*"I don't consider myself delusional"* How many delusional people do?

@rockysandman5489

4 жыл бұрын

@Brian Lile What do you know you're delusional about?

@akapp

3 жыл бұрын

@wunnell How many delusional people do? "I don't consider myself delusional" I ask , how many people think they know better ? i know that i do yet i'm aware of the ego who could be the one "reason" , don't be slave of the thought . Mushin (無心 "no mind")

@wunnell

3 жыл бұрын

@@akapp, thank you so much for that extremely coherent response.

@SamuelAko

3 жыл бұрын

Last I checked, it was just me and this other guy called Josh.

@akapp

3 жыл бұрын

@Stuart H What is it that you worry about exactly ?

“What’s wrong with prayer if it works?” It didn’t work for the victims who died during faith healing.

@arthurhunt642

4 жыл бұрын

@orca winfreys big black fish hole Someone push your God Is Love button?

@richiet3490

4 жыл бұрын

@orca winfreys big black fish hole it amazes me someone who can write that many words still believes in magic

@savantus1

4 жыл бұрын

@orca winfreys big black fish hole Read what you posted and maybe you will understand why believing false things is dangerous. Ask yourself why you are so scared of people questioning your beliefs.

@retrogamereaper

4 жыл бұрын

@orca winfreys big black fish hole Dude... Calm down. Seriously.

@noel090909

4 жыл бұрын

orca winfreys big black fish hole Ya know what KZread channel you might like? God is Grey. I think some religious content might be better for you, and Brenda from GiG is great for that (assuming you’re Christian). You seem to not enjoy this show or atheists, and we can all use more things we like right now. Unless you’re a troll. In which case, continue to type-yell into the void.

As soon as they utter the word “evolutionist” that should end the call.

@louistournas120

4 жыл бұрын

That wouldn't be interesting. It is better to have a conversation and to understand the other person. I like hearing evolution being described to a creationist and the creationist responds "I accept that but that is not evolution, that is adaptation." Then, you can ask the creationist what is biological evolution and they can give their personal definition. Then, you can ask what macroevolution is and what microevolution is. Then you can ask them if changes to DNA are possible. etc.

@calebhughes4226

3 жыл бұрын

louis tournas o j oj oj oj joooojjj j jj. Jj ojm NV. Mmm. Lllnnl hpopo

@calebhughes4226

3 жыл бұрын

louis tournas poppppp

@louistournas120

3 жыл бұрын

@@calebhughes4226 "o j oj oj oj joooojjj j jj. Jj ojm NV. Mmm. Lllnnl hpopo" ==I understand.

Another fine example of explaining reality to theists and getting less results than arguing with a brick wall.

@TheSnoeedog

2 жыл бұрын

the brick wall is far more effective at hitting back and leaving marks, whenever we get into a tussle

"I dunno, Mark, what's wrong with consulting a Magic Eight Ball if it works."

Also Jeebus.. “I was thinking of coming back, but when I saw how much my followers hated brown skinned, non-english speaking, middle eastern immigrants, I thought they might crucify me again. So I changed my mind”

@robertallan6373

4 жыл бұрын

I am no longer a Christian or believe in god, but i have to say that when i was going to church i didn't know anyone who hated brown skin non-English speaking people, but I do realize what you were getting at.

@NeverTalkToCops1

4 жыл бұрын

You're on fire, but not the mythical hell fire.

@mischarowe

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertallan6373 OP is talking about the image of jesus has been whitewashed.

@robertallan6373

4 жыл бұрын

@@mischarowe What image ?.

@alanderson9711

4 жыл бұрын

Secular Argument -tshirt material. Great stuff, thanks for the laugh. Be Really funny for atheists And christians if it were true and had just happened... “...and I won’t be back to this planet again!”

“What’s wrong with prayer if it works?” Demonstrate that it works. Any evidence at all?...Thought not.

@Kairi091

4 жыл бұрын

I think they look at it like this. Please keep in mind, I'm saying what THEY believe, not what I believe: "I was stressed out, struggling and having a lousy day. I stopped and prayed and asked God to help me. After I a took a moment to give it up to God, I felt better and my day improved." So, in that story, prayer seems to have worked.

@NA-vz9ko

4 жыл бұрын

It’s not whether it “works” or not. Does it make accurate predictions at a rate higher than chance?

@samf7192

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kairi091 Prayer involves talking with/to a deity, which means prayer doesn't work. Or are all believers so selfish that they have never prayed for world peace, sickness, starvation, war. How many prayers have not been answered for people who have been rape or murdered, enslaved or died in a plane wreck. You know, big stuff, instead of 'my poor stress level', 'I must have a good day', 'I'm so glad my day is better'. God lets children starve by the millions and you find solace in having a better day? Pathetic

@Kairi091

4 жыл бұрын

@@samf7192 I'm not saying they successfully talk to a god. I'm saying they ask God to help them feel better and then they feel better. That's what I mean. So, to that guy, it seems to have worked.

@kaiza6467

4 жыл бұрын

Kairi091 although it does become harmful when you substitute actual medical procedures/treatments for prayer. Because there are countless people who died as a result of relying on prayer over listening to the doctors.

Thanks for your question of what's wrong with prayer. 1. Prayers have been tested by the Templeton Association. It was found the people in hospitals being prayed for had a slightly less chance of surving. Psychologists report that its likely the ones who knew they were being prayed for gave up and believed it must be in their God's hands only. It can be strongly argued that if you want to give people a fighting chance of staying alive in hospitals *don't* make it harder for them by praying. 2. When prayer is used as an action instead of understanding its merely words, then prayer can and will be the wrong course of 'action' instead of actually doing something, like calling for actual help like an ambulance to come. It is well known that many theist parents will pray their sick child gets better, and offer zero medical help instead. It could be classed as one of the highest reasons for chil deaths at home. 3. Prayer has the same rate of chance as working as ill-informed guesses. They are not even informed guesses, as usually the one praying has no idea how to help the situation themselves. A better method than prayer would be an informed guess. What do we do in this situation? We apply bandage, medication, support, or at least call for support who don't need to guess at all. 4. Prayer is used at mass gatherings including political speaches usually regarding catastrophic events. It is also recommended by all churches as the 'first step' in seeking real help. Often we hear that certain pandemics or wars or natural disasters etc. Must have prayer or 'in my prayers' as the goto area. This seems to consistently be a waste of time. Where pandemics or wars, shootings etc. continue anyhow. It would be best to provide support instead, which may include demonstrations in public (marches etc) to get governments to actually DO something! 5. We don't have any sufficient evidence or even a good reason to believe any claimed God is even hearing prayers! To say this more clearly: Believing in a listening (and thus actioning) God is hearing prayers is being unreasonable and without substance. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. But now I'll watch the vid if I missed something ;)

She has the patience of a saint......

@roder51

4 жыл бұрын

All the hosts on this show have the patience of a Saint.

@Firedrake1313

4 жыл бұрын

I'd be maybe 10 minutes before nearly everything I said began with "How can you be this ignorant?"

@akapp

4 жыл бұрын

If that's true then God is indeed true .

@Augfordpdoggie

3 жыл бұрын

and a rack of a stripper

@justincredible.

3 жыл бұрын

saints don't exist ;-)

If I went to a medical professional and they even mentioned prayer to me as a "treatment" I would designate them as a quack and tell them to get out of my face. Whew....

@arthurhunt642

4 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY RIGHT

@amd77j

4 жыл бұрын

Robert Kelly Joe Louis, yes. Willie Mays? No.😀

@davidmonteith-hodge901

4 жыл бұрын

@Robert Kelly Joe Louis does, at least, have the advantage of unquestionably having existed.

@duhamelmuscadin9292

4 жыл бұрын

Those christians are quick to get to a hospital when they are sick. Prayers just make people feel good nothing else.

@krisaaron5771

Жыл бұрын

AND report them to the state medical board!

14:13 NO, WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM CHIMPS. That has been reasonably well established. We descended from a common ancestor. This is why very early hominids were primate-like but actual primates and hominids have taken different paths.

“Are you there dad? It’s me, you” -Jeebus

@brucebaker810

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, operator? Id like to make a person to person long distance call to myself? Call destination? Heaven.

@NeverTalkToCops1

4 жыл бұрын

Excellent. Most clever. Mockery helps decrease theism.

@tophatxcc

4 жыл бұрын

NeverTalkToCops1 It should

@mischarowe

4 жыл бұрын

@@NeverTalkToCops1 And sarcasm unmasks it.

@keithdunham8139

4 жыл бұрын

And IF it even happened , 36 hours being dead doesn't constitute a sacrifice , full complete death does

John: _"Prayer works because I don't ask for anything that can disprove it."_ -- So, it's unfalsifiable, which makes it delusional.

I had a headache. I prayed and it went away..... After I took a paracetamol. Praise the lord!

@kimsland999

4 жыл бұрын

Along the same lines of people who have had operations in hospital. Agreed they disproportionally thanking the wrong (claimed) thing.

@TallSilentGuy

4 жыл бұрын

Even with no paracetamol headaches tend to go away soon enough so...um... Checkmate, atheists!

@danielcox1426

4 жыл бұрын

Take your meds!

@danielcox1426

4 жыл бұрын

@@kimsland999 Only the most severely mental damaged patient would thank "atheism" for anything. At the very least, self-delegated "atheists" attacking religion and spirituality are working to reduce human fitness.

@peteralleyman1945

4 жыл бұрын

@@danielcox1426 Why would anybody thank atheism for anything? It's just a disbelief in the existemce of a diety. Well maybe a former christian, being relieved from the bullshit, should thank a fellow atheist for helping him in the process. But certainly nobody should thank god for anything. He doesn't exist or, if he accidentally does exist, he's responsible for all the shit happening. The shit where we should try to help relieve our fellow humans from. "Thank god, the chemo cured my cancer": my ass.

Prayers have never been proven to work.

@aierce

4 жыл бұрын

Worse, it has been proven to not work.

@duncanbryson1167

4 жыл бұрын

Prayer. Like compulsive gambling, you never talk about your losses.

@lemostjoyousrenegade

3 жыл бұрын

@@aierce Right?! So many times too!

Intelligent design! Teeth! We are so well designed that we have teeth that can, and do, rot and fall out in excruciating pain and then don't grow back. Shark's teeth, however, do grow back. If we are more important to the "designer" than a bunch of lousy killer fish, how come they can regrow teeth while we get stuck with the options of gumming our food, implants, or dentures (the latter two options being quite expensive)? Damnit!?

@AC-gb7do

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget there are animals and birds that can see and smell better than us as well, or a lizard can regrow it’s tail, yet we can’t regrow even a finger. Intelligent design, not so intelligent after all.

@peteralleyman1945

4 жыл бұрын

@FiniteAutomaton We are intelligently designed in his image. Taking into account his age, you should be glad not to have been born with Alzheimer.

Haha Russell killed me " let's pray towards mecca" lmfao

I'm willing to bet that a lot of people who have lost a limb have prayed so hard,,,,,, I never heard of a person who grew that limb back

@AC-gb7do

4 жыл бұрын

I’m still waiting for an Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s patient to be healed as well.

@kimsland999

4 жыл бұрын

Starfish. Clearly their God loves starfish more than humans.

@theodorevibritannia7988

4 жыл бұрын

@@kimsland999 Fancy meeting you here, Kim. In any case, I think if there is a God, he clearly favors the Tardigrades since they are the most resilient animal on this earth -> We are not made in the image of God as we are imperfect -> Abrahamic religions are all wrong. Take that Christians!

@kimsland999

4 жыл бұрын

@@theodorevibritannia7988 Theo, of all the animals evolved to humans. Small world. Your belief again? Saves me looking up old messages. I'm sire it'll bring a smile to my face and any other reasoning person.

@imvandenh

4 жыл бұрын

I'm an amputee, just fingertips on my left hand but those were kind of important as playing guitar and other stringed instruments were my passion before my accident at work. I never considered praying for them to grow back because that would just be silly. If I actually believed that a god existed I think I would just be angry and disillusioned with the God for not protecting me in the first place and for bringing dead people back to life in the story book but not giving me my fingertips back. With prosthetics I can still play but nowhere near the level I used to. And no gods were required for prosthetics to be made, just a lot of money spent out of my settlement

There would be nothing wrong with prayer if it worked but it doesn't.

The argument from ‘intelligent design’ is just a huge argument from personal incredulity.

If prayer worked for him, why didn’t he ask for curing cancer, remove world hunger, attrocities etc ? Or did he only ask god for “spiritual things” bs ?

"I don't consider myself delusional..." oh, dude...

"You're not praying hard enough."

@MacTechG4

4 жыл бұрын

Ahh, the classic Jobsian “iPhone 4” defense... “You’re not holding it right”

@mynorgonzalez1051

4 жыл бұрын

Yep keep prayer for de rest of your life And you don't going to get anything. Because that God do not exist.

@jimwade2045

3 жыл бұрын

How do you pray harder

I had a stretch where I was having pretty regular panic attacks. I was going through some personal stuff and my job was terrible (temp job working for NYS Tax and Finance... not a good job for an English major, and they were doing major remodelling, expecting us to work with a giant wet drill the size of a jackhammer running 10 feet away from us.) When I went to the nurses office she noticed I'd listed atheist under religion. She decided to try to prosthelytize to me every time I went down there. It made my panic attacks much worse. If I had been in a better headspace when it was going on I would have filed a grievance. Totally inappropriate for a medical professional and for a government job.

"I don't consider myself delusional" A few minutes later: "That's not evolution, that's microevolution and intelligent design is scientific"

If prayer worked COVID 19 would be cured already

@jimwade2045

3 жыл бұрын

Some one prayed for it .

@c.guydubois8270

3 жыл бұрын

Rev. Copeland blew cursed covid-19 away. Bad prophet, lieing spirit get out of him, bad prophet no cookie for you!

John - Chicago, IL -your having an open mind is an subjective, selfish need. So, if prayer works why hasn't anyone prayed for world peace or to end childhood starvation or to end disease?

@margaretbarrett6087

4 жыл бұрын

sam felty I think those are a bit out of god’s league - but he cured my mother’s headache, half an hour after she took a painkiller!

The real problem with religion is that it simply doesn't quit. Ever. It's the child that just discovered 'Why?'.

@adamchoquette1937

4 жыл бұрын

I get the emotion of frustration you are trying to get across, but Religion as a whole never uses the "Why" question. And if it does the answer is faith, or cuz God.

@qwadratix

4 жыл бұрын

@@adamchoquette1937 It's called an analogy. Not to be taken literally. Religion continues to offer the same false narrative over and over, no matter how many times it's fallacy is exposed. It continues without a break or hesitation as if nothing had happened. In the same way, a child will ask 'why?' of each answer given.

@davidmonteith-hodge901

4 жыл бұрын

Religion doesn't quit because clergy have to eat and they would rather not work.

@qwadratix

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidmonteith-hodge901 Well said.

@justincredible.

3 жыл бұрын

If only, a child that keeps on asking why will never be indoctrinated into religion.

Typical theist arguments: Special pleading, special pleading, special pleading.

First you have to demonstrate prayer works. Didn't think so.

There are three placebo affects that people are looking for when they pray . The three types of prayer are as follows; praises, affirmations, and anxiety reliefs.

What is wrong with prayer if it works? Nothing. What is wrong with stabbing yourself in the eye with a tin opener if it works? Nothing. What is wrong with a blatantly loaded question? EVERYTHING!

When I was serving in the Army, (1970-1977), we had a Battalion Commander, (Brigadier General), who announced that if he did not see us in church, we could forget about ever getting approved for promotion! Welcome to the United States of Jesus!

John made my head hurt.

2:04 "I don't consider myself delusional in the least bit, . . . " I've never met anyone who considered them self delusional. This includes people who have been diagnosed by psychiatrists as schizophrenic and delusional.

"My way is better than yours..." argument yet again lol

What a headline!! :-) Seems to resume everything about religion.

Behe lost his face at the Kitzmiller vs Dover trial when the judge was amused because after he said he had no explanations for the complexity of some bacteria flagellum (a favorite of intelligent design) the lawyer for Kitzmiller deposited a foot tall stack of books and articles that explained exactly all the steps of how it had originated and evolved into the current structure. The republican inclined judge found the Dover school district at fault for introducing Creationism disguised under the Intelligent Design rebranding. Some of the Dover schools district administrators were actually convinced of lying under oath for their part in the acquisition of ID related books

Christian Persecution Paranoia - is a problem

@hegyak

4 жыл бұрын

That's what their Cult Teaches them. Getting Persecution = God Points. Do it often and frequently.

@KrustyKlown

4 жыл бұрын

@@hegyak Self Flatulents

Why don’t you believe god exist? “ Because I have not seen sufficient evidence for the existence of one or any number of gods.” But what about faith in the Bible. “ Can you demonstrate anything the Bible says is true or accurate to the point that it proves the existence of god?” Are you saying I’m delusional? “ No I’m asking about the accuracy-“ IS YOUR MOM ACCURATE? “ what?” Ladies and gentlemen we got em.

@akapp

4 жыл бұрын

“ Because I have not seen sufficient evidence for the existence or one or any number of gods.” Take a look in the mirror !!!

@mozuesolympian2988

4 жыл бұрын

Ascension could elaborate your point please.

@akapp

4 жыл бұрын

@@mozuesolympian2988 Tell me how can your existence not be the proof of the impossible .

@mozuesolympian2988

4 жыл бұрын

Ascension I’m sorry I’m not sure what your trying to ask could you please clarify one more time.

@akapp

4 жыл бұрын

@@mozuesolympian2988 You quoted "Because I have not seen sufficient evidence for the existence or one or any number of gods." How so, if you and me exist ? don't you think life is the proof of the impossibility .

But it's so obvious that prayer totally works! Millions of Christians over the last 2,000 or so years have diligently and sincerely prayed for peace, and as a result, today we live in harmony with the whole rest of the world, right? Hasn't been a war in generations, right? So, right there is your proof of the awesome power of prayer, right? Right? 🙄😁

As long as your prayer isn't used to forego ACTUAL remedies, be my guest. But using ONLY prayer for your problems, then there's a problem, it's hurting you.

@jlsc4125

4 жыл бұрын

@orca winfreys big black fish hole You need to switch to decaf.

@jlsc4125

4 жыл бұрын

@orca winfreys big black fish hole Ok, then change dealers, cause you're getting some really bad shit from them.

@jlsc4125

4 жыл бұрын

@Robert Kelly yes.

@AC-gb7do

4 жыл бұрын

Rants like Orca’s just show their ignorance and lack of evidence.

@carlisroy6666

4 жыл бұрын

@orca winfreys big black fish hole Can you translate your diatribe into a nuanced point please? By the way, using caps lock just means you're wrong louder.

John is like my drug addled friend who thinks because it on the internet it is verbatim true.

@imvandenh

4 жыл бұрын

I know a few people like that myself. I spend as little time interacting with them as humanly possible because they are annoying beyond words and simply cannot be reasoned with

@seanh4841

4 жыл бұрын

@@imvandenh it's exasperating

Prayer works with the same reliability as random chance but if you count the successes and ignore the failures you will perceive it as working

They almost had him but the credits appeared. Saved by the bell.

Just before my hip replacement the surgeon came in and asked if he could pray with me. I was horrified. I also didn’t want to piss off the man who was about to operate on me. I faked it and didn’t complain. I still feel like a chump for not saying something. It was good that they knocked me out right after that so I didn’t have time to think about it much because even though he did an excellent job I have lost confidence in him a little.

@julieugo4407

3 жыл бұрын

Don't feel like a chump......probably would have upset him and you wouldn't have had a good surgery.. I think I would have done the same in that situation But I would be Telling him now that it is way out of line and unprofessional what he did..... hope you're healing well Cheers Julie

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Prayer is the ultimate sugar pill. Nothing more than a placebo.

John, begin with PROVING your mumbo jumbo really works ! .............

@NeverTalkToCops1

4 жыл бұрын

Mümbö Jümbö. Don't cheat on the umlats, Ralf.

Your creator is your mother and father.

@akapp

4 жыл бұрын

Find the source of their existence and come back here .

@MegaeffinGarchomp17

4 жыл бұрын

@@akapp their mother and father

@akapp

4 жыл бұрын

​@@MegaeffinGarchomp17 Where are the evidences ? How can an humble man be certain of it all , We/Humans we don't know everything which mean we are certain of the uncertainty .

@akapp

4 жыл бұрын

@@MegaeffinGarchomp17 You know that the further you climb into the tree of life the closer you'll get to the principal of "Adam and Eve" "Men and Women" "Male and Female" "Masculinity and Femininity" You can do the same math with your resonning , the further you rewind in time the least people that remain until there is only two .

@BCCmma64bang

4 жыл бұрын

@@akapp because we don't know something God is not the answer. That's an argument from ignorance.

As a realtor if a client asks me a legal question I am required by law to say you need to consult an attorney on that. If I give legal advice I could lose my license. I am not a licensed to practice law.

Most of us have been brainwashed since we were kids now that we are grow we don’t even bother to question whether what we believe is true or not because it’s comforting.

Is this the basis for the SNL skit about having a discussion with the drunk girl? This guy was painful!

I prayed for my prayer to not be answered, and sure enough, it wasn't! Checkmate Atheists!

Why do I enjoy the most ignorant callers the most?

Sorry, I don't usually skip the ads to support you, but I got super christian ads talking about sinner's prayer and I had to skip it consequently lol

Studies have shown telling people “I’ll pray for you.” in hospitals actually make them feel worst.

@averagebear5889

3 жыл бұрын

Right. Is the doctor out of ideas?

Here's the problem with prayer besides the fact that it CANNOT be proven, or tested. When you say, as you did, that prayer works for you. What that also suggests is that you're special somehow and God answers your prayers but not anyone else's. What about the prayers of children who die everyday because they don't have clean water to drink, or food to eat? Are you suggesting that God has singled you out because you're somehow special? This is clearly textbook narcissism. You. You. You. You're somehow special to this God.

I'd be flattered if my doctor sacrificed something in my honor before a surgery.

prayer, when you are asking for something for yourself , is like a placebo. it doesnt really do anything , but you feel better . when you pray to get help for another person , especially when that person doesnt know you are praying for them . never works .

Why didn't he make a prayer to get rid of his cough?

Ask the caller if the earth is flat because a flat earther wrote a paper reviewed by other flat earthers.

Faith Healers are not employed by hospitals for the same reason that Psychics don't win the lottery weekly.

So Micro Evolution works but somehow Macro is impossible. As it's been said before, this is like saying you can walk an inch but not a mile, or something like that.

Prayer, the original placebo

Eleven and a half minutes to finally get to the real reason for the call: "Why are you an atheist?"

No prayer has ever been answered by a god. Ask any amputee.

He say i don't think prayer is asking god to intervene Than what is prayer

Having to talk to these people...

Ah the good ol' "I have an open mind on things I want to be true so I am open to any kind of vapid evidence"

whats wrong with wearing a tinfoil hat if it stops *THEM* from reading my mind?

Prayer vs God's Divine Perfect Plan. God's Plan would have to include you praying for something different from his Plan.

@NyxSilver8

4 жыл бұрын

*A Perfect Creator Cannot Exist* 1. If God exists, then He is not the perfect creator of the universe. 2. If a being is perfect, the universe He creates must be perfect. 3. But the universe is imperfect. 4. Hence, it is impossible for God to exist. It is not necessary that the universe conform to human ideas of perfection, only that it conform perfectly to God's creative intent. Conscious acts in time are generally means to ends. Without fully knowing the ends, and the feasible means, we can't judge the efficacy of chosen means. As we have no independent knowledge of God's intent, or of the constraints consistency places on creating a universe, we can't judge how perfectly the universe mirrors God's intent. God, Science & Mind: The Irrationality of Naturalism by Dennis F. Polis, Ph.D.

There are skies of blue, clouds of white. A bright blessed day as dark as night.

An interesting conversation about prayer and it's place in medical practice and ethics up to about 11:30. And then, almost out of nowhere, there's this jarring moment when the caller suddenly asks "why are you an atheist?... why not an agnostic?" ..... ughh * very heavy sigh *. Good conversation ruined.

The caller really got butthurt they didn't want to believe with him haha

If god is omniscient, so knows what we want before we pray for it, isn’t prayer an insult to his omniscience?

If there is no proof that prayer works...It doesn't work. Am I good enough? Is it God's will? If my prayers are not answered am I asking for the wrong thing and then God gives me a better answer? WTF

It DOESN’T work, period.

Is prayer based on what you want, what you need ,thanking ,cursing ,threatening not to praise .lf god is omnipotent wouldn't he know your prayers already, then what's the point of prayer.

"Works" isn't just a word you can throw aimlessly, it has meaning and it describes something. If something "works" then by nature, it has a sequence or a pattern, a set of different variables in a specific environment that interact in a specific way to give you a result, and that if reproduced exactly the same way, meaning of you have all of the different variables, the specific environment and the specific method in which they interact then the outcome should be replicated. This is more or less called the scientific method. Even if we don't know or understand this "pattern" or method of how it works, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just means we don't know it yet. You can't do any of this with prayer. Well, you can't replicate this "working result" that this caller claims. And their answer to that is always about the "real faith" of the person praying and whether it's in "God's plan" or not. So to get a desired outcome, prayer does nothing, it's as effective as tossing a few pennies into a fountain. That being said, the act of "prayer" in itself is not worthless. It does "work", in a sense, psychologically and it's similar to meditation. So it will help you feel better about coping with something or stressing out about something going on. In that case, call it what it is; meditation. Until you can prove (and it really shouldn't be all that difficult to prove) that there is cause and effect between praying and results, then it's worthless for getting measurable results, or results of any kind other than you "feeling" that it works.

This is the same caller who made the assertion there were “many, many” extra-biblical historical mentions of Jesus, and that most mainstream historians accept that Jesus was a real historical person. This guy is just a bundle of unfounded assertions and shifting goal posts.

The caller hasn't a clue.

Pray all you want surgeon just don't kill me

Even the great Christopher Hitchens said he tried prayer

@barkYdarkATFB

3 жыл бұрын

He prayed once, for an erection. 😉

What is wrong with flipping a coin for a desired result ?cuz it works! at least as often as prayer, but with no cloying Dependency on a Kosmic Dad....

Psychiatric rectal diddling? The holeistic approach to mental health.

@NyxSilver8

4 жыл бұрын

No one's having a bigger party than self-delegated "atheists." The anus is the goto pleasure zone for the misanthropic interloper.

I suppose the same can be said for using a magic 8-ball or rolling a set of dice, or other random acts that have nothing to do with the actual outcome of something completely unrelated to the action.

Does it tho?

I bet John is a flat-earther .................

@julieugo4407

4 жыл бұрын

Oh geeze, i was just thinking that And came across your post.......!, I wonder how many flat earthers are theist.....better go ask Dr. Google ...cheers 🍻🇦🇺

If prayer worked there would be no COVID-19, no cancer, no AIDS, no wars, no serial killers, etc...

I wonder where this caller went to college and where he keeps his various intellectual awards.

Most religons that have pray say god answered your pray and when a pray doesn't come true they say god works in misterous ways so if u disregard the times prayer doesn't work than ya prayer works

Prayer does anything?

@tombie8763

3 жыл бұрын

It makes you talk to yourself.

How do you know its the prayer that worked?

John, repetition of "I agree with that, BUT...... In other words "I don't agree and.....

Hay, yous guys are doing a great job for Jahovah Keep up the good work

Religion has dogmas, rituals, etc. Atheism does not. To make it easier to understand: all christians are atheist to all gods EXCEPT one. Atheists just add that extra false god to the list. And yes, I'm an Evolved Ape... not a faulty angel.

“If there is a God, He will have to beg for my forgiveness.” This is a quote etched on the wall of a concentration camp as noted by Andrew Eames, the author of Blue River, Black Sea. The sheer magnitude of this quote sent a shiver down my spine as I read it. In my 16 years of life, I had never encountered such torment or despair to even think of cursing God.

I recommend watching at x1.75 speed

*If prayer works for him, why wouldn't he pray for gods appearance on this show ?* That would maybe make me a believer ( probably not )

If I go to see Doctor John Doe, I'm going to see the doctor- not John Doe.