Thank you for putting this video up and expressing your viewpoint. I believe it is a mentality of needing to catch as many fish as possible to prove one's worth to a group of people. No method is off the table when you are going for sheer numbers, whether it is ethical or not people become insane with envy and instability.ive heard on more than one occasion that "I want to get the money out of my fishing license" too much monetary and social conflict has been interjected into fishing, our society and social media has driven an expectation of always catching to conflate a persons ego and boost dopamine to get the "fix" of being sufficient. I believe it was stated in the earlier comment that this is not sustenance fishing, we are recreational anglers. There are many other ways to get food that dont involve committing a crime. In places where flossing is legal, it is okay to use that method, but fish and wildlife commissions and constituents in the areas where it is not legal have found on a majority that they do not believe in the method, and therefore in those states/provinces it is illegal. It would be better to read the regulations and understand those regulations, my local regulations come in six different languages, there is no reason for anyone to not understand the rules.

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

Those are all great points. The end result is a dead fish, no matter the method used, but I'm always striving to do better, leave less gear in the river and foul hook fewer fish in the process. You're right about people seeking validation on social media. It's actually been several years since I posted a fish picture on Face Book and when I post fish on KZread it's mostly with some sort of educational angle. My relationship with social media is quite complicated. My aim is improve the state of our fisheries, but it's difficult to do it in a way that doesn't come off as some Karen telling people what to do. I'm actually quite conservative, but many people take me for liberal because i advocate for conservation and clean rivers.

@pnwvintageoutdoors

9 ай бұрын

@@petrhermanadventures9509 everything in your video was well made and very educational and I think if people would just stop trying to politicize everything, we could all be in a better place. Never stop doing what you're doing and being true to what you believe in!

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

@@pnwvintageoutdoors Thank you for the reply. Very kind.

I love your videos and really appreciate you sharing all that you know! My 7-year-old daughter was watching this video with me the other day, and now she keeps telling me not to watch Peter's videos. I asked her why, and she said it's because you said something inappropriate "what the heck with flossing" 😂😂. Now I am making sure i watch ot alone😅. Happy holidays 🎉💐

@petrhermanadventures9509

7 ай бұрын

That's funny, because I take care not to swear in my videos, which I normally do quite a bit. Thanks for the comment.

Hi Peter. Where did you get that net you have? Brand? Thank you for the great videos 👍

@petrhermanadventures9509

8 ай бұрын

I found it on the bottom of the river a couple of years ago, There is no brand name on it, but looks like a Lucky Strike maybe. Canadian tire has a good selection.

@bobski729

8 ай бұрын

That's awesome 😉👌 Thanks for the reply!

Plenty of people that run their floats too deep unintentionally floss fish all the time. Also bottom bouncing is legit and should not be tied so tightly to flossing.

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

Fishing is nuanced. Bottom bouncing so that your leader precedes the weight straight downstream is different than bottom bouncing an arc and stretching the leader sideways across the river.

@UnitedViral

9 ай бұрын

@@petrhermanadventures9509 100% and I love how your educating people . Man I tell you what, get caught on some of these rivers bottom bouncing even correctly and some of these float guys get wild. The same guys often drag the bottom while float fishing. Shoot dragging bottom all the way down the center of the run is probably more effective then flossing. Wait till the flossers find out. Snaggers will be snaggers.

Total n00b here, and really appreciating your videos. Now that I understand the problem with flossing, I would love to see a video on how NOT to floss! ;-)

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

Pretty much if your float is straight up and down, you're not flossing. I'd love to do a lot more videos for you all, but it's difficult to find a quiet spot to film. You might notice I had to wait till the end of the day to get this run to myself. It feels super strange to film a monologue with other people around.

@schmidtdisturbr

9 ай бұрын

@@petrhermanadventures9509 thanks a bunch! Yeah, I hear you about making videos, thanks for persevering and putting out what you can, it's really great content and your passion for it really comes through.

We can agree to disagree….legal or not flossing is a way of snagging fish and has nothing to do with fishing

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

Yes, many people share your opinion. I may come to the same conclusion with time. But the way I see it now, flossing is harvesting, not sport fishing, but flossing is not the same as snagging.

I enjoy the challenge of getting fish to bite. To the extent which they bite varies from river to river. I worked at a hatchery on the Central Coast for 10 years where we caught all the broodstock by angling. The water was big and glacial and it was insane how gamey the fish were, mostly we bounced roe. There were so few fish you couldn't floss or snag a fish to save your life, they were all biting fish. If they weren't biting you weren't catching. It was a lot of fun.

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

sounds like fun, probably more bears than people too. One of these years you'll have to show me how you do it in Sooke. I've always liked that part of the world.

@allancrow134

9 ай бұрын

Yes, lots of bears, both kinds.:) The fishing was really good this season in Sooke, the Coho fishing in the Strait is gangbusters right now, lots of fish coming through. For sure love to have you over.@@petrhermanadventures9509

What float rod you using by the way? Thanks

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

Luhr Jensen Legacy. It's by far my favorite rod, but they are not very durable. I seem to break them after a year or two. The way I look at it is a rod that's landed a couple of hundred salmon and survived a steelhead season, does not owe me much. This is the third one I've bought.

@mbgfishing341

9 ай бұрын

@@petrhermanadventures9509 I'll look at it and check it out. Thank you

There are two important points you perhaps would want to mention: 1. Flossing leads to fish being tight lipped, ripping lines and spooking them all the time will not get any bites, it will only lead to more snagged fish 2. You lose more fish when you floss them, I have seen many people getting frustrated standing all day and losing leaders, floats and fish, if one gets the fish to bite on a short leader, the chances of landing that fish is higher, I limit out within 2 hours when chinooks were plenty in the river with a short leader and short float

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

Those are good points. The reason the flossers lose a lot of fish after about 20 seconds is that that's about the amount of time it takes for the hook to rip out of the skin. I made 4 takes of this video, and some of those takes included these points, but in the end I couldn't fit it all in. People have a short attention span on KZread.

Hello bro i am new on your channel i watched some of your videos its really amazing specifically with bees can you please make video how to get honey naturally from comb and they don't stung you i mean all process to harvest and problem faced by rookie.

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. Unfortunately our bee keeping season is now over. I will be making more videos again when the bees wake up in the spring. In the fall it's all about salmon.

Flossing is snagging salmon, it just so happens to (mostly) be in the head near the mouth. This is supposed to be recreational angling, not subsistence fishing.

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

Many people share your opinion. Certainly none of us need these salmon to feed our families. If I went to work instead of fishing, I could buy way more salmon than I catch. It's one of the instances where multiculturalism fails in Canada. These salmon belong to all of us and we need to treat them with great respect if we want the privilidge of angling for them for the future, many people I see on the river don't get that.

i completely agree with you. sadly i highly doubt much will change. for one, flossing has an extremely high hook up rate if you know what you're doing, and its noob friendly, secondly, people who casually fish will naturally navigate towards the most successful legal technique to make best usage of their time. lastly, the fishing industry is a lucrative one, so dont expect the state or country to crack down with regulation. flossing sadly is a necessary evil, as long as people aren't intentionally setting the hook and snagging, im completely ok with it.

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

I agree with what you said. I just wanted to outline the problems with flossing for the people who don't understand the controversy.

I was fishing in the canal one morning and all of a sudden 4 guys started fishing in between me and within 10 minutes they had foul hooked 5 fish all broke off thankfully but it’s just ridiculous cause when I see guys flossing they never actually get them in the mouth.

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

I have seen the same quite often in the deep pools up river too. Some people think that it's ok to reel in 10 chinooks by the tail and release them as long as they get their one hooked in the mouth. They come back year after year and do the exact same thing.

@komahs7685

9 ай бұрын

@@petrhermanadventures9509 I hope dfo can understand and see that flossing is just as bad as snagging and maybe can adjust the regs

Evening!

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

good night :)

I think another reason so many people floss on the river is that many people come from all over the world to salmon fish and do not have the time to learn how to fish using beads and bait so they will floss because it is the simplest.

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

There is some truth to that, but only 1 to 2 % of the anglers on the Vedder are tourists.

You must be one hell of a fisherman if you can get your line the mouth of a fish. 😂

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

There are times when the salmon are so numerous in the river, it takes zero skill to do it. Just cast enough times and you're on.

Too many people still trying to snag let alone flossing

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

Yes, I mentioned that near the end, perhaps I should have mentioned that neat the beginning because most people don't sit through a whole 10 minute video.

One more thing you didn't talk about, flossing spooks the fish and make them less likely to bite, ruining the run for ethical anglers.

@jasondeslatte7611

9 ай бұрын

alot of guys overlook that fact too,nothing kills a good egg bite faster then a bunch of flossers coming into your hole and breaking a couple hooks off on fishes buttholes to kill their mood

@thomasszeman9663

9 ай бұрын

whenever I see people flossing in an area I just leave and look for a new one.

@jasondeslatte7611

9 ай бұрын

@@thomasszeman9663 true but sometimes thats not so easy considering here on the great lakes the flossers outnumber the legit fisherman 3 to 1 and infest every hole just about

@thomasszeman9663

9 ай бұрын

true, especially on weekends when the "weekend warrior flossers" are out. That is why I only like to fish on weekdays as I've noticed the quality of fishermen is usually way higher.@@jasondeslatte7611

Far too much flossing goes on the Vedder. It's usually specific groups and yes they keep the fish if nobody is there to call them on it or lately they drive the fish down the river where nobody is watching and pull them out with a net pretending it's all legit.

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

Yes, that's an old trick. Somehow they think that nobody knows what's going on. I'm not shy about calling that sort of B.S. out, but I would not recommend it to others because it can compromise personal safety.

Flossing helps with cavities 😁

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

Now you tell me! I guess I need to go back to doing it.

So if you’re casting spoons or spinners with single hooks is that now considered flossing?

@joshreed7703

9 ай бұрын

Yes if you cast lures it is essentially flossing because your leader is so long

@jackofallfishing

9 ай бұрын

No because the lure and hook will be on the inside of the mouth because the salmon has actually reacted and bite the lure. If it is being flossed the lure and hook will be on the outside.

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

It's probably possible to floss a fish while retrieving a spinner, but unlikely. The line is too far off the bottom for that. Having a coho follow a lure from the deep water right to your feet and smash it is quite a thrill.

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

@@nobodysdisciple2274 There is some truth and simplicity to simply minding your own business, but on the other hand these fish belong to all of us equally and those authorities you speak of are almost entirely absent from this river.

Whatever people think about flossing, it's inappropriate to harass people that are fishing legally. Those who are against should direct their efforts at the authorities to change regulations. Bullying anglers will not achieve the desired results

@petrhermanadventures9509

19 сағат бұрын

It's most accurate to look at flossing as a legal loophole that circumvents the intent of the regulation. I don't mind people flossing, despite the problems I outlined in this video, but I have a huge problem with people snagging and will call them out every time. These fish belong to all of us equally and we don't need to tolerate poachers and cheaters.

We are fishing and they are flossing!! They rape fishes!! Fishing is all about what your presentation to attract fishes to bite your bait or lure!! However, flossing sounds like to force the fishes to be hooked - fishes are NEVER willing to bite your presentation - you are raping the fishes!!!! I always LOOK DOWN on those who are flossing fishes! They are NOT fishing!!

Foul hooking gonna happen and sadly will continue to happen sad 😔

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

All fishing techniques can result in foul hooked fish, but the number goes down with experience and effort. From what I have seen flossing holding fish in a small tributary results in lots of foul hooks no matter the skill level,. Flossing a major river like the Fraser seldom results in foul hooked fish. I think the main difference is whether the fish are travelling or holding.

Flossing is synonymous with snagging. You aren't convincing the fish the to bite, ergo it's snagging. If you must resort to flossing, then you just suck at fishing for salmon. Plain and simple.

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

There are some states and provinces that have outlawed flossing as an angling method. It would be good if B.C. followed suit. Unfortunately you can write all the rules you want but without enforcement it changes nothing. the DFO has a hard time just policing blatant snagging with barbed hooks.

I agree with you that flossing is not morally wrong. I have flossed 17 coho so far this season and only one has been in the back. The fact that ripping my float spooks the fish is actually a bonus to me because it means the fish in the run won't bite the other peoples presentations anymore, allowing me to have the fish to myself

@lovethemack

9 ай бұрын

morality being the distinction between good and bad behavior. Forcing a hook into a salmons mouth, in the context of sports fishing, is not good behavior. Ripping gear and disturbing a run of fish, again pretty far from behavior looked on as acceptable. Its just fact, nothing to do with how you personalize the concept of morality, although your version fails to hold up here as i pointed out.

@joshreed7703

9 ай бұрын

@@lovethemack there is nothing wrong with forcing the hook into the side of fishes mouth. Science has proven they do not bite while in the river so the best method is to hook them close to the mouth and harvest them

@lovethemack

9 ай бұрын

I cant tell if you are serious. Salmon bite in the ocean and in the rivers even when they are almost dead you can get them to strike occasionally. Its never acceptable to force, snag or attempt to force or snag while sports fishing. that is not any kind of angling, it is deliberately bypassing sports fishing and simply snagging.

Flossing isn’t fishing it’s snagging

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

Many people share your opinion on that one. I think there is a clear distinction between setting the hook every time your line goes through the fish and just trying to floss one. Main difference is that one is illegal and the other is not. The end result is pretty similar and there is no point in arguing over subtle differences. Let's just say that it's harvesting as opposed to fishing.

I dont like the flossing and snagging, as other have said it spooks the fish when they are being foul hooked all the time. Aside from that the other problem is there are new anglers on the river trying to learn how to fish and see a group of people 'always catching fish' when they are foul hooked or not and decide thats the proper way to fish. Its a perpetual cycle.

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

You are correct. The only reasonable way I see to counter that is to educate people. That's why I'm doing less snorkeling and more educational vids this year.

Overall a good video but please define military grade sniper rifle. If you are referring to calibers most of what the US military uses is not only okay but is common to use for hunting. I understand the point you are making but please don’t use these mainstream media talking points to describe what is or isn’t fair chase in regards to hunting. Mis-information like this doesn’t help the already dire situation gun owners and hunters face in Canada.

@petrhermanadventures9509

9 ай бұрын

My family members hunt, I have my license, but no time to get out and do it. My understanding is that if you're a good shot with a hunting rifle 200 to 300 meters is a good distance. Snipers regularly shoot 1000 meters or more. That's what I was referring to, shooting at distances where the animal has no chance of sensing or evading you.

@randytrevors7958

9 ай бұрын

Thank you for clearing that up I’m not aware of hunters taking animals at over 1000 meters but I would agree that would not be ethical to do so.

Using military sniper rifle on deer in still fair chase

@petrhermanadventures9509

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, but only if you outfit the deer with night vision goggles first.

fly fishing is much more unethical than flossing. So many times have I seen fly guys pull in a wild coho on a 6wt and when released the fish would barely wobble off

@jackofallfishing

9 ай бұрын

The exact same argument could be made for someone using an ultralight rod to target coho. Has nothing to do with the technique employed, but rather the individual using under-powered gear for the fish they are targeting.

@joshreed7703

9 ай бұрын

Who cares let people use what they want

@icantcatchsalmon

9 ай бұрын

Yeah most guys use micro sized flies and floss fish

@ClaireMarge_1974

8 ай бұрын

@@icantcatchsalmon your username checks out

@icantcatchsalmon

8 ай бұрын

@@ClaireMarge_1974 its called a joke caught a 27 pound chinook this year on roe on the chilliwack river

Nothing wrong with flossing fish, especially if it’s hatchery fish. They’re created to be caught by anglers and harvested. If it bothers the local Karen on the river bank tell them to do something about the gillneters who have a far greater impact on the salmon population. Just don’t junk up the river bed when you’re drift fishing.

@cym86

9 ай бұрын

Your point further validates what Peter is trying to say. If you are flossing you are not targeting anything specific with a high likelihood of snagging or foul hooking. So saying especially hatchery fish isn’t a valid reason. Your second point about gill-netting I understand but it doesn’t make it any less right. If you are comparing the two regarding ethics then you know flossing is wrong. You are just seeing flossing as less wrong.

@mikelawrencestalker

9 ай бұрын

It's perfectly legal but you're not a fisherman if you're flossing

@mikelawrencestalker

9 ай бұрын

Flossing is not Angling and you just called it Angling

@sphatnani5213

9 ай бұрын

Dave..why floss when you can legitly entice the fish to bite. Improve your fishing skills. Just because it's hatchery, it doesn't imply grocery shopping. Regarding junking river beds, Gill netting in Vedder is limited and if you correctly float fish you will have minimal impact to river bed because you are not bottom fishing. Save your rant elsewhere.