Valve is like that dad who doesn't do much or says much...but when it does, its always something really fucking important

@he5078

10 ай бұрын

He's just like my dad (except that last part I guess)

@VengeanceCore

10 ай бұрын

Well thats sad :( I hope you get a better dad next time.

@navdeepsingh3508

10 ай бұрын

@@VengeanceCore dw that was just analogy. My actual dad was good however long he was alive

@somefish9147

10 ай бұрын

​@@VengeanceCorebro said next time

@KelaBeats

10 ай бұрын

Yeah. A bad dad.

The thing that valve was afraid of happening happened, the tournaments became non-competitive and focused more on bringing in more money, the result? Top and popular teams became tired and lower tier or less popular teams had lower chance of competing on tournaments.

@rob-q-

10 ай бұрын

this comment is a summary of the clip you just watched? what..

@Goombaki

10 ай бұрын

@@rob-q-it’s bro’s diary just let him be

@Simtalnius

10 ай бұрын

expected stupidity from weeb

@jenishyy1

10 ай бұрын

Its becoming boring to see same teams over and over

@damdegee

10 ай бұрын

Nice try

This is exactly why I and a lot of people *stopped* watching tournaments. Keeping the same big teams didnt make it more appealing, it made it boring. Watching underdogs fight against legendary teams is exciting, even if they lose you can appreciate the underdog teams skill and effort, and it acted as a beacon for players who aspire to earn their way to a T1 spot. Corporations killed CS a long time ago for many of us. I miss the days where CS tournaments were about CS and not money.

@pkrent3461

8 ай бұрын

LAN tournaments 😢

@ADreamingTraveler

7 ай бұрын

I used to sometimes tune in to watch comp CSGO a long long time but you're right. It didn't take even the more casual players long to realize that the biggest tournaments were just the same couple people playing against eachother again and again with the same teams participating. It was obvious it was all about connections and the money to these orgs and tournament holders.

@Azaqa

7 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, its not viable to just run events for fun. Players need to get paid, the orgs that pay them need to make profit, the companies running events need to make money. You cant just have these massive events losing millions every time, how is that meant to work? Anyone who isnt delusional or blinded by nostalgia will tell you how much more exciting the CS events in 2017-2023 are compared to older events that were often online. Not only was there much less hype and much lower production quality, the actual level of the gameplay was infinitely lower. Some random top 100 team today that nobody even watches would 16-0 the best teams of 2014 over and over. This constant improvement wouldnt be possible without a whole industry supporting the players.

@Scyborg832

6 ай бұрын

@@Azaqa I think we can likely find a system where both the needs of the players and the integrity of the sport are both met, can we not? Valve making these guidelines is the first step. The next step is the organizers figuring out how to balance it while maintaining the integrity of the game. In my opinion. The integrity of the game is more important than the furthering of the scene. If the scene dies, so be it. At least it won't be bastardized by corporate interests. The organizers put themselves above the players. We could have a world where the players are supported and the tournaments are fair. But organizers want to be the main benefactor of it. That's the issue. I'm not blaming them for wanting to turn a profit off of it, but the CS scene needs an organizer that's willing to take small profits opposed to big ones in the name of the sport. And if that's unrealistic, and it probably is, then what's the point of even playing the sport to be honest besides selling people a false reality of what professional CS is? It's less than a competition and more of a popularity contest, like the NFL.

@Azaqa

6 ай бұрын

@@Scyborg832 I dont think you are living in reality. ESL operates at a loss, probably every TO does.

The thing is that the orgs really set themselves up for this. When you have a tournament system like this where the same teams are basically guaranteed a spot due to their visibility and presence, a problem occurs that a lot of people aren't prepared for. These teams are well known and GUARANTEED a spot; which means there's less need for the teams to stay good and stay on top of the latest strategies. It allows for a type of stagnation to occur; you have the same teams facing each other with very similar results, because no one feels a need to really improve. You still get paid, regardless of how well you do or place. And because the teams have, essentially, stagnated and gotten complacent, it allows for a team of underdogs to come in and show them what for. Because said underdogs are going to come in with a specific strategy for every single team they could face. Because these teams are well known and popular, their favorite strategies are, likely, also well known. Said underdogs will be prepared for those teams and have counter strategies to use against them. But because these underdog teams are a lot smaller, it's unlikely the big teams will have even heard of these smaller teams, much less have strategies to beat them. They'll just fall back on their stagnated, complacent strategies, so they fall right into the trap and get humiliated. It shows that when you're guaranteed a spot in the biggest tournaments and a big payout regardless of results, you don't really put a lot more effort into improving your game. Why would you need to? It's not like some team of lesser players is going to come out of nowhere and show the entire world you're a sham. After all, who would possibly care about shaking things up? Well, apparently, Valve cared. And you do NOT want the creators of the game you're making money off of to be staring you down like that. They might just do something to remind you who is the boss here.

@kolman3178

9 ай бұрын

well said. business safety breeds complacency and risk aversion.

@HappyBeezerStudios

8 ай бұрын

Reminds me of the FIFA world cup a couple years back, where 8 teams were placed in advance, one in each of the 8 brackets of the group phase. They were the host and some of the most successful teams. And putting them into different groups means we don't get the super tight record champion vs record champion matches before it even goes into eliminations.

@LaidbackLukee

8 ай бұрын

how would/did it get stagnant with qualifiers, 8 random teams had their chance multiple times each year. the top 10 we know were the top 10 for a reason, they were simply the best, maybe t1 csgo in general got stagnant but they were still playing current "metas" or whatever the teams thought was best. however much its all about money, the teams are at the top because of skill, cant buy skill

@Zombie1Boy

8 ай бұрын

I am absolutely shocked, shocked (!!!) that a game that only has a small rotation of maps, of which people tend to play the same 3-4 maps for the past... 20 years (?) -- that they could possibly get complacent

@chriskimball4893

8 ай бұрын

@@Zombie1Boy It's not like there isn't reason to consider this and there hasn't been other tournament scenes that had similar things happen. When you have everyone playing in a certain way, with no real changes, things can happen that make everyone look like fools. Consider when Hungrybox started becoming huge in Smash Bros Melee. Until he started playing, the preferred playstyle in Melee was hit it hard, hit it fast. This means the most used characters and stages allowed for this playstyle, with people rushing each other down and the game became an almost metagame of 'who can out-prioritize the other', so the most used characters would be Fox and Marth, since their priority was so much higher than most characters. Then along comes Hungrybox, playing as an aerial character who slowed the pace of combat, playing off of people's impatience to draw them into traps. And he proceeded to school just about everyone. From there, people started messing around with other characters, forcing the meta to change more and more as new playstyles suddenly were preferable to just rushing each other down.

It's refreshing to know that a goliath company like Valve cares more about its community than the money they make, When Gabin passes the torch, I hope he picks the best hand to take it.

@jewels3846

8 ай бұрын

I was straight up telling my partner the other day when OWL ended that how Valve handled CSGO esport leagues is why it survived and OWL didnt. Owl wanted the success and money from the start. I lost interest when it turned out teams were completely different rosters most of the time each season instead of building a team identity. I havent watched pro CGI in a few years but the last time I did I could still cheer NIP because they held the same identity. Even when players left and newer ones joined (poor Allu got so memed on haha) it wasnt like a team overhaul but a natural moving on.

@user-nr3nq3ns8j

8 ай бұрын

Fun fact, they don't really have to please investors since valve is privately owned company. That's why they care about their community.

@saintient

8 ай бұрын

Sure Valve is better than other companies however they aren't any good either. You might think they do this thing always when the truth is they're hard to reach and barely communicates with the community. Pros and fans have love/hate relationship with Valve. (csgo/dota2)

@dxcSOUL

8 ай бұрын

​@@saintientSeems like they care more about ethics than pleasing anyone. That's fine with me.

@terrordoidao8931

8 ай бұрын

​@@user-nr3nq3ns8jYes and no. Valve owns the biggest gaming online Store, Valve convinced Sony to sell their games on it, Valve convinced Microsoft to sell their games on it. Steam Machine is a solid product and is doing well. Apparently Valve doesnt need investors to grow.

I went into this video thinking you had a couple hundred thousand subs, but I’m surprised to find out that you have less than 4000. It seemed like a video from someone with 500k, keep up the good work! I’d like to see more of this

@O_79

10 ай бұрын

exactly what i thought too

@matheusmonteiro5205

10 ай бұрын

same here, awesome work, morr of this please

@Simtalnius

10 ай бұрын

that's cause you dont realize most of the info is wrong

@idocare6538

9 ай бұрын

100% - Hope this channel blows up!

@kellymicheal7256

9 ай бұрын

​@@SimtalniusWould be nice if you could back that claim with some pointers on the errors so we could be aware of mistakes

Valve did a great job on preventing CSGO becoming a bureaucracy of big orgs like ESL and BLAST. Hopefully, CS2 will be just like before in 2014, open qualifiers and minors.

@xArsVivendi

10 ай бұрын

let's just hope the inevitable lower price pools of tournaments and lower salaries for players wont push pros away towards valulrant

@GiantFlamingClasher

9 ай бұрын

@@xArsVivendi It would never get to that point. All else fails, cs majors can start to crowdfund for larger pools like dota.

@hoofed3096

9 ай бұрын

@@GiantFlamingClasherthis and valorant’s scene isn’t much better, thr partnered orgs are currently heavily cutting pay, even EG, which won champions in august, are making players choose between paycuts or being a free agent

@Dizpiz569

9 ай бұрын

​@hoofed3096 is naw wtf 💀, and valorant players be acting confused wondering why we shit on their game lmfao.

@HarambaeXelonmuskfans

9 ай бұрын

@@hoofed3096 That’s cool and all but you’re just speaking in moonspeak

It still shock me how this channel only had 3k subscribers with this packed content.

@Satellite-qu3eu

10 ай бұрын

It is english version of a russian channel, which has lots more subs

@deeplerg7913

9 ай бұрын

the channel is well-funded by their servers, so they can afford high quality. I think it's mostly for promotion

@ThatPianoNoob

8 ай бұрын

Really? Half these segments are just fucking filler.. But the same can be said about the most popular channels so maybe they should fit right in.

@ITFNBiteBayKon

8 ай бұрын

For a start a shirt video that actually manages to talk about nothing we didn't already know for the whole le gth of the video, added to that a shitty click bait title.

@Yourfeelingsdonotmatter

8 ай бұрын

They have twice that now, but it's a niche single game channel, those aren't always huge. There's exceptions of course.

And then when these smaller teams "overachieve", their players just get poached and ends these small franchises keeping the cycle tier 1 gatekeeping. But tbf blast + esl do put on amazing productions.

One thing I noticed in the last years tournament was that the teams competing over the top spots or just present at the tournament were always the same. But I didn't pay much attention into that. Now everything makes sense, thanks for the video!

Very good video, explained the situation very well for anyone out of the loop, but was also very informational for someone who already knows about the situation without making the video tedious, great job!

This is exactly the kind of video that creators fear to make, because it's controversial and niche, and they don't think it'll perform well. However, if they decide to do it anyway, they get rewarded rightfully so. What a banger video - we need more of these!

@NocturnalPyro

9 ай бұрын

Dude has less than 10k subs, and the video got more than 300k views, I'm positive that this video wasn't a failure.

@GuidingOlive

8 ай бұрын

@@NocturnalPyro That's what he's saying. That videos that creators are scared to make (because they are controversial and niche) often end up being rewarded for doing so. I don't even watch/play CS:GO and yet here I am. Because it's a nice little video essay on how a problem came to be for this competitive sport.

very interesting, I'm glad to see some professionally produced content covering the inner workings of competitive cs.

First time seeing your channel - this was great info and I appreciate videos like this! Some deep dives on teams would be cool also! thanks

First time the mighty algo has raised you to my feed. Great stuff. For someone who witnessed the early days of online gaming and esports, to see the level that these events have grown to (and the money around the business of esports), utterly blows my mind.

a great video! glad you decided to go for it, it's been a significant issue in the scene.

This was randomly suggested and WOW - I cannot believe how much content was packed into it! Well done CYBERSHOKE - +1 subscriber!

I've been busy and it makes me very much appreciate the summary in this video with great editing. Please do more of this!

Really awesome video! So interesting to hear the details and analysis of the situation! I had noticed these changing things about which teams were qualifying and had only a vague understanding of why. Thank you for explaininh the full picture! Subbed.

This is a great breakdown of the minutiae of what was immediately observable in watching recent tournaments - that the tier 2 teams were just playing more than the tier 1 teams due to the necessity of playing a lot of smaller tournaments for prize money and sponsorship awareness. I really loved this video. Please make more like this. Considering it's 5 times more popular than your next most viewed video, it seems like the audience is responding well, too.

Dang… I didn’t know any of that… also your video is so well put together. I’m sorry you presume you won’t get as many views on this because it’s such a good video.

i like a Valve decision. in Major everyone should have a chance to play even an underdog team.

Valve actually did something right for once. Not only is it not fair for smaller teams, but it’s embarrassing at a major when tier 2 teams are crushing everyone. Good move all around 👍

@Dominus_Potatus

10 ай бұрын

what do you mean for once? I might be living under the rock because I rarely hear negative news about valve.

@thomasshelby5454

10 ай бұрын

put that tier 2 teams on the same circuit with faze,g2,navi,vitality tier1 team, im pretty sure they will get crush 8/10, major or not its just 1 tournament, and 1 tournament doesnt determine that they are "consistent" enough to challenge tier1 team. facts is after major they all tier2 team back to their habitat getting crush with tier1 team or even no namer team.

@semafreak

10 ай бұрын

"Valve actually did something right for once" stop smoking all that crack,Valve are one of the few companies that don't shaft their fan-base every chase they get to milk money.This dude.

@xxshotxx1

10 ай бұрын

@@semafreak relax my guy. I just meant smaller orgs are getting their chance:

@vexed2558

10 ай бұрын

@@thomasshelby5454 i agree. This kind of thing makes unfair for the tier 1 teams since they dont have much data against tier 2 team while tier 2 teams have years of data and time to prepare for those team. Thats why we see a lot of upsets in major, especially on bo1s between tier 1 and tier 2 teams

As someone who doesn't play CS, nor watch it, I think you did a great job on this video. I am into the esports scene, so I am grateful that you presented this in a well thought out way and understandable to someone not in your scene.

Such an underrated channel keep up the good work

@patrickwinther

10 ай бұрын

It's insane. Something will happen about it! So yes keep it up!!

Thanks for the video! I read the most recent update and felt it was going to change everything but never knew the whole context and now I do :D

Fantastic video. Not entirely what I expected to learn when I read the title, but very glad I clicked.

S-Tier Channel, W content, godlike entertainment

@cybershokeEN

10 ай бұрын

Thanks bro!

Excellent video. I didn't really understand that all of this was as connected as it apparently is.

Very nice video! Great script and narration!

Awesome quality video! Can't wait to see the next one!

Man I hope y’all make more videos like this, I really enjoyed it!

Sweet, props to Valve for this. Glad to see them doing something good for the scene

This was a fascinating video; please make more of these!

Terrific insight into the Counterstrike community. Excellent footage and well paced. Definitely a win.

Explained the situation really well, great video :)

Subbed because of this video. Explained and presented very well!

Valve sees the bigger picture, the fact that competitiveness is a main part of counter strike and that anyone can make get to a major is more important than some money grabbing org who got lazy. Teams should come and go like the early days and it will be great for CS2 to see some new teams and innovative counter strike.

Thanks for the effort put into this video! Loved it! Liked & subscribed!

Thanks for breaking this down so well, great video!

Gonna be super interesting to see how the events go and who will play in the coming years. Glad they stepped it.

Good little rundown of the changes unknown soldier

this is a good video keep this quality and you will have tons of subs before you know it

Great work by Valve by calling out financial gate keeping!

To put esl and blast in the same bucket is so naive, blast is fully franchised with just one open qual slot but esl events had many open qual spots

@DjAkho

10 ай бұрын

thats too complicated, just blast them all in same bracket ezpz

@Doflaminguard

9 ай бұрын

They still do the same though, being partners through contracts vs underdogs that arent partners without a spot.

Glad to see you growing

heard about the major but i didn’t really pay attention to it. thx for the video to give me a recap about it

Well researched and well paced vid. You earned a sub dude. Good job.

This is the kind of video that is enticing, Relevant and informative. Especially with the release oc CS2, this is needed more than ever to understand the next few majors and it's increase or decline

Great video, thanks for sharing!

very interesting analysis of the situation, thx !

Nice and quality content, keep up the good work!

S-tier video from an obscure S-tier channel, will start watching all your videos and keep up the great work!

Damn great video. Definitely make more of these analyses, just wish this video had a less corporate feel

Just found your channel. Loving this content!

Actually liked the more indepth analysis, more of this pls!

This video deserves some recognition!

the video is high quality and entertaining, picked topic is also interesting. well done

This video is fantastic absolutely you deserve more views. This is AAA quality!!!!

Good video, stock footage was a bit too flashy for my taste.

Great video, amazing production work.

Most underrated Channel on KZread. Keep it up guys!

Really good info! you deserve more subscribers

Fully agree. Especially at the end of the season is super boring watching the same teams playing each other. In Blast even format is created in the way you can't be eliminated and team very often plays against each other couple of times at the same tournament. It is silly.

great video very entertaining. keep it up!

This channel should have atleast a 250K sub...high effort content!

never seen you before but this video is great, i'd do more videos like this

"we suspect this one might not get a lot of views" yea that didn't go as planned

Short Feedback: This is top content. way better than most videos about CS.

Nice video!

I hope this gets a lot of views, cuz it is a great video and i would love more like this

great video keep it up also nice servers

hope to see more videos similar to this one because im subscribing!!

awesome video!

I think in general, having a level playing field brings the best results. Eventually things will cement either way, with the best players playing for the best teams, which will be and stay well known. In fact it could very well increase the pay for the players as a team is only worth something if they win.

Awesome Vid!

I want to see more! Subbed

I really liked this video. I think some anylistic/informative videos from time to time are a great idea.

new to the channel but seems cool, good video concept

You can't have full franchise in majority of sports as it creates it's own bubble in the end where you get sucked into it too much. Having 50/50 (half teams in franchise and half not) system in my mind is the best what you can have. You still can develop a business model and revenue from the franchise aspect as you are guarantee that big names are always going to be present and you will always get pure talent and still to your biggest tournament from non franchise teams. And it ensures that the franchised teams have to push themself to the limit.

this is a really good video, please do more!

Good stuff man.

this is your best vid yet !

i really enjoyed this , thank u . only wish it was longer tbh :( anyway thank u for this

Really good, keep it up!

These are really good videos you guys are putting out. If you guys would take one criticism then try to make a story more like a attention arc. Setup, Climax and aftermath or resolution type story telling. The video is really great though from the production and as an essay being very informational. Good Job. Keep it going! Oh and boo partner, vip leagues!

Very interesting video. Top quality

What the hell, I didn’t know LockPickingLawyer was so invested in CS.

@contessa420

10 ай бұрын

Hahaha I can’t unhear it now

just played kz on your server for first time and youre top of my youtuber recommended. crazy

GIVE US MORE!!! Great video.

I needed video like this, I didn't know what was going on at all behind the scenes. It was weird to see the same players over and over. They seemed like gods but in reality even better players than them were locked behind paywall.

Oh you were so wrong about the video interest. Really enjoyed it, seemed well researched, and digestible for people who don't follow the scene very closely.

Great channel!

Making a "heart" with your hands earns you a free throat punch. Love the vid

Im glad theyre making it more possible for random teams to get onto the pro atage

Great stuff!

Great work brother

the beta for cs 2 released before the major. The top tier teams and players were basically guaranteed access to this, and probably spent some amount of time getting a head start on the version of the game that will impact them for years down the line.

Very good video - great insight.

Please more content like this!