Basically, a bunch of degenerate weirdos took over most nerd/geek stuff and now they're bringing their bullshit into the stuff we like. They don't like OSR because they can't control it.

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. The other thing to remember is they are minuscule in number but easily influence the virtue signaling companies like WotC, Paizo, Evil Hat, etc.

@bramzwingli

3 жыл бұрын

@@DM_Bluddworth As I see it the problem with most nerds/geeks and the industries and hobbies that we create and maintain is that we generally are too nice and welcoming, which back in the day was necessary but ultimately became what will kill our hobbies

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, I’ve been saying “We weren’t gatekeeping in the past, but maybe we should have been in recent years.” But in actuality the only gaming community you need to be concerned about is your own table. The other thing to remember is that, if you have the players you don’t need a new game system to keep them playing. I believe Frank Mentzer just announced his campaign of 28 years has finally come to a conclusion. All you really need is AD&D 1st edition or 2nd edition and you could play for a life time. D&D BECMI might carry you that long too.

@phoenixknight8837

2 жыл бұрын

@@DM_Bluddworth I have to admit, I admire the achievement of being able to run a game for decades.

@nordicmaelstrom4714

2 жыл бұрын

@@DM_Bluddworth Late to the conversation but I definitely agree with your statement. I have found that playing wotc/paizo games my interest just wasn't there. I felt like I was playing dungeons and superheroes with all these powers and never a real feel of danger from adventuring. I sold all my wotc/paizo books a few years back and have been gathering up a nice AD&D 2E collection and will move on to 1E and the Rules Cyclopedia. I find the older games give me that gritty and dangerous feel to fantasy adventuring and I actually feel like my characters or my players characters can meet a gruesome end at any turn. I am more than happy to ignore the SJW's and cancel culture individuals trying to ruin this hobby because I have all the things I need to play the old and true editions of the game and I don't have to deal with wotc etc.

KZreadrs like you helped me get into the OSR and find adventure and content. It’s a great pastime and hobby and helped a lot of people pass the time during pandemic lockdowns. The fact that it’s being criticized on Twitter must mean it’s growing in popularity. Don’t get distracted by the trolls and keep on adventuring!

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

I thank you very much for these kind words and your advice.

"They are apolitical..." What a great selling point, if you ask me.

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

Yes the Twitter weirdos require that all are as political as they are, and that you agree with them 100% all of the time. Any deviation and they want you to be “ended”. They have a pure hatred for differing views. It is why I’m glad they feel they are being gate kept from the OSR, and while that is not true, the effect is that they are giving up on the OSR and that is a good thing.

@ThomasSukhoi

3 жыл бұрын

“You better agree with me 110% or you are a fascist!” These people are incapable of being apolitical.

@House_Of_Cards_

3 жыл бұрын

Is a good thing we in the OSR community can have an apolitical and highly creative space where the words race don’t need to be changed with PC terms like “ancestry”. It is a hardcore And brutal arena where PC wheelchairs cannot exist. We can openly fight demons and devils as was originally envisioned by TSR without any fear of corporate censorship. It is good to be free.

The OSR is the last bastion of the entrepreneur spirit in D&D gaming. Every once in a while I trawl through DTRPG and toss $5 at a person who has one published work, because a lot of creators are out there with a single $5 or less PDF on DTRPG. And I want to encourage these people. Some of it I'll never use, but every once in a while I run into a James Embry. A guy just putting stuff out to put stuff out, some is free and some isn't, but it is obviously one guy doing everything. He's got 40 products on DTRPG right now and nobody's ever heard of him. I don't feel sorry for James, I admire his tenacity. I want to be that guy someday. Anywho, somebody who plays 5E shouldn't be even be talking about faceless corps vs the little guy.

@zacharyhoughton3391

3 жыл бұрын

This is pretty great. Creating stuff for the love of creating stuff, and for love of the group/game. I think if folks (myself included) made a point to support folks like this, it’d be a sweet encouragement to folks laboring away.

@Eron_the_Relentless

2 жыл бұрын

@Paul Gauthier I think you meant to respond to the video poster instead of my relatively light-hearted and heartwarming comment. If you're intending to 'come @ me bro' let me know and I'll respond. You'll actually have to explain what I've said that you're objecting to. Then I can better explain to you what you don't understand, how you're willfully misconstruing my statements, and/or why you're wrong. Because it's one or more of those three. I look forward to your response.

@DM_Bluddworth

2 жыл бұрын

Indies were not excluded, I just didn’t specifically mention them either. This video was a response specifically to an attack on the OSR, and not Indie developers. However the same person did lump all non 5E games into one group, “a waste of time and insignificant”. Take your issues up with him.

One thing I’d like to see on a channel like this is a history of how D&D versions define D&D. I hear a lot of people say D&D is not about dungeon crawls or war gaming, but the white box had “Fantasy War Gaming “ in the title. Erik Holmes clearly describes the game as a dungeon crawl. How has each version defined itself? It would be interesting to compare introductions.

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

I can do that

@DAEDRICDUKE1

3 жыл бұрын

@@DM_Bluddworth please do :)

@NemoOhd20

Жыл бұрын

You have to understand there WAS nothing called roleplaying or adventure games back then. There was only wargaming, one person versus another normally, with all their chess pieces on a fake landscape, one player won and one player lost. Of course that is really not at all related to D&D but it was the group of people who were initially the target. Chainmail WAS a miniature game. I think well into the venture, Gygax hoped it would succeed. Chainmail never really did, other than being kinda necessary for the old game, or being purchased because of the popularity of D&D. Even Arneson was bigtime into naval battle wargaming.

The critique is incoherent: on the one hand he says that OSR has been taken over by corporate commercial interests, on the other hand, none of the consumers are prepared to shell out. Which is it?

@treborschafer3945

3 жыл бұрын

Presumably he made some terrible sjw-laden content that nobody bought, that's my guess.

@climbingthatmountain6968

Жыл бұрын

What?

@Loehengrin

Жыл бұрын

@@climbingthatmountain6968 if no-one is shelling out for product then there is no commercial interest for corporations

@climbingthatmountain6968

Жыл бұрын

@Liodegrance the two are completely separate things. (The OSR is controlled by pseudo-corporations) (the customers are cheap) Your thought process seems to be that if the customers are too cheap to buy many of the corporations' products, then the corporations haven't gentrified and take over the OSR. Those two are completely unrelated things. If there are 3 egg farms in the town of Bloodsworthville, and the largest of those chicken egg farms incorporates and buys the other 2 chicken egg farms. Then, that corporation or corporate interest controls egg production in Bloodsworthville. If that egg farming corporation sells its eggs to the towns stores and restaurants, then we would say that corporation or corporate interest has taken over egg production and distribution in the town. Your argument is that the number of eggs sold in the town of Bloodsworthville is a necessary factor to validate whether the towns egg farms have been taken over by the corporation. Rather, if no one in the town of Bloodsworthville ever purchases or consumes an egg ever again, the corporations will still have taken over the egg market in Bloodsworthville. This is all just semantics, though, because we all know that the OP was making a generalization. We also know that the majority of OSR products sold are produced by a small number of businesses. Which is what he is really saying. He chose his words poorly to appeal to people who share his ideology. That doesn't mean that a corporation is only a corporation if it sells its products to consumers who spend a lot of money on them. We all know that the OP is an idiot because his frame of reference is reddit. We don't need to set up Strawmen and make non sequitur arguments

@Loehengrin

Жыл бұрын

@@climbingthatmountain6968 ah well then if the OP is an idiot then that's all well and good: you will move on to material more fitting to your elevated intellect, and I won't have to bother replying to any more essays I have no intention of reading

It‘s not the OSR itself that‘s feared. It‘s more the ppl that use the OSR. Many of us are older and have a more ... leveled mindset. That doesn’t seem to go well with the new generation, that sometimes wants everything catering to them. And now I talked like my grandpa . Awesome.

@lionelhutz3142

3 жыл бұрын

You might be onto something...the younger generation of gamers seems to demean and criticize that which it doesn’t understand and other people enjoy. 🙄

@CrazedSheep

3 жыл бұрын

@@lionelhutz3142 oftentimes they seem to want to put their stamp on everything. Like the orcs thing. Instead of live and let live, it means DESTROY for them. Which is really sad. One can’t even have a conversation. Which then results in some of US being dickish (who wouldn’t, being yelled at by at person half your age) and therefore need to the terminated or at least their livelihood has to be taken. It‘s ridiculous.

@ultraatari9298

3 жыл бұрын

It's true though what you say. And honestly I blame millennials more than zoomers, and I'm a millennial. But I don't know wtf happened to millennials. We grew up on Marilyn Manson, on contrarian morality, on individualism. Like that one meme of Liberals then: "fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" --RATM Liberals now: Fuck you, do what they tell you

@CrazedSheep

3 жыл бұрын

@@ultraatari9298 yeah, tbh I always counted myself to the left leaning group when I was a teen/tween. If I would convert that to today‘s standard ... oh goodness.

@Charles-jj2su

2 жыл бұрын

Not true. I’m a zoomer and very much dig OSR and the entire “Wild West” attitude of it, where you never know what you’ll find. It’s a lot more interesting than the stale tropes you find in many popular games.

Old School Roleplaying: DM runs the show, referees, interprets rules, and acts as the 5 senses of the players in a sand-box style setting (published or homebrew.) It's not cooperative storytelling; the story is what happens in the game via the actions and consequences of actions of the players. Character death is a distinct possibility, and the dice don't care about "feelings". Also, Old-School Roleplay is playing any roleplaying game of any genre, from any publishing time period, in a manner consistent with the style in which rpgs were originally played. That would be a semi-adversarial relationship between GM and players. GM acting as character sensory input, npc manipulator, over-all facilitator, referee, rules arbiter, and final authority. Any story is derived from how the game organically unfolds rather than anyone's scripted, planned storyline, with many ad hoc, ad lib, spur of the moment plot twists and turns caused by reactions to player actions and/or the results thereof. Most importantly, there is no favoritism toward any one character as "primary protagonist", with all characters both equal in opportunity and utterly lacking any "plot armor". Corporate games (rpg) makers? Games Workshop, WotC/Hasbro. Though GW likes to liscense things out, they did create a book publishing subsidiary division (Black Library) that published novels and rpg products before going with liscensing. Thanks for making this video. It isn't often we get a concise and reasonable definition of the primary schools of OSR thought and execution. That's because we're a collection of equals of similar mind but independent or each other. We give enough space to live and let live, free range gamers in the wild rather than fenced in, caged, monitored, and supervised by "authority". To us, politics is irrelevant to gaming, it has no context within gaming, and as gaming is our escape, it thus has no place at our tables. OSR has no King, OSR needs no King, for we are all Sons & Daughters of Gygax! Skol!

@NemoOhd20

Жыл бұрын

Arneson. Gygax wanted to play wargames until Arneson.

@rickanderson8683

Жыл бұрын

@@NemoOhd20 nah, Arneson came up with playing a role, large scale that of general, diplomat, ruler in his games but it was Gary Gygax who came up with roleplaying the small scale individual adventurer. Dave Arneson was one of those creative types that comes up with great concepts but struggles mightily with writing them down in an organized manner. Without Gary building on Dave's role-playing concept, any game Dave came up with would've been a boardgame or wargame with role-playing aspects. If Dave could've written it all down in a cohesive, organized manner, something many very bright, very creative people struggle with. Regardless, there would be no D&D without either of them.

The OSR doesn't have to say all those woke things or do all those woke things because they don't have to: Roleplaying Games are, by their very nature, innately inclusive and open to everybody. Anybody can play them regardless of identifiers, they can be any character regardless of identifiers, they can have their characters do or be about anything they want and their adventures can be anything or anywhere they wish. The people no the table, the most important part of an RPG, have full agency and can be as open, tolerant, diverse, and inclusive as they wish to be, and if someone doesn't fit into one particular table, they can easily find another table or even start their own. It's a very big and welcoming tent. Hell, they even allow me in there. Compare that to those Twitter People Like Organisms who claim to own the RPG Hobby whenever they see someone that doesn't fit into them: Close Ranks! Shield Wall! Do not give an Inch! Keep them out! We all-inclusive and open and diverse, so GTFO!! You do not belong here! Go Away, [radio edit] You Don't Exist Anymore!! And that is why I'm OSR. Sure, they can be toxic manbabies, but they don't mind having me among them. They might even buy my crap. I can't say the same about those so-called 'Gatekeepers.'

If being Apolitical is wrong, I don't want my gaming channel or my gaming table to be right.

@NemoOhd20

Жыл бұрын

There is really nothing wrong with being political. I have friends from both extremes. They know I love them and that Id do anything for them, but harassing their politics is fair game. However, if you are running half the population off you are just being dumb. It's a terrible way to do business.

The internet is full of stupid people, and for your own mental health you're better off not stressing over them.

they fear what they can't control.

"What are you talking about" and then immediately blocks you so you can't respond. Classy move.

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, “classy” which means cowardly in this case.

I still wish I had my Holmes edition. I also include Traveller/Cepheus Engine in the OSR.

@ivanrichmond3524

3 жыл бұрын

Have you checked out Blueholme? Blueholme is based on Holmes Basic with some Holmesian ideas, like that you can play monsters if the DM lets you. But it's basically Holmes Basic with some added options.

@toddzircher6168

3 жыл бұрын

@@ivanrichmond3524 Wow, I did not know that was a thing. Thank you for the heads up.

@williamlee7482

3 жыл бұрын

To me any rpg created in the 70s , 80s and the 90s is OSR . Runequest , traveller , Star Wars D6 , Dragondquest , GURPS and many many more are all OSR games even though GURPS is still in publication it's rules have changed very little from the time it was created

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, at least if you are using the definition of Old School Role Playing. Old school is any of those, mostly in the 70s and 80s, perhaps some in the 90s.

Wow, I didn't even know that their was such hate towards the OSR community! Thanks for your thoughts.

@ppppppqqqppp

Жыл бұрын

There really isn't, but grognards need to feel like victims or they can't pretend that their toys are being taken away.

Who is scared of OSR? I only hear good things about it, to be honest.

@Rajaat99

3 жыл бұрын

There's a lot of OSR hate on Twitter. It surprises me. I'm sure it's a minority though. Most gamers don't care.

@SebastienlovesCookieswirlc

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rajaat99 Either do not care, or actually appreciate it.

@lionelhutz3142

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a fun gaming experience. You know it’s growing in popularity if there’s critics and trolls 😂

@underfire987

3 жыл бұрын

The deathcult ideology of the left is scared because their marxist ideology has failed to subvert it

@NemoOhd20

Жыл бұрын

the nazi hunters and orc friends.

I mark almost everything I put on DTRPG as PWYW or free. I don''t expect anything but I hope that the readers enjoy my work. If wanted to do it for money, I would mark it appropriately. My 'capital earnings' is good karma since I'm giving back to the hobby that has been so good to me. :-)

@geekybugle4241

2 жыл бұрын

Funny finding you here, what's your imprint on DTRPG?

@DM_Bluddworth

2 жыл бұрын

R.Sell Games Publishing it is in the video description

OSR is hardly dead. I' would say it is growing if anything. I have no interest in big titles, but I have bought a lot of OSR rulebooks in the past 2 years just for fun, often with no intention of playing them all. The 2 or 3 I love the most I play. AKA Pocket Fantasy and Dungeons and Delvers Dice Pool Edition to name drop two, and Mini-Six Bare Bones I've played solo.

What a thought provoking and wonderful response. "Control" is an aspect I hadn't considered.

Once upon a time, nerds used to be smart. Then an Evil Wizard got rid of Thac0 and attack matrixes with his powerful spells and shouted at the Gods “We don’t need smarts nerds, they question everything, Let’s make them stupid” DM: roll a d20 vs death ray, ad+1 for each 10yrs you have in RL. Thanks for the video. I saw it coming and it is appalling. I play The Dark Eye but I love OSR. And thank you fir your work!

@NemoOhd20

Жыл бұрын

Im no dumber than I used to be but all the charts were stupid compared to the 5e system (just the bones, not the 3000 pages of rules and optional rules).

@flbellman

Жыл бұрын

@@NemoOhd20 as a matter of fact, Shadowdark offer the best of both worlds. Anyway, it was complicated but it was fun to discuss it, and required more intellectual commitment nevertheless. It is a matter of personal taste.

Greetings brother-from-another-service! I appreciate the overview of OSR. I’ve been looking at it and returning to “old school gaming”. - former Air Force Weather who did Army Support in Germany

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service and I’m glad you enjoyed the video.

Personally, I like the 5e ruleset, but not the small but noisiest portion of the new 5e culture. There's a lot of good people out there at 5e tables, but a lot of obnoxiousness on 5e-related Twitter feeds.

@trpdrspider8372

2 жыл бұрын

MUAHAHAHAHAH! This is rich take from the past compared to your current situation.

@Grumpyoldgamer310

2 жыл бұрын

Well said Dm Curt

"Twitter weirdo." I know you aren't talking about me, but I'm pretty sure it fits me

@NemoOhd20

Жыл бұрын

lolol

Left Twitter in 2012. Left Instagram in 2017, and finally Facebook in 2020. We don’t need these social brainwashing platforms. Life has been so much more fulfilling since.

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

I never used Instagram in any real way, set it up and maybe visited it 2-3 times. I still use Facebook and Twitter, but there is no way anything on those platforms are going to change my thinking. I am and always will be anti communist, anti Marxist, anti wokeness, anti political correctness. I never virtue signal and I don’t advocate for any sub group of humanity. I am color blind, don’t give a shit who you sleep with, and I judge people based solely on my personal interaction with them with only two exceptions.... if you harmed a child, or were cruel to an animal I would see you dead. My gaming table is open to everyone provided they are there to play the game. My table, my rules, and I am fully transparent for what my prospective players will do and experience in my game session. I am completely transparent with what I expect of my players. If they accept those expectations, they have given their consent. Other than session zero, there are no other safety tools. If a player is disturbed by something, he or she is free to walk away. The game session will go on.

@SuperMakoto13

2 жыл бұрын

Amen!

I agree with you 100%. I loved your definitions and learned that I’m a revivalist which is great! I run 1E and 2E. I am just going to point out that I’m a democratic socialist Bernie supporter but I don’t tell people what to think or believe. Twitter is a cesspool and always has been. For example, I don’t understand the orc situation at all. Values should not be in the rule book, if you want to create thoughtful content, make a clever adventure.

@jshricks

3 жыл бұрын

The comparing orcs to black people is racist individuals laying their racism onto aspects of the game. Racism is boring and gross, I don't let such people at my table. Those that engage in this anti social behavior do tend to be younger I've noticed.

@NemoOhd20

Жыл бұрын

You seem like someone I'd love to play with and Im no socialist.

The thing is this: The OSR represents gaming at its purest. There's no political agenda (nothing overt, at least), there's no gatekeeping, there's no bending the knee to Left-wing political causes. It's just gaming: people creating games and adventures that can be good or bad, that can have "biases" or "objectionable material"... or not, that can be gritty low fantasy or shiny high fantasy, or whatever... The Twitter Weirdos (as you put it) want to tell you what is acceptable and what is not: they don't want you to make up your own mind; they want to remove your choices and your decision-making power. They will say that gaming should be welcoming of all kinds of people... except to you, if you don't agree with them. The OSR represents *choice*. The players (to include gamemasters) decide according to their own interests, likes, and tastes what they like and what they don't, what they think is acceptable and what is not, and what they will play and what they won't... without anyone telling them what they may or may not think or do. You see, they fear the OSR because the OSR offers you choices, and they want to take those choices away from you. These are two diametrically opposed, irreconcilable points of view: hence the hatred and vitriol that the Twitter Weirdos will hurl in your direction. And since they are hurling it in your direction, that means that you are on the right side of this "debate". Congratulations. You will not be able to debate with them. You cannot convince them; you cannot out-argue them. They aren't interested in your point of view: they have already concluded that you are fundamentally and irredeemably wrong. The only way to defeat the Twitter Weirdos is to not play their game in the first place: ignore them, avoid them, cultivate networks that don't include them. The great thing about the OSR is that it is not a formal organization. There's no "center of gravity" to go after. It's just independent content creators doing their own thing... and it needs to stay that way. Anyhow, that's my $0.02.

@JBGarrison72

3 жыл бұрын

Well said.

What do they fear about the OSR? Not being able to be some furry, magic infused warrior who can never fail or be put in danger whatsoever. I’m a recent convert to the OSR and as a DM, I’m never going back

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

I fear nothing of the OSR, I’m a huge supporter of it. You should watch the video and you’ll see for yourself.

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

I’m sorry I must have read “they” as “you”, when I responded last. But to answer your question, the Twitter mod fears the OSR because it can not be controlled. The OSR has too many heads, so even if the SJWs control one or a few, there are many more out of their control. The SJWs like to believe that there is just one, unified community of the TTRPG hobby. They even speak in those terms, “The Community has spoken”. They believe they, although only a few handfuls of individuals, represent the hobby. Meanwhile they buy and or play very little of the OSR products if any of it at all. That is why many in the OSR simply ignore them, or openly mock them, the later being much more fun.

@Snoil

Жыл бұрын

Well, uh yep that pretty much nails it.

I don’t use Twitter or Reddit so wasn’t aware that this was a thing on there. But on other social media platforms, I have seen players-even old school ones -who keep restating that we had different values back then even though I am here sitting right in front of them and I have not changed anything.

I rather like your break down of renaissance, revival, and roleplay. It was a clear way to define the different I have seen in the OSR.

Thank you for this video

Good video. Also, thank you for your service, sir; Respect.

I honestly wouldn’t touch Twitter with a 10ft pole. Same as I don’t listen to mainstream news or watch mainstream tv. I don’t consider myself of any particular click even though I’ve played 1 and 2E for 35 years pretty much consistently since I was 11 … and only 2 years ago ended a 22 year campaign, I wouldn’t consider myself osr. I have Dm’d 2E, 3.5 and currently 5E on top of multiple other systems, but I don’t consider myself to be of any one particular rpg niche. I just play in and run what is fun for both me and my players. That’s all that matters to me. The fake woke whining *hating orcs is racist* brigade are infuriating, but I’m starting to see more and more versions of the same thing from some people in the osr community. The last real D&D was 2nd etc. To a point your right because of meta gamers etc. But I can promise you my version of both 3.5 and 5E are as real a D&D session as your going to get, filled with the lore that I’ve learned and imprinted on my brain over the thousands and thousands of hours I’ve spent in both Faerun and Greyhawk. Editions don’t make d&d players and DM’s do… I know that sounds like something on a quote of the day billboard but it’s absolutely god damn true.

The messages were clearly done out of spite by someone who has no interest in actually developing a view of the OSR based on what is true. It really doesn't deserve the amount of time and effort that went into this response video. If you enjoyed making it, then that's cool, but the only people I can imagine possibly taking those tweets seriously is someone who already agrees with the author of them and is just engaging in partisan groupthink. I would bet my bottom dollar from the sound of those tweets the author is an SJW.

Thanks for your service, brother. I'd stay clear of twitter and Reddit, for your mental health. I see you picked the best OSR logo on the right. 😉

There's a trick to "inclusion" Inclusion by it's definition means there will be people inside and outside a group. So if you have inclusion on something that is open to everyone, you CREATE a group of people who are in, and by definition people who are out. So being "inclusive" with an open group means being divisive. Worse it will only open things for the group they want. Notice they are very silent when including anyone not of their ideology? Even most normy woke people don't understand this. But believe me, the people who created the woke ideology know this well. It's intentional.

Anyone who truly loves fantasy and fiction would not want to stifle the freedom of creation and the imagination.

how you fired someone of d&d?

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t know, Mike Mearles seemed to think he could kick players with wrong-think out of D&D, while he made the most sexist of comments in the same breath.

There's tonnes of stuff on Drivethru listed as '0'.

For crying out loud, I just learnd 2020 that there is a thing like Reddit and I started using Lablord in 2012, OSRIC even earlier (it was my first retroclone, I did not have to carry my precious books from the 80s around anymore... *gollumgollum*) - and if one defines OSR as "Old School Roleplaying", I was even OSR before the OGL and 3e because I play Basic, 0e and 1e for ages... I never stopped doing so and have always tried to maintain and promote this very special style of roleplaying... The OSR-gang wants everything from corporations? What? BFRP and Iron Falcon, Whitebox and Swords & Wizardry are free for the PDFs and very decently priced for their POD-versions. What are those folks about? Lamentations? OSE? Beyond the Wall? I don't get it (but I have to admit I only listened up to **4:33** ;) *grognardranttriggered* )

Agreed and subed.

The poster sounds like they harbored some bitterness about something. By their language, it was very clearly more about politics and control than about gaming or even the economics of the industry.

I thought OSR meant Old School Rules. Interesting.

@DM_Bluddworth

2 жыл бұрын

It does, but after more thought on it I started to think about the types of OSR games out there and realized the OSR could stand for three different types of aspects of a game.

@tabletactics4578

2 жыл бұрын

@@DM_Bluddworth The group I’m in is getting into the older ttrpg’s. So I appreciate the sharing of information. Thank you for the reply.

That whole shambling horde monologue is a joke. Number one, I like my TTRPGS in multiple flavors. I have a collection that ranges from the super crunchy and OSR to the barebones almost no random factors. It's another tool in the bag which I'm very happy to have access too. Number 2, reddit is gross, how dare you accuse me of going there. Number 3, being apolitical is good. I don't think my leisure time needs the perceived slights of real life from any party to be present. Number 4, and lastly, I choose who gets my money and I don't care if you need it. Sell me a product and set your price. I will decide if you get my money after the fact.

haters gonna hate and eventually they move on, if we give them time and space by responding then they stick around

Wait, you mean to tell me that this person didn't even know what Mork Borg was when it was referred to? -- Only the most Metal version of a D&D variant. So Metal, the pen-ultimate plague that you can randomly roll for as the DM is to burn the BOOK and end the world you are playing in. Yet, he wants to trash and throw shade at the OSR? He has no ground to stand on.

@drunkendelver1966

Жыл бұрын

This sounds amazing. I need to do some research.

Suggestion: Move the microphone closer to you.

@DM_Bluddworth

Жыл бұрын

This was an older video and I have since upgraded audio quality

@captainnolan5062

Жыл бұрын

@@DM_Bluddworth Excellent!

I don't believe in complete "player agency." Try sitting down at the table without setting the stage, laying rumors, and strongly hinting at a direction for the players sometime. I guarantee you that if you don't do any of that and say "what do you do?" you will get blank stares all around (especially from the loudest "player agency" activists). Part of running the game is indicating what the possible avenues and directions of play are. Over time, as a campaign develops, the players may build their own agendas and propose directions within it, but let's face it, real unfettered player agency would mean the game (as we understand it) would never get off the ground. Movies have directors and, even if its just an outline, an idea and direction the narrative should flow. Heck, even improv actors have prompts and props to work with. Without the DM it would just be open night mic while we are waiting for someone to get up the nerve to go on stage and do.... what?

@DM_Bluddworth

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Sometimes the DM / GM needs to gently steer the players in some direction. But, I also have told my players to anticipate hearing “What do you do?” and be ready to think of something.

In general, anything the twitter freakshow doesn't like, I assume I like it or it is a good thing.

Well there you go… Twitter is stupid. Stay on KZread. 1e forever :)

Where do other RPGs that are not D&D-based fit into the argument? It seems to me that they are neither fish nor fowl, but are from the same era of RPGs as AD&D. Rifts, Palladium Fantasy, fifth ed. CoC, Cyberpunk 2020, GURPS third ed, etc. Old-school RPGs for sure, but not "OSR"?

@DM_Bluddworth

Жыл бұрын

I consider them to be OSR, Old School Roleplaying (or Rules). I make it a point that OSR is not just derivatives of D&D.

@bopaintsminis

Жыл бұрын

@@DM_Bluddworth That's how I see it too, but if I look at OSR videos on YT, or the Mewe group, it is almost exclusively D&D. When D&D took a hard left turn I went to RPGs that are not derivatives, like John Tarnowski's stuff. I walked away from not only D&D, but anything that looked like it, for good and ill. Just seems that a vast majority of gamers I see not only want to play 5e, but play it online. Two things I do not want to do. Thanks for the reply. I will def. watch more of your videos.

@DM_Bluddworth

Жыл бұрын

@@bopaintsminis thanks, I’ve also subbed to your channel. Painting minis is one thing I have -10 talent in.

they can go do their weird else where

As someone who you'd like label a "Twitter weirdo", I'm not at all afraid the OSR. I _love_ the movement as a whole. It's focus on DIY speaks to my punk roots, a more simplistic ruleset allows me a hell of a lot more leeway when it comes to hacking the game to suit my table, and the fact that combat is both fast and lethal fits the sort of campaigns I like to run; one that highly discourages the whole "murderhobo"-style of play and heavily encourages creative thinking when it comes to conflict.

@DM_Bluddworth

2 жыл бұрын

Are you sure I would label you a “Twitter Weirdo” then? It doesn’t seem so to me. TWs don’t actually play RPGs, they remain adjacent to the hobby and troll (both definitions) social media looking to trash the traditions, and or legacy of the hobby.

@thecthuloser876

2 жыл бұрын

@@DM_Bluddworth I suppose it ultimately depends on _your_ definition. Although most people I've encountered who use similar terms usually mean "anyone who falls anywhere in the LGBT spectrum and doesn't feel the need to hide it, and/or who has more left/liberal leaning politics". But I suppose that could be my own personal biases, based on personal experiences of folks using the term in other subcultures I've been part of. I also don't think the traditions and legacy of the hobby (or the traditions and legacy of _anything_, really) have any inherit value. They might be something to the individual, which is valid but as a whole? No. I mean, I've sacrificed the sacred cow of alignment for more than a decade at my tables.

@DM_Bluddworth

2 жыл бұрын

That is largely the propaganda spread by the “Twitter Weirdos”. They view “All are Welcome” as gate keeping because it is not an explicit invitation to group x, y or z and it certainly is not a quota system that over represents supposed marginalized groups. I wrote “supposed” because I have yet to see any evidence that there was gate keeping against said groups in the past or the present. On your last point, I respectfully disagree. The legacy and traditions of a hobby, or anything else for that matter, have value in so much as it helps explain how we got to where we are at now. You have to know the traditions before you can judge if they are something you want to continue or something you want to change.

@thecthuloser876

2 жыл бұрын

@@DM_Bluddworth If someone says "all are welcome" but then make qualifications to actually be welcome... But as I said, I don't really find the OSR as a whole being very judgemental. Views like the person you're talking about aren't common, even on r/osr, or any other section of the community. And I won't argue that it's important to understand where things came from... But ultimately, those things aren't terribly important to today. And a lot of the "traditions and legacies" of tabletop role-playing games aren't important and arguably, never were. From the start of the hobby, people made house rules... Changed rules they didn't like, or even made entirely new systems.

@DM_Bluddworth

2 жыл бұрын

@@thecthuloser876 “All are welcome” to enter the pizzeria restaurant, but if they think they are going to order Chinese food off the menu, and then demand that it gets served to them, they are no longer welcome. If they look over to the next table and say, “hey I don’t eat that food and you can’t either”, they are no longer welcome. There are always qualifiers associated with a welcome mat.

Pay what you want does mean free. If you don’t want to give it away for free then put a price on it.

@DM_Bluddworth

7 ай бұрын

I think that while this is true, PWYW should still count towards the sales awards on DrivethruRPG. Even if I make something PWYW and 500 people give me a combined $100, rather than selling 500 copies at $.20 each, it should still be a Gold Seller!

Whether or not something is a corporation has nothing to do with whether it's owned by a larger entity. It just means the company has a separate legal existence from the people running it. Which makes absolutely no difference to the ridiculousness that is the OP's word salad rant.

Sounds like dude needs money and doesn't like his own identity, or the kinds of friends he has - have to immediately presume projection with these people. God forbid someone wants to get their hands on some old Chaosium/ Elric books, Talislanta, Rolemaster, etc...there are some good, seldom traveled game systems out there. I own original TSR 1e and 2e products, but there is nothing bad about 'print on demand' books when you just want a play copy that will get good use, or to have access to information that is long out of print (let alone original creations to compliment older systems). If I was going to describe the OSR..."Because we can, and because we like it."

I have a good question, why is anyone on twitter?

@DM_Bluddworth

Жыл бұрын

It’s like going to the zoo, or slowing down to see a car wreck.

Paizo, Inc. and Chaosium, Inc. are, by definition of the "Inc." part, corporations. They're not subsidiaries of other corporations, like WotC is to Hasbro, but they're definitely corporations. Nothing "pseudo" about it. Maybe he thinks OSR stands for "Open Source Roleplaying." Anyway, no gripe, just a minor point of detail. Play on!

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

Fair enough, although I think that when a singular entity incorporates itself that is more a role of insulating itself from liability and protection from bankruptcy (LLC) rather than a true corporate entity with subsidiaries or a subsidiary itself as is WOTC. But you are correct that the others are corporations.

Osr is the best and the most fun this is the game that started it all play osr.

This video is level-headed and reasonable.... but this comment section is a dumpster fire

You should have told this person that SJW's only exist on twitter. these people are not worth the time.

Why are people so hung up on definitions of gaming? Whether OSR, big gaming (whatever that is...WoTC?), or arguing about the whole GNS pish? Play what you want, with who you want, and don't break Wheaton's Law. I have noticed over the years that those who mainly play only one "flavour" of RPGs tend to be the most bogged down in this style of discussion. EG: D&D players tend to be more into the distro wars than Call Of Cthulhu players. Maybe...just maybe...if players varied their gaming diet people would be more tolerant...

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

The reason to define it is so that those who hate the OSR movement are not the ones who define it. Just because I play within the OSR movement does not mean that I’m not playing a variety of games, in fact it is actually the complete opposite. The OSR is a vast variety of games.

@AngryPict

3 жыл бұрын

@@DM_Bluddworth , please don't take me the wrong way. It wasn't your definitions I was commenting on. Yours make sense. The critic seems to view OSR as a monolithic movement with defined and focused purpose rather than a loose catch all term. But I could be reading too much into it.

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

@@AngryPict I did not take you the wrong way, I can see that you understand the agenda of those that want to see the movement as a monolithic one. The OSR movement has thwarted the SJW plans to subvert it thus far, and that drives them crazy. They can infiltrate it and then control the narrative. The OSR is far more diverse than the SJWs will ever admit, and the OSR includes far more games and genres of games than they tend to play. Within the ranks of the SJWs, few if any play older editions of D&D. They almost exclusively play 5E. I’m not saying all players of 5E are SJWs, but all D&D SJWs play 5E. WotC at least pretends that they cater to their demands.

@kryz9648

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps its because the far left woke are obsessed with defining things within their myopic, campus-indoctrinated, cartoonish framework. Redefining words, genetics and history. associating pigment with entrenched and expected thoughts, values and virtue. They seek out areas of enjoyment and escapism and Demand to have a space at the table then demand and accuse until the invaded hobby or interest group is now divided and focused on their demented umbrage and political topics instead of coming together to enjoy the activity. They are locusts.

The guy clearly isn't interested in games, only inserting his hateful politics into it and excluding anybody who transgressing his ridiculous dogma. Gatekeeping is necessary, but only against people who would destroy completely the whole hobby.

Just some random, chaotic thoughts in reply. I'm going to guess this person says this but sucks at the teat of WotC and/or Paiso or Chaosism and buys everything their preferred corporate masters put out, even when it reeks on unplaytested garbage written by non-DMs and non-players. Reddit and Twitter are equally cesspools. Some of their points are close to the truth. The OSR being apolitical is good. I wish they were right. It has split over politics sadly, politics which should not matter when playing games. The OSE sadly splintered after the death of G+. I do prefer definitely hardcover. I buy lots of stuff and I sell what I don't like.

A lot of bad people on twitter, and twitter banned a few good ones too but there is a new owner at twitter so it hopefully changes. I feel 5th edition is really bad, at first I could listen to live games. I found the rules are written for people that want no challenge and the characters are to powerful at low levels to appease the participation trophy crowd.

@NemoOhd20

Жыл бұрын

The bones of the 5e combat system are good. They really are. Advantage adn disadvantage beat the hell out of +2 +2 -1 -2 +2 +1 equals whatever. DC checks instead of hundreds of charts. Ascending AC and no to hit charts. All massive improvements. The 50 hit point low level superhero characters who can nuke a dragon in three hits on the other hand....

For going on 40 years I have run and played games my way. No left wing nazi or right wing commie will change this.

@DM_Bluddworth

2 жыл бұрын

I think you have your left and right wing confuses but I agree. I will let no left wing cultural Marxist (SJW) tell me what is or isn’t inclusive. Just as I didn’t let any right wing Evangelical Christians tell me what games to play or music to listen to.

@stevefugatt7075

2 жыл бұрын

@@DM_Bluddworth The Left/Right thing is my own oddball sense of humor, it's also a reference to a line from an old Type-O Negative called "We don't care (What you think)." Anyhooze, my point is this: I survived being called a devil worshipper as a kid, being called a bigot or whatever won't kill me either. 🤣

Yeah - but why are you on Twitter in the first place?

@DM_Bluddworth

Жыл бұрын

I’m not there very often, same with Reddit. But is if kinda fun to see the #sparkletrolls go Reeeee over not being able to take control over the OSR. They (used properly in the plural) can’t wrap their heads around the fact that the OSR is not a community, but instead a movement or simply a style of playing RPGs. The OSR is for players looking to “just play the game”. It’s not interested in providing therapy, or for people grappling with their identity. The OSR is not here to provide anyone with safety tools. If a player feels unsafe in a fictional setting, playing a fictional character, doing fictional things…. The RPG hobby is not for him or her. At least not until they get professional help for their issues.

Take the latest release from WOTC that through the citadel that instead of describing the adventure they proclaim the skin colour of their writers instead! My point is OSR doesn't bother with that rubbish. What happens in your game is what you make whether as the dungeon master or one of the players. Instead of focusing on the skin colour how about advertise the actual product and not your ignorance? Sorry but regarding buying stuff off of drive thru rpg where some products are free. And? You can still buy that stuff and some can even be printed! I notice Wizards won't allow the D&D red book, expert, etc can't be printed out although the cyclopedia can. Adding a notice to these products despite them not being their own work and claiming some sort of amnesty for their quirks whilst ignoring they're actually trying to pass the buck on their own proclivities onto the works of much better writers?! I'm on Reddit don't really go looking for OSR its just far too broad a term maybe they should specify which OSR product they're talking about? Maybe the reason they fear it is because its not beholden to their ilk and thus it frustrates them that they can't alter it or force people to not buy that stuff?

@NemoOhd20

Жыл бұрын

There are plenty of diverse writers out there who produce good adventures. However, the garbage citadel isn't one of those products and apparently WOTC doesn't employ talent.

This is what happens when we thought that gatekeeping was "bad". Woke freaks came in and started shitting up the game.

If they really cares about the political and propagandist content, they would use OSR, and not the new stuff.

I don't get the appeal of the OSR at all... who has time/interest to play endless numbers of RPGs? Basic D&D is back in print these days on DriveThruRPG so there really is no need at all for retroclones and their "old school" philosophies... just play the games you did as a kid and leave all this politics and these "new school/old school" cliques behind. If it doesn't say "D&D" on the cover then it ain't D&D!

@DM_Bluddworth

3 жыл бұрын

To a certain extent I agree, there are too many retro clones, however what many of them do is improve upon the format and layout of the older rule books making the easier to understand. As for picking up the originals, yes they can be found on EBay or on Amazon in the 3rd party market. Sometimes you can find a bargain, but I’ve averaged about $35 per book. As for POD and PDFs I personally would never buy an older edition PDF from WOTC. Their placement of the disclaimer eliminates my desire to pay them for something they have no respect for.

@tedskinhead

2 жыл бұрын

I understand not using old stuff - I went into OSR maybe three years ago, after over 10 years gap in playing. Mainly, I wanted to find light rules, generic fantasy to have easy fun (Swords and Wizardry that was). And this simplicity worked for me with so many games that are small bat can do big things (like great Maze Rats or Knave). In this situation hacking, houseruling and adding classic stuff are easy peasy. When I'm looking back on actual old classic systems i see things like THAC0 and it is too much crunchy for me. But foremost, best thing that OSR gives is not what to play but how to play, advices how to create sandbox adventures, tables, how be referee for players and not be their archenemy. Those things are great even to run other games that are not focused on dungeons/wilderness. Cheers

Squosh face

@DM_Bluddworth

2 жыл бұрын

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@dylanknight1237

2 жыл бұрын

@@DM_Bluddworth the aspect ratio (idk for how long, I only watched the beginning before listening like a podcast) was kinda bungled, so your face looked stretched vertically (or squashed horizontally). I thought I'd mention it. Edit: looks like it continues to about 19:28.

@DM_Bluddworth

2 жыл бұрын

For split screen the aspect is changed. Even in full screen mode, my camera does nearly a 180 degree view, so I crop it from Left, Right and Bottom.

Sounds like a deranged communist rant, he's angry others are producing successful content that has an audience. He's angry nobody wants what he makes, even for free. And is too arrogant to change. (the customers are wrong, not me!)

There's a reason why being "apolitical" isn't good, first of all, people live in the society, and everything people do is inherently political. Second of all, if you're "apolitical" you're just supporting the status quo, and the status quo isn't good for marginalised people.

@DM_Bluddworth

2 жыл бұрын

I try to keep my channel and gaming apolitical. I focus on running a game session based on the game mechanics, rules and any modifications I have introduced. The setting and themes are based on my own desire and presented to prospective players as is. If the prospective player likes what he or she hears, and choose to sit at my table, the player has given consent. The status quo of running a game the way it is intended has nothing to do with marginalized people either being harmed or supported. No game I have seen is written to support or harm any specific group, but even if one did, no one is holding a gun to someone’s head and forcing him or her to play.

@IchigoShinagami

2 жыл бұрын

@@DM_Bluddworth I'm not saying that your campaign is harming marginalized people, I'm saying that when a substantial group of people, who could actually change something if they wanted to declare themselves as "apolitical", it does harm, in this day and age you cannot stay apolitical, it is just as bad as being right-wing

@DM_Bluddworth

2 жыл бұрын

@@IchigoShinagami is there nothing bad with being left wing?

@elbrusaronovitchprezhniyth2467

2 жыл бұрын

@@IchigoShinagami In other words we must all mindlessly follow the ideology of the left, chant the party slogan, give all our resources to "the cause" and make everything up to and including taking a dump about politics (well, leftist politics) or we'll hurt the (gasp) "marginalized". "SILENCE IS VIOLENCE!" (I'm affecting my best Paul Lynde voice there)...you guys in the "everything is inherently political" "everyone who isn't to the left of Che Guevara is a right winger" crowd are creating more "Evil Right-wingers" every day...good job ze, zer or whatever you call yourself this week, mi compañero.