What is the GREAT ATTRACTOR? Will It Absorb us? What's DARK FLOW?
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 Motion is relative
2:35 Gravity's influence
4:59 How we theorized the Great Attractor
8:20 How we solved the mystery of Great Attractor
10:00 Great attractor is also being attracted!
12:19 Will we be absorbed or destroyed?
13:44 What is Dark Flow?
14:55 What is the fate of humanity?
SOURCES:
Nature Video: tinyurl.com/26eurqup (many thanks!)
Great Attractor: tinyurl.com/26twjurf
Galaxies: tinyurl.com/23q9dbze
CMB Dipole: tinyurl.com/285ktfop
ROSAT paper: tinyurl.com/227eljr4
Shapley supercluster: tinyurl.com/24l92vtu
Cosmic filaments: tinyurl.com/ydh9owgk
Dark Flow: tinyurl.com/2dx7lu2l
Virgo supercluster: tinyurl.com/2yy3zdyp
Laniakea supercluster: tinyurl.com/27ad2atn
Dark Flow paper: arxiv.org/abs/0809.3734
Will Great Attractor destroy us? tinyurl.com/2abgk96m
SUMMARY:
Our Milky way galaxy is not stationary. It’s attracted by a massive object in space called the great attractor, at more than 600 km/s. What is this great attractor? Will it destroy us? And, what is Dark Flow?
Our galaxy is part of more than a million galaxies in the Virgo super cluster, stretching 100 million light years. The gravity of all the mass in this super cluster keeps it together. Until recently, we thought our Milky Way galaxy was the entire universe. Edwin Hubble found out otherwise in 1923 (18th century French astronomer Charles Messier discovered the first galaxies, but he didn’t know it at the time).
Over time, gravity has caused these galaxies and clusters to group into large web like structures containing visible matter and huge voids. In the 1970’s we found evidence that these galaxies are moving through space. Initially scientists thought we were moving towards the constellation of Centaurus.
In the 1980’s we discovered that we abd 400 other galaxies were moving towards something, not quite towards Centaurus. That something was named the “Great Attractor.” It was calculated that it must have a mass of more than 10 million billion suns.
More evidence for the attraction comes from the cosmic microwave background (CMB). The light from the CMB is distorted due to a doppler effect, as seen in the CMB dipole. This allowed us to locate the source of the great attractor. But we couldn't see what was there because it was obscured by the dust and matter of the Milky Way. But radio, infrared, and X rays can penetrate through the obstruction. Scientists found a rich cluster of galaxies in the center of the great attractor, called the Norma cluster.
But this Norma did not have enough mass to explain the movement. Something bigger was also attracting the great attractor along with our galaxy - a giant cluster of 8000 galaxies called the Shapley Supercluster or Shapley concentration.
This supercluster was discovered American astronomer Harlow Shapley in the 1930s. It's 650 million light years away and has a mass 4 times that of the great attractor. it is the most massive structure within a billion light-years from us.
The CIZA project found that the Shapley concentration is the main source of our galaxy’s and the local group of galaxies’ movement. But there is another piece to the puzzle. In 2016, the team found that the Vela supercluster explains the final 10% of our movement.
Will our galaxy eventually all be absorbed in the great attractor or the Shapley cluster? No, because spacetime is expanding faster than our velocity towards these attractors due to Dark Energy.
DARK FLOW: The overall expansion of the universe is uniform, but cosmologists found an anomaly. Many galaxies might be moving in a preferred direction. This is called “dark flow” because it’s unexplained.
Some wild theories speculate that something massive might lie just outside the the visible universe, or it could be caused by a catastrophe in the early universe, setting up a motion that took billions of years to develop. But it's more likely just a mistake in the data. Evidence indicates Dark Flow is probably not real.
#greatattractor
#darkflow
Are we in danger? No. Any movement due to Dark flow and the Great Attractor are nothing to worry about. These movements so slow and the effect so tiny that it’s not going to make any difference to us or even our solar system.
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I have a background in CFD (computational fluid dynamics) and when I see these patterns, I immediately think of the surface of a slow moving river where these patterns are the effect of undercurrents. When I see rotation curves of most spiral galaxies, I immediately think of micro eddies also as a consequence of a flow field with a Reynolds’s number of 4000 or so. If you look at DNS (direct numerical simulations) where the flow field is resolved to the theoretically smallest eddy scales, this is exactly the same pattern that you see. Dark energy fits well in a great river model as well where you get non uniform accelerating expansion due to a dynamic free surface. The only thing left to accommodate is the Big Bang, the supposed beginning of everything. But what if it’s not the beginning of everything but only the beginning of what we can see? A big splash in this great river would fit nicely because it would result in the the highly energetic yet super low entropy signature as seen in the CMB. Maybe we could collaborate on a KZread video, Arvin.
@ArvinAsh
2 жыл бұрын
That's very interesting.
@louislesch3878
2 жыл бұрын
10’ long
@TristanCleveland
2 жыл бұрын
@@louislesch3878 You might be able to find a collaborator at the Summer of Math #2, just announced, which is aimed at pairing subject-matter experts with communicators. I would definitely watch this video and hope you will produce it.
@anatomicallymodernhuman5175
2 жыл бұрын
But rivers flow in channels. What channels the matter in space? Gravity tends to pull matter into balls, not filaments.
@ornessarhithfaeron3576
2 жыл бұрын
IIRC professor N. K. Spyrou and K. Kleidis from Physics, AUTh, Greece made a paper DOING something similar but also with thermodynamics
Top notch presentation,. As someone who has been in the sciences for decades, I appreciate the quality of information. Clear presentation is not to be confused with dumbing down.it’s refreshing to have this type of quality. One caveat: ‘Might’ not impact us. This assumes that these speeds are constant.
"You can still sleep sound at night." It actually took me 4 tries to see this video end-to-end without falling asleep. The non-urgent food for thought, combined with the calming voice does an excellent job at helping me disconnect for the night.
@ArvinAsh
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that. I'm trying to solve the world's insomnia problem.
@madangopalbhardwaj
Жыл бұрын
His videos are my lullabies too 😂
@Reyajh
Жыл бұрын
Well we can still sleep sound at night for at least another billion years. After that tho, we need to start worrying about the big rip, but really the sooner we start to solve these issues the better! :P😆
Now my brain is being pulled apart while I process all of this and the Great Attractor is now the refrigerator summoning me towards it to retrieve a frosty pint to finish my contemplation! Thank you so much for another brilliant presentation!
@bokiNYC
2 жыл бұрын
😂😂👍
@ArvinAsh
2 жыл бұрын
I'll drink to that!
@WriterCut
Жыл бұрын
@@ArvinAsh But here comes my doubt. How do they calculate the movement of our galaxy towards the great attractor if our space is expanding at higher rate than the attraction itself. How can we understand our galaxies movement towards great attractor. I mean movements are the key right.. i dont undertand . Please if you can reply please help.
I never really understood the great attractor and the expansion of the universe. I mean I understood roughly the concept, but you brought it to another level. Great video and thank you for the education lesson.
@stant7122
2 жыл бұрын
Since the current speed of the expansion of the universe is greater than the speed at which the Milky Way is moving towards the great attractor, I think that means from an outside perspective, we speeding away from the great attractor and towards nothing but empty new space. Or I guess we are speeding towards great attractor but great attractor relative to our position is speeding away from us faster than we could ever hope to catch up.
@duncanvantongeren4646
2 жыл бұрын
The staggering gullibility… Space is fake as fuck. 2nd law of thermodynamics, anyone?!?
@tylermcnally8232
2 жыл бұрын
@@duncanvantongeren4646 source?
@dria7387
2 жыл бұрын
Great attractor is one of Ultimecia's HP attacks in Dissisdia Final Fantasy ☕
@duncanvantongeren4646
2 жыл бұрын
@@tylermcnally8232 You cannot have pressurized system next to a vacuum without a barrier. The force of 'gravity' is not going to be of help since the weak vacuum of your lungs on the earth surface can already make you drink with a straw, so forget about a weaker gravity doing anything against the 'pull' of a enormous supposed space vacuum. This is a contradiction, so a 'space vacuum' cannot exist above our (existing) atmosphere. Problem with our education is that we trust our teachers and we don't have enough time to think about and test what we learn. Hence we get deceived...
The idea of a larger mass outside the visible universe, causing expansion (dark energy) is an intriguing idea!
fun fact: If you Shazam the song at the very end of this vid at 15:40 you will find its called "When You Are Crying by Norene Murdock" yet if you search the entire internet, you won't find one playable or downloadable file or stream of it, apart from a 30 second clip from a weird place called chartoo. great vid. btw.
@TheSwiftFalcon
2 жыл бұрын
Is it this one? kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZGuTycWlqJqvnZM.html
Arvinash you are the great Online teacher i have ever seen in my life . I NEVER imagined that i will ever be able to understand these complex Topics in that simplified way... Hats of Arvin . Love from India.🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Good stuff sir. Got a bunch of my required science fix here. Have a son who, when he was 15, declared himself to be the Great Attractor. He had just learnt about it in school. Ha, ha, funny son. Problem with that is the great attractor is way older than you and way more massive. Without missing a step, he walked up to me, patted my belly, called me Sir TGA, and ran out the door. I expected nothing less. Between ourselves, I was Sir TGA, and he was Mr. U. Every kiss begins with "K," but ugly starts with "U" son.
Thanks Arvin & The Team, you're all great.
Excellent video. Very interesting, informative and worthwhile video. Many thanks for the links to the papers.
The scale of our universe is mind boggling...I can't describe the feeling I get when I ponder such scales of size....small? Miniscule?
WHAT A VIDEO MAN ! HAT'S OFF TO ARVIN SIR.. IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING NEEDED
Thanks once more for explaining this topics with such clarity
Another great one. Thank you.
The way you explain the concept is incredible.
I’ve been interested in the subject for quite a while and this was the best description that I’ve seen. Thank you.
@ManiBalajiC
2 жыл бұрын
SEA did a great job on this concept with a good visualization...
channels like Arvin Ash, the versetarium and star talk have taught me more about theoretical physics than i would have learnt in a school and this inspires me to want to keep learning more about the universe.
Excellent content. Excellent presentation. You are at the top of your game!
Astronomy and physics are so interesting that even knowing that there are things we don't know is fascinating.
Amazing video as always - keep it up
Another great video, thanks for making them.
This cosmic content is truly top shelf! Your explanations and detail very well presented. Mahalo!
One of my favorites from you and I've watched dozens of your videos so happily. So so so interesting! Thanks Arvin!
Arvin is the school teacher that the kids actually liked
@Jack-gn4gl
Жыл бұрын
Kids would like going to school if all teachers were like him
Please make video on James Webb telescope.. 👍
@ArvinAsh
2 жыл бұрын
That's coming soon! probably 2 videos from now. Stay tuned.
@SuhailSyed_Ibn_Patcha
2 жыл бұрын
Heard that the first image captured by JWT will be sent back on July 12, wow!! Eagerly waiting to see how humanity will actually experience the cosmos!
@AndreaZzzXXX
2 жыл бұрын
@@ArvinAsh great !
You are the best! Thank you for making physics and astrophysics so accessible!
Another wonderful video from Arvin Ash. I love them!
Superb presentation...how can someone explain these complex terms so easily. This is awesome.
Great update, thank you for pulling it all together! :):):)
@MendTheWorld
2 жыл бұрын
So would you say that Arvin Ash and his videos are a great attractor for you?
Thank you once again for the beautiful presentation.
One of the best videos yet! Thank you!
I was holding my breath while watching this!! ..wow
Great vid. Fascinating stuff. Thumbs up and subscribed.
My favorite theory involving dark flow is, There is another universe, outside of our own. At one point we thought that all the bright objects were suns/stars. Then we discovered that they included galaxies. Since then we have found Sagan Units of galaxies, you know, "billions and billions". So why can't there be a universe, out there, in fact Sagan units of universes, just beyond our ability to detect. More massive than our universe. Not strings or dimension, just more rocks on rocks, just like our universe with the same laws of nature. A lot more fun to consider, without all the elegant math getting in the way.
@ArvinAsh
Жыл бұрын
Dark flow is probably not real, just a mistake in the data.
Thank you Arvin, wonderfully explained.
This video earned a sub.I came in not expecting to learn much and left wanting to learn more. That is perfect. Thank you for making this
@ArvinAsh
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
Thank you for another great video! Arvin, you are wonderful!
Excellent, very clear, concise and complete. Thank you so much.
Thanks for the explanation of the CMB dipole. I had curiosities on that for awhile now but this definitely makes sense.
Great video. I learn something new everytime I watch your channel. One note: “Begs the question” doesn’t mean “raises the question” as you used it. It means that the answer assumes the very point being raised by the question.
@reesetorwad8346
2 жыл бұрын
No.
@edimbukvarevic90
2 жыл бұрын
In classical rhetoric and logic, begging the question or assuming the conclusion (Latin: petitio principii) is an informal fallacy that occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. For example, the statement "Green is the best color because it is the greenest of all colors" claims that the color green is the best because it is the greenest - which it presupposes is the best. It is a type of circular reasoning: an argument that requires that the desired conclusion be true. This often occurs in an indirect way such that the fallacy's presence is hidden, or at least not easily apparent. In modern vernacular usage, however, begging the question is often used to mean "raising the question" or "suggesting the question". Sometimes it is confused with "dodging the question", an attempt to avoid it, or perhaps more often begging the question means simply leaving the question unanswered. The phrase begging the question originated in the 16th century as a mistranslation of the Latin petitio principii, which in turn was a mistranslation of the Greek for "assuming the conclusion".
Never a boring Arvin Ash video. Heck, never even a boring minute in an Arvin Ash video. Very well done. Looking forward to your next video, my friend.
Arvin ... you are doing an AMAZING & WONDERFUL work 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌 Thankyou so much ... my days are much more meaning with your videos. Big hug from Sao Paulo-Brazil.
Great educational video sir. Really enjoyed this and learned about the new superclusters.
Another great video as usual Arvin, thank you!
@ArvinAsh
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
My favorite space channel. Love your arvin ash
Thank goodness, our lives are so short, that we don't have to worry about collision with any other galaxy or large objects!
Thank you for the great explanation. You are perfectly gifted to be a great teacher
Great Arvin !!! Thankyou!!!!
very well put together! this is one of my favourite channels on KZread. ^_^
This was truly an excellent explanation of a subject that I am not "educated" in but is stimulating. I appreciate the condensed approach to share complex information. I understand that is a documentary mode of theory based on the presenters facts - as always great.
Great content. 😁 lookin forward to the next.
Thanks for the great content as always
I was waiting for your thoughts on this topic for a long time.
Thank you Arvin Ash for the beautiful program. As always you explained a hard subject in a way that is easily understandable. You did not leave anything out so all of the questions were answered at the conclusion of the program.
@jimbuono2404
2 жыл бұрын
Not really. Are you and I moving farther apart? Is the moon moving farther from the earth? The earth from the sun? The answer is 'no'. The local effects of gravity maintain the distance between objects in their local gravitational field. You are not expanding outwards in all directions.
Excellent. The best clear science on KZread.
Thanks for providing some numbers and detail. More detail the better.
Great video!! I always wonder about the great attractor.
I'm so relieved! This was such a cliffhanger but now I know we will be safe 😁✔️👍
Your method of story telling gave me the shivers and made my brain tingles
great video. well explained. thank you
This channel is my go-to place for expanding my consciousness - who needs psychedelics when we have this to ponder.
@ArvinAsh
Жыл бұрын
I agree. Who needs drugs, when we can just ponder the wonder of reality!
I can't sleep calmly after those videos, every time i watch videos like this i get a existencial crisis because of the short time we are alive and how much we will miss. Great video however and that's the reason i watch those kind of videos anyway.
I wish I could upvote this more than once. Thank you!
Mind blown yet again. Thanks for another amazing video~ :p
WoW!!! That was mind-blowing and mind-boggling
I love that you answered my question about the great attractor and the expansion of the universe before I could ask it. If I may ask I’ll ask a fringe question. Could this be a primordial black hole that is using galaxies like yo-yo’s?
Love this Arvin thank you
Great as always
Hello Mr.Arvin, as always phenomenal video. I recently came across the topic of great attractor and your video just came at perfect time! Also I would like to suggest the video of SEA on this very topic. I am sure you will really like it.
Love your video my friend ... clear explanation of very complicated phenomena ...even for those who do not use English perfectly .. like me hh ...
Excellent material, as usual!
This was interesting. Ty for the video. : )
Great video!
Great informative content 👍 you seems such a nice person friend 👏🏻
I'm always spaced out on how far into the universe we can already detect and speculate despite the massive distances... 😵❤️
Wonderful presentation. Thank you.
انت الافضل دائما ، رائع و عظيم كالعادة شكرا لمجهودك و معلوماتك
I really appreciate the way you end this. I am utterly fascinated with pretty much everything you covered (and explained so well!) yet at the same time I find myself terrified by it all. Like, I can't wrap my brain around the expansion of the Universe and Space-Time itself, because then I wonder why don't we observe this as each second of time goes on, if it's increasing at an ever faster rate? And when would it stop? Would it ever? Would matter itself expand? How far does this behavior of the cosmos go exactly? Just crazy stuff...
@blokin5039
Жыл бұрын
Did you already figure it out?
I learnt something new today. Very well presented! Of course, I do understand, our attempts to make more sense of our universe is mostly based on prevailing knowledge that we have accumulated so far. So, this may or may not be relevant in future when we are able to unravel the mystery of dark energy and likes of it, which perhaps we still aren't aware of, as yet. Nevertheless, learning something new is so exciting :) Keep them coming!!
@jettmthebluedragon
2 жыл бұрын
We say dark energy is the dominant force however it could be as he said the milkey way is moving and the earths rotation is moving as well and according to the observer that could lead to a optical illusion 😐also how can the entire cosmos only be 14 billion years old ?😐it does not make since 😓
Thank you for another video sir
love these videos !!!
Good video. Thanks for sharing
Thanks, i learnt a lot!
Wow. Thanks for this!
Great presentation. Thank you
Yet another video where Arvin knocks it out of the ballpark. Up until 12:40 I'd been getting fidgety wondering "how does this square with hubbles observed expansion?" I should have known Arvin wouldn't leave something as important as that unanswered. Thanks agian my friend, looking forward to your next video o7
I like you, Arvin! You didn't bore me or hit me with too much math for my BA/History to handle.
Very interesting and intelligible-the logical extrapolation would seem to be that all matter agglomerates to ever-denser units, until everything disappears into ultra-super-massive "black holes""-(which maybe then explode at "absolute maximum" temperature & pressure, restarting the whole cycle?)
Excellent video so well presented too 👌🏼
@ArvinAsh
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
very well made video
nice final thought :)
Well done. Thanks.
Very interestin video. Thank you.
Love your videos❤️
I always enjoy your videos.
If there is a great attractor pulling timespace in, then it stands to reason that _our perception of time feels like is flowing faster as well each and every day that goes on._ *So this is why the older we get, the faster time seems to fly. Huh . . .*
@sudarshanbadoni6643
2 жыл бұрын
Many many thanks for your endeavors to connect time and life is great and amazing curiosity and intellect you possess. Yet there is another perspective that states that a child and whynot a Scientist are less disordered or entropic and peaks of disorders are prime youth so old minds are more bodily concerned but those serving selflessly are ever young active alive and aimful experience often something called timelessness. Thanks
@DFPercush
2 жыл бұрын
As you age, a day or a year is less of a percent of your total life than it was when you were young, so it kind of gets lost in the mix, as it were. It's how perception works, we don't see absolute differences, but proportions relative to the total.
@antonystringfellow5152
2 жыл бұрын
Regardless of how fast you're travelling, you will experience no change in time. You can never experience a change in the rate of time as time is only relative. Time and speed are relative.
@monkmichel9477
2 жыл бұрын
I always found the memory explanation acceptable, how we only remember certain "critical" events and most of them happened when we were young and they all happened in a relatively short timeframe. The older we get the less memories get saved because the important ones are all already in the library and there is just not much new to add besides a few things like having kids and death of relatives/friends, so the time between those events is heavily shifted towards our youth and time simply goes by the older we get without much of it getting saved to memory. When you look back you remember the important ones and ask yourself where all the time has gone between them and now, because you cant recall much of it, but it happened.
@jettmthebluedragon
2 жыл бұрын
That could explain why we think the universe is expanding 😐as well 😐now it all makes since now 😐
I can't sleep at night because I'm worried about what's going to happen to us five billion years from now.
@MendTheWorld
2 жыл бұрын
Try taking some Dramamine. It might help you sleep. I needed to take some because after watching Arvin’s video I began experiencing motion sickness from hurtling through the universe.
amazing video💗
Amazing!