After popular request, here is the download the 4-station Twister Coaster near the end: drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/18TMVio5BnPocmXSLO-BdoyRc8n7NvyfZ For those of you curious: An art-deco food stall in a maze trap with 9600 guests (the vanilla guest limit) can make about €135k per hour if you charge €4.10 for the noodles and €4.40 for the lemonade. Not a ride so it doesn't count and it also won't allow for any other rides in the park to make any money, but it's still very high and outperforms the the single-station vertical drop coaster.

@michaelmoses8745

9 ай бұрын

Good information to have.

@Hanmacx

9 ай бұрын

I would like you to review other Rollercoaster games like Parkitect

@ThemightyGTFHercules

9 ай бұрын

Got any grapes?

@JuniorDjjrMixMods

9 ай бұрын

This 4-station Twister Coaster is perfect. Not only very profitable, but also beautiful, iconic and realistic.

@TheExileFox

9 ай бұрын

Maybe the vertical drop coaster would perform better if you did build it so that the trains go downhill instead of uphill for the loops.

I like how we've resorted to simply scamming the guests by charging them $20 a pop and immediately kicking them off the ride. They love it.

@kizmetmars

9 ай бұрын

This is dark but, on brand: The secret sauce is making them wish they were dead.

@lilwyvern4

9 ай бұрын

That's just capitalism in a nutshell.

@will4486

8 ай бұрын

Considering how fast a year goes in the game, 20seconds is actually an incredibly long ride

@huyphan7825

4 ай бұрын

Most intelligent Disneyland guest

@TheMongooseOfDoom

Ай бұрын

Yeah, that, but also, he is murdering all the guests after riding the coaster at 10:00, which puts that evil a bit into perspective.

I sat down, all excited and ready to go for a ride on the monorail. All of a sudden, time stopped around me. After a brief moment of complete tranquility in time and space, I found myself outside of the exit again. Despite the crowded queueline with no personal space and sweaty entertainers forcing me to smile, 10/10 experience. Worth the €20. - Park Review of Guest 437. Probably.

@dymaxion3988

9 ай бұрын

As for me… this is where I get off.

@dominicjannazo7144

9 ай бұрын

King Crimson has erased your ride experience

@johnfoltz8183

9 ай бұрын

Sorry, but the exit leads right into some water.

@beez1717

8 ай бұрын

That moment of complete tranquility is worth that 20.

@robertlupa8273

7 ай бұрын

@@dominicjannazo7144 That or Za Warudo moved you out of the ride during stopped time.

Marcel has more "Oh yeah, one more thing" moments than Columbo

@ViktorTheButcher

9 ай бұрын

''But wait, there's more.''

@AsdfAsdf-uo1rj

9 ай бұрын

This is such a good reference.

@garyella1301

9 ай бұрын

I dont mean to be a pest

@KumiChan2004

9 ай бұрын

Or uncle from Jackie Chan adventures. "One more thing."

@ziplocktheimpostor1402

9 ай бұрын

Hercule poirot: madi monsieur,, but is seems that his "" oh yea on more thing "" is i think based on his very long lasting rtc2 obsession and thus he couldnt be the serial theme park murderer.... 🤣

Hey Marcel. Something you didn't consider about the Maze. It gets increased stats for every single tile of maze in the ride (up to 100), so you can optimise the maze even further by having an inaccessible 99tile garden adjacent to your 1 tile maze.

@MarcelVos

9 ай бұрын

Oh of course, you're right. I completely forgot I could just make the rest inaccessible.

@jefffinkbonner9551

9 ай бұрын

The hedge fund is always greener on the other side.

@bobinator133

8 ай бұрын

what's the profit of that? don't really care whether it's secretly the most profitable ride just curious generally lol

@Arcanua

8 ай бұрын

Like another mentioned, what are the stats on that. xD

A constantly-moving queue is one of my most basic principles when I design a coaster. That coaster at 15:00 is pure art to me.

@rarapas

9 ай бұрын

Yeah! I really hoped Marcel would include a download of it in the description!

I like that while most ride designs of this sort naturally end up looking like grotesque abominations of nature designed purely for profit in a dystopian way, the coaster design at 14:53 actually looks both very elegant and practical at the same time. Nicely done!

@noahhuffstutler2686

9 ай бұрын

It does look like something you would see at 6 flags or something. I think, realistically, the trains would do a full circuit and would be launched synchronously.

@spyrois2cool

9 ай бұрын

It really does! I wanna download that design!

Imagine being a guest in that monorail queue and wondering why the line never seems to stop moving despite the train never going anywhere

Taking a moment to appriciate Marcel called his Enterprise flatride after the Federation Galaxy class ship from Star Trek TNG

@thenarstar

9 ай бұрын

And shortly after, gets beaten by some Flying Saucers :'-(

After the eternity coaster I'm not sure why I'm still surprised that Marcel goes above and beyond using mechanics I'd never think of to answer RCT questions, but I'm still impressed

I know you did a guide on the effect that a guests mood parameters have, but I'd like to see a guide on how guest actions affect their mood: how do rides affect their happiness/nausea? What increases and lowers tiredness and what have you.

@anonnymousperson

9 ай бұрын

good idea

There's something arcane about learning that the monorail somehow has the biggest profit potential in the game

@cranapple3367

9 ай бұрын

It's not at all bad for casual play either. It can achieve pretty high speeds if designed for it, and hence decent stats, and the Disney-style cars have totally insane throughput. It's by far the best of the transport rides provided you don't have a massive height diff between stations.

@lunar532

Ай бұрын

a bona fide electrified monorail! now with extra profit

1:29 What do you mean "for some reason?" It's FLOWER POWER DUDE, LET'S GOOOOOOO

Every time Marcel says "Or is it?", take a drink.

@Synnystershy

9 ай бұрын

🥴🥴🥴

@jlinonis

9 ай бұрын

Bye liver it was nice knowing ya

>20jr geleden voor het laatst gespeeld. Dankzij KZread algoritme bij een van je filmpjes terecht gekomen. Afgelopen dagen bijna al je filmpjes bekeken, vandaag op de iPad de hele middag met mijn zoons pretparken gebouwd. Tijdloos spel, zit echt heel goed in elkaar.

@jasmijnariel

9 ай бұрын

Idd tijdloos. Ik speel het nog vaak, ook theme park world.

For the purposes of maximizing photo profit, maybe you could set up a mechanism that allows guests to ride a roller coaster at most twice. A ride with two stations, one of which can only be reached by riding the ride via the other.

@MarcelVos

9 ай бұрын

You can only generate about 4400 guests per hour, so you cannot sustain a 12000 (6000 per station) per hour throughput if the guests die after riding twice.

Never knew that the flowerpower bumperride would have that ridiculous high bonuses. But i think the answer lays in the 2nd last word of my first sentence.

I'm deep enough in the game to where little surprises me anymore, but you usually manage to blow my mind once at least per video. In this one, it was "guests dont buy a photo the first time they ride a ride."

@mats8985

9 ай бұрын

I think they didn't buy it because there is no path in the exit

@MarcelVos

9 ай бұрын

@@mats8985Nope, they still don't buy if there is a path.

9:51 Guests won't buy a photo because they know they're going to die.

So one of the best ways to make a profit is to trick the guests into riding a boring ride for 20 euros because it hasn't been tested yet

@DrunkenGlums

9 ай бұрын

Seems conceptually similar to pre-ordering games

I'll never get tired of seeing the Death Maze.

i think it would be interesting to know what ride is the fastest to pay itself off. I feel that might balance the tracked rides out a little, until you get into the micro coasters

@MoultrieGeek

9 ай бұрын

Good point, I know in RCT3 monster $$$ coasters seem to never recover their build costs until a decade in the future. In RCT2 though the guests actually ride them instead of "waiting for group".

@dragoslove

9 ай бұрын

Also rides that are optimal earlier on before you have massive numbers of visitors.

@MarcelVos

9 ай бұрын

The one tile death maze pays itself off with just 10 guests in OpenRCT2 and 4 in vanilla (this does assume scenery around it). The beheaded roto drop will pay itself off in 9 guests if you have no stats and charge 20.

Seeing the wonderfully colorful and vibrant parks you make is why you are one of my favorite channels. You're basically the king of RCT content.

That name of the Enterprise ride... good details Marcel, well played.

Recently I came across a weird situation in RCT2. I was trying to build a park causualy, but in away that it looks like it rests on top of a hill, like a high ground. So from the edge of the map, it takes one slope to reach the park gate, and from the gate, it take another slope to reach the playable area / owned area. When I start playing, I realised that the park was making profits, but not a single guest is able to reach the playable area, nor able to play on any ride. In stead, as soon as a guest pay the $60 entrance fee, the guest will drop into hell, just like the one tile maze that kills thousands. Dose this ever happened to anyone before?

@MarcelVos

9 ай бұрын

Yup, that's a glitch in the game and I've made a video about it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iquEytdqepDacag.html

Thanks for all your videos, I have played RCT2 for years and never realized how much I could charge and was able to beat scenarios so much faster with your tips. 🎉

Throughput is king!

I like how the Valve playtester maze can make so much money despite being a hallway people still get lost in.

What would be your strategy to build the most profitable park possible?

just wanted to say thanks for your videos marcel, i don't even play rct but your voice is so soothing i watch your videos to help fall asleep quite frequently!❤

Great video. So many results that subvert expectations, and you set them up nicely.

The maze is just a glorified path tile you charge money for lol.

I always run a free carousel at the entryway of every park I run. Not because it does anything all that useful, but I feel like everyone should be able to go on a carousel once in a while. I also like the music.

Hey, love your videos! Id love to see you tackle something like "most profitable ride per tile/area" to see what is in theory the most profitable ride to tile your park with!

6:04 I knew that Joel was onto something with the DON'T GET LOST design

Still hoping you'll make a list of 10+ excitement rollercoasters that are actual practical builds we can use in game.

I remember I had an issue when I was a kid playing where people were constantly paying a ton for some monorail I made and wouldn't go on any other rides I made (probably cause the stats sucked) and I had to get rid of it cause I wanted the guests to stop getting stuck on a loop of getting off the monorail and immediately wanting to get back on

@ 10:10 it has plenty trains... even 1 too much.... Sorry i'm also a Factorio fan! :-) i'd like to design my rides that with a full queue 1 train is boarding and 1 train is off boarding or in some cases, just arriving at the station. The puzzel in this for me is timing the block breaks of your ride to also keep the trains rolling down the track and only break in an emergency (to keep the realism a bit). This is why i love the new block break design (you can now set the speed).... setting the speed to the maximum make's it a "Track sensor" Queuing the next train to the next section (keeping in mind that when braked at that track piece it can still make it back to the station or.... just brake entirely. you can overshoot them when you go to fast....)

I mean as a kid I used to place down the kart track, make a massive mega race track, and just watch NPC's race. I don't have any use for this information, so here take it.

imagine the abject horror if someone gave him a real theme park.

Guests: I'm scared of the G forces! Also guests: -has no issues going into rides with extreme G forces that would turn them into nothing but a splatter of blood-

I'm more in awe of how many mascots you have working each queue lol

That launch free fall made me nervous just watching. Heavy cart and off the top XD

There's no way that "guests won't buy a photo the first time they ride" I'm guessing that your dropping guests through the map glitch skips the check for photo purchase since they aren't transitioning onto footpath as they exit

@MarcelVos

9 ай бұрын

Nope, adding footpath still sold zero photos.

@Putnam3145

9 ай бұрын

@@MarcelVos The actual reason is because guests have to have gone on a ride at least 3 times before buying an on-ride photo (line 1529 of entity/Guest.cpp in OpenRCT2), on-ride photos count as "souvenirs" here

If you wonder why guests are content with £20 and instant exit, remember Mr. Bones.

Maybe try the monorail trick with Splash boats, and a multi-minute ride time after the 4th station. You'll *start* with all your boats at station 1, sure, but while you run every boat through station 1, you'll also be able to run them through 2-3. Reset after the last boat leaves station 1 (or maybe after station 3, as that's when you drop back down to operating on a single station again). Not having trains at all 4 stations right after a reset just means you have ramp-up time, it doesn't completely kill increased profits. Or will you have stats calc'd after entering station 2? If train 1 needs to get back to station 1 for stats to calc...

Oohh! You're rolling the on-ride photo dice with Advantage!

When I looked up most profitable rides I didn’t expect to find MOST profitable rides video😂

Always a good day when a new MarcelVos video pops up !

@ 15:18 this design is simply brilliant

Me while watching Marcel's videos: Neat! I can't wait to use this info while I play the game myself Me while playing: Uuhhhh, I guess I build a merrygoround

16:25 What if the hypercoaster had actual good stats before the opening and closing sequence: wouldn't more guests want to ride it?

I didn't expect a monorail scam to be the answer

i dont that guest dont buy a ticket on their first ride. i think it behaves like the "its too crowded" thought, in that it only triggers the customer buying a photo after they have moved to the next tile (or path). but they cant because they immediately fall into the void and thus are not moving to the next tile (or path), not triggering the buy photo function.

"...This is because for very new rides the ride ticket prices are calculated a little bit different. How it exactly works is not important right now..." -> Proceeds to immediately explain in a extremely detailed manner how it exactly works anyway. LOL

According to the openrct2 code, there is no check for having ridden the ride before when buying a photo. I think it is some quirk related to the code for doing the check never running in the first place because of the instant transition to falling. My best interpretation is that "some part" of the low level guest position updating code is clearing out the set ride id just before the ride photo code fires, but I can't pinpoint it.

@henke37

9 ай бұрын

After having another look, it is as simple as guest not buying "souvenirs" until they've ridden at least three rides. Unless they have a voucher, but there is no voucher for ride photos.

@ruukinen

9 ай бұрын

@@henke37 This comment of yours needs more visibility. I haven't double checked your work but it at least makes more sense than it just magically being so.

7:56 Google says the ride name is "The Very Hungry Caterpillar" in Dutch, for the curious.

15:28 what if you made a vertical drop coaster that starts with a drop and has the lift at the end, that way you dont waste excess speed and the coaster spends way less time on a chainlift.

Ty for vid Lord Marcel!

The death maze is basically a toll gate

There should be an ongoing challenge to see the maximum you can make per hour on a scenario ( similar to a speedrun but more profit focused)

Umbrellas at $20 are the real money maker. You can easily do $5-6k in shop sales in a month when it rains with 1500ish guests

What if you make the entrance in the middle of the train length. So 50% will have to walk left and 50% have to walk to the right. Wouldnt this (slightly) increase the throughput? The peeps dont have to walk all the way towards the end of the train to enter.

What's the highest possible ticket price guests would be willing to pay for a ride if the limit of $20.00 didn't exist?

@fathertimejr

9 ай бұрын

Infinite? Or perhaps a limit like 25.50 (1-byte). It's a good question. I suggested adding the option to remove the limit on the OpenRCT2 Github a while back, met with little interest.

I wonder if Marcel has ever watched the Magnasanti Sim City video... It would certainly remind him of his parks!

I love the part about the photo section!

7:57 😂"Rupsje Nooitgenoeg"

impressive how far someone can push extreme stats, and I'm amazed not one guest died!

great love a new video!

Most profitable ride is the endless fall into the abyss after paying the entrance fee. Saves tons on not needing to hire works or to have actual rides in the park.

I see what you did there, Marcel "Got any grapes?"

Could you use the multi station monorail method by first testing a ride that gets stuck somewhere and never completes the track to stop the stats of other rides being calculated, and then open the monorail?

I wonder how this would change if it was per tile (e.g. scenery, ride tiles, entrance and exit) so you can figure out the max profit per tile. (aka €20 per hour on a 4 tile setup means €5 per hour per tile is on par with €50 per hour but 10 tiles so €5 per tile, and if a tile contributes to 2 rides that each do €5 per hour per tile, that tile is worth the same as one tile with €10 per hour per tile)

Very nice. What about a video with the best ways to make money in pay for entry parks?

I have a feeling the reason nobody was buying photos had something to do with them spawning in the void. If you put one tile at the exit, id bet you would sell some.

Got any grapes? Oh, the nostalgia Marcel, the nostalgia!

9:58 It appears that guests can only buy a on-ride photo if they can stand on solid path for one frame after going out the exit. So I believe here it's not that guests cannot buy a photo the first time they ride a ride, but that they cannot buy a photo if they are dropped into oblivion after the ride is over.

@MarcelVos

9 ай бұрын

I tested it with path too and they still didn't buy a photo.

@Putnam3145

9 ай бұрын

it's because they won't buy a souvenir (incl. on-ride photos) unless they've gone on at least 3 rides

A channel dedicated to complete analysis and breakdown charts of RC1/2 making profit and how to min/max. Meanwhile I'm just playing thinking: I like this whatever I'm buying thing, it'll look nice in my park.

So, what you're saying, Marcel, is that there's nothing on Earth like a genuine bona-fide electrified six-(full sized)-car monorail?

Is it actually more efficient to do separate load and unload stations on the splash boats so it can go up the main hill empty? It seems like it would be because it's so much faster empty but maybe I'm an idiot...

@MarcelVos

9 ай бұрын

As long as there is always a boat in the station for guests to board, the throughput will be maximized, and the one in this video did have that.

@keiyakins

9 ай бұрын

​@@MarcelVos oh, duh. Thanks for pointing out what I was missing!

@Easelgames

9 ай бұрын

"After having another look, it is as simple as guest not buying "souvenirs" until they've ridden at least three rides. Unless they have a voucher, but there is no voucher for ride photos." from henke37 @@MarcelVos

When you think of anything RCT1 and RCT2 related, You think of Marcel.

"Guest 1: I'm not paying that much for Monorail 1" Marcel: O 3:08 oh no not this again😅" Guest 1: I'm not paying 99.99$ For Monorail 1. "Marcel: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE3EEEEEEEEEEE! HULK SMASH. *Marcel: karate chops 89 benches in half and mangles 69 lamposts. Guest 1: "The vandalism here is bad. Marcel: "This path is disgusting. Guest 1: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! HULK MEGA SMASH! Karate chops 100 benches and mangles. 100 lamposts* Marcel: The vandalism here is bad.

What if you made a 4 station coaster with actually good stats (enough to get $20 per ticket), and then did the cancelling strategy once the stats had been generated?

Maximum throughput vs sustained throughput. Personally I think the latter is more important for these discussions since that's what's going to matter when you're playing the game.

@Templarfreak

9 ай бұрын

they were talking about sustained throughput in the video. they even explicitly mention how the refresh trick doesnt work for coasters because they cant get any sustainable throughout due to the G force calculations, even though in theory the maximum throughput would be absurdly high.

It would be interesting to see the most profitable ride based on revenue/ride cost, although I have a feeling it might end up the same.

I like how you just casually drop the knowledge that guests won't buy a photo on their first ride. I think you're the first person to ever notice that.

@randomlinuxuser

9 ай бұрын

I think it's more how he was disposing of the guests: because they weren't traveling to another tile (they were traveling to the void), the game wasn't calculating the chance of them buying the photo.

What about a maze that is hundreds of tiles big but with only one reachable tile due to the path layout?

golly marcel I just can't imagine why the guests would be afraid of g forces 😂

Nice Easter egg with the Enterprise name at the beginning

Oh I used to play this game so much! I can still hear that women that says "dun-ken-dun" sometimes! (or at least this is what it sounds like to me lol)

Wonderful video as always. But the real question is...what if we throw the price manager plugin into the mix? That actually lets prices go over $20 if the stats are high enough. I've always wondered how high you could make the price with it and how high profits could be with designs made to take advantage of that plugin.

@weatherby2378

9 ай бұрын

Does this plugin increase the amount of money the guests spawn with? If not, that would be a limiting factor imho.

@spyrois2cool

9 ай бұрын

@@weatherby2378 No, but that is what custom scenarios are for. You can create a custom scenario where guests spawn with 1000 bucks. I have one myself where they spawn with 151 dollars. From the rides I’ve seen so far, the highest price I think I’ve seen is 26-27 dollars, so I don’t think it would be as limiting as you would think, considering scenarios have them spawning with 50-80 bucks usually.

@weatherby2378

9 ай бұрын

@@spyrois2cool Ah, I forgot about those.

I am once again here to call you a very mad lad.

Marcel Vos the Boss!

@MarcelVos I'd love a download link of the four station ride at the 15:00 mark! :D Thank you for your awesome videos!

20 dollars for a freaking umbrella in maps where it rains frequently is also a good money maker. Lol

16:06 Stations ARE block brakes, so what about having 4 stations, but using the 4th one as an exit-only station? That would still give you 3 stations that spawn trains. 3 stations with 100% chance of guests entering the queue should be better than 4 stations with 10% chance to enter the queue.

10:00 i like the testing method i assume you did the thing where they disappear through the bottom of the map. You buried thousands of people in the void to sell photographs.

Always excited to hear how profitable 9593 Francis McGowens are

Can we have a link to the twister coaster you built with 4 stations?

got any grapes? seriously though, fun video.