Ian your a national treasure. please don't ever give up this channel.

@johnnydoe7846

3 жыл бұрын

We shall defend this channel, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.

5,000,000 weapons destroyed? *shudders in disgust*

@karbonpanzer

7 жыл бұрын

RebSike Kids in Africa could have eaten those guns

@RebSike

7 жыл бұрын

Scott Duck Mausers are part of a balanced breakfast

@jeanpaulfrazier7151

7 жыл бұрын

RebSike ,, it will happen in the U.S. if we let it

@myramadd6651

7 жыл бұрын

I agree. Sickening. #wemissthekaiser

@myramadd6651

7 жыл бұрын

We won't let it.

Interesting. Thanks, Ian. I've always wondered about that 1920 1920 Luger that I lost in a boating accident last year.

My great great grandfather owned a P08 during this time and hid it from the government. When the nazis rose to power and he escaped to Britain, he brought it with him. I now have this pistol, and it has a 1918 stamp on it.

Thanks, Ian! For years I've had a Luger stamped 1918/1920 that has baffled me. Good to know.

Awesome video! I have a 1917 Erfurt Luger with a 1920 date stamp on it. The barrel is also waffenamt marked. Great pieces of history!

I'm lucky enough to have a 1918 Luger and a Winchester 1917 Enfield that my great grandfather brought back

I actually really like these side stories that don't directly involve a single gun. Please continue these asides!

I can only imagine how such insight brought to light (through such a video) can increase the value of these guns, now that I *damn want that Luger.*

Another reason for the stamping is that they discovered that some of the turned in guns had been turned in several times, that is, turned in, stolen (or "misplaced"), turned in again, stolen once again, and turned it a 3rd time.

Just learned about the IACC tonight and found your video. Thanks for the history lesson! Great context.

Like it? Love it! You could talk about a shoe and make it interesting. Also glad that you acquired one that was NOT in straight collector condition. Removed the pain/guilt of getting out and shooting it!

the interwar era germany is fascinating, should be taught more in history classes too

@caryk3028

4 жыл бұрын

this is the class

@toolthoughts

4 жыл бұрын

@@caryk3028 hear hear

Never knew about this, very interesting Ian!

The reason the Versailles Treaty wasn't heavily enforced was twofold: first, the League of Nations was a very ineffective and largely powerless body which didn't have the enforcement mechanisms to actually carry out the tasks it was ostensibly created for; and second, with the collapse of Imperial Russia and the emergence of the Soviet Union, the West saw the potential of a weak Germany being prime soil for a Communist foundation spreading into Central and Western Europe and therefor didn't want to weaken Germany too much (Britain and to a lesser extent France hoped to use Germany as a bulwark against the eastern spread of Communism).

it's why i love Forgotten Weapons i get all the history,Thanks Ian.

Cool! My friend just inherited a (from what I can tell) war production C-96 with a 1920 stamp on it that was a real head scratcher. Thanks, Ian! And thanks, magic youtube algorithm that decided this video fit my search, even though it didn't contain any of the actual words I searched for!

YOU CANT TRIPLE STAMP A DOUBLE STAMP!!

@hoofed

7 жыл бұрын

LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA

I have a nice all matching Mauser C96 "Red 9" with the 1920 property mark, knew some about what it meant but this is a good explanation. It has a circumscribed "s" below the date which I have seen on several other examples but cant find any info on what the s might mean. Any ideas? Thanks for the great video as always

Second date? I can't even get a _first_ Badum tssss

@edward569

7 жыл бұрын

TheGoldenCaulk senior you get a ladmo bag

@tommcgaw3070

7 жыл бұрын

sadnesssss

@Dimetropteryx

7 жыл бұрын

I'd laugh, but I won't on the off chance that it was a serious statement masked as a joke.

@Xtorin_Housecat_Ohern

7 жыл бұрын

relatable

@ghostofshady9560

7 жыл бұрын

get a doll they never say no...

Whoa, that is one awesome camera setup. I had to switch to 480p, that RIA logo really leaps out at higher resolutions.

excellent video

I hope you are feeling better Ian.

100 marks? what a deal! too bad thats going to be worth nothing in a year...

I actually got one Gewehr 98 with double stampings! 1917 Danzig and 1920.

@austinhunt2411

7 жыл бұрын

Is it a full length rifle

@drinkingdark1624

7 жыл бұрын

Yepp.

@austinhunt2411

7 жыл бұрын

Cool

As always if it is interesting, Ian will show it. Thanks Ian.

Very interesting I just purchased a Gehre 98 double stamped....it wasn't indicated on the sale description.

I had no idea what a "1916 Amberg" with "Gew.98" on the receiver was when I picked it up for $100, or why it said "1920", but I had no idea I had something with such history.

was just wondering if you have a degree in firearms history or do you work in the industry? you seem to have a great wealth of knowledge when it comes to history. keep up the good work.

@ForgottenWeapons

7 жыл бұрын

My educational background is in mechanical engineering technology, and I have never worked in the gun industry.

Thanks man for the history lesson

Very interesting indeed.

Very Nice Info Video!

I own a 1918 Gew98 with a 1920 stamp on the left side of the stock in very small font. The sights were replaced in the Weimar period with the S42 tangent sights. It is arsenal refurbished with a blued receiver. Is it uncommon for them to have stamped the stock and not the receiver?

You should do a short video on just the Kar98az.

Very cool, another kernel of knowledge.

neat info

that was a neat sweet story.

@3:54 Oh, that's depressing....

live youe videos, thank you Ian

@user-es8fp7oi4k

7 жыл бұрын

spef 🤔

@Tumathy

7 жыл бұрын

spef Oh, it's you... What a surprise

@RebelForce8

7 жыл бұрын

far gone

@Tr4wnet

7 жыл бұрын

your*

@braydenh190

7 жыл бұрын

spef *love

Just got my hands on a mint 1916/1920 Gewehr 98

how hard is it to stamp a proof mark on a hardened weapon action

And what happens on the opposite side? (the winner country) do they allow to keep your rifle or your pistol at home when the war ends?

Odd, there was an ad before this video. Maybe it's KZread and not Adsense.

Yeah i feel the same. Had no idea that so many were destroyed. I'm surprised that the allied nations didn't take some as reparations. The sporterizing industry would have started a generation sooner. Never knew about the double stamp. Good info to know. Very interesting time in Germany then. Near revolutions several times, parliaments beibg dissolved and reformed, etc. I believe there were a numver of clashes between different groups, including former soldiers, usually clashing with anarchists or communists (better dead than Red). Makes the Bonus Army incident here look like a Su day school picnic. Great video as always. Thank you

Great !

So what then is considered rarer in collector circles (within this period) is it the ones which get double stamped or the ones that don't?

@alexm566

2 жыл бұрын

that don't? there's less of them as they were hidden?

Ian you can't keep flying back and forth across the ocean everyday. That can't be good for you. (joking)

@JoshuaC923

7 жыл бұрын

Ian Force 1!

Wasn't there a restriction on barrel length that meant C96 had to be cut down?

I guess I got somewhat lucky with my 1918 Gewehr 98. I reciever it in exchange for some work I did for an elderly man and it is all original, sans a follower and cleaning rod that have different serial numbers. There is one thing on my rifle that still confuses me to this day and if anyone who is more knowledgeable about Mauser rifles can help, I'd appreciate it. My mauser has a crowned "B" on the bottom Ridge of the butt stock, as well as an uncrowned "B" on the right side of the butt stock and I'm curious as to if those mean anything at all.

@iamquite_the_predicament7433

7 жыл бұрын

DC I thought that was the case myself but I couldn't really find anything related to markings on the stock in any place that I looked for info.

@iamquite_the_predicament7433

7 жыл бұрын

DC Thank you, I actually learned a bit of German in order to study up on weapons history so things like that won't be an issue.

I have one with the doble date , i want to sall it? How much it cost?

I always cringe on "duffle cut" term, especially when you start pointing out mismatched guns thanks to it Ian. Anyway, very interesting material :)

So the luger I have was made in 1918. but it doesn't have the 1920 stamp on it. What would that mean given the context of the video? besides that it wasn't a government pistol during the treaty of Versailles time

@jcorbett9620

7 жыл бұрын

I could think of a few possibilities. It could have been a commercial export pistol, sent to another country as part of an arms sale, or it could be one of the weapons "hidden" in Germany that Ian mentioned. It could even be a souvenir bringback by a US Doughboy from WWI. I'm sure that there are probably others, but those are a few that immediately came to mind.

@ButterscotchSentry

7 жыл бұрын

+J Corbett most likely it was previously a souvenir since I don't see any import markings on it. Provided they carve import markings into pistols during that time

I wonder if we'll see G36 with second 2020 stamp on it...

A nice history lesson.

time traveling?

Did Wiemar Republic issue any other Stamps?

I want that kar 98 az soooooo bad!

This is just like the rifle you just won at auction! very cool

@PinHeadSupliciumwtf

4 жыл бұрын

It seems to be the exact same one 5839

I have three double date Lugers. One is a1911/1920 with a Nazi marked re-barrel and Vopo grips, the whole history of 20th century warfare in one pistol.

What is "long rifle" vs "carbine"?

@matthewkriebel7342

7 жыл бұрын

Charles Overturf barrel length. It's relative, and changes generation to generation. Gewehr 98 was full length, Karabiner 98 was shortened to be handier. With improvements in manufacturing and ammo design, the same effective range was achievable with a lighter and handier gun. WW I carbine length was closer to "normal" rifle length after the war.

@stetsonwalker

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matthew...

How is a Luger more viable military pistol? Sure it have some more advance elements but all the upgrades and extra option with C96 is definitely more suited for the military even if they ain't trying to fight another big war.

There's a lesson here for us (U.S.)! New Orleans post Katrina...

Another history lesson ... cool.

Dammit spef!

Very interesting! Nonetheless, when you imply the K98k was "exactly the same length as the Karabiner 98", it's not always true: it works here with this K98a but it wouldn't be right when talking about K98b which have the same length as regular G98 but just happen to have the sling swivels in the lateral (carabine) position... Moreover, should't you have rather used the Weimarer Republik Black-Red-Gold flag instead of the 2nd Reich one, in the video's miniature image? Thanks for having made this cool video anyway, Ian! :D

@tillmannfischer

7 жыл бұрын

Most of those weapons were made during the war (as Ian said, there a number of guns made after the war, but generally, most of those double-stamp guns were made during the war), so there is no reason to use the Weimar flag.

@SNOUPS4

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's a good point, I agree, actually!

Just picked up a double dated gewehr 98 for $600

They also marked bayonets with 1920. I own two of them.

Jimmy Two times was busy stamping guns.

so my uncut GEW 98 rifle is less common? HMMM......

I'm disappointed that throughout the video Ian misidentifies a Kar 98AZ as just a Kar 98. The Kar 98 and Kar 98A were true carbines, with 435mm barrels, while the Kar 98AZ has a 590mm barrel. Making it more of a short rifle.

So if you have a 1917 Luger with the military stamps, but no double date stamp does that mean it was a illegal gun in Germany, and could it have been used in the second war ???

The Lugers I like are the ones that were made after 1920 abd before 1930, but not 1920 stamped, and yet somehow with other stamps showing government use. The ghost Lugers. Built for export to other countries, then not exported.

I have a Luger dated 1920. My father got it off a German officer.

Seems such a waste of fine weaponry destroying all those guns.

Presumably a Gew 98, without double stamp but with crescent was a Turkish Capture?

@ForgottenWeapons

7 жыл бұрын

Not capture, sale. The Germans sold a whole lot of Mausers to the Ottomans, mostly in 1917.

@doraran5158

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for info.

How practical you would get 100 Mark for a turned in rifle, when due to inflation few years later you would pay 10 million Mark for half a bread

Karl has one of those, right?

"Disarm dissident political groups threatening them." Times change, but people don't.

Why wouldn't Germany sell the rifles to other countries, they could have used the money to pay off debt from the Treaty of Versailles

the Treaty of Versailles was such a perversion

Danzig...today its Gdańsk. Poland

It seems that Germany was a place of mass destruction even beforeoe WWII

There is one "mistake". The rifle is not exactly German. The 1918 suggests a Germanic origin. But 1920 is the date of the establishment of a Free City Gdansk[ Freie Stadt Danzig]. At january 10 1920 Gdansk/Danzig was disconnected from Germany. In November Gdansk/Danzig was already a free city that was more Polish- economic union, foreign affairs and some other ... This crown suggest Gdansk. It was strange times. It only adds history to this rifle.

@jasonallen1712

7 жыл бұрын

Did you not listen to the video?

@MrBzdziu

7 жыл бұрын

OK. The second stamp with crown is from the 1920... maybe Free City Gdansk... or it is possible that the new stamp was made by the Brits. It has just come to me that crown isnt crown of the Free City Gdansk but looks like British crown. Perhaps it was done by the Brits or at the time there was not yet created a new coat of arms Free City Gdansk. From January 1920 Gdansk was managed by the Brits with their troops. The official language of the Free City Gdansk was German... And like a said before... At january 10 1920 Gdansk/Danzig was disconnected from Germany. In November Gdansk/Danzig was already a free city with its own constitution. So you have German 1918 productions ... with history 1920s Gdansk that wasnt German since january.

@cptreech

7 жыл бұрын

Gun was manufactured in Danzig in 1918 with a crown above (assuming Imperial Crown?) then re-stamped 1920 as a German Government property mark.

@MrBzdziu

7 жыл бұрын

Think, how looking like the British crown could be found on the German weapon in 1918. The crown and Danzig could not be stamped in 1918. Weapons was manufactured in 1918 somewhere in Germany. In 1920 the crown was stamped and date and Danzig/Gdansk. The only question is whether the British did it, suggests by the British crown. Or... Free City of Gdansk authorities while they did not have new coat of arms. I can not find when exactly the new coat of arms was created. Or... third option- by the Brits disarming Germans in the Free City of Gdansk, and that sugest stamped Danzig and British crown.

@tillmannfischer

7 жыл бұрын

That crown is a pure manufacturer's mark, nothing more. Not to mention that the Free City of Danzig was prohibited to produce any kind of firearms under the regulations of the League of Nations (to under which's authority it directly remained between 1919 to 1939).

I just gave away an all numbers matching 90% condition including the original number matching magazine P08 DWM 1917 Luger at a pawnshop for $350. No thanks to the plandemic.

You stated that it was in the interest of the formal German government (the Weimar Republic) to confiscate guns in order to remain securely in power. Isn't it ironic that the republic only lasted 15 years? We should learn from history. Confiscation did little to nothing to secure the Weimar republic and certainly nothing to prevent the national socialist government that followed - with tragic consequences.

The real SS mausers

Spoke to a millennial German student once. He's incredibly upset about the treaty and wants it and American oversight into German political affairs abolished so Germany can have back it's freedoms it once had, establishing a Constitution. I told him that they were still too angry and impetuous as a nation to see that happen. He had to concede that argument due to his hatred on the subject :). Their political parties still have their extremist views that induced World War 1 & 2 in the first place. Also that we would just nuke them outright if they ever tried the same thing ever again.

@MrGlitchingGuy

7 жыл бұрын

Have you ever thought about the following... The way you are thinking is exactly the same that the nazis were thinking. You are saying that all germans are the same and they are all angry. The same did the nazis by saying all jews were the same and bad. But by saying the first and second world war were started by extremist views from the germans just shows how uninformed and outright stupid you are so there is probably no point in arguing with you.