse and worse. Instead of nerfing Time Warp, they bring Parrot back with the new 10 Mana spell. So Rats and Theotar doesn't help against QM anymore. You need Ash Elemental to beat the Iceblock. "But hey, Time Warp is so much fun to play against - let's give it to another class!" Can't understand todays developers. In the past they said: "We look how it feels to play against a deck too." Reno just smiles about this...

I wonder if blizzard is scared to make any kind of move with twist since they've failed with their other modes. But it wouldn't matter because the mode is so financially inviable.

I just insta quit games against quest mage, quest lock, mine rouge and the new priest dragon stuff

Can't play duels now either....

Can we just go back to the time when only Marshie played quest mage? Cmon Blizz, make it happen 🙏

@MartianBuu

2 ай бұрын

💯

I will just say that up until very recently I've been able to hit legend in Wild with custom built homebrew decks, and now I can't -- or at least not without a lot of effort, given that I have a pretty limited time to play and am not a streamer or anything who plays hours daily. So as someone who doesn't enjoy netdecking, both Wild and Standard feel much less fun given these preferences -- and unfortunately it's been persistently trending in the "wrong" direction for quite a while now (again, for players like myself). The designers have been persistently adding obvious synergistic packages that make deck building a lot less creative for me, and the sheer number and power level of these packages has reached a point where it's increasingly challenging to build your own decks and feel like you can compete.

Before the expansion I was doing reasonably well with a Reno denathrius dh just because kurtrus is an instant win against combo decks like mine rogue. But I was bored of wild anyway because it's just an awful experience when there are so many OTK and when they're not OTK they are something like Reno shaman or questline lock which don't let you play the game. I think they should do nerfs way more often, I don't want the refund for wild cards if that helps them

Theres a chance that i'll miss tonight's stream, can you (or others) answer a few qsts? Why soo many renathal/normal reno shudder lists stopped runnning the furgl/tox combo? Is there a realistic chance for a non anti-combo reno hunter to smorc the meta tyrants you mentioned?

@MartianBuu

2 ай бұрын

Flurgl/Tox is expensive and harder to find in a larger deck that values Mutanus and Toxfin. A bunch of them are running Cactus Cutter too, so you dont find the combo consistently enough. Shaman also has a lot of good aoe options now, so its not as reliant. Yeah, Reno Hunter is apparently pretty decent. I dont have a list but I think someone hit rank 1 recently. They had OG reno in the etc though, which I think is a little silly.

My first first

Unironically this is the most fun I've had with this iteration of quest mage. It has more ways of winning so it's not just a one dimensional game of solitaire every single time. I really don't like the state of priest because the time warp dragon and aggro doesn't feel like they align with the class identity (I know blizzard hasn't cared about that for a long time though)

@mattsonepiece-

2 ай бұрын

Oh the irony

@Zakading

2 ай бұрын

I wouldn't mind Quest Mage as much if the deck was actually still aiming to win with the quest instead of spitting in my face for 8 damage every turn until I'm dead 3 minutes later.

Personally I find Mage unpleasant like any man of culture, so I like to play counter them with Renathal Reno Paladin and Miracle Rogue with Edwin, I enjoy them and I feel I can beat many decks with these decks, they are fun and quite relevant. I always get around the Top 1000 in Wild btw.

I’m playing even druid in wild and it is super fun and has a chance against every deck. Quest mage is the worst matchup so i agree with the marshie

Back in un'goro quest for mage got realised I quit the game for months because I was so annoyed by the fact that I was just watching enemy play the game and now... its back

@BigChimpEnergy

2 ай бұрын

What do you mean "now it's back"? The deck has been a thing ever since Parrot was introduced and you could take like 6 turns in a row. Then they nerfed Parrot and immediately fucking made Rommath the very next set. We got a less than 1 month gap when Quest Mage was dead until it came back from the dead.

@marcinmolitor3834

2 ай бұрын

@BigChimpEnergy but it wasn't nearly as popular and it's wr got up significantly in recent months

@Zakading

2 ай бұрын

I've been playing without a break since launch. Quest Mage was never gone and is now a completely different beast from back in Un'goro. The original build(s) were focused on finishing the quest, then comboing off to win in the same turn. Now it's entirely about replaying TW over and over again and chipping the enemy down turn by turn.

As a low level wild player that's sad that Sire D was not reverted, I'm playing BBU DK with 65% WR over 40 games. I am at the level where I don't face that many Mine Rogues, more Quest Mages for whom the dirty rats are a sometimes good enough answer. There are a lot of pet cards that I'm sure can be optimized AAEBAfHhBA7p0ASX7wSrgAXipAXNpQWT+wXt/wWLkgaXlQbHpAa9sQbBsQbm5Qav9AYN9OMElOQE2fEEh/YEsvcEs/cEtvoEg5IGkZcG0Z4GkqAGu7EGvLEGAAED8LMGx6QG9LMGx6QG6d4Gx6QGAAA=

I just finished playing like a 25 minute match against a Reno priest with a Reno warrior, and I got say, not fun. Watching them spend like 15 mana a turn as they slowly hero power you down, against a warrior, even if you survive a zarimi turn, just felt like a waste of time.

I for one, am not having a good time in Legend

Pretty sure Martian is looking for a standoff...

chumbus

I hate mine rogue and quest mage too. I also hate how much theotar has shown up more. For me personally theo is the single most toxic card in history. I really think it needs to be reworked or nerfed to like 8 mana to make it unplayable. Your point about Twist I think is a similar reason Duels failed in the long run: it required people to have cards. The game is so old now and gating the accessibility for fun game modes to having cards that most players aren't going to have just isn't going to work. Most standard players are dusting their wild cards and the reward for crafting them again and playing non wild modes just isn't worth it. I'm not saying give away every wild card for free. I understand the need for a bottom line. But at least for Duels they should have had most cards available because of the entry fee. With Twist I understand it might be more complicated but I think they could have given away a lot and had way more engagement with it. Getting people to play it was the first and most important step and I think that was a huge barrier to it because standard players were basically never going to play it.

@Zakading

2 ай бұрын

I agree that Theo is annoying as hell, but (un?)fortunately, he helps against Mine Rogue and other OTK bullshittery. If those kinds of decks weren't as oppressively overrepresented, Theotar would also not be.

hold up guys Marshie’s having a Venti moment

@settrasurfs1780

2 ай бұрын

Ehe

A bit surprised you hate Reno so much. I think unless your deck is based on deathrattles or ressurecting he's ok. Also why Theotar? I honestly hate anything that manipulates with opponent's (not yet played) cards but Theotar is just another card to the package so if you are ok with the rest...

@Zakading

2 ай бұрын

Reno fucks any minion-based deck over, not just deathrattles and resurrects. Also, his hero power is just way out of whack and far too consistently powerful.

I'm a Rogue player and I love Deathrattle stuff, but the second you can combo someone in hand with 3 cards, and one set up card, it needs a MASSIVE nerf. Mine Rogue is obnoxious and it always was. The fact that literally less than a year ago I was playing for an OWL OTK that I need to at least get to turn 7 or 8, if I drew well, and then if I needed a set up to get it perfect says a lot when you can kill from hand with minimal effort in Mine Rogue. Both the Rush minion and Mine can be nerfed and I think it would leave a more healthy play pattern. It's not the OTK that's the problem, it's the effort and consistency is easy to get. As far as Quest Mage goes, yeah, terrible. It has a mid game finish, and even if they aren't able to kill you, they use any numbers of ways to copy or replay the quest reward and it's over. You can't win the early game, you can't win the late game. Even if you win, you have to sit through so many animations and turns... So yeah, you aren't wrong. I also don't like the Priest stuff, but for now, I focused on these things because extra turns should only happen once per game. Just gonna put that out there. Edit: I have an issue with headphones cause I use them almost every second of the day, even at work. They are classic apple headphones that only last 4-7 months and I get upset every time. D: so yeah, I feel you about the sunglasses thing

It seems like we've reverted back 2022s situation where aggro and combo were king. Before WW though, I managed to hit legend in the February season (and the bot ban!) with 'Pirate-mine' rogue, truly a hybrid deck of all time. However it was a long grind to hit legend. I think I managed to keep my vs Even Shaman around 50%. Best matchup was fatigueline warlock and worst was Rhaman?RQM. I think I could hit legend again this season with garotte or mine/piratemine but I know I'd get frustrated by the Ice Blocks, Zarimis and garottes

How do we get blizzard to take action? Wild has always been an afterthought for the devs~

Wild right now is just solitaire, it's OTK rouge vs OTK druid vs take-an-extra-turn mage vs take-an-extra-turn priest. I've been a wild player for a long time but right now I don't want to touch the format.

Quest mage, mine rogue and Forbidden fruit Druid are the worst ngl.

Funniest thing about this the ‘devs’ dont give a 💩 too busy making diamond portraits. Standard isnt any better, unless you like seeing plague dk and dh everygame. If they didnt say it was an anniversary. Noone would know

Honestly I feel like Hearthstone haven’t given any true deep pleasure to any if it’s players and real fans. It can be seen in your videos that you aren’t enjoying the game just as most of us

I swear no one likes reno lone ranger. What a mistake they made printing it