“I’m in the Miraculous Ladybug fandom” I am so sorry.

@SnickerDoodleBug05

4 ай бұрын

I absolutely hate the timeline. In one school year they went from 10th grade to 8th grade to 9th grade

@mcyoinet3266

3 ай бұрын

I still can't believe that soccer episode with Chloé was actually real

@AntonioTheTurtle

3 ай бұрын

I am in the fandom as well and the show is just a slog but once you watched it once you must watch it all no matter what.

@mcyoinet3266

3 ай бұрын

@@AntonioTheTurtle I straight up couldn't continue after episode 18 of season 5

@averagecupofcoffee

3 ай бұрын

@@SnickerDoodleBug05 wdym?

“The miraculous Ladybug fandom”- Me: “Stop. That’s all you had to say.”

@Asexual_Individual

4 ай бұрын

This show needs to be on a bingo card.

@montserratmarroquin400

4 ай бұрын

The fact that they literally made a statue out of the TERRORIST (because he literally made people afraid of being sad or angry) will never not baffle me

@glam4663

4 ай бұрын

​@montserratmarroquin400 yes, because LB is a 'hero' and 'heroes keep thier promises' . Even if said promise was to a bad guy, because 'it's the right thing to do'

@abbycollins

4 ай бұрын

I legit started writing magical girl au fanfiction for the first time, because I was so done with how bad miraculous was. Akumatization is such an amazing concept, so why did it originate from a shitty show?

@hikari_drv3

4 ай бұрын

My exact thoughts. The show sucks

I feel like some fandoms have an issue with assuming "masculine woman" and "cis-het woman" are totally incompatible traits and that if a girl is a tomboy, she must also be trans and/or a lesbian Edit: As some of you have pointed out, feminine men have this issue as well

@friedhegg1994

3 ай бұрын

they've just reinvented the gender binary again

@pamelavergara3771

3 ай бұрын

Agree. In the vocaloid fandom some people want to reclaim the character v-flower as non binary, and that's ok... But you have to also let other people treat the character as a woman (canon gender) and don't get mad about it. There are so freacking few masculine woman characters and it's so damn frustrating when people can't refer to the character by she/her pronouns because some people will appear to try to correct you.

@denjidenji9162

3 ай бұрын

@pamelavergara3771 I think the vflower being nonbinary thing is also cause in the early days of vflower, everyone thought she was nb. I'm not sure why, but that's what it was, so I guess the people who still correct that simply never got the memo

@null9014

3 ай бұрын

@@pamelavergara3771 Personally, I saw her a couple of times and really liked her, but in the contexts I saw her she appeared more masculine so I thought that she was a boy. I've decided to just run with that because I can't be bothered to change how I think of her, she's a male to me.

@Granad784

3 ай бұрын

I never saw this, but i actually see the opposite a lot

People tends to forget that redemption isn't about becoming a nice/or good person or becoming a great friend to the protagonist, redemption is about someone did a terrible thing and try to amend for it's consequences. So yeah, all the terrible people deserve redemption, because its literally written for them.

@confusedfrog294

3 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@emiliabaran6830

3 ай бұрын

THIS, I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH

@montserratmarroquin400

3 ай бұрын

This is literally what people don’t understand about Catra (obviously she did bad and toxic things, nobody’s saying she didn’t, but the fact that she saw that she was wrong and changed is what give’s her redemption)

@Astraldragon0

3 ай бұрын

Actually that atonement.

@IceFireofVoid

3 ай бұрын

@montserratmarroquin400 Catra getting so much hate made me think and realize that, if we had a version of ATLA where we saw Iroh in his youth, everyone would hate him, say he was irredeemable and bash his redemption, because the things he has done prior to the events of the cartoon are so much more horrific than anything Catra ever did and he doesn't even have a traumatic backstory to explain his actions. He just was a terrible person, and then made the decision to do better after the loss of his son. And he is one of the most beloved characters in any work of fiction.

Gravity Falls: Mabel is not just there to support Dipper. She is her own person with agency of her own. It is not _wrong_ for her to want things for herself that don’t align with what Dipper wants. She has flaws, true, but so does everyone including Dipper. His own selfishness has led to disaster in the past. Remember the time he caused a zombie apocalypse to prove a point? Isn’t it odd how no one ever seems to harp on _that?_

@SnickerDoodleBug05

4 ай бұрын

... THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! plus... SHE IS A FREAKING TWELVE YEAR OLD, LET HER BE SELFISH WITHOUT MAKING HER SEEM LIKE A MONSTER(I commented something similar to this.)

@fluffystuff500

4 ай бұрын

I'm never going to forgive the way the Gravity Falls fandom treated Mabel. People go so far out of their way to demonize a 12 year old girl for being selfish and impulsive while ignoring the moments where Dipper is just as selfish and impulsive. Especially regarding Wendy. Which is because THEY'RE BOTH 12 YEARS OLD.

@aspillust

4 ай бұрын

MY GOD THANK YOU. mabel is my favorite character from gravity falls and i HATE HATE HATE how much the fandom slanders her. she's 12 fucking years old give her a break 💀

@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel

4 ай бұрын

She's also 12 years old like everyone was a little selfish at 12

@LanieMae

4 ай бұрын

I don’t know why but everywhere I go it’s always the young girl characters who are treated like vile monsters for just being kids, god forbid if they’re traumatised/a victim of a abuse because then they’re utterly irredeemable!

Reducing Aang's character to "dead beat dad" is also not quite right-- he was (and I can't stress this enough) _the LAST air bender._ The relationship with _the literal only other air bender in the world_ was never going to be healthy. No matter how much he might have cared for and loved his other children, passing on Air Bender culture rested almost _exclusively_ on Tenzin. He wasn't just favoring Tenzin because they got along. He was favoring Tenzin for the fate of an ENITRE CULTURE THAT SHOULD BE EXTINCT. It wasn't good, it did damage to his other children, it did damage to Katara, and it isn't an excuse for that damage, but it's hard to see it going any better.

@rubyr8922

4 ай бұрын

also we hear about Aang as a parent from the biased perspective of his adult children remembering their childhood, if you've ever had siblings you have exaggerated things for the sake of sibling rivalry, they seem more upset at each other than it is with Aang as a father, and at the end of the episode when Bumi, Kya and Tenzin found an old photo of them as children, they all agreed that they were a happy family. The bad times, all the childish scraps and the immature pranks, are burned into their minds as it would be with any moment of intense emotion, but there’s no doubt among them that they were loved equally.

@appletart7262

4 ай бұрын

I just wish Katara and Aang’s relationship wasn’t so ham fisted and they were properly developed in some way instead of “ooohhhh they’re kissing” like in the original show or the disaster of the comics. It’s one thing to portray a problematic relationship but the two main show runners for atla are insistent on them being the most wholesome loving relationship possible when everything screams the exact opposite, even if they did try to say something about Aang’s treatment of his kids in tlok. Any time someone points this out it falls on deaf ears and it drives me nuts because somehow their relationship is above criticism despite how poorly fleshed out it as a romance

@lakevalorr

4 ай бұрын

To add onto this, I feel like people forget that the entire Airbender Culture is *significantly* different from what we consider to be normal; Air Nomad children were temporarily raised in the Western and Eastern Air Temples before going to the Northern or Southern Air Temples to practice and train in Airbending techniques and Spirituality. (They were also segregated by gender, IIRC.) Aang never had parents; the closest person he had to a parental figure was Monk Gyatso. Obviously, someone who never had parents wouldn't really know how to parent as well as we think they should. (And before someone points out Zuko: yes, Ozai was an abusive and neglectful father, but Zuko still had Uncle Iroh to guide him and act as a father to him throughout his life. Aang was acquainted with Gyatso for only a couple of years.)

@Takejiro24

4 ай бұрын

​@@appletart7262 I'm still salty over the show never having had Aang apologize for kissing Katara at the Ember Islands Play even though she said she was confused about her feelings towards Aang. That and the two having a proper, mature discussion on where they stood with each other after the kiss.

@SirSomeguy

4 ай бұрын

Seriously, I'm sick of people saying that TLOK was a character assassination of Aang for the simple fact that he had the GALL to not deal with the near complete genocide of his entire race 100% perfectly. They made it abundantly clear that he loved all his children and Katara, but the simple fact is that the teachings, lessons, and way of life of an ENTIRE race of people could only have possibly been retained by one of his children. Of course there's going to be stress, and of course Aang can't do everything perfectly. But in the end, all the kids express how much they still love Aang and his memory. Hell, when Bumi first gains the ability to Airbend in Season 3, the very first thing he says is how proud Aang would be and how proud Katara will be.

not a specific fandom, but for some reason like 90% of people in fandom are just incapable of describing female characters without just... calling them a girlboss or saying they're hot. like that's cool, do you know their personality though???

@pferinne

4 ай бұрын

also, bsd fandom specific: if you're going to put atsushi/akutagawa and atsushi and kyouka having a sibling relationship in the same fic i think it should maybe be acknowledged that he's dating his sister figures abuser?? i never see it brought up and it would be interesting to see people explore more often

@confusedfrog294

3 ай бұрын

@pferinne No bc I was literally about to mention the BSD fandom before I read your reply the women getting ignored is such a big problem. I don’t think I have ever seen the fandom mention Yosano outside of these four contexts: - She hot - Shipping (usually with other hot women) - Mori - Her ability (sometimes) And she’s one of the main cast, like the second most relevant woman in the series after Kyouka. It’s wild. I know people would (and sadly sometimes do) act the same about Kyouka if she wasn’t literally a child.

@maevem316

3 ай бұрын

Fandom sexism my beloathed 😭 it's fucking everywhere

@osheridan

3 ай бұрын

There's also the third option, where any girl who isn't an absolute doormat is referred to as a MONSTER. For example Katara. She's done wrong, yes, but she's a traumatised kid under massive stress. According to some ATLA fans, she's worse than Ozai.

@averagecupofcoffee

3 ай бұрын

Even worse is when canon goes OUT OF THEIR WAY to make a character nothing but sex appeal. One of my favorite fictional characters EVER is Momo Yaoyorozu from MHA, and she’s infamous for being a 15 year old that almost _constantly_ has a boob window. She does have an actual personality, but most people don’t remember that very often.

not a specific fandom, but this goes out to ALL fandoms. let’s stop labeling a certain fandom as “toxic” and making fun of people who like that media just because of the small amount of toxic people who are the loudest. all fandoms that end up popular are toxic, and you people need to realize that.

@hectorplay8199

2 ай бұрын

fr. Fandoms are such a beautiful concept and I'm tired of people antagonizing it because of a few assholes

@BottomlessWater

Ай бұрын

Tiktok needs to realize this. I've seen so many times people with Hazbin Hotel pfps get harassed and even doxxed by Tiktokers just for having a Hazbin Hotel pfp So many received death threats for a pfp of a fandom they don't like. I thought KZread Community was exaggerating until I used Tiktok myself, the death threats are common there

@greenboy5314

9 күн бұрын

Kpop fan here

@UnholyGlitch404

3 күн бұрын

Yup. I've never had much issue in the My Hero Academia fandom, in my experience. Like, people go on about the fandom being so "horrible, and horrible, full of toxic degenerates and fujoshi's". And... Like... Where??? BNHA has many issues, as does the fandom, but I don't think the fandom is really that overwhelmingly toxic. Unless I've just accidentally avoided "the toxic majority", despite being in the fandom for about five years, straight. It just feels like people look at fandoms that have predominantly queer and/or neurodivergent fanbases, and label them toxic because people like projecting on characters, and find comfort in "canon non-conforming" ideas. That, *or* they specifically point to the young straight girls who often follow these demographics, because of fetishization of gay relationships. (The only point I will give to the people who call the BNHA fandom "toxic" is that Bakudeku is one of the most common ships in the fandom, and it's inherently polarizing. *But*, as somebody who doesn't like Bakudeku, it's avoidable. Again, this is anecdotal, but avoiding it isn't impossible, you just have to know what demographics you'll often find it in. For example, you're significantly more likely to find Bakudeku in parts of the fandom where young teens, and pre-teens, tend to congregate. If you're judging a fandom based on the youngest demographics in the fandom, then... I don't know what to tell you.)

There's a difference between appreciating Bakugo's development and justifying his past behavior and I can't believe so many people are still picking the latter.

@tati-4638

4 ай бұрын

I agree and nothing justifies what he did BUT I'm tierd of people calling Mitsuki a good mother, yes she loves him, yes she cares about him but that dosen't mean it is not abuse to hit and blame your child for getting kidnapped. It isn't ok and I don't get why people think it is

@selmabm3409

4 ай бұрын

@@tati-4638 I think it’s because she barely shows up in the story. If she had more screen time, maybe Horikoshi would’ve made her mention the bullying.

@tati-4638

4 ай бұрын

@@selmabm3409 yeah we don't know how it was back then but we do know that bakugo never learned how to deal with emotions. Deku thinks that in the fight in ground beta and Katsuki says himself "a little violence is necessary" .. "that's how I was raised" to todoroki. (That dosen't excuse the bullying ofcourse)

@magicalpopfish9570

4 ай бұрын

As a bkdk shipper in fics we usually never try to justify his bullying or portray it as "him being too shy to show Izuku his feelings" but as him going through his arc as "the gifted kid" we usually have him grow from his past through other characters (maybe go to therapy) and then start having feelings for Izuku after admiring and appreciating his input in some fics he straight up just rejects Izuku because he knows he isn't mentally there yet sometimes they don't even have them as childhood friends because a lot of us believe "soulmates" because the story keeps bringing up the twin stars motif and that they're complementary in the "save to win" and "win to save". We do not ship it because of the bullying we ship it inspite of the bullying as we see them as two individuals who've grown together sometimes as a result of one another for better and for worse. A lot of bkdk fics also don't make Mama Mitsuki abusive because we like her being nice to her son and Izuku.

@MahouMell__

4 ай бұрын

you fxcking fujoshi comshiper get a life @@magicalpopfish9570

The general issue in a lot of fandoms have with the idea of good people doing bad things. If the favorite character does something bad then it’s always justified, but if a different character does something bad then that character is an awful person.

@BookWyrmOnAString

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, acknowledging a character's flaws and the harm they caused without demonizing them is something Fandom is really, REALLY bad at

@aruxani

4 ай бұрын

The Attack on Titan fandom... Eren killed 80% of humanity for "freedom" but ofc they hate on Annie for yoyo-ing someone whilst in her titan form because 1. She was a brainwashed child trained to be a killing machine and 2. she detaches herself whilst in her titan form to cope with the guilt. Now I'm just justifying killing but Annie literally never had a choice AND she killed a lot less people than Eren.

@iliketea1427

4 ай бұрын

So basically the fandom for the phantom of the opera, (spoilers) you have no idea how much people defend him despite him threatening and murdering innocents and also was manipulating, stalking, almost murdering, attempting to force into marriage, and kidnapping the much younger girl he "loves"... But nooooo he's just a poor baby who needs love and Christine is being unreasonable and selfish when she chooses the rich and beautiful guy who loved her and makes her feel safe. Then the fandom proceeds to attack Raoul too when he does something wrong while the phantom does x100 worse. Seriously the fandom doesn't get it into their head that one isn't entitled to another's love.

@modestzachman758

4 ай бұрын

I have no room to talk, I struggle with this with real people.

@aromanticdisgr-ace4083

4 ай бұрын

Yeah nuance in general seems to be hard for a lot of fandom. Even in fandoms where the entirety of canon keeps beating you over the head with how multifaceted real human beings are, whaddaya know, the fandom has reduced that to the character with a hint of anxiety is an uwu bean who can't do anything by themselves and is never wrong and the pretty guy is so perfect and infallible and to suggest otherwise is bashing them. Like I'm sorry but the uwu bean has their own life and career they built themselves and has at multiple points yelled at people and in general been very non-uwu bean like. And your perfect hot guy starts the series off by being a jerk and continues to mess up again and again and learn from those mistakes. That doesn't make them bad people, it just makes them *people*. And that grand evil villain who probably skins puppies because they looked sceptically at the MC that one time? Yeah sure they're not super nice but they're not evil for not being 100% on the MCs side at all times. They're not evil for calling out the uwu bean for being disrespectful or straight up dismissive and mean. And even if they are an actual evil villain, they can still do good. You not liking them doesn't mean they're canonically as bad as you want them to be. Good people to bad thing and bad people do good things and just because you're biased for or against a character doesn't make your opinion of their actions and their forgivableness objective truth. Let characters be multifaceted, please

Something I’ve been noticing a lot lately is how obsessed fandom is with justifying a characters actions through making up a traumatic backstory for them, but proceeding to demonise the characters who have actually had a traumatic past because they don’t fit the “perfect docile victim” archetype Edit: to explain further because I feel some people may have missed the point is as an example I think of how messed up and depressed I am normally and think that if I was a fictional character EVERYONE would make up a traumatic backstory to “explain” why I’m like that. And especially seeing characters with the same things I start to realise how much this happens because people want to pity them and have a reason for them being “out of the ordinary”. Not even just justifying evil or bad behaviours just even behaviours that could come off as weird to the average person. For example there’s this one character I’m really interested in who’s a vigilante and even though there’s no evidence that she’s had a traumatic past almost half of the fandom tries to justify her actions from being the result of trauma, ignoring how people can become that way and don’t need a sad backstory. And she even mentions it getting angry at the idea of people wanting to pity her for that and treating her as naive. But when it comes to characters who clearly have trauma lots of the time fandom will say they’re stupid and should’ve stood up or their trauma response is making them irredeemable. And even when a media very clearly addresses these mindsets they still prevail heavily and it’s just…

@kevintanza6968

3 ай бұрын

Depends on the actions. But traumatic past or not, some actions can't be defended. For example, Frieza blew up an entire planet in Dragon Ball. A sad backstory won't justify that.

@peanutbutterex

3 ай бұрын

God this is a particular part of the ofmd fandom. Coming up with a traumatic backstory for izzy and demonizing ed. So annoying

@amberspark9434

3 ай бұрын

Or turning said characters with trauma into “perfect victims” when they aren’t. Saw that a bit in dsmp with c!Tommy. C!Tommy himself was a surprisingly accurate portrayal of someone experiencing trauma and being irreparably changed by it (which is surprising for a Minecraft series), but everyone in the fandom always filed off his edges. C!Tommy was a surprisingly complex character but he did a lot of unambiguously bad things out of trauma after exile

@girosvaldodeskate2214

3 ай бұрын

​​@@kevintanza6968 vegeta also blew up planets, he is one of the good guys now and i think some people would say that he couldn't do any other thing considering his father and is entire life before z, so no, you can write a Backstory to make a planet destroyer simpatetic if you do it in the present too

@justasimplelemon5898

3 ай бұрын

I saw this happening in the SU fandom with Jasper and Lapis 😭😭 someone on twitter treated Jasper like "the poor victim of abuse from Lapis 🥺🥺" meanwhile they treated lapis like if she was abusive for STANDING UP against her abuser?? The worst part was seeing a lot of people agree and deffend this person?? As a victim of abuse i really think its weird, awful and it just show how media literacy is dead

A lot of fandoms I’m in have an issue with nuance, just like in general. Like people are either boiling down characters to a single trait or relationship or getting mad at people for not looking deep enough into a character like they do (or, god forbid, having a different opinion on them) A lot of it are petty arguments (with exceptions ofc) and people just kind of being nasty over who’s right, and it gets tiring to see.

@kenyaholloway-reliford8213

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. This is why fandoms just aren't fun anymore.

@kevintanza6968

3 ай бұрын

Social media ruined it.

@JustEvelynAndArt

3 ай бұрын

MDZS fandom frfr

@osheridan

Ай бұрын

The biggest example for me is Qinter in the Wings of Fire fandom. In canon, they're two intelligent, complex characters who joke around and have a fun dynamic. In fanon, they're either the subject of 2,000 page analyses that you "have to" read, or they're portrayed as a pervert and a victim.

@ChibiMoyashis

27 күн бұрын

So... the Genshin fandom, basically

Pink Diamond/Rose Quartz DOES NOT owe Pearl a romantic relationship. I see alot of people still say that because Pearl romantically loved Rose, Rose should have romanticized loved Pearl back. No. Please notice this elephant.

@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel

4 ай бұрын

Especially since there's valid reasons to hate Rose/pink but this isn't one of them she can love who she likes

@starlydonati2008

4 ай бұрын

Agreed. Rose loving who she wanted instead of the main character who loved her is nothing to get mad about. It seemed somewhat reciprocated at some point in the past, but that doesn’t mean she owed Pearl anything when her interest drifted elsewhere.

@henrybugado593

4 ай бұрын

I totally agree with that...but I think she should have marked more boundaries with pearl so as not to give her false hope. I am especially referring to the rainbow quartz scene.

@starlydonati2008

4 ай бұрын

@@henrybugado593 True. If she didn’t want to maintain a romantic relationship with Pearl, she should have said so instead of stringing her along. My question is if she realized that Pearl was so jealous of Greg because Rose is relatively oblivious and Pearl pretended things were fine when she wasn’t happy. It’s not exactly Rose’s fault if Pearl didn’t clearly communicate that she wasn’t ok with Greg because she had established a pattern of being fine with Rose’s human trysts so long as she was going to be the one Rose stuck with. It’s amazingly complicated even when trying to follow simple seeming rules when it comes to relationships.

@blueotter5954

4 ай бұрын

@@starlydonati2008 I agree with that last point. Communication is hard; you think you got it right, but then it becomes too late to realize you did not get it right. It certainly lead to some some of my own past breakups at least.

In the Animal Crossing fandom, people tend to characterize Tom Nook as this big mean loan shark with a cold heart and loves nothing but money. In reality, he's pretty chill compared to irl loan sharks. He gives you infinite time to pay off the loans, he gives you an easier way to pay off your first loan in New Horizons, and literally adopted two little Tanookies and raised them as his own.

@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel

4 ай бұрын

he's really nice honestly he gives us a basically free house, lets us take our time. the real enemy is the fox that sells fake stuff fuck redd

@paigeepler

4 ай бұрын

Meanwhile, Lyle was an insurance scammer in City Folk, if I remember correctly. I don't know what the fandom thinks of him, though.

@insertobligatoryreferenceh489

4 ай бұрын

I once saw someone say that it’s “the collective proletariat urge to detest all debt collectors,” and that’s the explanation I’m sticking with.

@blueotter5954

4 ай бұрын

@@paigeepler I think we like him. He did redeem himself my no longer teaming up with Redd the Fox, and started working at the Happy Home Academy. The NPCs did not forget he used to be a scammer, they talk about it with or without Lyle.

@paigeepler

4 ай бұрын

@@blueotter5954 Good to know, thanks! I like Animal Crossing but I never know what the fandom is doing at any given time

The HP fandom basically choosing to ignore like... everything? In the series? Like why was Cho Chang made out to be the villain for being emotionally unavailable to Harry after her fucking boyfriend got MURDERED?

@starcre9338

3 ай бұрын

Honestly, I get and agree with what you’re saying, as a lot of it comes off as really victim-blamed,,, but like… they didn’t get it from nowhere. the books do it too - i mean, there’s tons of scenes in their relationship where Cho Chang is looked down upon for crying and it’s heavily implied she’s just ‘acting sad for the attention’ and ‘didn’t really know cedric anyway’ so yeah, they shouldn’t do that, but the books shouldn’t, either

@stormrider24

3 ай бұрын

@@starcre9338 Oh that's what I meant. If it wasn't in the books my problem would be different, but no, she actually wrote that. That's my problem.

@starcre9338

3 ай бұрын

@@stormrider24 oh whoops! i just misread it, sorry

@chesspiece4257

2 ай бұрын

i feel like the HP fandom ignoring the problematic aspects in JKR’s writing is fine as long as they don’t replicate it. confronting it is cool too

@LAZERAK47V2

2 ай бұрын

To be honest, I think the book nailed how a bunch of teenagers would react to someone who was going through the ringer. Teens are assholes (WE ALL WERE, DON'T EVEN TRY TO DENY IT) and are very self-absorbed. Cho was a popular girl before the events of Order of the Phoenix, meaning that it was pretty likely that most of her "friends" were just hanging with the popular girl and didn't actually care. So when she starts getting all sad and depressed, they drop her like a dress they've worn one time. I always thought it was a realistic portrayal of cliques in High School and how they would react. Harry being totally confused and frustrated by her makes sense too, it's not like he had emotional support growing up, so his emotional growth is likely extremely stunted and because we follow the story through his eyes, we get his interpretation. The story would've likely been written very differently if we had read it through Cho's eyes. How she lost her crush, lost her popularity, is trying to move on with her life despite not being in a good place and then not being supported by her boyfriend (let's be real, Harry didn't really make the time for her, nor did ever actually have a full on deep conversation with her). Remember, the story may be written in 3rd person, but it's being conveyed through Harry's eyes. We never get to see what other characters are thinking.

Saying that Aang abused Katara is a HUGE reach. We know very little about their relationship as adults. We don’t know that Katara was homebody throughout her adulthood. She’s a homebody now because she’s in her 90s. Aang screwed up as a dad in some aspects but calling him an abusive husband is just making shit up. And as much as I think everyone’s characterization in that comic was bad, Aang was with his fan club because they were the only people with whom he could celebrate his culture, and he actively thanked Katara for letting him stay. I also don’t think she ever voiced that she was upset until after the fact. How dare he not read her mind I guess.

@thilsiktonix

3 ай бұрын

Given how he left his other two kids alone and brought Tenzin with him everywhere he went, it's obvious that the responsibility there had to go somewhere, and is reasonable to assume that said responsibility would go to Katara. It's understandable that it would be a bad situation with how he's literally the last surviving member of an extinct race, but it's not really something you can call a "reach". Plus, in the series, he never really took "no" for an answer, not from her, not from anyone - which works to his credit for the most part during the show, but ends up leading him to be a pretty awful father & husband.

@IceFireofVoid

3 ай бұрын

@thilsiktonix That's not entirely correct either. We know he spent more time with Tenzin, but I believe the only somewhat clear confirmation of that is Kaya saying that Tenzin went on trips with their dad sometimes. Presumably to teach him airbending and air nomad culture. Nothing indicates how frequently he was gone. Nothing indicates that he wasn't involved with his other kids at all. The *only* thing we know for sure is that he comparatively spent more time with Tenzin. Which makes sense, because Tenzin needed to learn air bending, was the only kid who needed to learn air bending, and Aang was the only person who could teach him.

@Miaowzi

3 ай бұрын

Op probably was a zutara shipper and the tie in comics are badly written for me to consider them canon

@jessical4866

3 ай бұрын

Whether or not Katara was a homebody, I think it’s fair to say that her romantic relationship with Aang heavily neutralized her more aggressive qualities. I’ll give benefit of the doubt in Katara only specializing in healing due to old age, but there’s still very little mention of any other accomplishments that she hypothetically made as an adult waterbending master. So while nothing explicitly states Katara was a homebody, there’s no evidence to disprove it either.

@AnnekeOosterink

3 ай бұрын

@@jessical4866 Okay, but if there is zero evidence to a claim, you can't then make that claim. Because you have ZERO evidence either way. OOP made the claim that Katara became a homebody based on nothing. They were wrong, there is no evidence. By the logic of "there is no evidence to disprove it" I can claim I have an invisible unicorn and because you don't have any evidence to disprove it I have one. You can't disprove it after all.

I hate PJO fandom's infantilisation of Nico. In canon, he's messed up and kind of an asshole. Yet the fandom makes him "traumatised uwu cinnamon roll baby" like... no???

@catsinwonderland7473

4 ай бұрын

OH MY GOD FOR REAL 💀💀💀💀😭😭 I felt like I was going crazy. They always blamed every other character for Nico's actions, even vilifying Bianca. For what? What did she do??? Saying that she abandoned him is absolutely insane. All she wanted was for him to move on. God forbid the daughter of Hades tells Nico to respect that she's dead. Being depressed and traumatized doesn't make you except from being a jerkass. And Nico was a complete jerkass. Refused to talk to people that wanted the best for him, then would lament that nobody liked him. Which I understand, because he's a flawed character, but the fandom took that as "YEAH BABY NICO YOU'RE SO GODDAMN RIGHT EVERYONE HATES YOU!!!!"

@michellekeppler982

4 ай бұрын

I know right I had seen the Fandom stuff about Nico before I read the book he appeared in and was utterly confused about what they were talking about. Granted he is one of my favorite characters in the series by the current point I'm at but that's for the exact opposite reasons that the Fandom seems to love him for.

@lucamagic

4 ай бұрын

Yes! I have a pjo instagram account but I actively avoid anything that has to do with that. I just found it weird.

@thegothbunny

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree. I actually have many issues with how the fandom handles most of the cast, too, such as their "macho-fying" of Frank, the despicable, useless power scaling debates, the Mary Sue-fication of every member of the old cast (especially Percy), the extreme flanderization of Literally Everyone But Specially Leo™, and the deep misunderstanding of characters to the point of fans thinking their unintentionally made-up version of the characters' personality = canon (this is doubly so for any characters that are part of the supporting cast, such as Will and Calypso) But, to be fair, Rick Riordan has slowly but surely become the biggest part of the problem with the passing of the years. He also started writing Nico as an OOC "uwu angsty baby", too. I remember the whiplash I got reading Blood Of Olympus, because half of the time Nico's character was written in line with both his appearances in the older PJO books and his development in Heroes of Olympus, the other half he's written as if he's some sort of hybrid between Charlie Spring from Heartstopper and the goth from Boyfriends WB, there's some really good scenes where some stuff is acknowledge and then poof! Nothing, everything solved in the most cheesy way possible, character flaws never have to be faced bc now they're non-existent! And similar goes to Piper, and Leo, and Jason, and Hazel, and Frank, and Thalia, and Annabeth, and Percy, etc etc, it's just waaay more prominent with Nico. Sigh. I still love the newer Riordan's works, Magnus Chase is one of my favorite MC's of his, after all, there's no issue with him not being a perfect writer and making mistakes and all that jazz. The problem I have is with the fandom, who are all extreme sycophants completely closed off to civil discussion, or just exchanging different opinions that don't line up with the mainstream ones within the fandom.

@thegothbunny

4 ай бұрын

​@@michellekeppler982same fr fr, he's also one of my favorites but for completely different reasons most of the fandom likes him. Mainly, because the version of him they're obsessed with is an imaginary one they have mostly projected into the character. (And I say "mostly" bc for better or for worse, Rick Riordan _has_ indeed been woobiefying Nico)

Gravity falls: Anytime a character makes a mistake (small or big) they end up HATING the character.... For example, people hate Mabel because she "caused" weirdmageeddon. A) she thought bill was bledin and had no knowledge of what the rift was... B) SHE WAS A 12(almost 13) YEAR OLD GIRL WHO IS ALLOWED TO BE IMPERFECT!!! SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WEIRDMAGEDDON WOULD HAPPEN!!!

@one-onessadhalf3393

4 ай бұрын

I don’t understand people hating her for that at all. Like, I have my issues with Mabel, mostly just her in season 1, but blaming her for Weirdmageddon just doesn’t make sense

@Imserious184

4 ай бұрын

YES, I hate that. I dislike Stanford for how dumb to trust Bill so much despite being a genius and a grown man but Mabel is a child, a literal child. 😭

@SnickerDoodleBug05

4 ай бұрын

​@@Imserious184 I hate Stanford too... Not for trusting Bill, Stanford is a curious man so I can understand why he trusted Bill. But I hate him for not saying 'thank you'. Stanley ended learning to say 'please' in season 1, why can't Stanford learn to say 'thank you'?'

@riymeep6708

3 ай бұрын

I still don’t get how people hate on her for weirdmageddon. Like, she had no idea what the thing she was holding was and had no reason to distrust blendin. Also, her feelings in that moment make perfect sense and is something that I’m quite sure nearly all children have felt at some point.

@princeapoopoo5787

3 ай бұрын

She acted rashly in response to Dipper, but they literally had zero time to talk things over and make up before Bill showed up. Its wild that people blame her because of a demon taking advantage of two literal children fighting. Absolutely wild.

Why will no Fandom ever acknowledge it when one protagonist hurts another protagonist? Like they can still both be good people, and be good together, but they have hurt each other and that adds depth to the story and their relationship and their individual characters. Usually the fandom will just pick one character to hate, then act like the other character has never done anything wrong. It’s one thing that I’m rly sick of in Fandom culture.

@someone-ss7bm

4 ай бұрын

It iritates me so badly when people can never see both characters’ side of a conflict, even when they both have perfectly valid arguments. The fact that they both have a solid point is what makes the story good, but people always have to choose sides 😔

@averagecupofcoffee

3 ай бұрын

This. I’m an MHA fan and a Bakudeku shipper. You described it perfectly.

@aliciam6145

3 ай бұрын

I feel like you could apply this to just about any fandom lol (for me right now it's Good Omens)

@andreaseverin1346

3 ай бұрын

This is why I love the Class of 09 fandom. Everyone is aware that pretty much every character is evil

@rosemary3029

3 ай бұрын

​@@andreaseverin1346class 09 from what i seen is breaking bad but yuri because i have only seen shipping art of the two titular girls

One of my fandoms has a problem where all the girls are badasses who can take care of themselves but 80% of the time if you read a shipfic for it, they are suddenly much weaker than the guys in the show even though the girls are canonically stronger. It irritates me to no end.

@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel

3 ай бұрын

what fandom? i'm guessing maybe demon slayer

@purrowell

Ай бұрын

YES. I use fiction to escape the patriarchy not partake in it

@johngellare3507

19 күн бұрын

@@purrowell Funnily enough, we don't live in a patriarchy. We live, in most places, in a democratic oligarchy that happens to have male leaders. An actual patriarchy would be something like ancient rome, where the *fathers* would have special legal and judicial powers. Compare that to the U.S, where fathers can barely get custody of their children, it's not a patriarchy.

@sparkyblue7016

16 күн бұрын

​@@johngellare3507Again, the male leaders don't just happen to leaders. It's a product of patriarchy. Patriarchy doesn't simply mean no women rights, it's more nuanced than that. Otherwise usa would have women leaders but they don't. Why do you think that is?

@j.j.juggernaut9709

10 күн бұрын

@@johngellare3507awww you delululand seems to be a very cute place to live in 💀

I remember seeing someone in the DC comics fandom go "Every time I pick up a comic I get a little sad remembering that these characters aren't nearly as gay as you guys make them out to be"

@BrunoMaricFromZagreb

4 ай бұрын

What is it with the _current year_ internet's obsession with gays (specifically,homos3xuals)? Yes,I myself go to e621,I saw the memetic femboy rat & the noseless space sheep & the 2 canine knights,& all the other famous OCs.I look up Zackary911 DAILY,as a CISHET male! I STILL have no idea why people act like pigeons seeing seeds whenever a LGBT character appears in media.Especially women.Gay men are GAY,so logically,they aren't going to be into YOU. Fcck,the "Elfslayer Chronicles" 4chan post only happened because some sl00t wanted to make her D&D party go through her p0rn without plot setting. I actually tolerate gay p0rn a lot more than gay characters or people.P0rn doesn't have rancid vibes.

@Anonymoustoothbrush-il1gf

4 ай бұрын

Just watch the lego Batman movie, the gayest Batman media in existence

@one-onessadhalf3393

4 ай бұрын

@Anonymoustoothbrush-il1gf Or the Telltale games

@Anonymoustoothbrush-il1gf

4 ай бұрын

@@one-onessadhalf3393 true, I forgot about telltale, I’d say that their both tied for the gayest Batman thing out there.

@Ardorstorm

3 ай бұрын

So real

No one in the Danny Phantom fandom wants to acknowledge the finale and honestly I love it

@plutodragon4

4 ай бұрын

The only reason to acknowledge the finale is because of a glitch in time undoing it

@callmesummon

4 ай бұрын

@@plutodragon4 I will not acknowledge it until I get a chance to read A Glitch in Time. It simply does not exist to me

@BrunoMaricFromZagreb

4 ай бұрын

Well,I never saw the finale.I watched the show,I have no idea why it stopped airing for me OR which episode I left on.I definetly remember sitting down & watching it,so it isn't just me going through the clips I saw on the internet.

@plutodragon4

4 ай бұрын

@@callmesummonit never even happened also i like your leo pfp my fellow rottmnt fan

@callmesummon

4 ай бұрын

@@plutodragon4 eyyy rottmnt buddies

So many fandoms immediately jump to demonizing any character who makes the slightest mistake as a parent or parental figure. Scold a kid for something that wasn’t really their fault? The fandom has decided that you’re an evil, abusive monster, even if you had no way of knowing this wasn’t the kid’s fault at the time and apologized to them once you found out what really happened. Heck, fandoms even get on characters’ cases for doing things any real-life parent would do! Try to calm a kid down when they’re having a fit? How dare you try to suppress their emotions, you evil, abusive monster! Praise a kid for being well-behaved? Why are you putting so much pressure on them to be your perfect golden child, you evil, abusive monster? Ask a kid to help out around the house? You evil, abusive monster; you’re treating your child like a slave! There’s no such thing as a perfect parent, and a lot of the characters getting demonized for not living up to this impossible standard are actually really good parents. (Not to mention that it’s usually mothers who get this treatment, while fathers get a free pass for almost anything up to and including full-on felony neglect, but this rant is long enough already.)

@juliawidmaier5334

4 ай бұрын

Bluey fandom is what comes to my mind

@a.w.4708

4 ай бұрын

I feel like this about Encanto fandom. Like ok, Abuela made more than slight mistakes, but not nearly as bad as some fans claim she did. It is combined by claiming every single character has "severe trauma and anxiety" while there is nothing indicating that for most of them. Especially Camillo and Antonio. While, at the same time, completely ignoring the trauma Abuela had, from losing her home and seeing her husband killed in front of her, which in my opinion is a valid reason for making mistake of wanting your children to be overpowered. I feel like people just project their own trauma and the behaviour of their own parents on Abuela.

@rainpooper7088

3 ай бұрын

The Owl House with Camilla. And that show had *actual* abusive parents in it. And yeah, it is pretty much always the mothers who get hate. That should make us think.

@grantflippin7808

3 ай бұрын

​@@rainpooper7088 luz would have been happier if she just went to summer camp.

@grantflippin7808

3 ай бұрын

​@@juliawidmaier5334 bad parents? no. Bad neighbors? Absolutely.

In the Harry Potter Fandom, there are many fans that deny Remus and Tonk's marriage to ship Remus and Sirius. But they still have Teddy, Tonk's son, as a character they like. So they reduce Tonk's character to surgogate mother, IF they even acknowledge her existence or name at all. So there are fans that don't like Remus's marriage to Tonks and deny its existence, but they keep the child that was born from that marriage... It's one thing to ship Remus and Sirius, but it's another to ship them and have them keep a kid from the cannon marriage that they DENY existing for that ship.... I mean, Teddy's even named after Tonk's father, Edward.

@meridaskywalker7816

3 ай бұрын

Tonks is generally underrated

@LAZERAK47V2

2 ай бұрын

Facts and logic typically don't matter to shippers.

@mistertwister2000

2 ай бұрын

Or people who ship their head canon version of James with Sirius . . . gang, the events of the book can’t even fucking happen without James and Lily having Harry

@mayochupenjoyer

20 күн бұрын

the jegulus ship makes NO sense to me bc james loved lily with every fibre of his being

@maxdickens2347

19 күн бұрын

i think thats because they subconsiously see tonks is toxic (to a piont) like..she forced remus to marry/love her and even when 'in love' hes clearly uncomfortable and dislikes her verbally.

My Little Pony- The Mane 6 aren’t robots. They don’t just learn a lesson and never do the terrible act ever again. They screw up multiple times in the show, often doing the same wrong thing that they did seasons or even episodes ago. And that should be ok. They aren’t perfect. However some of the fandom, especially in the later seasons, began to grow upset towards the characters and how they were being portrayed without understanding that, behind the cute pastel colored horses, there were actors who were doing their best with what they were given. People don’t often get a lesson the first time, so why should the mane 6? Sure it might be annoying, but their flaws are what make them interesting to watch Edit: I know this isn’t technically an “issue” but prior to “Fame and Misfortune” the complaint that they were “being annoying for having to learn the same lessons over and over again began to become increasingly common as the show went on.

@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel

4 ай бұрын

Even the show had to call this out, as a shy person i can't just get over my shyness

@PowerSpirit50

4 ай бұрын

They even made an episode about it.

@vexywexypoo

4 ай бұрын

I dont think thats just a MLP specific problem. The internet kinda gave eveyone the idea of direct good or bad and that anyone who does one thing wrong is suddenly a horrible person, no matter if they try to learn or make up for their actions.

@Kat_ashiii

4 ай бұрын

When the ponies got mad at Fluttershy re-learning the same lesson over and over again, I got so annoyed. As a shy person myself, you can't just expect someone to always feel comfortable expressing themselves when they're not with people they trust, especially since there is probably a reason why they're so shy.

@CallMeCrazyCallMePoor

4 ай бұрын

'The Mane 6.' He he

Aight helluva boss time. Since Stolas’s parenting was brought into question I think it’s time to criticize Blitzø. Now don’t get me wrong, I do think he’s trying his best, but he’s not the parent Loona needs. Loona reminds him of himself and he’s trying to give her everything he wanted but that’s the problem, he wants her to have everything HE wanted as a CHILD. She’s an adult woman and a traumatized one at that but he treats her like she’s still a child even though he adopted her at age 17 (almost 18). He didn’t come into the pound, prepared to adopt someone like Loona. He wanted a young child that he could give the childhood he never had. Instead he’s stunting Loona’s growth as a person by never criticizing or trying to help her with her issues and instead avoiding them and pretending they aren’t there. He loves her, dearly, but he adopted her not because he was prepared to help her with her issues, but out of the knee jerk reaction to seeing her crying in that cell.

@FruitSalad253

4 ай бұрын

I do wish fandoms in general were a little more open to the messy but intricate aspects of characters. Those traits are what makes them multi-dimensional, and they leave a ton of room for further thought, interpretation, and exploration (as demonstated above)

@ItzMuffinzz

4 ай бұрын

@@FruitSalad253 Agreed! Obviously there’s always time for treating characters like silly little guys, not everything needs to be serious. But you should try to look deeper into a character, beyond what the text states.

@SkullQueen33

4 ай бұрын

I had this exact discussion a year or so ago on Twitter... If I remember correctly, the thing was that people was pissed that Loona was phisically aggresive towards Blitz on the beggining of the chapter Seeing Stars. I too was often bothered with how her was horrible to other characters on the show, but this time I felt different for a simple reason: It is established on that episode that she was an orphan for more than 19 years (apparently dropped by a uncaring mother onto the rain, if the drawings on her cell are anything to go by), and was being captive all those years on an obviously toxic, not at all nice type of orphanage. What is my point with all this, may you wonder? Well, people was angry at her because they expected her to 'behave more kindly' to the guy that adopted her, and, you know what? I knew people who where orphans irl, and they don't always show undying love for their tutors since the very beggining, specially not when they grow up on problematic situations or spent most of their childhoods on the orphanage. Keep in mind: Loona was not only almost a grown ass adult when she was adopted, but also was grown in a toxic enviroment and she only knew Blitz for a year or two (Age of adoption: 19; Age in the show: It was confirmed to be 22). Frankly, how Twitter expected her to 'be nice' when the literal trigger for this fight was him saying quite literally that he didn't like her attitude and 'I may as well replace you'?? Also, there's something very wrong with the idea that if you adopt someone, he/she/or them are obligued by contract to always look at you like a saviour of some kind...

@ItzMuffinzz

4 ай бұрын

@@SkullQueen33 Actually she was 17 when Blitzø adopted her but I agree. She doesn’t have to do anything, she went through a lot of shit and she has a right to be angry about it. But Blitzø in particular is not equipped to handle that. He has a lot of his own issues he has yet to resolve let alone an entirely different person with different struggles that are completely foreign to him.

@Dressup_Doll

4 ай бұрын

@@SkullQueen33If I remember correctly, I thought there was a scene of her helping Octavia with Stolas, then ignoring what she said and kicking Blitz. If I’m wrong, then sorry.

Just because you like a bad character/series, does not mean you're a bad person. So many people have lost media literacy and if something doesn't fit their "pure" ideals, or is something they personally don't like, then that must mean everyone who does like it is BAD. Ridiculous. Bring back "don't like, don't read".

Undertale: everyone blames chara for the genocide route even though the story is meta and openly blames you for it the game is supposed to call out how WE are comfortable with committing acts of violence in video games what's funnier is how the same people who blam chara for the genocide route take responsibility for the pacifist route in Mha people just don't acknowledged the fact that Enji went through a redemption arc and in deltarune everyone seemed to collectively forget that spamton helped you kill darkners in the snowgrave route (i know that he didn't directly kill anyone but he gave you the thorn ring) and I hate how the Fandom dumbed down papyrus most fan works just turned him into a dumb child

@Konpekikaminari

3 ай бұрын

I feel like Chara going "when were you ever in control?" in the end of a genocide route contributed alot to that part

@sansthecomic767

3 ай бұрын

You're probably right

@wittyreviewer

3 ай бұрын

See for me, there's two sides to the Chara argument. While it's true the game is very obviously addressing *you*, the player, it changes a bit when you consider Frisk is also a character themselves. So I can see arguments there, but mostly you're right imo.

@LazyRosey-os7jy

11 күн бұрын

I'm sorta new to the UT fandom but from what I've seen people are acknowledging chara wasn't actually the villian & that papyrus is an adult. I don't know how much of the fandom actually acknowledge this. It could be that I'm in a specific corner of the fandom plus I've been into more of the aus lately so idk if the fandom is growing out of that

@sansthecomic767

10 күн бұрын

@@LazyRosey-os7jy I know but I'm talking about the old UT fandom I should have clarified that though

The Hamilton fandom needs to stop pretending like the show paints Alexander Hamilton as some saint. He did a lot of very important things, but he was still a confrontational prick who was a terrible military leader and blatantly cheated on his wife (oh, and had slaves irl). Lin-Manuel Miranda himself said the show isn’t meant to glorify him, and he wasn’t afraid to show the negative aspects to his life.

@lenabluejay1166

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I love the musical (it's one of my favourites!) but the fandom is weird. Also, where did the John "turtle boy" thing come from?

@tsifirakiehl4250

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, a lot of people tried to hate on the show for “glorifying” its title character, and I wonder if they even watched the same show I did. Yes, the show does feature good things that Hamilton did, but it also features bad things he did, and when he does bad things, he is clearly shown to be in the wrong. Alexander Hamilton wasn’t a saint, but he wasn’t a demon either. He was a person, who did a lot of both good and bad, and that is what the show portrays.

@panizshariat7892

4 ай бұрын

​@@lenabluejay1166that came from the fact that he liked to draw a lot of turtles irl

@lenabluejay1166

4 ай бұрын

@@panizshariat7892 That's really cute!! I guess the fandom just really exaggerates it to the point of acting like it's his only personality trait...

@2bdaqueen268

4 ай бұрын

Yeah those that say the musical glorified Alexander and the founding fathers clearly didn’t pay attention or only saw the fandoms side of things, I think Lin made it pretty clear that despite the good things he did Alexander was a flawed human being who cheated on his wife and indirectly got his son killed in a duel and that the founding fathers were also petty assholes, it’s not his fault people horribly misinterpreted his work

For the Lego Monkie Kid Fandom, it’s the fact that wukong is canonically aro-ace in the journey of the west book. I feel like a lot of people forget that lol.

@twotruckslyrics

4 ай бұрын

Yeahh 😞its really really common for fandoms to forget a character is aro, ace, or both

@Bunnyleadd

4 ай бұрын

​​@@twotruckslyrics Side eying the hazbin hotel fandom. But yea, especially in queer spaces, ive seen a LOT of aro/ace/aroace erasure. One of the only reasons i can assume people believe wukong is not aroace is that journey to the west has a lot of wacky and debateable translations with many things changing from translation to translation. An example would be nezha's age, which varies from being eternally a child to being an adult, or Tang having a lover in a few odd translations

@berry_x0x0

4 ай бұрын

I used to be in the fandom, and I had no clue.

@elalaela2694

4 ай бұрын

​@@goldie1943 I'm nowhere enough pages deep into it to have any valid opinions myself, but you're 11 centuries off

@goldie1943

4 ай бұрын

@elalaela2694 Oops, yeah that was just from a quick google search and I misread 😅 thanks for correcting lol

People hating happy endings. Not because they prefer other ships or something. No. They just hate happy endings. I understand that someone can prefer angst, but literally being angry at the author that some story ended well for most characters is a little childish. If you don't like the final, just write/read a fanfiction, don't make drama. Don't make fun of people, who are happy, because their favourite characters are finally safe and in good health. Amount of these edgy emo warriors is just sad.

@eleonorepb4565

4 ай бұрын

The opposite hapened with the ending of the Mirror Visitor series; the ending is not happy for all characters and is open for to the reader's interpretation. People hated it because they wanted a perfect explicite happy ending for all the characters.

Unpopular opinion here: If two characters are enemies, that does not always mean that they like each other- they might just be enemies. (Sometimes they do like one another, but people need to realise that this is not always the case.)

@jab9109

2 ай бұрын

Also, dislike doesn't mean enemy doesn't mean antagonist doesn't mean rival, all different and not exclusive things

@green-spectre

13 күн бұрын

YES!

The way how so many Percy Jackson fandom completely ignores canon(and real life disabilities) for extremely ableist “headcanons” of stuff like their personalities and a lot of other stuff. Don’t even get me started on the way they completely ignore Will’s severe trauma and his canon personality.

@JaneD0e_LuckyNxmbr7

4 ай бұрын

The fandom treating characters like percy and leo like they’re toddlers who can’t do anything without their girlboss™️ gfs feels so icky to me and also the fact that they boil down will and nico’s characters to their sexuality like man

@thesilverprincess

4 ай бұрын

Canon Will: Nico we just killed a person what am I supposed to do with this? My dad had to rely on me for emotional support and only now treats me like a son, I can’t figure out what to think about that. Sure, I’ll go to Tartarus with you, mostly so you don’t die, but you better know what you’re doing. Fandom Will: I’m Nico’s gay doctor and also a flashlight :)

@buy2get2free

4 ай бұрын

YES! And the infantilization of Nico. When you reread the books you see he's really a bit of an asshole, even if he's gone through some stuff.. But no, he's a "traumatized cinnamon roll," lmao

@eclipticallyawesome

4 ай бұрын

THIS THIS THIS.

@buy2get2free

4 ай бұрын

@@ranting2daMAX I don't think Nico was ever really emo, he's just portrayed as overly edgy in fanworks. Besides, "emo" is more a music genre than a specific style. Also, Bianca is his *older* sister.

I'm so tired of this trend of making main characters of franchises deadbeat dads. Like, we had a cool and very impactful story, and the main character learned all these valuable lessons and now let's just toss it all out in the trash!

@Imserious184

4 ай бұрын

I met a person who thinks of Naruto as a deadbeat dad 😭 Seriously, he had a lot of responsibilities. He couldn't have just abandoned the job he wanted his entire life and he even still spends time with his family.

@grantflippin7808

3 ай бұрын

​@@Imserious184 borruto is a brat

@osheridan

3 ай бұрын

I don't think Aang _was_ a deadbeat dad though. Yes, he had favouritism towards Tenzin, and I'm not saying favouritism is OK, but like... it's understandable. He had an entire culture to pass down. Yes, Katara ended up living at home... because she was very old!

@chicky_chinchilla

3 ай бұрын

I remember watching redwall mattimeo and was finally happy that Matthias wasn't a dead beat dad

@stellafanders

3 ай бұрын

Or making the parents of a main character worse than they are. Sure, Tim Drake's parents weren't perfect, they just sent him off to boarding school, classical rich kid sheltered life, but nothing suggested that they were verbally or physically abusive. Same with Willis Todd, Jason's dad. Him being abusive was a classist retcon in order to villify poor people

this applies to a lot of fandoms but BOYS AND GIRLS CAN BE FRIENDS!!! I am Sick and tired of people shipping any characters that so much as make eye contact with each other

@green-spectre

13 күн бұрын

Ya, but I think I'm partly a problem in this 😂

@LazyRosey-os7jy

11 күн бұрын

I hate how people irl look at a boy & girl or man & woman being friendly to each other & say that they are dating or have feelings for each other. Once at my school people thought 2 teachers have feelings for each other just cause they were seen hanging out with each other. Turns out they were cousins. Then there was this time that my friend thought these 2 teachers were dating or something just cause they held hands/touched each others hands. It frustrates me so much especially since I befriended boys in my past but now my friends thinks I like them. I don't even talk to them anymore.

@RandomTheIdiot55

4 күн бұрын

Hello there, Pokémon anime fandom.

@gyppygirl2021

11 сағат бұрын

Applies to every sort of relationship. Male-female, male-male, female-female, they're all shipped because they looked at each other once. Friendship doesn't exist anymore.

GETTING RID OF HERMIONE'S ACTUAL PERSONALITY IN FANFICTIONS. WHY.

@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel

3 ай бұрын

they want her to be a love interest and nothing else :(

@musilovesbooks

3 ай бұрын

@@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel it's so sad 😭 she's such a complex and amazing character

@meridaskywalker7816

3 ай бұрын

Same in later movies....

@justincampbell3891

3 ай бұрын

I don't really do HP fanfics. But based on the books? Hermione is basically a pain in the ass but somehow lovable. Cliff Claven from "Cheers" in the banging little body of a pretty Mickette.

@Arsonist_HufflePuff

5 күн бұрын

and then they make Ron unsupportive?? HELLO?? He's actually an awesome friend for Harry AND Hermione! I just think his canon character might have anger issues. And that one scene in the Deathly Hallows wasn't even his fault... THE HORCRUX WAS INFLUENCING DARK THINGS ON HIM.

Encanto (probably will make ppl angry): Of course you're free to HC characters as you want but it gets so stereotypical.. Isa didn't want to marry a man she doesn't love? She's a lesbian. Luisa is a strong, not typically feminine girl? She's transmasc/nb. Creators fought so hard with Disney to make Luisa have actual muscles and not typical thin and petite figure. I think this problem is in most of the Fandom, not only Encanto. It's so sad to see that when people see a non feminine/masculine character they HC them as anyone but their gender even if they're completely comfortable with it.

@IceFireofVoid

4 ай бұрын

Nobody wants to talk about the headcanons based on toxic gender stereotypes.

@seatbelttruck

4 ай бұрын

Wait, people hc Luisa as transmasc? But she's super feminine whenever she gets the chance to be... Her imagine spot is full of fluffy pink clouds and sparkly (donkey) unicorns!

@tsifirakiehl4250

4 ай бұрын

As a queer person myself, I hate when people just decide this or that character must secretly be queer because they don’t conform to every stereotype of their gender. First of all, gender stereotypes are stupid and constantly changing anyway, so someone who would have fit them a few decades ago might not fit them today. Likewise, a character who was breaking the gender stereotypes of their time might be gender-conforming by today’s standards. Not to mention, if someone tried to claim that an openly queer character must secretly be straight because they’re gender-conforming, they’d be laughed out of the fandom. Headcanon characters however you want, but reducing them to “iF yOu DoN’t AcT lIkE a PeRfEcT lAdY/mAnLy MaN yOu MuSt Be GaY” comes across as kind of gross.

@IceFireofVoid

4 ай бұрын

@tsifirakiehl4250 People can headcanon characters as whatever sexuality they want but please PLEASE can they stop claiming it's some secret malicious message when the whole basis for them thinking that is toxic masculinity or other harmful stereotypes? I've seen a Fandom send hate to show creators for "queerbaiting". The queerbaiting in question: two male characters had emotions, and were friends. And not very good friends, at that. I think people in Fandom need to start accepting that your personal headcanons not becoming true isn't a personal attack.

@headphonesaxolotl

4 ай бұрын

@@tsifirakiehl4250 Mitten from Animated Inanimate Battle said it best- "I'm free to violate any gender norms I want!"

From the PJO fandom, Grover. It feels like 99% of the fandom just erases his existence in favor of Jason. And on top of that the empathy link between him and Percy was barely brought up in Hoo

@tsifirakiehl4250

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I don’t understand why so many people think Jason is/should be Percy’s best friend. They could barely tolerate each other, and Jason was a much less interesting character than Grover. My best guess is that these fans just want all the pretty human-looking characters to hang out, and Grover can’t sit with them because he has “ugly” goat legs and horns.

@emerald9194

4 ай бұрын

Wasn’t the empathy link between them broken in HoO? Like, wasn’t that why Grover couldn’t immediately locate Percy when he went missing?

@christophermitchell9739

4 ай бұрын

​@tsifirakiehl4250 They only didn't get along in one book and for only part of that book. By the time they reunite they're calling each other "my bro" and Percy keeps it up in his mythology books.

@christophermitchell9739

4 ай бұрын

​@@emerald9194Suppressed by Hera, if memory serves

@Dustythetransman

4 ай бұрын

Such a shame, really. Grover was my favorite character even back in the 6th grade when I first read The Lightning Thief.

There’s so many elephants in the Miraculous Ladybug fandom it’s no longer a room but a full blown zoo.

Any BL fans here 😶 thinking the whole TOP/BOTTOM war is actually what IS making people outside the fandom deduce we fetishize gay people?

@MinttChocolateChip

3 ай бұрын

Another problem with bl is the smut😭😭 like im not saying having smut in a bl is bad im saying people need to take no for an answer and stop sexualizing noncon.

@ManiacalBlueberry

2 ай бұрын

Also with the people who see two characters look at each other and immediately start making smut of them. Those kinds of people scare me lmao

@purrowell

Ай бұрын

Its the stereotypes. I try to avoid m/m written by fujoshis because the bottom is always submisive, smaller, feminine or all three and the top ignores consent and starts talking like a rapist. It always makes me uncomfortable seeing as a reason i read less w/m is because of the gender stereotypes and the woman always being submissive in bed. Its not about top/bottom, its about inserting heteronormative ideas in everything.

I hate to say it as I can act like one of these people, but the Miraculous fandom simps over Felix and completely ignores when he tried to kiss Ladybug without her consent or when he dates Kagami, who he barely knows and who *just dated his cousin* who looks *identical to him*

@UltimateDespairado

4 ай бұрын

These are probably the same people who simp over Nagito Komaeda

@Kat_ashiii

4 ай бұрын

I like Feligami and Felix (because he's smart, not because he's a good person) but I feel like since Season 5, everyone's just forgotten that he kind of sucks?? Especially since he was literally stalking Kagami and making assumptions about her before actually knowing her.

@Asexual_Individual

4 ай бұрын

I think part of the issue is that Felix was a character in the fandom long before he was introduced in the show. For a long time (because ML competes with SU for first place in hiatus hell), Felix was just an abandoned concept character that the fandom was free to use as they wished, creating a collective fanon-version, especially after episodes like Syren when some fans wanted an alternative to Adrien. And though canon-Felix is completely different to fanon-Felix, some of that attachment would have still been there. Plus there's the fact that he's a white dude, which makes fans more willing to excuse and make excuses. Just as they did for Draco and Kylo Ren.

@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel

4 ай бұрын

felix also murdered all of paris

@sapomen1352

4 ай бұрын

​@@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel based felix

Any fandom with a faceless army (Firefly, Star Wars, LoTR). Some of these folks were just conscripted, brainwashed, gotta make a living. They aren't out to get the protagonists, they are just trying to make their way in the world.

@18Hongo

4 ай бұрын

I'm not sure Mordor and Isengard work on a capitalist economic system. But sure, the other ones I get.

@BrunoMaricFromZagreb

4 ай бұрын

Ever wonder why we're here?Besides to just stand around talking,in the middle of a box canyon...

@saturnas

4 ай бұрын

This reminds me when i read a fanfiction about a random stormtrooper whose dream was to pilot a tie fighter. She wasnt involved in any canon big conflict and was like "fuck it we ball" everyday but in the end everything exploded lol

@bookswithike3256

4 ай бұрын

Not that I like praising the sequels, but that is the whole point of Finn.

@JUSTxK1LL1NGxT1M3

4 ай бұрын

​@@BrunoMaricFromZagrebred vs blue reference 🥹

I feel like the Harry Potter fandom should acknowledge the slave race who like to be slaves.

@alicepersson9568

4 ай бұрын

Also the 'socially isolating children in groups to foster magic rasism' being a plot point in like, a very niche amount of fics at most

@chelonianmobile

4 ай бұрын

@@alicepersson9568 School Houses are a thing in the UK and the Hogwarts children are very far from "socially isolated". The Houses interact during classes and free time and have no bearing on your life after school, they're just "which dormitory you sleep in" and "gamifying being good".

@chelonianmobile

4 ай бұрын

I feel like we should acknowledge the house-elves were portrayed as brainwashed and Hermione as correct to want them freed.

@101Youfail

4 ай бұрын

@@chelonianmobile Hermione wasn’t portrayed as correct. The characters treated her as an annoyance and her organisation was literally named SPEW. Harry himself ends up being a slave owner. The signs that Rowling had some fucked up views were always there.

@eleonorepb4565

4 ай бұрын

​@@101YoufailI don't think that the autor wanted to says that she was wrong to fight to end slavery but actually that the way she did was not improving things because people (including the elves) have been like brainwashed to accept slavery as a normal thing and that she need to understand society first to fight a good way to end the slavery

…why do half of these just boil down to people being angry that fanfics sometimes go against canon??? Yeah no shit, that’s one of the main purposes of fanfiction

@_aeris

3 ай бұрын

Literally makes me so annoyed

@thichinhphan4010

2 ай бұрын

"Sometimes"? Make it "most of the time". Majority of fanfics are ooc BS.

@epicmarschmallow5049

2 ай бұрын

​@@thichinhphan4010... which is completely fine lmao. The author can write/rewrite/completely change to original character however they want

@LAZERAK47V2

2 ай бұрын

It's one thing to write your own fanfiction, it's another to disrespect the source material.

@Ansytea

2 ай бұрын

I write fanfics and often play around with characterization too (i.e: making a character a cannibal when writing a dark content fanfic). There's nothing wrong with changing up the character a bit! It honestly feels refreshing to write a character in a role they don't usually play, such as making the kind character a serial killer in a murder mystery, etc. It's all fiction! All fun and games!!! But I feel like most of these complaints rise up when people force it OUTSIDE fanfiction and fanart. For example, let's use Kaveh and Alhaitham from Genshin Impact. It isn't explicitly stated that they're queer (I'd like to preface I'm aroace and have nothing against my fellow comrades), but there are fans who would hate you and send death threats if you ship Alhaitham with Nilou or Dehya, claiming that he's strictly homosexual since he's secretly rooming with Kaveh and would attack fanartists/fanfic writers who go against it (which, doesn't really make much sense considering the culture Sumeru us based on. My arab mutual says arabs are generally very hospitable and allowing others to stay in their homes for a while. Plus, these sort of people forcing the agenda act like bisexuality is not a thing lmao ouch 😭😭😭-) Hence, I don't think most these anger stems from fan fiction (w-we all love fanfics right?-). It's when people take these headcanons and claim it as a fact. Imho, that's the only reason why half of these are people angry at characters being ooc. Just cause I write Character A as a yandere for fun doesn't mean I should go around claiming he's one everywhere I go. That's all ^^ have a nice day!

The "adorable ADHD gremlins" and "British Bean" are actually mass murderers. Sun had every right to shoot. Oh, and the people working on the show are actual people who do not deserve to be threatened over a fictional character's death.

@one-onessadhalf3393

4 ай бұрын

Sometimes it feels like “Misery” was a prophetic text

@Florceleste28

4 ай бұрын

Now I'm curious, what fandom is this?

@IvyDoggins

4 ай бұрын

@@Florceleste28 Sun and Moon Show.

@regionalvariantmaker

4 ай бұрын

The fact i thought this was abt bungo stray dogs cuz the fandom literally characterizes very bad people as quirky and gremlins

@smal5504

4 ай бұрын

​@@regionalvariantmakeri know someone in the bungo stray dogs fandom, she is literally INSANE over dazai

The undertale fandom seems to never figure out that ALL THE CHARACTERS are morally gray, so much that we have discourse every two weeks on whether a character was hitler or is an innocent lil baby. Like I don’t get it can’t we have nuance?

@blankedeye1451

4 ай бұрын

....except maybe Papyrus

@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel

4 ай бұрын

Except monster kid they did nothing wrong

@cindyzhaoyingzi8719

4 ай бұрын

@@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel They’re just a silly little kid that doesn’t really understand the adult-y stuff lol

@smileyhappyface5864

3 ай бұрын

As much as I like Undertale and I don't want to sound like I'm trying to disrespect Toby fox, I _strongly_ disagree. Papyrus, nearly all of the non-fighting characters, Alphys, and arguably Toriel are all unwaveringly good people. Making a mistake does not equate to doing something bad and accidents aren't moral failures, so outside of lying about the true lab, none of those characters are even remotely outside of the good area at any point in the story. Things get a bit complicated when discussing Asgore and Undyne (and especially Flowey), but they are blatant exceptions to that. And in that case, nuance is literally never shot down by the fandom unless you imply that you actually *dislike* the characters, which is a separate thing. I have no doubt that Chara has helped Asriel get medicine or something, or that Papyrus might've slapped Sans at some point, but that isn't something we see or hear about in the game because it's irrelevant information that isn't supposed to matter to the story or our perception of it. Acting like Chara isn't a bad person because they made a shirt for Asgore is a refusal to acknowledge nuance, and so is acting like Toriel _is_ a bad person because she left the kingdom.

@Missingno_Miner

3 ай бұрын

@@smileyhappyface5864 Toriel and Alphys are very much morally grey. It is important to note that morally greyness does not make a character a bad person, and in fact most morally grey characters are good people, just in general. - Toriel did abandon her duties as Queen and ultimately attempted to imprison Frisk, and allowed a total of seven children walk to what she believed would be their death when she could have accompanied them to confront Asgore. She's also shown to not really be a great parent: Between Undertale and Deltarune, her track record is at least three out of four(and that's only since we haven't seen DR!Asriel at all) children with crippling mental health issues which Toriel seems to be completely oblivious to. In particular, Chara is known to have been suicidal and Kris' SOUL-removal stunts are clearly framed as an analogy for self-harm. She's shown expressing concern about Kris' recent well-being, but she doesn't really investigate much, she doesn't try to speak to Kris about it, instead stopping when Alphys told her "they're normal". - Alphys, as you point out, actively and dishonestly hid her mistakes. She also lied her way into her job, and engaged in some big-time medical malpractice by injecting people with significant amounts of a substance she had literally just discovered without further study. That part wasn't an accident, and the fact that she couldn't have predicted the results is part of the problem. - "Nearly all of the non-fighting characters" Mf, nearly all the non-fighting characters are, at minimum, not actively opposed to Asgore wiping out humanity(Which is omnicide.), and some, like Catty and Bratty, are disturbingly enthusiastic about the idea. - Even Papyrus, the morally whitest character in the game, still has his issues. In context, the whole "dating a child" thing isn't as bad as it sounds, but he still did attempt to imprison an innocent child so that they could be sent off to die. - There's... literally no indication Chara was a bad person, at least in life. The worst things we hear about them are Asriel, who previously had a very warped perception of them that was incredibly unhealthy for both of them, admitting that they weren't as infallible as he believed them to be, and that they were willing to kill their attackers(which may have included their implied abusers), in order to protect Asriel.(Notably, we know from Asriel that they had absolutely no desire to harm any of the humans until after their shared body was attacked, otherwise Asriel would have detected it and taken back control sooner.)

Ganondorf from "The Legend of Zelda" is not misunderstood. Even in his more nuanced moments like Wind Waker, he has done horrific things. He is more than willing to kill people, destroy/disrupt entire cultures, ravage islands and kingdoms, cause disasters through forbidden arts, and torture, threaten, and brainwash his own people to further his goals. In Tears of the Kingdom, he breaks a woman's spine, watches her die, and the moment he witnesses someone bawling and panicking at her death, he starts LAUGHING. I don't care what his tragic backstory is or what his motivations are. Ganondorf is not some incompetent idiot, not the hero of some untold story, and not your bisexual heartthrob. He is PURE EVIL, plain and simple. But the fans aren't ready to have that conversation.

@Celestia282

3 ай бұрын

This is 100% pretty privilege. I've been a Zelda fan forever, and I never once saw anyone claim Ganondorf as "misunderstood" or a "tragic hero" until Tears of the Kingdom, exactly. Nintendo gave us a hot Dorf, and now thirsty people want to justify their attraction.

@NapaCat

3 ай бұрын

I like WW ganondorf the best, because of the lengths he goes with his more nuanced goals. I like evil antagonists with nuance, that aren't necessarily redeemable or antiheroes.

@Cyyruzz

Ай бұрын

Exactly!

@SteampunkMasquerade

28 күн бұрын

@@Celestia282people have like been like that over WW’s final monologue before we even knew what Totk Ganondorf would look like

Iroh was a successful general for his whole life, and that means he is personally responsible for countless deaths. The entire fandom has forgiven him for spending decades of his adult life being happily engaged in killing and conquering... which would be fine, except most of them will tell you Azula is "irredeemable" for much less.

@exilestudios9546

2 ай бұрын

Which is even more hilarious when iroh himself doesn't believe she is beyond healing and redemption, he just thought she needed to be removed from power before more people got hurt.

@elaineb7065

21 күн бұрын

They forget that her nation being at war is all Azula has ever known. About the only real career option for a member of the Fire Nation is either warrior, or directly related to that. And as a master firebender from seemingly the word go, Azula is training to be a warrior as all firebenders are expected to be. Iroh is a person who needed his son to die to see the personal cost of war; until then, it was a job he did, & he was good at it. Once his son died & put things into perspective for him, he was hit hard, not just by grief, but also by guilt & remorse for all the sons & daughters who died at his hand whose parents now grieve them just as he grieves his son. And then we have Ozai aka the WORST father in the whole show. Favouritism, strictness, coldness, high expectations, physical abuse... At least Zuko had Iroh watching his back, & before him, his mother. Azula only had Ozai, & he wasn't good to her either. He drove her to be who she is, & almost nobody can counter that effect on her. Especially not as the war backs him up.

@emerald9194

14 күн бұрын

Yeah, if Iroh can change, so can Azula. They’re just at different points in their lives and journeys. Iroh had many years to turn himself around. Azula is still grappling with everything and her own relationship to herself. She could very well get there someday.

Regarding the first one: I believe that to be the reason so many people hated Steven Universe Future despite loving the original series. Thematically, nothing has changed from one series to the next. I love them both!

@perrisavallon5170

4 ай бұрын

Ooh, as someone who loved Future that's a really interesting point! The SU fandom was, as a whole, very, VERY bogged down by fanon, and honestly I blame the long hiatuses and inconsistent release schedule. By the time Lapis Lazuli became a series regular she was already an entirely different character in everyone's heads than she was in canon.

@vexywexypoo

4 ай бұрын

I think Future couldve gone about their plot in a better way had they been given more seasons.

@emanuelborges4458

4 ай бұрын

@@perrisavallon5170People like to blame Rebecca Sugar and her team for the esporadic releases, but it was mostly Cartoon Network's fault. There were moments where they had various episodes finished, but they had to wait until CN decided the "best time of release". They also forced the bomb format (a special of five episodes in five days), forcing the team to cram the story in five episodes and fill the rest with fillers (though i think this isn't an excuse to uninteresting stories)

@Ssjvaca

4 ай бұрын

I don't know, Steven just suddendly being a HUMONGOUS dick to everyone, not giving a second chance to Eyeball and Aquamarine, almost killing his dead, ACTUALLY killing Jasper (then they revive her which makes the WHOLE point of shattering being a big thing pointless), and it being passed off as "oh it's trauma" even with ZERO hints of it being the case, then the WHOLE trauma being INSTANTLY RESOLVED WITH A HUG, I think it's fair to say Future is a big clusterfuck that doesn't even compare to its predecessor. I kinda like aggresive bitch Steven though, even if he's out of character for what Steven is supposed to be like.

@aromanticdisgr-ace4083

4 ай бұрын

I never really interacted with the fandom before after the entire show including Future had aired and MAN am I glad because what in the holy hell happened. Like sure, parts were rushed, there were elements that could've been executed better but as someone who watched it all isolated, I found very few thematic inconsistencies and none that really mattered. It was a about family, trauma, and finding healthy ways to deal with your issues through connection and communication. Not once does the show stray from this. And Future is IMO the perfect epilogue for a series all about picking up the pieces after the big dramatic finish, be that the gem war or the s5 finale. Of course Steven has a Messiah complex, of course he can't rest when there's peace because that was never an option since as early as he can remember, of course he's not going to be completely a-okay after learning that the tyrant whose mistakes they've been fixing since before he was born is actually his mom and he could have inherited her terrible traits. Of course he's scared of everything falling apart around him. The entire show is Steven trying to undo the mistakes of the past he played no part in and being hunted relentlessly for things he doesn't even really understand. He's 13-14 years old. His most formative years were riddled with life or death scenarios and the threat of intergalactic war which hinged entirely on him btw, the only extremely mortal person in this. If Future isn't the logical result of all this then I have no idea what else could've happened to Steven. Child chosen ones are by design going to be traumatised adults unless there's a really good reason that the fate of the world/universe hinging on them while they're in constant mortal danger doesn't affect them and Future shows us that Steven is not unaffected. It points at the child chosen one trope and says "it doesn't always have to be you" and lets Steven get some damn closure about all the things he was never allowed to process because he had to be the one with the answers, the one to stand in front all the time. The gems tried their best to shield him but ultimately they were all in terrible positions to actually do much. Steven would always be the target and the Diamonds were going to aim for him no matter who was standing in the way. Future was going to be the result of that no matter if we'd seen it or not

This one guy. There’s this one guy that gets ignored so hard.

@LazyRosey-os7jy

11 күн бұрын

From the PJO fandom: Grover

@user-tz3co6rz7o

13 сағат бұрын

Grover?

@user-tz3co6rz7o

13 сағат бұрын

@@LazyRosey-os7jy it so sad how we had the same though

7:06 YES OMG. I have BAD social anxiety, like bad to the point if I'm in a crowd for too long I'll have a panic attack, and yet I BARELY stutter, only when I try to talk as fast as my mind runs.

@aikoaikoaikoaikoaikoaiko

3 ай бұрын

i also have severe social anxiety and i stutter alot- but yeah just because someone has social anxiety doesnt mean they stutter in their every sentence-

@PaintandAiry

3 ай бұрын

@@aikoaikoaikoaikoaikoaiko yeah, plus everyone is different, I know someone who doesn’t have social anxiety and still stutters, some people stutter, and some people don’t. I guess everyone just collectively thinks people with social anxiety stutter ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@pressedrose1

Ай бұрын

and i have a stutter but im very outgoing. in general i dislike when people mischaracterize stutters and overuse them to be cute

@disco.ball0

13 күн бұрын

@@pressedrose1 yess and when people make like a flinch to scared like bro i flinch at loud noises and when i’m in a zone it doesn’t mean im terrified of my door opening

I suppose this goes for a lot of fandom but um…. Just because a person ships something doesn’t mean they think it should be cannon. Just because someone ships something doesn’t mean they expect it to be cannon Sometimes people ship characters simply for the fun of it, and there’s real no deeper meaning for it. Like I have shipped characters that are OBVIOUSLY bad for eachother ( Vox x Alastor, Iruma-kun x kirito, ect ) but I don’t ship them cuz I genuinely think they’re good for eachother. Rather, I do it because I want to explore why the ship wouldn’t work and how they could make eachother worse. And I ship a lot of characters, and I even dabble in ships that I don’t actually ship, but find fan works and fanart that makes the ship work for me. That doesn’t mean I want any of them to be cannon, or do I think anyone who doesn’t ship it “doesn’t get it” Shipping is just for fun. Sometimes we just wanna see some characters smooch, wether or not it “works in cannon” Also, to the people who attack others for not liking your ship ( or liking a ship you don’t like ) just stop it. It’s a waste of yours, and everybody elses time

@green-spectre

13 күн бұрын

THANK YOU! Shipping has just started being SO controlled. In my first main fandoms, no one really cared what you shipped(not like now anyway) unless it was illegal or abusive, but still then, it didn't seem to be as much as a big deal. But now in the two newer fandoms I've joined(H.H one of them) they get all killy over someone Shipping slightly off cannon, and it isn't even for good reasons half the time, like: NOOOO that person is dating canoniclly!(I don't care if this isn't a real word or spelt wrong) Or, even worse(not H.H) you can't ship that BI character with a BOY! THAT'S REMOVING LES'S. And with that logic you're doing same to BI PEOPLE! Sorry I got a little worked up, but I swear it's like everyone in fandoms now are all babies have haven't learn how shipping works. I just ship what I wanna ship.

@snartboy5000

4 күн бұрын

this is so important omg

Infertility doesn’t automatically mean sterility and adoption is a MF’er in Australia, with it being somewhat frowned upon because of Stolen Generations and forced adoptions. Yes, this is all about Brandy Cattle from Bluey.

@BrunoMaricFromZagreb

4 ай бұрын

I haven't watched the show.It doesn't air on my TV,& not sure where to watch it online & don't have the time do download pirated versions,but I'm aware of the plot point & have NO IDEA what the fandom has done with it.

@Sireington

4 ай бұрын

Explain?

@bjam89

4 ай бұрын

@@Sireington without knowing anything about bluey, white folks have this thing where they try to destroy indigenous cultures using a wide range of tactics like literally stealing kids and adopting them away so they are raised away from their culture, or forced schools that twist history, and does not teach people about their past. it is really tragic and there is most likely a reason you do not know about it.

@thetaria

4 ай бұрын

@@SireingtonI'm pretty sure OP is talking about a character from Bluey who's really struggling with infertility, the fact leading her to isolate herself from the rest of her family (her sister is the mother of Bluey, and Bluey's sister looks really simmilar to the character in question). Many people are like "why doesn't she just adopt" failing to see the implications of her feeling as if the child will never truly be hers or in general her feeling too destroyed by her infertility to even consider it an option. That's what I think at least, and it's only based on my knowledge from a video on it. The video is by Pugly here on youtube, I really reccomend it

@cac_deadlyrang

4 ай бұрын

@@thetariaAnd also, the aforementioned societal roadblocks, too, because Australia basically wouldn’t allow anyone who wasn’t a white nuclear family to have familial cohesion until the 70s-80s.

FNaF: The lore is actively made up of theory fanfiction with most pieces not fitting together quite as nicely anymore but people still hold on to those peaces because they like the fanfiction that was collectively created.

@BrunoMaricFromZagreb

4 ай бұрын

Much like Kingdom Hearts,the story would be better if it never existed at all,& if we ignored the lore.

@tinaherr3856

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm a part of the fandom (more specifically the theorist side) and it's honestly just a mess. Mainly because the actual story is a mess, never confirming things and giving only vague interpretations on what's going on. Because seriously, what thd hell were those endings for Help Wanted 2!? And why is there Dream Theory 2: Electric Boogaloo implied with the "oh, these games were in-universe video games" in the 1st Help Wanted and the Tales books!?!? The creators expect fans to get into the mystery, without giving all of the pieces for them to find and put together.

@saturnas

4 ай бұрын

I was never that much into FNaF but when they made the movie I feel they lost a big opportunity to create some kind of tied up lore that wasnt just a bunch of headcanon theories. Even if this canon was some kind of "movieverse" thing (like marvel got different canonical facts for comics and movies) and didnt affect the games at all, it would give the fans and the movie-only enjoyers a more consistent lore to embrace

@Dressup_Doll

4 ай бұрын

I used to like a different series that’s been running for over 14 years, and it makes way more sense than FNAF. NGL, it’s almost a bit sad.

@Myfavcolorsnotevenindigo

4 ай бұрын

thank you for saying this-Everyone seemed to immediately jump on the “Abby and Mike Schmidt” are Afton’s” thing before the movie even came out. Hell, even after the movie was released, a ton of people are trying to find some explanation for them to be Afton’s and it’s a little annoying 🥲

Any fandom that gets mad at headcanons. Yes, you can make the characters gay if their sexuality isn’t explicitly stated and yes you can make them straight. A lot of the people doing that are queer themselves and relate to the character already. Shipping and headcanons are (mostly) harmless. The characters can be straight, they don’t have to be. The same applies to gay characters. Sexuality or being queer is almost *never* mentioned for any given character. Gender might be, but considering how a lot of media isn’t allowed to show queer characters at all (East Asian media, mostly) I think it’s still alright.

@Anna-hy4sb

3 ай бұрын

That’s Most Fandoms I’m In Help 😭 Even Ones With Canonically Queer Characters,And They Get Mad At People Headcanoning Young Kids As Queer Even Though I Was Lesbian When I Was 7-8

@averagecupofcoffee

3 ай бұрын

@@Anna-hy4sb I understand! I’m queer myself (bi, ace) and I was always headcanoning characters as queer and ace too, especially when I got into MHA. Most of the fandom also headcanons the cast as mostly queer, but some of them are really toxic about it. Thankfully, I never had any social media or shared any of my headcanons on platforms, so most of the hate I saw was other people fighting.

@Junebuuuuugggg

3 ай бұрын

I always get so baffled whenever I see people being like “waahh, boohoo! this fandom is the worst because they made these characters GAY and they AREN’T >:(“ As if the whole point of fandom isn’t to just have fun and interact with others who have the same interests. I always say that canon is like a lump of clay, and each person on the fandom is their own individual sculptor. They can mold and shape that clay however they want.

@Junebuuuuugggg

3 ай бұрын

In the case of BNHA, I’ve seen a lot of posts along the lines of “what statement will piss off a lot of people in a fandom?” and without fail, one or more of the replies are “Deku isn’t gay.” Yeah, we know that canonically, he is not gay. But that doesn’t mean we can’t have fun and say that he’s gay in fanfiction, fanart, and headcanons.

@averagecupofcoffee

3 ай бұрын

@@JunebuuuuuggggABSOLUTELY!! That’s the perfect way to describe fandom. I agree completely.

9:31 This. This is EXACTLY what i see in a majority of the fandoms im in. You can try to find REASON for the things they do (i.e. Revenge, traumatic backstory, personality, etc.), but defending that is a WHOLE different story.

The Magnus Archives: Tim Stoker is not dead he is just on a reallllly long kayaking trip. (We also refuse to acknowledge a lot of other deaths, but that one is the big meme)

@sparkriver8173

4 ай бұрын

Wasn't another joke Peter Lukas doing the Kayaking trip with him? I think I remember something like that and it was hilarious. XD

@thetaria

4 ай бұрын

I still don't know where that came from even though I just finished s4. I did skip s3 QnA though so... also good to see TMA fans in random places :D

@lilalino

4 ай бұрын

@@thetariawait are you telling me Tim has nothing to do with kayaks in canon? I'm only at the beginning of season 3 but i've heard of the kayak thing and i just assumed it was based on a canon thing...

@dragonfly5835

4 ай бұрын

@@lilalinoIf I remember correctly he did go kayaking once when he was on vacation. Not entirely sure and can’t point to an episode off the top of my head so this could be a mandela effect haha

@thetaria

4 ай бұрын

@@lilalinome too but well... things go wild in the bad way...

I cannot believe no one acknowledged my massive issue with the Harry Potter fandom: Snape was *never* a good guy. Ever. “Always” doesn’t redeem him. It actually showed that he was a creepy simp who was mean to Harry solely because he wanted to get with his mom. Sure, he had allegiance to Dumbledore, but he also had allegiance to freaking Voldemort. I’m so sick of people acting like he was actually a good guy in disguise, or that the last book redeems him. So, it shed some light on things, but it didn’t do any favors for his character.

@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel

4 ай бұрын

tbh i don't give a flying hoot what Jk rowling says (she's obviously not the brightest tool in the shed) snape wasn't good and harry son should've been Remus Arthur or something like that

@pallydan893

4 ай бұрын

In a similar vein, I don't get how anyone would fawn over Draco Malfoy at all. Especially when they romantically pair him with either Harry or Hermione. The little sh*t is the fantasy equivalent of that one kid who wore confederate flag t-shirts and drew certain WWII symbols on the Jewish kid's notebook

@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel

4 ай бұрын

​@@pallydan893 yeah draco is literally a blood racist and called Hermione the wizard version of a slur, i don't even believe he got development i just think him and harry just kinda avoid each other

@chelonianmobile

4 ай бұрын

... No, he didn't "want to get with" Lily. The point was that he LOVED Lily. He showed that in some terrible ways but he LOVED her, truly, as a friend as well as romantically.

@xxyzxxyz690

4 ай бұрын

​@@pallydan893I mean I never shipped it in canon but I used to read Drarry fanfiction because it just makes for the perfect enemies to lovers setup. And the last two books did make me feel sorry for Draco even though he was awful for the majority of the series, and in the end it seemed like he turned out to be a somewhat decent person. I still think Rowling should've written a proper redemption arc for him instead of "Slytherin = evil, except for Snape because he fell in love once" and having none of the Slytherins stand up against Voldy at all. A lot of fanfiction gives the Slytherins in general way more depth and nuance which I always appreciated. But yeah a lot of people tend to forget just how nasty both Draco and Snape were in most of the books and imo Rowling definitely overdid it with the cartoonishly mean bullying

Most of the fandoms i have been in should understand Women wearing skimpy or sexy clothing doesnt mean they always want sex, are sinful or otherwise evil or bad in someway Women can have traditionally masculine traits or take over traditionally masculine roles in a straight relationship without it being a problem Relationships are something you progress through WITH someone Not an instant fix it tool or something Being a victim doesnt change their actions consequences or make them better,only explaining their thought process and reasoning You can be an abuse victim and still also be a horrible abuser

@disco.ball0

13 күн бұрын

that kast one(i’m pretty sure) was the topic of a study and it turns out that people who were in abusive situations, take domestic abuse, often become highly abusive.

9:08 "Star Wars was never good, it was just fun, had talented people working on it, and pioneered an entire aesthetic" I'm sorry, but mediocre movies don't tend to be unironically enjoyable, they don't kick-start entire subgenres, and they definitely don't get 12 movies (counting the animated movie), 8 spinoff shows, and millions of worldwide fans. Good =/= serious and realistic. Edit: Wanted to come back to this and say "the moment they tried to take it seriously it fell to pieces" is utter bantha fodder. Not only is the 'speculative fiction' part previously a complete strawman, it's a science fantasy opera and not a speculative fiction, but also... Has this person not watched Empire Strikes Back? Or did they think "I am your father" was a meme moment and not realise that's what everyone's parodying? Star Wars, at least the prequels, is the take of a young boy finding his identity and growing into a man. Dedicating himself to a life and making his own family, quite literally. It's a tale of familial love. Return of the Jedi's "I am a Jedi, like my father before me" wasn't undercut by a joke. It was a perfect, happy resolution to the grapple between dark and light within Luke throughout the movie. He doesn't just do good, he tries to coax good out of others. He sees the humanity in everyone, and that's what lets him win. I don't know why OP went on such a nonsense tirade about Star Wars, but it just bugs me to see this deeply emotional story reduced to 'campy Flash Gordon knockoff with no emotional substance'.

@username12120

3 ай бұрын

Right? What a shit post.

@cameronjohnson-tw7vv

8 күн бұрын

I agree, but something being popular doesnt equal that thing is of high quality or otherwise good

ADHD i swear all a character has to do is show slight happiness towards an interest and people will try and convince others there adhd coded. As if adhd is simply being hyper or having an interest. As if adhd doesn’t have anything else around them. Its fine headcanoning but jesus not every happy character has to have damn bro

@ellianar4151

4 ай бұрын

Definitely agree. So sick of fandom deciding that ADHD is Excited-Distracted Disorder. I have ADHD and I personally love ADHD headcanons for characters who aren't the stereotypical "omg squirrel!!!!" character type and instead lean into other ways ADHD presents itself.

@clonnie-cloo

4 ай бұрын

i honestly agree from the other side of this pov. it seems like a lot of extroverted, loud, over the top characters get adhd headcanons even if there's nothing really pointing to it, but not someone who doesn't fit the stereotypes even if they have a lot of traits that real people with it do. as someone who went under the radar for years, that mindset pisses me off. i also think there's the fact that adhd, or any neurodivergence, tends to get ignored if the character belongs to other marginalized groups. like, in the six of crows fandom, people will talk about the representation in the series and mention that kaz and wylan are disabled, and that jesper is black and bisexual, but not the fact that jesper is really clearly coded as having adhd. like, it's not subtle at all, i think leigh bardugo has said she did it on purpose, and honestly? he's some of the better adhd rep i've ever seen, but somehow it just gets brushed over?

@Batbitesthesecond

4 ай бұрын

Dude, a character will be hyper or something and that makes them have adhd apparently and its so annoying like ???

@tsifirakiehl4250

4 ай бұрын

@ellianar4151 I also have ADHD, and some of my favorite characters that I headcanon as ADHD are the characters from “Noises Off,” none of whom fit the “lOoK aT mE i’M sO hYpEr” stereotype. They’re characters in a farce, so their traits are exaggerated for the sake of comedy, but they feel like real neurodivergent people: Brooke has issues with auditory processing, Garry talks faster than he thinks and often forgets the words for things, Dotty struggles to keep track of which props she’s supposed to be carrying when, Freddie overthinks everything and worries that he’s stupid, and so on. They may not have deliberately been written as neurodivergent, but I honestly find them better representation than some canonically neurodivergent characters.

@ellianar4151

4 ай бұрын

@@tsifirakiehl4250 I feel that, with the unintentional representation being better than actual representation! I'm always wary of canonically ADHD characters since people will often default to a very generic portrayal of the disorder, whereas headcanons made by actual ADHD people will be more varied and represent genuine personal experiences. Same goes for autism in my experience as well. Also love the mention of auditory issues, since it feels like barely no one talks about it! One of my favorite characters I headcanon as ADHD for having a lot of anger and struggling with rejection sensitivity. Another character that I have an ADHD headcanon for struggles with time blindness and is often late to things. None of them are a quirky, hyperactive "omg shiny!!!! wait umm what was I saying??" type of character. Not that those people don't exist, but it feels so overdone.

Vocaloid: MIKU (and other vocaloids by extension) DONT HAVE TO BE THEIR OFFICIAL AGE!!!! FANMADE MIKUS CAN BE ANY AGE!!! THIS INCLUDES AGING UP AND DOWN (However, aging up probably still needs to be explicitly stated) (Mainly saying this because of the rabbit hole animation)

@odditycat2716

4 ай бұрын

I am of the belief that vocaloid canon ages are extremely stupid unless the voice provider is underage. they're VOICES. you should be able to project whatever you want onto them. it's fine if you find miku hot or ship her with Luka or Kaito or whatever. she's a voice and a drawing. she doesn't even have a personality

@thechonkyyuki

4 ай бұрын

So real,, the amount of vocaloid fans policing others over the vocaloids' "ages" and shit is so tiring

@kokoro7996

4 ай бұрын

To add to this. No, Rin and Len are not siblings. Their relationship can be whatever the song needs it to be.

@OffBrandLNFan

4 ай бұрын

I once saw someone ship Len x Kaito, Miku x Kaito, Len x Rin and Miku x Luka were all "pro-ships"...@@odditycat2716

@ranting2daMAX

4 ай бұрын

This! The only way that it should be considered a problem is if the voice providers for the Vocaloids were children at the time of recording, such as Kaai Yuki, voiced by like a 7-year old, hasn’t had an update to her voicebank since due to the provider aging! (Also this isn’t a hypothetical either btw.. there’s ACTUALLY a gross song out there that uses Kaai Yuki for this sort of stuff… ew)

Here's the thing about fandom. You can like and headcanon whatever you want. You can like ships that are toxic or abusive, you can picture a character as autistic or trans or whatever. It's all fiction, and the point of fiction is to be able to imagine whatever you want. But if you're going to do that then you need to also understand that not everyone in the fandom is going to share your opinions.

I'm probably gonna get burned at the stake for saying this, but I'll say it anyways. Asexuality/Aromanticism is a spectrum. Just because someone identifies as either (or both) doesn't cross out the possibility of them being in a relationship. Yes, aroace people CAN be in relationships. Yes, how this particular person would approach said relationship would be different than an allo person would. Yes, it is disrespectful to erase a character's aspec identity completely and say that a relationship "fixed" them. HOWEVER, it is also disrespectful to paint all aces with the same brush of sex-repulsion when not all ace people are like that. I get that people want representation in the media, but not everyone experiences things in the exact same way. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Varied. Representation. Matters. Your experiences are not universal. It's funny cause a lot of the time when I see ace/aro characters being shipped, it's done by aspec people themselves, but no one likes to acknowledge that bit I guess. (And yes, this is me bitching about the Hazbin fandom.)

@BJGvideos

3 ай бұрын

Why do you think you would get backlash?

@mx.mourning6817

3 ай бұрын

A lot of people within the fandom (I’m speaking Hazbin specifically here, but would not be surprised if it happens with other fandoms as well), tend to get really defensive when you mention this. A lot of people tend to only see this argument as “an excuse to ship” when all I’m really trying to say is not all aces are the same. I get people wanna be good allies, but I just wish people would do basic fucking research before going on the attack like that. And to be honest? I feel that’s the main issue here. People who aren’t even ace trying to determine what is and isn’t harmful, and when actual aspec people try to correct them, they lose their shit. Apologies for the rant, but for someone who identifies as demiro, it pisses me off to see this kind of thing. Makes me feel invalidated.

@starlydonati2008

3 ай бұрын

I love writing different types of aro/ace characters. (Apologies for the length) Sometimes it’s an OC who is ace and a sex worker because he did not get what the hype/taboo was and tried to learn by doing. Sometimes it’s a trio of OCs who are all somewhere on the spectrum and not interested in sex, but one learned she liked kissing by indulging the holiday curiosity of another who was satisfied with the one, the last having had a sort of crush that might have been admiration and she isn’t willing to explore what that means for her orientation so uses the label as best fit for now because she wants to communicate “I’m not interested” with colors instead of words. Sometimes it’s headcanoning Vicky and Tootie as arohet (quioromantic) and acehet respectively and exploring how being aro or ace affect their relationships with partners. Or headcanoning Timmy as biromantic ace who, along with Tootie, is apathetic about the whole thing. They have kids in the future, but that might be IVF. (I still feel weird about thinking about it “too much” despite certain other interpretations like him being a perv to girls his age being treated as normal.) Sometimes it’s aroace Marcy Wu who is so close with their friends who fall for each other that they fall in love with their love and, because they want to be a part of that love and to not be unequal in their relationship with their partners insist upon a romantic relationship despite not feeling romantically about their partners at all (cupioromantic). Sometimes it’s one of multiple interpretations I have of Lydia Deetz where she flaunts her technical marriage to her best friend Beetlejuice to avoid questions about her love life from family. Sometimes it’s Gus Porter having some sort of on and off thing with Matt, but it’s not really defined but he’s definitely ace in my head because he’s a comfort character for me. Sometimes it’s Alastor learning he’s ace from Angel who figured out himself after he died and maybe realizing his het orientated aroaceness had a spider shaped exception and he can actually stand him if gets to know him. Maybe he’s demihomoromantic, but never formed a relationship with a guy close enough to develop feelings because his platonic orientation is toward women. It’s fun to explore ways to experience relationships in fiction because I’m not interested in them in real life because I’m the stereotypical aroace who is sex repulsed and romance repulsed (in fiction romance is ok and even desirable to explore, but it does bother me sometimes, especially when it’s due to overwhelming levels of heteronormativity in the writing.)

@mx.mourning6817

3 ай бұрын

@@starlydonati2008 See, you get it. My problem isn't with aroace people who do feel sex/romance repulsion. They're valid and have my support. My problem lies with allos who think there's only one way to be aroace. The aspec umbrella is filled with multiple identities that would like rep in the media as well. Me included (Demiro). It just feels kinda icky to me that when people see aroace characters being shipped, they jump the gun and assume it's being done for the sake of erasure. Ignoring the artist/writer's identity or think they're faking their identity to "get away with it" (which is just downright disrespectful and reeks of TERF mentality).

@starlydonati2008

3 ай бұрын

@@mx.mourning6817 yeah. One artist I follow is aro and makes comics about an aro version of Boscha from the Owl House being in a romantic relationship with Willow. It’s so cool seeing what people will write from their own perspective instead of trying to dictate what kinds of experiences ought to define the representation of a group. I may want more sex repulsed ace rep, or friendship rep, but that doesn’t have to come at the expense of others. Both is good. If it’s coming from a place of lived experience or desire, most rep is good actually.

For undertale... The main character is heavily implied to be a young child. They go on dates with several adult characters throughout the game. The characters both clarify that they feel no actual attraction to the MC, but it still comrs off as really weird when you think about it for too long.

@rosykindbunny1313

4 ай бұрын

I choose to believe that Papyrus has no idea what a date actually is, and Alphys is just humoring you. I think that's what's implied anyway.

@purplepedantry

4 ай бұрын

​@@rosykindbunny1313 Yeah, it always sounds more like 'Okay, kid. Sure. I can play along with that. Want a tea party?', than 'I'll just take this seriously despite not having any incentive to, pure or not'.

@odditycat2716

4 ай бұрын

yeah, and also how their design kind of resembles a racist Asian stereotype what with the eyes and skin tone. I wholeheartedly believe it was completely unintentional but it still feels weird that no one talks about it.

@firelordoregano5632

4 ай бұрын

@@odditycat2716 she's literally a lizard T_T

@purplepedantry

4 ай бұрын

@@odditycat2716 It's sometimes talked about, but during the heyday, it was mostly played for half-heartedly stereotypical jokes, so it's at least a bit better that it's not being talked about in the same manner. I'd say we could definitely be doing better, though.

The Winx Club fandom constantly hating on Bloom because she became a Mary Sue in later seasons nevermind that those seasons in general were pretty badly written and everyone's characters were ruined yet everyone still loves those characters for their portrayal in the first 3 seasons and ignore their portrayal in later seasons yet for aome reason they don't give that same courtesy to Bloom

@elalaela2694

4 ай бұрын

There's a winx club fandom? Let me innnn

@medea__witchhh

4 ай бұрын

​@@elalaela2694bestie get in here with us loll

@naolucillerandom5280

4 ай бұрын

Yes, Bloom became a Mary Sue, but look at what they did to my girl Stella 😭 She's not even my favorite but that was just disrespectful!

@ed-edd-n-eddiee

4 ай бұрын

oh i used to be really into that show where can i find this community please help??? i want it??

@awhimsyreader9015

4 ай бұрын

@@ed-edd-n-eddiee It's mostly on Tumblr though you can find some KZread channels that make edits of the characters aswell as KZreadrs who do redesigns of the characters and maybe on Tiktok too

A problem i suffered from in a lot of my previous fandoms is not being able to accept that a media i was obsessing over wasnt perfect. Recently, ive been accepting the flaws in media i like, because face it, theres no 'perfect' media.

Good LORDDDDD I have a lot about the Steven Universe fandom, but my number one biggest gripe is how the fandom treats Lapis. I'm like almost 100% sure people only hate Lapis because for one episode she was mean to Peri, who's a huge fan favorite, so Lapis not liking her at first was a huge no-no, even though Lapis' REASON to hate Peridot was TOTALLY valid. Peridot literally kidnapped and tortured her for information on the Crystal Gems and Steven, which then lead to her being trapped in a fusion underneath the ocean for multiple months, so yea, it makes sense why Lapis was so hesitant to be nice to her. There's also an argument made against her that she was selfish for taking the barn with her and running away to the moon, but the reason she did that was because she didn't want to be caught in the middle of a war again. Last time, Lapis had no choice or way to run away from the war the first time, and it caused her over 5000 years of torment being trapped in that mirror and all, so it makes total sense why she decided to dip. And she even came around in the end and murked Blue Diamond, so that's not even a good reason anymore. Sorry for the long rant, I just had to get this off my chest.

@Engardian

2 ай бұрын

Naw I don’t like Lapis much because by her own admission, she “almost drowned a lot of people”. Like she had every right to not want to be around Peridot, who hurt her. But she hurt a lot of people herself, but is only ever portrayed as a victim. She gets better towards the end of the show though.

3:41 This is an issue I have in fandom sometimes. When people criticize the fandom for how they portray a character because it's stereotyping, when said portrayal is established by the source material. While fandom isn't immune to caricaturizing, sometimes the source is where the main problem lies. The fandom portrayal is just the symptom. Also, not saying I'm super versed in how the fandom treats Damien. But most of the time I see him, he's still a bit emotionally constipated and bad at expressing himself, but fairly chill and adores Dick. He's not portrayed as super aggressive (except with Tim maybe) because the whole idea is that he's unlearning/unlearned those things.

@Culo_Sniffin_Cheezit

4 ай бұрын

No because I'm not even a fan and I found it weird how they thought a kid who probably has problems, is violent, and eastern Asian as racist? Like, the bat kids are adopted from crappy lives, ofc they'd have a few emotional issues.

@yoyohan9

4 ай бұрын

@@Culo_Sniffin_Cheezit *middle eastern. And to be fair, most of the racism discourse I've seen is because of how that side of his family is portrayed, and the fact that they intentionally raised him to have violent tendencies. Even as a Robin, Damian was uniquely bloodthirsty as a child because he was raised to kill.

@plantainsame2049

4 ай бұрын

​@@yoyohan9Also, most of that aggression has nothing to do with their race.It's It has a lot more to do with the fact that ras al goul Is a millennia old Nutcase who regularly takes baths in evil mountain dew

@Culo_Sniffin_Cheezit

3 ай бұрын

@@yoyohan9 In a stereotypical sense tho? Maybe they just wanted a robin with a troubled homelife that just so happened to be middle eastern. I can understand why they might think it's a stereotype, but it seems stereotypical to assume a family of color is aggressive because of their race. Like only white people couldve been a good fit for abusive parents

@BJGvideos

3 ай бұрын

​@@yoyohan9Yeah. And his family isn't even the typical "violent middle eastern" stereotype either. They're effectively ecoterrorists who predate any modern belief system.

In my fandom there’s this huge ironic thing where there’s this one character who has a whole thing about not treating himself as a human that he only exists to fill a certain role, only for the fandom to completely water him down, not treat him like a human and basically only exists to be a ship tool. Yet no one talks about the very blatant irony there

@blueheart-mb8uj

4 ай бұрын

are you talking about nagito komaeda by any chance?

@LanieMae

4 ай бұрын

@@blueheart-mb8ujno I’m talking about John from Milgram but yeah Nagito can definitely fit this description as well

@BrunoMaricFromZagreb

4 ай бұрын

@@LanieMae I've NEVER heard of EITHER of these 2 shows...

@ur4niumsnail

4 ай бұрын

@@BrunoMaricFromZagreb Nagito Komaeda is a character from the second danganronpa game (the game series is about some 16 teenagers being trapped in a place and forced to kill eachother to escape, it's fucked up at times and not in the good way, more in the sexualising teenagers way so personally wouldnt reccomend but the concept had potential imo) and Milgram is a primarily youtube series where 10 people, ages ranging from 12 - 39 are placed in a prison for commiting murder, and the audience can go on a website to vote whether they should be forgiven or not forgiven for their crimes based of music videos that show their point of view of their murder. Unfortunately it is true that John gets bastardised lots, and from what ive seen the fandom is pretty weird about selfcest shipping him with Mikoto which will never sit anywhere near right with me

@LanieMae

4 ай бұрын

@@ur4niumsnail I mean it’s really not selfcest since they’re different minds and from what I’ve heard dating within systems isn’t uncommon. And this is pushing to the side how John said “snuggle together and say good night” when referring to mikoto that one time, but the fandom basically uses the ship to flanderise them and it’s ugh

The miraculous ladybug made me so angry when i discovered it bc how couldnt neither marinette nor adrian figure out who their respective other superherosona was despite them having the same eyecolor, haircolor, hairstyle, voice and the same very unusual allergy as some kid in their school that they see almost every day? Especially marinette, who is so obsessed with adrian that she even stalks him and wants to marry him one day more than everything?

@eleonorepb4565

3 ай бұрын

I think it's implied that there is a kind of magic that make them unrecognizable and even if in the show Paris seem to be like a village it has many people and Marinette and Adrien have no ideas that the other is someone they know

I'm sick and tired of seeing "Brown skin and brown hair = bisexual" and "Pale skin and dark or coloured hair = lesbian/gay" or a fun one "Happy giddy character with light skin and light hair = pan". Nobody perpetuates stereotypes like the people who do this (either hc or canon) This also goes hand in hand with making the one with brown skin more masculine even if they're a girl. Feels gross.

@lynnimaybe

2 ай бұрын

Nothing wrong with any of these one their own mind you. But the fact that it's all I see is the issue. Luz and Amity, Keith and Lance, Catra and Adora, Korra and Asami, Chie and Yukiko, many more I'm forgetting

@damianjblack

Ай бұрын

Pale skin and dark hair = Ñoldor, and don't let anybody tell you differently.

@naveerarizwan5329

12 күн бұрын

Damn ig all desi ppl are gay then…?

@mochibunnyan6556

Күн бұрын

Will Solace and Nico Di Angelo. Yes Nico IS gay, but idk why everyone immediately hc'ed Will as Bi/Pan even though iirc he's only clearly shown attraction to Nico?? Another man??? Never anyone else???

Fandom in general: aromantic and/or asexual erasure, or claiming the typical aphobic things like their lack of attraction makes the character boring. I might be biased, but I think if romance is the only thing that interests you, you're shallow and stubborn. Get creative. Edit: Yeah this was about Alastor lmao. But just in general aspec people don't get a lot of canonical rep. Let us cope with what we have please.

@hannahmetzger4880

4 ай бұрын

I agree, but we also have to acknowledge the fact that not _all_ asexual people are sex repulsed, and thus _can_ have sex, and we also need to acknowledge the fact that aro people _can_ have relationships. Because asexuality and aromanticsm _IS A SPECTRUM, FIRST AND FOREMOST,_ and I feel like hardly _anyone,_ even self-proclaimed and out ace/aro/aroace people, acknowledges that!!!!

@eclipsemoon01

4 ай бұрын

I completely agree. I have a particular fandom in mind and it might not be what you were thinking of , but Hazbin Hotel has an aro/ace character that is quite literally shipped with EVERYONE in the main cast. The fandom does everything to justify it but are essentially erasing aro/ace representation. It's made worse with the fact that the character is explicitly stated to be aro/ace. Why cant people just leave certain characters alone? I'm not aro/ace but I would hate for representation to be constantly erased and then justified

@noteless1

4 ай бұрын

@hannahmetzger4880 this is very true, but it can also be used to erase aro and ace people who are sex repulsed or do not want a relationship beyond platonic. We need a balance of both in our representation. Again, I am fully agreeing with you, just saying that we need representation for both ends of the aroace spectrum.

@noteless1

4 ай бұрын

@eclipsemoon01 yeah... it's almost just funny seeing him be put in situations he would canonically avoid like the plague, but it's insane how common it is

@ArixOdragc

4 ай бұрын

@@hannahmetzger4880 As a sex-positive ace person myself, I absolutely agree with this. The problem is that it's so easy to run into the same issue as claiming that a character is bi, but only ever showing them being attracted to the opposite gender - it feels like just paying lip service without actually committing to the representation.

In the Bungou stray dogs fandom Not one character, not a single person in this entire cast, is intended to be morally pure. They’re all fucked up and violent and they’re supposed to be. You can like any characters you want, but the incessant woobification is intolerable. Just accept that their acts of terror and violence were hot like respectable villain fuckers for Christ’s sake.

@buy2get2free

4 ай бұрын

That's why I don't understand fans who make Mori to be this horrible horrible guy, and the chosen ignorance toward a backstory not completely fleshed out in canon. He's not worse or better than most other characters

@SqualorOpera

4 ай бұрын

No to be fair I do understand that. You know, with the whole pedo thing. That being said, I do think people should be able to like him while acknowledging his flaws. I can’t stand when tiktok tries to woobify him, they’re even claiming he’s not actually a pedo. The writing could not be more on the wall about that.

@buy2get2free

4 ай бұрын

@@SqualorOpera I'd say the "comedic lolicon" is still a trope in Japan, although the actual thing isn't at all a joke. But like with the Tanizaki siblings I think yes, you can still like the characters and admit their flaws. I suppose I'm just touchy because a vast majority of fans coddle characters like Dazai and Fyodor, who have done atrocities that should be taken into account.. Like you say, "woobify" and I agree. I think it's unfair to support one character's actions over another because it is "attractive" or something (Sorry if very long)

@tempestpbkh

4 ай бұрын

Honestly, when I think about Dazai and a few of his actions I think of "The ends justify the means." And yeah, the fandom does really woobify the characters like Dazai and Fyodor.

@user-tr6mj3yk5n

4 ай бұрын

I hear you and I raise you: Aya

About the Damian Wayne thing, I somewhat disagree with the last person. I don’t read Cassandra Cain comics, but Damian is usually portrayed as having been that way as a child due to trauma, but when he started living with his father he mellows way out. Was he a middle eastern stereotype of being blood thirsty? Sure when he was 10. But he’s like 17 in canon now. He actually has a very firm sense of justice and is very anti-killing like his father, and this manifested before he was even 13.

The owl house - Amity’s dad was abusive. It doesn’t matter if Odelia pressured him, he still gave Amity trauma. I’ve seen so many people just ignore it or say things like “But it wasn’t his fault! He just wanted the best for Amity”. He was a bad father, and that’s a fact you can’t change.

@Icantchangemyhandlehelp

Ай бұрын

YESS

@Blazzyistrying

Ай бұрын

He was a bad dad in the beginning, but I don’t think he traumatised her.

@justahumanbeing215

Ай бұрын

People also give him too much credit and praise for just doing the bare minimum as a parent.

@Akanina_Gacha

6 күн бұрын

The fandom obession with Alador to the point of mischaracterization is insane

The ATLA one sounded very over-exaggerated, the part about Katara being a stay at one mom might as well be a lie since we hardly have any information about what happened between ATLA and LOK, plus wasn’t it stated that Aang did actually spend time with all of his kids, yet did more with Tenzin for the sake of the Air Nation? That one moment in the comics is pretty fucked though.

@areeba7045

4 ай бұрын

wait which moment??

@EF-kk3vh

4 ай бұрын

@@areeba7045i think they meant the one mentioned in the video about Katara being jealous, though I haven’t read the comics so I don’t know much about it beyond how it was described in the video

@areeba7045

4 ай бұрын

@@EF-kk3vh ah i see, thanks for the explanation

@redrose5904

3 ай бұрын

do u know what comis its in??

@Crafty_boy70

3 ай бұрын

@@redrose5904 no I’m not sure

7:45 It honestly makes me really sad how a lot of the Stardew fandom portrays Demetrius. He’s not the best step father and definitely has some favoritism, but he’s not abusive. I was confused when I got the the infamous scene where he ‘argues’ with Robin over apples. People forget that he didn’t say anything super rude and he even apologized quickly afterwards and explained that he has trouble with technicalities. Something similar happened with Jodi and Kent when Kent had a disagreement with his wife but quickly resolved it and no one talks about it. My man Demetrius does not deserve this slander

@firelordoregano5632

4 ай бұрын

sdv fans when obviously autistic man is obviously autistic

@pxme.granate

4 ай бұрын

I barely ever hear anything nice about Demetrius and it makes me so sad. And people get so heated about that tomato/fruit thing but like…it felt like an honest mistake to me, and if you agree with him in that argument, the resolution for it is so sweet. He gets so unnecessarily demonized in the fandom spaces I’m in 😭

@kitkatkk2543

4 ай бұрын

allistics when autistic character has flaws (they weren't a perfect little baby who just likes something a lot)

@pageturner2958

4 ай бұрын

@@pxme.granate My only hang up with that cutscene is that I have to chose one or the other when fruit is a botany term and vegetable is a culinary one so are not mutually exclusive and so I should be allowed to say both are correct in their ways of thinking... but that is likely just me

@ebonydarknessdementiaraven4610

4 ай бұрын

REAL Demetrius is so misconstrued and over hated by basically everyone in the fandom :((

Warrior cats. Practically the entire premise as well as all of The Tribe of Rushing Water (yes that's what that faction is actually called) are either rooted in or entirely native american stereotypes. Theres a great google doc on the matter made by an indigenous member of the fandom to explain all this better. Its become less of an elephant now as more people are AWARE of it, but yeah its uh. It's something people just mostly ignore anyways.

@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel

4 ай бұрын

wasn't the tribe of rushing water literally based on 9/11 so they feel a little iffy

@flyingstonemon3564

3 ай бұрын

​@@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel I didn't think I'd hear a sentence with "Warrior Cats* and "9/11" in the same breath like what

@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel

3 ай бұрын

@@flyingstonemon3564 it was something like after 9/11 they wanted to have a group of cats with another belief system (cool concept but weird reason why imo)

@adumbooctopus1115

26 күн бұрын

​@@Cinnamonraisin_Bagel you're exactly right! One of the Erins said this herself (I think it was vicky??)

Star Wars was never meant to be “taken seriously as a work of speculative fiction.” It’s a fairy tale wearing a sci-fi dust jacket. And it was a very classic, enjoyable fairy tale.

For Sonic, Amy Rose was created before Tails, Knuckles, Metal Sonic, etc. And, she deserves more respect.

@Orange_Swirl

4 ай бұрын

Damn, I should have included this in my comment.

@grunkleg.3110

4 ай бұрын

Was she? Both Amy and Metal Sonic came on the scene in the same game, and Sonic 2 and CD were in development at the same time

@rainpooper7088

3 ай бұрын

@@grunkleg.3110Amy was technically created for a manga way before Sonic CD, actually. That same manga is also where Charmy Bee came from and he's probably the most disrespected reoccurring character in the series(he literally lost the Knuckles Chaotix popularity polls to the one-off robot characters with zero personality by a landslide), so I'm on board with respecting these characters.

@asrieldreemurr1647

3 ай бұрын

@@rainpooper7088 Funnily enough, Sonic CD was actually confirmed to take place before Sonic 2, meaning that Sonic and Amy's relationship started before he befriended Tails

@krilc

2 ай бұрын

Meh...by that logic Vector the Crocodile is more important than Amy since hes from the OG concept art of Sonics band

To be fair to the ace attorney fandom, Phoenix’s relationship with Iris was never healthy as it was based on several lies and it lasted 8 months. Plus, people do acknowledge that Phoenix is a bisexual disaster.

@Imserious184

4 ай бұрын

I don't understand you think it's bad for them to acknowledge he's a bisexual disaster?

@WhiteWolf-lm7gj

3 ай бұрын

​​@@Imserious184No, the original poster was suggesting that everyone sees Phoenix as gay (strictly attracted to men), when the fandom instead sees him as bi (not erasing his interest in women). This person is defending the fandom, they don't see it as a negative.

@averagecupofcoffee

3 ай бұрын

Yes!! You can absolutely ship Phoenix and Iris, since they did genuinely like each other, but saying that a relationship that’s actually explored for literally one case is overlooked is a given. (And of course, we all know Phoenix to be bi. just bc the fandom likes narumitsu doesn’t mean Phoenix x Iris can’t exist.)

@khaerinaenno

3 ай бұрын

(one of the lies actually being Phoenix believing he was dating completely another person; and another one being that Iris knew that this another person was going to murder Phoenix, but actually ignored it and never tried to protect him from being accused for the murder - which very well could mean a death penalty)

@sn0wcake

3 ай бұрын

yeah like idk im a wrightworth shipper for sure but i could see phoenix having some chemistry w/ mia when she was alive...

Fandoms suck. Plain and simple. You should enjoy the things you love on your own and never interact with other fans online because you WILL start to hate the things you love and also all of humanity. I have stopped being a fan of many things because of the fan base only to rediscover the thing years later and remember that it was actually really good

@theking8347

2 күн бұрын

The whole point of fandoms is to enjoy something together

@ninakrishnamurthy6674

2 күн бұрын

@@theking8347 You forget that the word “fan” comes from “fanatic”. Enjoying something together is fine if it’s with your friends and family, but taking it online is dangerous. And I, for one, have been burned too many times

Harley Quinn and Jokers relationship are not relationship goals. It’s abusive.

@jab9109

2 ай бұрын

Also, it's supposed to be abusive, Jokes shouldn't get "fixed" because of love. He will not love you, he is LITERALLY as in a literal manner or sense, whiteout exaggeration the worst person ever.

I love how in the creepypasta fandom half of the fandom is so angry trying to explain how the hot versions of them aren't canon and none of the characters would never act the way they do in the fanfics and would kill you in 2 seconds flat while the other half of the fandom collectively ignores them

@rushingwater2.0

4 ай бұрын

I’ve been in the creepypasta fandom since 2015 and it’s still one of my favourite things to see like, these are literal killers and cryptid monsters, but it’s so fun to make them found family as well I like both interpretations of the characters depending on what I’m reading or in the mood for, and I find the arguments between the different sides of the fandom to be really funny and some good quality entertainment

@pikacrafter2903

4 ай бұрын

As someone who was really into it in middle school and has had a couple visits back from time to time, I think it's a really interesting fandom! You can go either super dark and heavy on the murder or you can just not and you'll have people there with you either way.

@naolucillerandom5280

4 ай бұрын

I haven't been in that fandom since 2015, but I remember this. It's an odd memory.

@BlindStarLily

4 ай бұрын

The duality of man- Psssst I totally agree. I’ve been here for a good handful of years now, and I love indulging in both the more realistic takes on the characters and the off the wall bonkers fanon versions of them. My only concrete rule is that the Jeff the Killer reboot is the only canon Jeffry Woods to me-

@Ardorstorm

3 ай бұрын

I'm not even in the creepypasta fandom and I love that there are "hot versions" of the characters to self-indulgently fantasize about even if the canon is usually just a badly written horror story about a guy who kills you while you're sleeping

The whole “Aang is a deadbeat dad thing” is… complicated. Firstly, the scene in the comic mentioned isn’t Aang ignoring Katara’s feelings. It’s not her ignoring his either. They both don’t understand what’s happening for each of them in that scenario. It’s a miscommunication. Aang is rightfully a little tunnel visioned on this group of girls who have tried to pay homage to his DEAD CULTURE. He does pick up on Katara’s weariness in the beginning and makes sure to establish and introduce her as his girlfriend. She later realizes that she was jealous for no reason. She didn’t realize that Aang wasn’t focused on Avatar fame, but on the touching and exciting idea that people are invested in breathing life back into his culture. So she’s happy for him. As for him as a parent: Bumi and Kya would have a lot more to say if they felt like Aang was truly a bad father. There are scenes that show that they loved him and hope they’re doing him proud. They look back on a family photo fondly, not with the contempt the way you would think children who were the victim of an abusive father would be. Now I’m not saying Aang wasn’t tunnel visioned again at times. He’s the Avatar, a husband, a father, and the last person alive to teach the only other Airbender alive about the Air Nomad culture. The man is going to be busy and have his attention split. It doesn’t mean he never tried. It just meant he failed in some areas, areas that some of his children resent him for a little. Guess what? My dad will die some day. And I’ll likely still have resentments, even if they aren’t as poignant. Aang had a character flaw as a father and wasn’t perfect and made mistakes, boo hoo. That doesn’t make him a bad parent.

@Falllll

20 күн бұрын

I hate that people seem to be incapable of seeing it as "he was flawed as a person, much in the way that people are." He wasn't a terrible father and a deadbeat and he wasn't a perfect person who never would have made those mistakes either. It's not a character assassination to have your character who's generally a great person be a less than ideal parent, particularly if the weight of an entire culture rests on said character's shoulders passing it down to a kid.

It's fine to make characters gay in your fiction. But people claiming characters are "obviously" gay in canon material only "the creators didn't have the courage to show it" is what really sets me off. What is not included in canon is not canon, period.

@starlydonati2008

3 ай бұрын

Quick question, are Victor and Yuri from Yuri on Ice gay? Is Amanda from Chasing Amy bisexual, or a lesbian who went straight after meeting the right man? Is Namona from Namona genderfluid? Sometimes it’s not said with modern day terminology, just shown though actions and people are still unwilling to read the most basic of subtext. I understand lots of people get very set in their headcanons and have a hard time separating them from canon, but sometimes it’s a matter of multiple readings being possible, with one of the intended readings being the gay one and people passionately explaining their thought process is endearing and useful to understanding it even if you want to share your reading of the text too that clashes with theirs. Sometimes, the “obviously” in “obviously canon” is a self defense mechanism from years of being told no one like you exists, especially not in fiction.

@MrTigracho

2 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, it gets really annoying. Most people Who do this claiming later go on bashing and harassing anything "het" with said characters, and if you oppose their actions arguing against their claiming, they call you homo or lesbo phobe. They also use, if they find said characteristics, the term "coded" to say a certain character is gay even thought is barely or not implied at all. And even so, does that give them the authority to police the fandom like that? Absolutely not! Then again, most of the people are bigots in their own right once you check up records of their activities in their profiles(Twitter, Reddit) and, Hate to say this, a lot of them are queer, a Pattern I see often repeated. I can understand if their hatred from normalized relationship or sexuality depicted in media is rooted in traumatic experiences of bullying and harrassment due to their queer identity. I really do. Nobody is born naturally as a jerk or malicious. I albeit I ain't queer, I know how being bullied feels. And that is why I come here, writing this. Please, don't harrass others for their headcannons which you dislike, turn away and focus on what you like.

@Spleenchomper

2 ай бұрын

After trolls 3 came out there were all the random toxic people who kept saying how gay velvet and veneer are (which is also very stereotype-y) and would harass and attack people who disagreed and also kept calling them girlbosses and the only good characters.. trolls is one of my comfort franchises and it was super uncomfortable 😭

@Venjamin

2 ай бұрын

I disagree with you to a point. It's VERY possible to be the truth. I mean, queerbaiting is very much a thing that happens all over the place, and it's not because the fans are all delusional. Do I think it's queerbaiting every time? No, of course not, sometimes the fans ARE delusional. Lol. But sometimes it really is just a "they couldn't show it." There's one fandom I'm thinking of recently, where everyone was like "These two characters are gay" (I think it's called American Housewife?) and the series got cancelled - the showrunner said "yeah these two were gonna be in a full on gay relationship the following season." It's word of god fiat now, but it's just an example of 'it was there in the writing, even if it wasn't explicitly stated.'

@Dr_Mortis_SCP

2 ай бұрын

I will say one exception to this, and it’s Bungou Stray Dogs, where the creator confirmed that no ships would ever become canon, out of respect for the authors the characters were based on. In that situation, I’d say “this is obviously what the author intended” is not a wholly unreasonable thing to say, depending on the context

Furry: there are way more sex pests that people ignore than people realise. Now I’m not talking about sex offenders or r@pists. Not talking about paedos or zoophiles. also not talking about the weird fetishists. I’m talking about people who will do nothing but use others for sex, or in the case with me, ignore others boundaries in favor of sexual gratification. It’s not seen as much of a serious issue when it really is. I’ve had an ex partner try to break up my newer relationships because he wanted to keep me around as a fuck buddy because he couldn’t get any. Oh also the rampant drug/ alcohol use, but the lgbt community also deals with that. I’m of course not saying you shouldn’t consume the above, but we’re talking a need for moderation and safe practices that isn’t there right now.

@jasperjazzie

3 ай бұрын

honestly though that's not even really a community thing so much as the fact that people suck sometimes, and those people are going to be in any community or fandom. they're just as shitty inside or outside the group, so it's not really the group's fault that they exist

One thing I notice is a lot of people use "you(character A) can't control others(character B) actions" or other similar messages, to ignore how 1. Character A directly enabled or contributed to Character B's actions (ignoring their direct part), or 2. Ignores Character A's issues and guilt cause Character B's issues and guiltiness is more obvious/ present

@paigemosher8697

4 ай бұрын

I don't even have fandom experiences like that, people have pulled that shit on me IRL. Like I'm somehow able to choose how I feel but other people have no choice but to act in a way where it's blatantly obvious I would get upset. If you act in a way that causes an emotional response, that is the consequence of your actions and you made that person feel that way. End of.

@amazinggrapes3045

4 ай бұрын

Yeah this isn't a fandom problem, this is a therapy problem 😭

Luke in the Percy Jackson books was very much a villain and did some awful things. In the second book he ordered a monster to kill/eat Annabeth and had Chiron and the centaurs not shown up at that instant, she would have died because of that. He helps to brainwash young demigods, children, to fight in a war. He manipulates Silena and gets her boyfriend killed, because of that. He sides with Kronos, do I even need to explain further? Sure, Luke has his motives, but that doesn't excuse siding with someone he should know will throw him aside the moment he isn't useful anymore. But Luke ends up sacrificing himself to kill Kronos and save everyone, so every bad thing he did is instantly forgiven by the fandom. I'll admit, I'm one of those guys. But he still was a major antagonist for the five book series and did some seriously messed up things.

@shayshay8650

4 ай бұрын

And every one has the audacity to villainize Silena.

@ishapratap5224

4 ай бұрын

EXACTLY. Just because I think Luke had a point about the gods DOES NOT mean that any of his actions weren't wrong.

@eaglefan2569

3 ай бұрын

People wanna victimize Luke by saying Kronos did all the heavy lifting, but that's definitely not the case. Luke knew pretty well about what he was doing (the only thing I think he was genuinely unsure of was the fact that he was going to be used as Kronos' host if a Big Three kid couldn't be convinced) and stuck to his guns numerous times. Yes, Kronos was the ultimate mastermind behind the plot, but Luke isn't blameless, wasn’t possessed, and wasn’t brainwashed. Pretty much all his actions in TLO, TSOM, and TTC were his own, and shouldn't be ignored just because Luke was a Greek tragedy. He's a well written character BECAUSE of his flaws, and that falls apart if you try and ignore them.

@Engardian

2 ай бұрын

Yeah it kinda pissed me off at the end when they’re like ‘you’re a hero Luke! You’ll go to elysium!’ Like, no. Living a life of hurting others is not erased by one good deed at the end(that deed being killing himself/and Kronos). Wow, you solved a problem that YOU were partially responsible for! Too bad you had to murder all those kids to get to that point, huh?

@LittleMezzoBird

Ай бұрын

@@eaglefan2569 I actually think he might have known. Now, I've only read the series once, but I remember being absolutely horrified by the ending of Battle of the Labyrinth. I spent so much time asking myself, "Did he know? Did he know that was the plan?" Then I started skim-rereading Titan's Curse because I still had it out of the library, and somewhere there's a scene where the general (Atlas) makes some reference to Luke's part in the plan, and Luke visibly pales in response. So, I could very much be recalling that wrong, but I think Luke actually may have known.

I hate when two character have a great friendship, but the fans turn it into only a ship. Like… I kinda understand why people think men and women can’t have a friendship, but men-men and women-women friendships are beautiful things in itself, why can’t we leave it that way? Why people feel the need to make it sexual?

@callanthemeryllia252

26 күн бұрын

I've noticed this take where a lot of people (...usually men...) interpret romance and sexuality as "strictly worse" or "incompatible" with friendship. Fun fact: being in a relationship with someone doesn't mean your friendship is ruined. Like y'all have never seen two people who are close friends then eventually discover feelings for each other? Or two people in a relationship who are still each other's best friends? That's legit living the dream. Or just look at how many people out there in the world are married and yet no longer have any sex due to one reason or another. Look, if someone "shipped" me and my close friend (of any gender) together, I wouldn't feel insulted and call it an "atrocity against our friendship". I'd be like "oh interesting" or "oh cool, but no thanks here". But maybe it's a sensitive subject for men? And if you don't want to think about the sexual side of a character dynamic, you can just block those types of comments, filter out explicit fics, etc. I'm kind of on the asexual spectrum myself, and I often skip through smut scenes to get to the actual character dynamics. I don't automatically associate "relationship" with "omg they must be having sex all the time." And hey, if you want to keep your sacred same-sex friendships, feel free to just stick to, uh, 99% of all canon media in the history of the world.

@Lex77755

26 күн бұрын

@@callanthemeryllia252God, just admit you are horny. I don't care about your condescending opinion. Friendship is a very beautiful relationship, which is greatly undervalued for mindless smut fantasies, because ‘they’re are so hot together’.

Personally I think it’s annoying when a fandom takes an energetic, kind of crazy, goofball character and just portrays them as a clueless baby who has no signs or concept of intelligence. Like Luke from Street Fighter 6, Papyrus from Undertale, Bumblebee or HotRod from Transformers, the list goes on.

@NoxietyPrime

3 ай бұрын

See also: Kel, from OMORI.

An issue I had with some fandoms I'm in is that they always treat the youngest siblings of a family like whiny crying babies that cannot stand for themselves at all without the older sibling's help, even thought the canon material proves that they are more than capable of standing up for themselves on their own. The characters that I think about regarding this topic are Luigi (from Super Mario Bros.) and Michelangelo (from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles).

@azr3ii

4 ай бұрын

OH MY GODD i just got reminded of the fanon interpretations of 2012 michelangelo... like, 2012 tmnt wasn't my favourite but mikey isn't a sweet uwu crybaby .... and to add on, raph is so often characterized as an abusive brother to mikey especially, when mikey is the one instigating him a lot of the time. i love tmnt but the fandom......

@kanemorsillo5501

4 ай бұрын

I'm annoyed by this as well, and when it comes to Luigi, the Mario movie really didn't help in this regard by making him stay stuck in a cage throughout most of the movie until Mario saves him, that just made peoples perception of his capabilities even worse than it was.

@thediscodevil0949

4 ай бұрын

I didn’t realise that this was the case with Luigi, lol. There are times in the Mario & Luigi series where he has to continue for a while alone to save his brother. Don’t get me started on the Luigi’s Mansion trilogy.

@alejandrojerboa

3 ай бұрын

as soon as i saw ur pfp while reading the comments, i knew u were going to bring up Michelangelo.

@BJGvideos

3 ай бұрын

​@@kanemorsillo5501You may like how Luigi was portrayed in the live action movie then. It predates the "Luigi is a coward" characterization from the games, so he's a reckless guy with a penchant for science fiction stories.

My biggest issue with the miraculous fandom is when they excuse Mari’s stalking because of Trauma but when characters with similar Trauma show up and do something less extreme than Mari they are suddenly the devil. Like the main caste thats not Adrien and Mari believe Lila’s lies (NOTE THE MAIN CASTE ARE ALL CHILDREN IN FRESHMAN YEAR LITERALLY ALL OF THEM) And the fandom is like “THEY ARE ALL FILTHY TRAITORS” ah yes, children are traitors for believing a kid that the adults in their life also believe, so evil. Alot of these characters have worse issues than Marinette, rose has a deadly disease, some one them lack parents, Alya is practically raising his sisters and her parents are never home so shes kinda like a mom at the age of 14. AND THE CHARACTERS THEY CLAIM ARE “TRAITORS” USUALLY SACRIFICE THEIR LIFE FOR MARI 24/7 LIKE ALYA HAS DIED MORE TIMES TO AKUMA ATTACKS SAVING MARI THAN ADRIEN AND EVERYONE IGNORES IT.

@montserratmarroquin400

4 ай бұрын

I feel like the reason why the fandom doesn’t like Alya is because she believes Lila’s lies (which is really stupid because she knows THE LADYBUG and still believes) but apart from that I don’t really see the hate for her because I actually like Alya

The existence of Mineta in my hero macadamia nut. Most fanfics just erase him from existence. And they should, because he sucks, and I think it also says something about his character that completely obliterating him from the story changes absolutely nothing about it, despite him having more screentime than other characters who, if removed, would alter the plot, themes or general enjoyment of the story. I've heard some people say people would acknowledge him more if he was more attractive (although I think it's less about attractiveness and more that his character design is kind of terrible, but that's a discussion for another time) but I've seen some pretty abysmal characters in fandom get 'refurbished' in fanfics instead of replaced before - the reason I think it doesn't happen with him is because I've never seen a more unnecessary character in any show. Hate bakugo all you want, but if you removed him, it just wouldn't work with the plot and themes - but Mineta? Yeah, he's nothing.

@disco.ball0

13 күн бұрын

mineta can be removed from the storyline because his plotting with denki just starts filler episodes or little details in the show. nobody gives a crap about the three foot grape dude, but he’s there to be a creep

@abbyelectric

4 күн бұрын

in a fanfic I want to write, I do have an extra (like... tertiary...) goal of having Mineta be scared into changing his ways, by letting him witness what happens when you act on your creepy little scumbag ways, but through a different, OC character. Could be fun to explore I think.

In the Poppy Playtime fandom, everyone just collectively agrees to completely ignore/deny the fact that DogDay died in Chapter 3 and I've seen people make mods, AUs, comics, fanart, and fanfics where the Protagonist saves DogDay from the Playhouse, helps him with his legs, and makes him into a new tag-along companion for them. I honestly find it both amusing and adorable that a single stuffed dog who only got a few minutes of in-game screentime was able to capture the hearts of many to the point everyone started a riot over the fate that he received in canon.

@montserratmarroquin400

3 ай бұрын

We don’t know if he died exactly, we can hear him gagging and I’m pretty sure that he is just being controlled But I do agree that he definitely stole a piece of my heart (especially his ears they look so fluffy)

Kris Deltarune was a person before being the player's vessel. Nobody knows that Kris is being used as a vessel. Toby Fox puts a lot of meta narratives on how horrifying being in a video game world would actually be. Therefore, brushing off the fact that everyone in game uses they/them pronouns for Kris as "just being because Kris is the player's vessel" misunderstands the point of the games. I got into a debate once about this once, and I have seen many parts of the fandom that are alright with Kris being non-binary, but I am still putting this here

@BookWyrmOnAString

4 ай бұрын

This did not go where I thought it would lol

@pageturner2958

4 ай бұрын

@@BookWyrmOnAString Yeah, I just have only ever seen the "Kris is just the player's vessel" argument in relation to Kris's gender If you have seen it elsewhere, then this applies in that instance as well

@LoverOfStuff

4 ай бұрын

IVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR SO LONG AUGH Listen, I use any pronouns. I would be so stoked to see rep in that regard in something as big as a Toby Fox game. But that is absolutely not what’s happening. The entire point of Deltarune is that Kris is their own person with their own identity, completely separate from the player. They are, in no way, a projection of you. There is no exception when it comes to how you refer to them (take note of the game literally trashing the name you give them). To ignore this part of their characterization (or worse, only acknowledge it when it benefits you) just to avoid “they/them” is just transphobic at this point. When the game first came out and we weren’t sure where the character was going? Fine, I can accept early DR content gendering them. But surely we have been analyzing this game long enough to know what the goddamn main character’s pronouns are. But if a rant but it’s been bugging me a lot of as an nb person

@FrozenFennekin

4 ай бұрын

Yeah honestly the enbyphobia (or even just the misgendering of the SIX** (major) canon nonbinary (or at least not boy or girl) characters we get) in the Deltarune and Undertale fandoms makes me want to scream. **The six characters being: Kris (they/them), Seam (they/them), Napstablook (they/them), Monster Kid (they/them), Frisk (they/them), and Chara (they/them, also uses it/its in genocide). Mad Mew Mew (then Mad Dummy) used to be on this list but she transitioned. Onion-San might be enby but no other characters talk about them. Every character on this list, with the exception of Frisk, is well known by the characters using those pronouns (except Jevil, who doesn’t refer to Seam by any pronouns for some reason) EDIT (4/7/24): Corrected Seam’s pronouns from no pronouns to they/them and re-added Monster Kid. Missingno_Miner gave me those corrections and also gave some minor characters who could be added to this list so please look at their comment below for that!

@AngelStarjam

4 ай бұрын

​@FrozenFennekin i reallly thought napstablook was a dude but i guess i was wrong 0_0

Darkstalker commited genocide, and him thinking genocide was good doesn't make it any less genocide.

@itsme7336

4 ай бұрын

Finally someone said it

@humanperson2480

4 ай бұрын

God that brings back some memories. The whole debate over if Darkstalker *really* counts as a villain is one of the main reasons I left that fandom

@Some_Siren

4 ай бұрын

Yes, glad to see someone else thinks that

@Lemural

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. I liked his character because he wasn’t a good person. I hate when the fandom tries to justify his actions or treats him like a cinnamon roll. No, he was an incredibly cunning and manipulative person who used magic to make his love interest more agreeable and instill false trust in her, used magic to brainwash several races, poisoned a whole race of people because of a few of their ancestor’s actions thousands of years ago, started a war because of his own racist ideals, manipulated a child who didn’t know any better, and brutally murdered his own father (who was also not a good person, but that doesn’t mean he deserved to die) on a public stage.

@Krispykreme15

4 ай бұрын

EXACTLY people don’t understand what a complex flawed character is, I remember all the defenders 😭😭😭

9:20 speculative fiction? What? It's an anti fascist coming of age story, about rebels fighting back against literal nazi stand ins, Eastern spiritualism taken inspiration from for The Force and The Jedi. My brother in christ, 70% of Avatar's core plot is ripped straight from _both Lucas trilogies._ I am _not_ a Star Wars fan, but jesus christ, how have people failed to comprehend Star Wars so badly that they think judging it as SCI FI even makes sense???

@mattybrunolucaszeneresalas9072

21 күн бұрын

Sure Jan

The PJO TV show fandom. For a while people have been saying that the actor who plays Grover, Aryan Simihadri, has been dating fellow actor Ellie Kim. But Aryan commented on a video a few days ago saying that he and Ellie had never dated. The only evidence the fans had was Aryan having his arm around Ellie in certain photos. Now people are like “Well then Aryan must be dating McKenna Grace right I mean they are always together” WHY CANT THESE PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT GUYS AND GIRLS CAN BE IN PLATONIC RELATIONSHIPS WITH EACH OTHER. Like it annoys the hell out of me how much these people ship cast members with other cast members and child stars with other child stars. These are human beings with feelings and most importantly, they are CHILDREN. I’m around the same age as these actors and if I saw people shipping me with other child stars and speculate on my personal life I would freaking spiral. Like let these kids grow up in peace.

@ishapratap5224

4 ай бұрын

YES, THANK YOU. Also the shopping between Walker and Leah should really stop istg-