OSR Review: The Hero's Journey

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  • @ConkerKing
    @ConkerKing4 жыл бұрын

    Never change that intro tune dude :)

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    4 жыл бұрын

    It has proven popular so I have no intention of doing it! :)

  • @duhg599

    @duhg599

    3 жыл бұрын

    Gotta say though, every time I hear that drum break intro I expect to hear “She’s a BRICK... House!”

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@duhg599 Lol.. one day!

  • @DnDOldGuard

    @DnDOldGuard

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@captcorajus It is iconic, and honestly I hum it now and then. Keep it up my dude!

  • @TheJDough1
    @TheJDough1 Жыл бұрын

    James Spahn is one of the best game designers out there. Unfortunately he doesn't get the appropriate love he deserves. His work is stellar.

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    Жыл бұрын

    Agreed 100%

  • @RoDaGrier
    @RoDaGrier4 жыл бұрын

    I ran a 3.5 D&D game that took place in the 5th Age of Middle Earth after the departure of the Rings. I think I may revive that campaign and use this system. The theme would be rooting out the last of the old evil and the departure of old magics.

  • @RoDaGrier
    @RoDaGrier4 жыл бұрын

    Mr. Spahn , along with Kevin Crawford (Sine Nomen games), and Jeffrey Talanian (ASSH) my favorite breaths of fresh air in an old hobby. Best new tricks for old dogs.

  • @TheConfessor

    @TheConfessor

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jeff Talanian is one of my favorite people. He and I approach fantasy from opposite ends of the spectrum, but he's such a fun, charming guy to talk to.

  • @TheConfessor
    @TheConfessor4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much for he in depth and kind review, Captain!

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    4 жыл бұрын

    My pleasure! You put a lot of heart and work into the game, and I just wanted to try and do what I could to give it the attention it deserves my friend.

  • @BK-cs4gv
    @BK-cs4gv4 жыл бұрын

    Looking forward to this!

  • @RobertoMicheri
    @RobertoMicheri4 жыл бұрын

    This game is terrific, I love the feel and the details in the rules.

  • @andychandler1737
    @andychandler17374 жыл бұрын

    I was on the Kickstarter and the books are absolutely luscious! Plus the design choice to keep the the pages formatted with one column was genius in their application to the digest sized physical manual and PDF. Man I would live to see Dragonlance or Elric/Stormbringer come to this system! It’s the perfect systemIc fit in my opinion. Also I think one of the reasons I adore this system, and as mentioned in the review, it’s the almost exact ideological opposite of my favorite fantasy game system Dungeon Crawl Classics. But I gotta get this one to the table for sure.

  • @defnlife1683

    @defnlife1683

    2 жыл бұрын

    DCC is really fun, having this is a good alternative. They hit different portions of appendix N. Getting Hyperborea 3E wpuld probably cover all the appendix N bases.

  • @BTsMusicChannel
    @BTsMusicChannel4 жыл бұрын

    3:08 The hero's journey chart idea is rooted in the thinking of Joseph Campbell (as in "The Hero With A Thousand Faces" or "The Power of Myth' and other works) where he describes the generic myth and the hero's journey in phases. Campbell's cycle is rooted in 19th century Russian literary theorist Vladimir Propp's 'generic fairy tale.' Campbell's ideas are also heavily influenced by neo-Freudian psychologist Carl Jung's 'archetypes' concept. As the title suggests, this game seems to borrow heavily from these intellectual ideas about what makes a great story. I recommend that RPGers become familiar with the material I mentioned if they want to see theory behind fantasy genres in order to use it to understand using RPGs for storytelling better. This game seems like a good introduction to these concepts, especially if you want to have two clear sides of "good" and "evil" in diametric opposition within your setting. As a scholar, I am a bit appalled that Spahn either did not know of (which seems far-fetched to me, considering he has borrowed much of the language) or did not cite any of these things in his influences. As an RPGer, I am happy to see that he has an "Appendix N."

  • @TheConfessor

    @TheConfessor

    4 жыл бұрын

    That is a very fair criticism in my lacking the inclusion of Campbell's work and is a grievous oversight on my part. It was so obvious that I didn't think to include it. Clearly a case of missing the forest for the trees.

  • @BTsMusicChannel

    @BTsMusicChannel

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TheConfessor next edish :D

  • @SirMillz
    @SirMillz4 жыл бұрын

    Classic styled RPG at its finest!

  • @darthjoel6357
    @darthjoel63574 жыл бұрын

    Ty for the review of this game! I love hearing of games I’m not familiar with or never heard of. 😊

  • @drewwill6497
    @drewwill64974 жыл бұрын

    I love the Despair rules and particularly the armor rules. I think as characters get higher in level we have a tendency to forget the shear terror of a dragon or demon. No matter how many hit points you have something that large should make more of an impact. This game has brought a great new perspective and seems well worth checking out. Thanks for sharing Cap!

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    4 жыл бұрын

    You got it. I'm glad that I communicated that in my video well enough, because that's exactly it. Even at Max level, you'll be cringing in your boots when a dragon shows up!!

  • @fairytalejediftj7041
    @fairytalejediftj70414 жыл бұрын

    Great review. Really makes me want to know more.

  • @fairytalejediftj7041

    @fairytalejediftj7041

    4 жыл бұрын

    Quick question: are there mass combat rules?

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    4 жыл бұрын

    No.

  • @fairytalejediftj7041

    @fairytalejediftj7041

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@captcorajus That's okay, I got it anyway. 😀

  • @ljmiller96
    @ljmiller96 Жыл бұрын

    I bought this from your recommendation. It really is something special!

  • @theobstinategentleman4094
    @theobstinategentleman40944 жыл бұрын

    Hey man, I love your videos. You always find a way to bring something different to the table.

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks brother I really try!

  • @Turambar29
    @Turambar294 жыл бұрын

    It really is a fantastic book, I can't wait to run a game with it!

  • @LukeMasouras
    @LukeMasouras4 жыл бұрын

    This looks great! I have not seen this before. Thank you for the review. Yet another set of books I will have to get.

  • @johnmagowan6393
    @johnmagowan6393 Жыл бұрын

    Playing some of your videos while I work. Your spell casting voice just caught my attention... EPIC lol

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    Жыл бұрын

    Lol.. that's my weak attempt to emulate Sean Connery. My players say it sounds more akin to Patrick Stewart.

  • @johnmagowan6393

    @johnmagowan6393

    Жыл бұрын

    @@captcorajus it's an empirically bad Connery, but it's definitely a Connery

  • @Thos1001
    @Thos10014 жыл бұрын

    Excellent review. This game is a true gem- a work of beauty.

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    4 жыл бұрын

    I agree!!

  • @Tony-dh7mz
    @Tony-dh7mz4 жыл бұрын

    You can tell Mr Spahn, you just made a sale, Looks perfect for the hobbit, Always fun to watch your videos Cappy :)

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    4 жыл бұрын

    Awesome! Glad to hear.

  • @Johnny_Nitro
    @Johnny_Nitro4 жыл бұрын

    Hello Cap! Great video very comprehensive and fair. I love the way armor and shields reduce damage and how spells have 3 available effects. While I can see the thrust of what this rule set is trying to accomplish, it's DNA is so apparent that the work feels derivative of Tolkien rather than a homage. I have no interest in this particular product, but your vids are always a highlight. Keep up the good work!

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    4 жыл бұрын

    The line between the two is a thin one. The question is, does it allow for other styles of fiction. It most definitely does. So I feel it falls most definitely into the homage camp rather than derivative.

  • @richmcgee434

    @richmcgee434

    4 жыл бұрын

    Seems like it could easily be used for a less Tolkein-ish setting if desired, especially using the supplements that are out for it and maybe leaving out some of what's in the core (for ex, dropping halflings).

  • @Zotob1975
    @Zotob19754 жыл бұрын

    Love this game

  • @vaele723
    @vaele7233 жыл бұрын

    Great video as always! Loved the 1st edition, but I'm not too sure if I like the paraphrased terms. Though it definitely makes it more thematic.

  • @mrgodliak
    @mrgodliak4 жыл бұрын

    This sounds interesting! Thanks for the video

  • @Gruoldfar
    @Gruoldfar4 жыл бұрын

    Sold!

  • @skronberger
    @skronberger4 жыл бұрын

    Great Review! Looks like an interesting game.

  • @joshjered6462
    @joshjered64626 ай бұрын

    Just ordered the hardcover. Super stoked!

  • @RobertoMicheri
    @RobertoMicheri4 жыл бұрын

    After reading this game, and as I'm rereading Dragonlance, this would be my system to run Krynn.

  • @Turambar29

    @Turambar29

    4 жыл бұрын

    What a neat idea!

  • @TheConfessor

    @TheConfessor

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dragonlance is one of the inspirations!

  • @RobertoMicheri

    @RobertoMicheri

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TheConfessor you keep making great games, thank you!!!

  • @RoDaGrier

    @RoDaGrier

    4 жыл бұрын

    I signed on off my phone just to say that. I have been working on such a game since I got my PDF of this from the Kickstarter.

  • @TheConfessor

    @TheConfessor

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@RoDaGrier Yeah, Dragonlance and that world's view of Wizards had a huge impact on THJ. I hate how in most fantasy RPGs the general reaction to a Wizard is a very "ho hum, it's another magic-user" reaction. In Dragonlance, when a Wizard walks in the room everyone stops and is like "Oh crap, it's a WIZARD!" THAT is how most normal people SHOULD react to Wizard. Magic should be awe-inspiring.

  • @RoDaGrier
    @RoDaGrier4 жыл бұрын

    As last month (July 2020) was the 30 year anniversary of the Ravenloft campaign setting, I have been shopping around for good systems for horror. I think I can use a variation on the Despair mechanic in this to some good use. Also rewriting the classes as Gothic Horror Archetypes, and Races as appropriate Lineages are both good ideas. Ravenloft cries out for a more narrative system, and this is a useful one.

  • @TheConfessor

    @TheConfessor

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm a HUGE fan of Ravenloft and hope to do a Ravenloft-y style game using the THJ2e chassis one day.

  • @chrisfulton1689
    @chrisfulton1689 Жыл бұрын

    I originally backed this on Kickstarter, got the rulebook in print and everything else in pdf, and then ended up getting pretty much everything on pdf in print. Missed one or two things you mentioned in several re-readings of the rules, but hey, human here. As far as the Rover, it was the first character I rolled up to play. I actually think it will be a great character to play. It's a character type not really used in RPGs, especially considering it's used as a Yeoman type character. How can one not want to play Samwise as an ankle-biter? LOL Love the review. Been looking for a real review of the game, and you, Sir, have nailed it.

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    Жыл бұрын

    Why thank you so much!

  • @toahordika6
    @toahordika64 жыл бұрын

    You successfully convinced me to buy a copy of the book. This RPG really captures what I want an RPG to be better than any other one I've seen before. I'm thinking of using the old MERP modules to run a middle earth game with it. I would just ban magic users, but otherwise everything is perfect for middle earth. It even has rulers for skinchangers and ents (I would love to play an ent character).

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    4 жыл бұрын

    It would be perfect for that! Absolutely. Spahn really brought some new ideas to the hobby with the way he laid things out there, and breaking the mold on what an "OSR" could be. Thanks for the kind words.

  • @TheConfessor

    @TheConfessor

    4 жыл бұрын

    Many of the classic MERP modules could easily be adapted to THJ.

  • @ronniabati8550
    @ronniabati85504 жыл бұрын

    Please do a review of Forbidden Lands RPG by Fria Ligan

  • @misterbplays
    @misterbplays3 жыл бұрын

    After watching this video, I had to go buy the pdf. :D

  • @TheConfessor

    @TheConfessor

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @toahordika6
    @toahordika64 жыл бұрын

    Can you do a video comparing all the different retroclones, as well as just straight up AD&D and BECMI? I am looking to try a retroclone, but idk which one to try.

  • @WonderLure42
    @WonderLure422 жыл бұрын

    Reminds me of Ryuutama actually.

  • @DavidLovins67
    @DavidLovins673 жыл бұрын

    I love your channel.

  • @richmcgee434
    @richmcgee4344 жыл бұрын

    Interesting, hadn't seen a review of this before, although the creator's a familiar name. Sounds like the "Weal" attribute is closer to what some games call Luck than anything traditional to D&D. Good thing in my book - I think more games should include some mechanical representation of good fortune and plot armor for the character, if nothing else to make up for the appalling die rolls of some players. The Errant Human lineage sounds like a nod to (say) Donaldson's Thomas Covenant, Rosenberg's Guardians of the Flame, and Pratt's Shea stories (to name just a few) but will probably make many people think "isekai" these days. I wonder if you have the option to have gotten to fantasy-land after being run over by a truck? :) Nice to see the game differentiate between ease of being hit and resistance to damage. Always liked the old Mystara rules you showed off there. Multiple-option spellcasting seems like a clever middle ground between traditionally limited memorization and wide-open sorcery-style cast what you want mechanics. Looks like you bought it as POD. How was the printing and binding quality?

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    4 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely agree with everything you said there. I loved the Thomas Coveant stories and yeah, you hit the nail on the head with what the errant human is, which I feel is a pretty cool option for a character background. The spellcasting system is really cool as well, and certainly allows for flexibility as you suggest.

  • @Turambar29

    @Turambar29

    4 жыл бұрын

    Narnia also comes to mind for errant human! My POD came in excellent quality!

  • @TheConfessor

    @TheConfessor

    4 жыл бұрын

    Narnia and Guardians of the Flame were definitely influences!

  • @richmcgee434

    @richmcgee434

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TheConfessor Always been vaguely surprised that Guardians of the Flame hasn't had an RPG or at least a setting book, but after his untimely death and the series left unfinished it doesn't seem likely to happen. I certainly wouldn't want to be the one to bother his wife about getting a license, either - losing him so young and so suddenly must have been utterly horrible for her.

  • @Turambar29

    @Turambar29

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TheConfessor I've never heard of guardians. I'll have to check it out! Thanks for the amazing books, I'm a KS backer.

  • @toddbutcher1784
    @toddbutcher17844 жыл бұрын

    This is really neat. I recently purchased Adventures in Middle-Earth for 5E hoping to run a more low fantasy game soon. I like this a bit more as it fits with my OSR sensibilities a bit more. I do hope some monster conversion or even just some advice is produced by the author.

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    4 жыл бұрын

    I AGREE 100% I have a tone of AIME stuff, but I now think I'd rather do this one. Conversion isn't that hard if you're familiar with OSR games. Just consider the Despair rating as the monsters CR and you've got it.

  • @toddbutcher1784

    @toddbutcher1784

    4 жыл бұрын

    Oh cool. I didn't consider that. Thanks!

  • @TheConfessor

    @TheConfessor

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@toddbutcher1784 I worked on AiME too, so I'm glad you like both it and THJ!

  • @toddbutcher1784

    @toddbutcher1784

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TheConfessor Wow! Nice! I love the journey and downtime stuff in AIME. Thinking about combining them with this.

  • @TheConfessor

    @TheConfessor

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@toddbutcher1784 What's funny is that my primary contributions to AiME came from material converted to it from The One Ring RPG. Most of my work there was in writing geographical fluff and a few descriptions for some of the Cultures. I did almost no actual rules work on AIME or TOR - except for a few monsters and hazards.

  • @michaelhill6453
    @michaelhill64533 жыл бұрын

    This game was based on S&W White Box rather than Swords and Wizardry. Good review.

  • @frankm6546
    @frankm6546 Жыл бұрын

    I’m new to ttrpgs and have only played a few games of 5e. With the ogl stuff I just bought the pathfinder 2e beginner box, but someone recommended this game to me too and your video is super interesting. As a baby GM and new ttrpger, do you think this game is too advanced for me?

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    Жыл бұрын

    No, the game mechanics are super easy and simple. Very easy to learn and play, the only question is, is this style of game apealing to you? If it is, then go for it!

  • @frankm6546

    @frankm6546

    Жыл бұрын

    @@captcorajus I don’t really know I haven’t played enough to know! I will say that whenever I get excited about rpgs it’s to play in a world of epic fantasy like Narnia or Middle Earth, and the flavor just sounds so good with this.

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    Жыл бұрын

    @@frankm6546 The good news this isn't an expensive game to purchase. At the very least its interesting to read! I say go for it.

  • @Leftylives
    @Leftylives4 жыл бұрын

    That's a cool idea with the spells. What if you wanted to create new spells though? It would be hard to match the other spells it seems due to the poetic nature of them.. I would assume different creatures would have completely different spells related to their "Lineage" For example, a goblin casting prim and proper made for humans spells would seem off.

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    4 жыл бұрын

    They'd work essentiall the same, but they'd have gobliny evil names. :)n

  • @TheConfessor

    @TheConfessor

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@captcorajus Instead of "Stand Against the Adversary," you call it "Bring the Wretched to their Knees." "Blazing Bolt of Certainty" could be "Inevitable Doom of the Foolish Foe," etc, etc, etc.

  • @Leftylives

    @Leftylives

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TheConfessor What about creating new homebrew spells? I'm a fan of creativity.

  • @TheConfessor

    @TheConfessor

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Leftylives Do what I did! Make 'em up! Spells are designed around a unified theme and given a title as such, then given three effects. I wrote the game, sure - but its your players and your table.

  • @Leftylives

    @Leftylives

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TheConfessor Here is a funny spell I made for fun for 5e. It's a social distancing spell, HAHA! www.dandwiki.com/wiki/6_Feet_Back,_ALRIGHT!_(Social_Distancing)_(5e_Spell)

  • @jh1859
    @jh18593 жыл бұрын

    Can't beat that Disney-school of illustration, eh?

  • @lastsonofkrypton3918
    @lastsonofkrypton39183 жыл бұрын

    Looks terrific but I feel the price is prohibitive.

  • @michaelhill6453
    @michaelhill64533 жыл бұрын

    It's a good take on the LotR style. The artwork is magnificent. Character attributes play almost no part which is a disappointment.

  • @TheConfessor

    @TheConfessor

    3 жыл бұрын

    Admittedly, unless you make regular use of ability checks the actual Attributes play little role in the game, with the modifiers taking center stage. Might has an impact on encumbrance and Attributes (and in turn the modifiers) can increase as you level and through the discovery of heirlooms - but it is a totally fair criticism.

  • @michaelhill6453

    @michaelhill6453

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@TheConfessor Thanks for the feedback James.

  • @patrickbarnes9874
    @patrickbarnes98743 жыл бұрын

    I was enticed into getting this for the same reasons mentioned at the beginning of this review. Its point of view and emphasis on heroic myth really drew me in. Unfortunately, I wasn't as impressed with the game's mechanics as the reviewer in this video was. I found it to be a tweaked D&D with some of the names changed. The game mechanics don't support the mythic journey style of play that the game promises. The mechanics are little different than any other kick the door down and loot all the stuff inside D&D clone. I give the game concept and ideas a 5/5, but can't give the game mechanics more than a 2/5. I was very disappointed that the game rules didn't support the grand concept.

  • @captainnolan5062
    @captainnolan50624 жыл бұрын

    Much of the game comes from Swords and Wizardry white box. It is not what I would call "entirely the creation of James M. Spahn," as you say at 1:50. I also disagree with your assessment of the value. Perhaps your receipt of the game for free colored your rating here. If you had laid out $39.99 plus tax and shipping for the hardcover, and another $24.99 for the companion ($64.98 plus tax and shipping, for two smallish books) you might not rate it so highly in the value category. All of the material could have been put into the Hero's Journey book, and that would definitely have made it a better value.

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    4 жыл бұрын

    Maybe you're new to the channel? My evaluation of value had nothing to do with my being GIVEN the rulesbook. I suggest that given the digest size of the rules that the soft cover is the better choice. So $34.99. My Value evaluation comes from comparison to the cost of other games, and what THJ brings to the table in regards to innovation. and the fact its a complete game. Further, while the game originally began as a deviation of Swords and Wizardry, in its current form its essentially a whole different game.

  • @sunsin1592
    @sunsin15924 жыл бұрын

    Adding "modern mechanics" is never an improvement. Easy pass on this one but thanks for the review.

  • @captcorajus

    @captcorajus

    4 жыл бұрын

    You're welcome!!

  • @matthewkirkhart2401

    @matthewkirkhart2401

    4 жыл бұрын

    That’s unfortunate, this is one of the best OSRs out there, especially in terms of bringing something new to the table. It’s really a wonderful game.

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