That Scottish lady is completely correct. The best way is to invest on people. Focus on human development.

@adyzuleta9647

7 жыл бұрын

liberals, feminists etc are supporting politicians that are aligned with the dominant class ( rocketfeller, rotschill, Morgan, soros etc),, in fact many ppl ignore it and aren't aware about It same as feminists, the elite class are polluting and ruining the world by making it more indebted and industrialized, they don't care if they destroy the World and cultures, they don't care about the future of your children , racism and migration seems to be a good argument for the elite class to protect the oil industry and their banking sistem , those immigrants pay high taxes and Work for less money which it's what the huge corporations want so they can borrow more money from the banks at the same time It benefits federal reserve in EEUU so the Fed will print more not real money to have an even more indebted country, this is what the Icelanders avoided by imprisoning the bankers and corrupt politicians, hope iceland never join the E.U, Unfortunately most of our leaders only care about money so we will have to wait a long time to have ecológical and clean technology, we could have clean and infinite energy before thanks to nikola tesla

Denmark, Norway and Sweden found out long ago, that its important to invest in the people. That makes the growth and happiness.

@eliots8990

Жыл бұрын

Then why are they cutting health care and have a centre-right government?

29:13 and in Denmark you can buy a beer for less then a dollar and get about 20% back when you return the flask. That British guy should do his homework next time. His understanding of the VAT is entirely flawed, and he cherry picks between legislation from individual countries to paint an almost dystopian picture of the Scandinavian model. Without considering the framework in which these legislation's exists, Effectively making his hole presentation more of an personal opinion, then a objective statement about society and its form. Also whats with the eugenics part and controlling people?

That Scottish woman makes a lot of sense. It's all about local control. The reason why small states so often manages better than larger states, is because it's easier to feel a part of the democracy and help contribute to the society in a smaller state. A democracy needs to be small for people to feel they are a part of it. If Britain could learn anything from us in Scandinavia, it is that we all have a firm sense of identify while at the same time we co-operate well with our neighbor countries. The tension between Ireland and Britain certainly shows you guys can't really do that. I suggest Britain start breaking up itself into smaller democracies, and then start working better together as friendly neighbors.

Talking of the regressive nature of the tax system in Scandinavia is a bit misleading. The key difference with the UK is that the overall tax rate is much higher, and the government provides much more generous and extensive welfare programs. In the UK you have a two tier system for most things. The wealthy go to private schools average people can't afford. Child care is so expensive that it is better to stay home with your kids than work. Nordic welfare system operate on the idea of universal rights and programs for all regardless of income, rather than extensive means testing. The benefit of that is that because even the well off use these systems it means there is substantial political pressure to keep the quality of these programs high. You don't get the upper middle class to care about say public health care or schooling if they don't use it themselves. The second element is that unions are much stronger in Scandinavia which means the lower wages are pushed much higher. This is in large part a result of governments creating regulation protecting unions, while Britain has been busy busting unions. If people at the bottom earn substantially more then you don't need a tax system redistributing wealth to the same degree. Of course importing the nordic model is difficult since so much hinges on culture. I personally believe much of it is comes don't to high trust levels and a consensus oriented culture. Brits are much more open towards confrontation. That is likely a major cause of the failure of unions in Britain. Rather than having management and unions work together, they waged wars against each other destroying the British economy. My father who is from a Norwegian family with union bosses was shocked by how toxic labour relations were in Britain when he came there in the 60s-70s. Ultimately I think there is simply a significant cultural difference between the anglo-saxon countries and the germanic ones. When I read British accounts of the Netherlands in the 1600s, you might as well have been reading British or American accounts of Norway in the 2000s. Unions work much the same way in Germany as in Nordic countries, so the nordic model is not completely unique. I think the element Scandinavian countries add is that they are far more anti-hierarchy and class, than the bigger European countries.

The initial speaker speaks with such urgency.

@Yfreyr

5 жыл бұрын

Hehe,he has limited time,and a lot to tell.Actually his like this(almost) speaking norwegian in genral too.He is cool

Good video and sound work by the volunteers! better then a lot of corporate videos

Very Interesting. The takeaway for me is that the Welfare State works. Well. That and the Bruno joker clearly loves fearmongering.

The professor talks like a somebody is running after him. Though, he explains very important things. Such as; "a ceo or boss earns three times or four times much than you is ok. But four thousand times is not ok which is the case in america..." it's a great example. Also it is same situation in Turkey and many other countries.

Social Democracy FTW

That's far from my reality comming from Brazil but even tough gets me so deeply! Thanks for all the knowledge!

OMFG is that first guy high on speed or something LOL could he be talking any faster =P

@ballehossan

9 жыл бұрын

hhahaa, I totally agree. Too much LCS

@Storyraymond

5 жыл бұрын

021Sweden Oh yes! He is famous of this:)

@sveingeraldhansen7275

5 жыл бұрын

Its his normal speed

@tylsimys67

4 жыл бұрын

Well I don't think I'm the only one who read from the first editions of Guinness World of Records about JFK being the fastest public speaker. For sure he wasn't slow but that no-one (politician, astronaut, family etc) since then has had a scintilla of opinion of this is to my money still quite remarkable feature - and I have, believe me, spent hundreds of hours studying everything about the man and his legend... In a nutshell: it's funny you come across as a child with one feature about some famous character of which you know anything else about and then it's not even trivial.

@anesu846

3 жыл бұрын

Literally turned him to 0.75 speed

That Bruno feller is annoying, all he does is harp on eugenics, sterilization and the dangers of govt turning people into mindless robots instead of responding directly to points being brought up. And he misses the point about the Scandinavian tax system because the tax base in Scandinavia is much more egalitarian to begin with, so the middle classes can afford to pay higher taxes and still come out ahead compared to 'feudal' countries like the UK/USA.

@Justmynewaccount

9 жыл бұрын

I think it's a mixture of jealousy and disbelief: they have been proven wrong and they can't stand it.

@Xamufam

9 жыл бұрын

Absoleet A I don't think he knows that a lot of countries had sterilization programs during that time even the US

@argaapan7381

5 жыл бұрын

Everything you write is just wrong. Swedish buying power has fallen the last 40 years despite the technological development. Real wages as been at a stand still during the same period. At best. Inflation in this period is massive aswell (of course). The scandinavian progressive tax system basically means that rich people doesn't pay taxes, labourers pay +50 % of their income in taxes. You are clueless. The welfare state or the total state as it was known as when invented by Germany in 1915, has made the swede poorer, uneducated, and not nearly as capable as their fore fathers. I suggest you open a book at some point.

@argaapan7381

5 жыл бұрын

Bruno is spot on.

Finland had a AAA rating back in 2014 and it still mostly has (two out of three raters rate it AAA) - I don't know what was the woman talking about. Why didn't they mention a strong emphasis on science (at least in Sweden) since the 18th century. I don't know why Finland was on the side from this discussion - it regularily ranks the number one in many ranking lists. Just recently it had the best score in the stable state index. This discussion was important but I would say it was a bit 'uneven'.

The moderator probably has the most beautiful voice I have ever heard.

Very interesting debate to watch, given how myself and my friends are looking to the Scandinavian model of governance as a sort of utopia compared to Singapore. Is homogeneity and routine the secret to success in Scandinavia? On a side note, funny fact about importing high-tech telephone from Singapore in 1984 and nice to see a fellow University of Exeter student asking a question at this debate! :)

@kattissari1611

8 жыл бұрын

I dont know what to afjust to. So it broke

#Gabrielle Larsen Really? I'm a norwegian high schooler.. I haven't been really stressed since my final exam in 10th grade xD

the guy who keeps talking about sterilization is clearly a hack and not debating in good faith

Interesting talk, that eugenics talk was strange and seemed as a derailment from getting to good understanding. Much of what we have today come from politics done long time ago, that we seems to have "forgotten" in this neo-liberal economics where we are forced to be as all the others (US-"democracy"-capitalism)...

Julian Baggini at 48:10? Love his books

There is no scandinavian model . What happened is a historical metamorphose since the medieval period which bring an easily alliance between farmers and workers in the 19th and 20th century, added to a strong tradition of charity since the 16th century due to the severe situation of people and poverty , all this added to the new vision of democratic social theory of 1930 which metamorphosed gradually all this history to an egalitarian and a progressist vision . So, we can't understand the egalitarian scandinavian experience only if we study the history of these countries since the medieval period inorder to understand their attachement to the earth, the importance of farmers and cooperatives, and with the 19th century the introduction of a protected industry which led to the union between farmers and workers, and paradoxaly many reforms of this egalitarian system were introduced by the farmers' unions in the 1910's and 1920's organised in cooperatives to face the foreign big industrial groups, and not by the workers' unions as many thought .

GOD loves Scandinavia ......so true.

Culture, climate, cohesion.

High tax, high social structure. Is this something to argue for an hour and a half? "Låt dom bara gå på, vi klarar oss nog ändå.."

interesting debate

''Sweden is egalitarian'' No honey, that would be the rest of Scandinavia(Norway and Denmark). In Sweden only feminism rules now. + Why is there no Danish person at the table?

@MrNordicnicklas

7 жыл бұрын

jakobelgen2 Don't worry I know. It's just your media/press and politics who acts like this.

Norway was lucky and found oil Sweden had to work and innovate to get the money.

@jollyelektabuzz9999

8 жыл бұрын

+Uno G Erm norway had some sucess before oil you know... Oil was a nice find but we did sustain ourselvs before that with aggro culture and fishing.

@grevberg

8 жыл бұрын

+elektabuzz I remember the fishing I was a sailor back then and spent a lot of time on the Narvik Antwerp route. However the fishing is not guaranteed.

@jollyelektabuzz9999

8 жыл бұрын

The fishing is not gauranteed what the hell do you mean? It was gauranteed beacuse it happened in the past so we knew it happened. We did sustain on aggro culture and fish. We also did invent some rather important things one of which is widely used today mineral fertilizer.

@herrfriberger5

8 жыл бұрын

+elektabuzz You also had the academia. You came up with the first object oriented language, _Simula_, quite significant historically. Norway also had some successful electronics industry back in the 1900s, such as _Tandberg_ and _Norsk Data_, just like Denmark and Sweden.

@GeneralBlackNorway

8 жыл бұрын

Hydro power that was use to melt aluminium brought Norway out of Poverty, Oil and Gass brought us into Prosperity! The world needs innovative products just as well as energy and food. Some countries have to gather the resources, Norway happens to be one of those countries.

a lot of countries had sterilization programs

@BamseTheBear

7 жыл бұрын

Xamufam had*

I just wanted to say Norway is awesome. PS: Norway, Sweden and Denmark has a friendly rivalry, we're good friends. PS2: The board behind them says "Shaping the future through debate", too bad our debate is being taken away by political correctness and people who "feels offended" by words, like muslims for instance.

I like the second guy he´s sees and cite how it it was actually free markets that created the wealth in these Nordic Nations.

@eliasmagnusson2154

9 жыл бұрын

That is only partly true. A strong union, investments in universities and socialism built the middle-class that are now able to spend Money and are the very reason for economic growth. 1 billionaire does only need two pair of pillows. Free schools does also give the chance for the low income families to build a better future.

Interesting points made by everyone. Bruno Waterfield made some barmy statements however, going on a rant about Polly Toynbee and bringing up eugenics. Scandinavian sterilization programmes were unconscionable, of course, but eugenics was a popular belief in the early 20th century, based on junk science. Winston Churchill, our best loved Prime Minister, believed in eugenics and argued in parliament that we should take the "mentally defective" out of society and put them in forced labour camps. His thinking was a product of the time he lived in. No social democrat would propose that today. Also, Swedish taxes are somewhat regressive (as are UK taxes because of VAT and council tax), but Sweden has strong trade unions and collective bargaining. Thatcher broke the back of Britain's trade unions. That's why Sweden has much more income equality than us.

It's 1541,81 punds (16,700 SEK) before you pay tax in Sweden. And good luck to Scotland!

@geirerlinggulbrandsen851

9 жыл бұрын

What is, welfare? I get 20 000nok after tax on my welfare checks. But then again, Sweden is a bit cheaper, so a swedish bum is probably just as well off as me, a norwegian bum.: )

@geirerlinggulbrandsen851

9 жыл бұрын

Geir Erling Gulbrandsen actually, 20 200nok per month. More for holidays, christmas, rent..but the avg monthly welfare check is 20200nok.:)

@Nipponing

9 жыл бұрын

Haha, punds, that swenglish.

@geirerlinggulbrandsen851

9 жыл бұрын

*****​ Yeah, who wrote that?? Ah.."Glottris", I noticed it now! : )

One point to make clear is there are no direct population controls now in Nordic countries. It is a thing of the past and today people bear as many children as they want.

I have family in Sweden!

The US Post Service is actually pretty good when it's not being intentionally gutted.

"all you points about % is right" yes they are, now just admit its because its monocultural and people want to look after their own and are willing to take a hit to do so as people have the same rough end goal and path to get there.

oshilzl Russia is quite white too, is it also succesful?

@CCRUEnthusist

9 жыл бұрын

MrSuperBrite >slavs >white pick one

September, 1944. U.S.A. paratroopers were dropped into the netherlands to fight the german army. Thousands of your fellow citizens died because netherland couldn't protect themselves. What was the question again?

Hey, you have complains ? I'm from Romania and here all is great, all systems works great :) probably Louis Armstrong with his "What a wonderful world" he was inspired by a visit in Romania :) Who said that America is " all possibilities " country was profoundly wrong, country like Romania are all possibilities countries. Leaving the joke behind is very sad what's happening but we should jump all in the ocean because we're not born in Scandinavia ? Cheers !

I did find that Bruno guy a British, one-note joke wanker. Sterilization this and sterilization that. But there was a point he did make that no one else seemed to address which was actually brought up by a member of the attendees. We hear about specific success stories from the nordic countries, but they are few and really exceptional individuals. Personal economic growth is a concern for some because while yes, one may get time to go on holiday, it doesn't really matter so much if one lacks the physical means to have a savings account in order to have money to spend on frivolous things. For some people we do wonder if we can afford to purchase things just because we want them or because we want to give a gift, for example, to the ones we love.

Scandinavia is Norway,Sweden & Denmark. The Nordic Countries are Norway,Denmark,Sweden,Finland ,Greenland, Iceland and Faroe Islands

that swedish guy 44:45 annoys me!! Talk about your own country not ours as you have no clue

@Regina-iw7mj

8 жыл бұрын

+denmark39 he is norwegian

@denmark39

8 жыл бұрын

Regina Acosta Still annoying ignorant ;)

Yes Jante lived a long time ago, but Scandinavia is still "suffering" from Jantes law. If you want to understand Scandinavians you have to know jantes law....

It's a great country to live and bring up children

@Sarbet888

7 жыл бұрын

Rajeev how much you bought your children , next time please adopt.

@rajeevSreenivasan

7 жыл бұрын

hailu roth I didn't bought my children, but I like to adopt one over here..i mean very good place to live that's what I heard from media and friends.

@Sarbet888

7 жыл бұрын

Rajeev, I was just kidding with you, earlier you wrote `bought my children`.

What success!???

The secret of the success of the Scandinavian countries lies, as was pointed out by several of the speakers, in comparative freedom from corruption, perceived benefits from the rates of taxation and a respect for other peoples' opinions. This is the very opposite of the "raucous public state" advocated by Bruno and practised daily by the almost exclusively right-wing British press. His picture of Swedish social engineering is not in itself incorrect, only about 40 years out of date. If Scotland wants to go down the "Scandinavian road" it will have to get used to a more mutually respectful level of public debate, even if this will be less satisfying to the egos of the debaters.

@bighands69

10 жыл бұрын

The secret of the Nordic model is the the countries in question is down to the industrial success of the countries. And the fact that countries also value science and industry and they also have fairly free employment laws.

@LuigiLuigi6666

9 жыл бұрын

the USA is one big fucking ass lie, they lie and lie and lie about everything! and still they call themselves the richest country of the world?! i didn't think so.

@Motidur

9 жыл бұрын

Guus Kok Last time I checked, Norway was the riches country in the world (I am from norway)

@LuigiLuigi6666

9 жыл бұрын

That is awesome! Becuase Norway is freaking AWESOME!

@BarrySlisk

9 жыл бұрын

Alatar The Blue What's so awesome about Norway? Beautiful nature, I grant you that.

Why did the norweigian guy speak so slowly? Fell asleep.

lovelies people in the world

Are the Danes not represented at all in this debate? This is a huge mistake!!! (as shown by the Norwegian tendency towards inferiority complexes, and the Swedish tendency towards arrogance). Danes are the great Scandinavian unifier, and if there had been a Dane at the conference, the swedes and the Norwegians would automatically have been more calm and collected in regards to their social-economic wisdom-mongering. Not trying to be a bastard (dear Scandinavian brethren), but seriously, dont leave us out, you need us to stay centered. I know we are basically racist psychos in your eyes now (which i hate). But without us, you guys obviously loose your marbles (see video). Just a heads up (hugs and kisses to all Scandinavians :-))

@MrNordicnicklas

8 жыл бұрын

+Jesper Svendsen So true.

@eirikarnesen9691

7 жыл бұрын

Scandinavian union, we are all important for different things. and we are far superior to the rest of the world. there is just no other way to put it. we need to stand together again their evil. until we do so, we can still be easily be take buy our european admierers. have to do it fast. germany is looking hungry again

The secret is simple That is #society without god

Let us leave EU and make an union with Scandinavia and the GB-countries

@TheTalekith

7 жыл бұрын

That probably would be impossible due to missing a common language if you want to be counting Finland in to that. And also why England would hop into a union with scandinavian countries? I know scotland would possibly want it but it would be the only one.

rothschild? haha any relation

They'll never know the REAL secret. MUHAHAHAHAH >:D

Glad you're doing great there. Did you ever re-imburse U.S.A. for acting as your military in WW2? August 1944 we dropped 3000 paratroopers on the netherlands to save you because you didn't have an army. Glad you still get free dental.

@Cta2006

6 жыл бұрын

It was the Russians that in the end got to Berlin and ended the war. While the US certainly was a major contributing factor, there was also Russia and the UK and many smaller countries that fought. It was a combined effort.

The UK is already a welfare state it has some of the largest social housing groups in the world. Denmark on the other hand one in four people own a Beach house. What does that tell you.

@alexanderrose1556

10 жыл бұрын

that it has alot of beaches :D

@bighands69

10 жыл бұрын

Alexander Rose Thyren It has 7000 KM of coast line.

@geirerlinggulbrandsen851

9 жыл бұрын

Yeah! And on Gran Canaria they have norwegian street signs. A majority of real estate on Gran Canaria is norwegian owned!: )

@alexanderrose1556

9 жыл бұрын

Geir Erling Gulbrandsen Thats a direct influence on how wealthy the average scandinavian is! (god werent we lucky to be born here)

@AA-jg7xm

9 жыл бұрын

bighands69 lolz

#SwedenBOIS

"doesnt feel fair that they get paid more" neglects to mention the top 20% pay 80% of the tax in the US

They could be even better, if they didn't pay such high taxes.

@DMBethan6531

9 жыл бұрын

The high taxes are one the things that make it possible to be so successful.

@wasen_aeon

9 жыл бұрын

***** Tell yourself that the day when you have to make a major surgery and don't have the money to back it up...

@PauloDiBoa

9 жыл бұрын

Oscar Hult Adults usually can save money, and can save more money if they don't have to pay high taxes, babies need others (in this case the gov.) to take care of them. In low tax countries the economy grows and you may find a job, high taxes inhibit economy growth. I prefer to keep my money, save for future needs than send my money to the gov. which doesn't know better than me where to apply it. In low tax countries the medical care can be cheap. As low taxes stimulate competition.

@PauloDiBoa

9 жыл бұрын

***** Interesting... Thank you

@PauloDiBoa

9 жыл бұрын

warriorprince101010 Yes, a bit of socialism could work for rich countries, but my country Brazil, needs small taxes to grow, it always depends on case. I think socialism stops (stabilizes) the growth. When you want to stimulate the economy, you usually reduce the taxes.

its not socialism

Without Finnish "work ethic" at WW2 both Sweden and Norway would be bordering Russia.