As they always say Don, "the best camera is the one you have with you" and that's the reason why I sold my FF Canon system. In '23 when 99% of images are viewed online that adage holds better than ever. Lighter weight, smaller bulk, quality optics; these are the things that make M43 my choice.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree! Thanks for watching!

@anonymousl5150

Жыл бұрын

M43 isn't that much smaller than full frame. Yes Canon is gigantic but look at Sony, they have a ton of compact options. The size differences between different sensor bodies have become homogenized over the years and it's no longer a huge advantage for M43. The two real advantages of M43 should be easier stabilization (since smaller sensor has less inertia) and wildlife telephoto advantage. Unfortunately I don't think M43 has the best telephotos. It could certainly use some downsizing as well. The signal to noise ratio you get out of bigger sensors is too appealing to consider M43 unless it can optimize those inherent small sensor advantages.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

@@anonymousl5150 the full frame camera bodies may not be that much larger than M43 bodies but the lenses are significantly larger. The extra size is necessary to cover that larger sensor.

@anonymousl5150

Жыл бұрын

@@dongummphotography For telephotos yes, but for anything below 100 mm you can find very comparable alternatives

@photographyforenjoyment

Жыл бұрын

@@anonymousl5150 It's the difference of opinion that will rumble on and on. Personally I have no regrets about switching to M43 and in fact I am now looking for a Black Magic pocket cinema camera for some video work.

Many of us don't want a full frame pro setup, yet we want more than a 1" sensor bridge camera. For macro and birding I think MFT has a huge advantage for a larger depth of field at a faster shutter speed. Along with this the field of view gets closer to the subject. If you have a 20mp full frame and a 20mp MFT, to get the same view with the same MM lens, you will be cropping out half of your FF pixels. Giving you a 10 Mp camera in effect.

@professionalpotato4764

Жыл бұрын

The issue with that is the 10mp still has a higher lw/ph resolution than the MFT sensor. i.e. those 10mp could be sharper than an MFT image, especially in birding where cropping is often needed. Cropping the mft image further basically means it's on the same scale as a type 1 sensor or smartphone sensor.

I'm hoping m43 sticks around longer! Just got my OM1 and it's amazing 👏. I believe there's still more to unlock with m43.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

I agree! Thanks for watching!

You are absolutely right! And more: MFT is also perfect for many professionals. Real Estate for example. I’m a professional photographer based on Southwest Germany and I work with MFT 90% of the time!

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

I have a G9 mft setup for my personal use and taking pictures of some products that I build for documentation reasons. I really like the privacy aspects of not needing to rely on Google or Apple to move my photos from the camera to the computer. This is super important to me. What I wish these cameras could do better is digital zoom, especially for video use. I like to use primes for the light gathering and color quality, but sometimes I need some modest zoom control and this is lacking vs common cell phones.

i've known a couple amateur photogs that went pro. both of them were m43 shooters at the start and both were in sports mostly. the ability to get a lot of length for relatively cheap in m43 systems let them do things they never could have afforded doing in full frame. that was their opinion, not mine. i'm just a happy hobbiest with no intention to do more than i enjoy in any given moment. m43 works great for me and the ability to adapt vintage lenses cheaply and play around with them is all i really care to have at the moment. i think m43 is a great path for folks like me. the fact that you can get a lumix g3 and an adapted minolta 50mm, or whatever focal length and vintage character appeals to you, all for under $150 makes it very accessible and low risk. the gear will resell for about the same price so mostly you're just out shipping and time in the end if you don't like it.

My mft system is the most fun I've ever had with photography. It's light, feels good in the hand, the pictures are incredible... for a hobbyist like myself I don't think there's a better system. I'd still love to get a fixed lens Leica one day but I can't justify the price considering how much I love using my current kit.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree! Thanks for watching!

Great video! I totally agree with you, I used to use Hasselblad 500 CM and Rolleiflex 6006. Too big and combersome, went for Leica M4-P, Minolta CLE:s and Contax II. The MFT-cameras have I used since 2009 and still do!

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Great minds think alike!

So glad you are making these videos. Just bought an em-5.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I love cameras and taking pictures. I own Sony, Nikon and obviously Olympus. Yet em5ii gives me the most pleasure. It’s beautifully to look at. Joy to use. Best street photography camera.

I love the M43 system. I shot a Oly EM1 Mark III with Pro lenes and sell my work online and at galleries. Never has anyone ever said, "oh, the IQ was poor so I won't buy it because it wasn't shot with a FF camera".

Thank you for your posting of M43 views. I hope the industry as a whole stays active, as we need more than camera-phones. The take-over of Olympus was saddening, but was predicted in their financial statements. I have shot most of all you have mentioned, but not the 8x10 view cameras. My experiences started in 1965 when I shot film while in Viet Nam as a naval photographer.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thank YOU for your service to our country! We all owe you a debt of gratitude. Also, thanks for watching my videos, greatly appreciated. I believe that M43 will be around for a while.

You have some wonderful photos at the beginning of your video. This just proves the quality and relevance of MFT👍

Thank you for this video. Your view is very practical and enlightening. Refreshing as well

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thank you and thanks for watching too!

Good points made. I only do family photography for my kid. What I worry about is the less focus on the Pen product line. It seems they want to keep more pro features on OM line. I still hope there will be a second Pen F.

Nice video, Don. I owned 35mm & medium format film cameras in the past, (I'm 70 so when I started shooting it was in the '70s) and enjoyed those, but now, when I travel, it's nice to have a compact kit. Micro Four Thirds fits the bill there. I have an Olympus OM-D EM-1 Mk III and a digital Pen F, and I usually take one of those when we travel. Perfect size, and the photos taken with those are great. Seems that OM System and Panasonic will continue to support this format so I will stick with it.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching! I think Micro Four Thirds is a great platform!

That was quite an excellent discussion of how to think/approach making a decision on what type of camera one should use when choosing a camera system. I agree with you totally 😊

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I think it you look at sales in the major camera markets of Japan, Asia-Pacific, Europe, most people are not buying the high-end professional cameras nor full frame. Most people prefer the smaller size cameras. In fact the Olympus E-PL10 is sitting at No.4 best seller. The basic point and shoot compact cameras are being discontinued as they cannot compete with mobile phones now but the high end ones are selling, Ricoh GR3. LX100, Ollie Tough. That has given rise to false rumours that MFT is being discontinued, not true. There are new sensors in the wings with astounding capabilities, already in production as scientific cameras, but they are 4/3 and are not nor will be FF. The money is coming from the automotive industry, they will not develop to larger sensor sizes when there is no need to do so. In terms of funding cameras are cottage industry compared to cars, they cannot afford it. If they succeed, and they already have, in a couple of years time, it may spell the death knell of full frame and APS-C. They simply won't be able to compete with less than one photon above noise sensitivity, well-depth and DR off the chart and for all practical purposes no upper ISO limit. That tech is already here, it just has not been put into a consumer camera yet. Full frame has to have the most dynamic range? But they don't. Not really. Some have less DR than an Ollie E-M10. I have no idea where this notion comes from, it's not backed up by fact. It's only N.America that thinks "Micro" is derogatory, the rest of the world thinks small is good. Perhaps they should have named it "Mirrorless Four Thirds".

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

You make some very astute points. I appreciate you sharing them. Americans have a bad habit of thinking bigger is always better, look at our cars. Bigger is clearly not always better. Thanks for watching!

Its the image that matters. The camera is just a mechanism used along the way. If you're happy with your images, then its a wrap. Job done.

Hi Don, another interesting video to get the thought buds simmering. Seems like we'll never stop talking about M43 this way, but hey that means it'll be around for a while yet. I'm not sure that M43 necessarily exhibits less dynamic range than larger sensors. What is captured depends on so many things, especially nailing the correct exposure. Anyway, my crystal ball tells me M43 will fade long long away and some folk will say 'told you so' with great glee. Then my grand-kids and their friends will 'discover' this cool system and M43 will rebound in similar fashion to the way film has in recent times. It also tells me not to hold my breath waiting for Pentax to release a film camera, though if anyone is capable of pursuing such folly its Pentax, I love 'em. Take care.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! You may be right!

Took a break from dslr and apsc eg Nikon, Canon and Sony for a few years as my iPhone did enough for me I thought. Then I saw a KZread video about micro four thirds and I got the bug again and bought an Oly em5 iii with a kit lens. Absolutely amazed by the quality of the lens and tech on these. These tiny pieces of gear are producing images better than my gear from just a few years ago. And now I also realise I’ve missed a few years be disillusioned by using a phone as a camera.

@dongummphotography

11 ай бұрын

Olympus cameras and lenses have a lot of great features. Thanks for watching!

Just got a LX100M2 and loving it! Great for family pics and looking forward to some travel photography and macro'ish as well.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

@haroldgraham4441

Жыл бұрын

LX100M2 is my favorite

Enjoyed your video - you raise valid points. For me, it's a no-brainer. I have the new OM 1 (upgraded from EM1 Mk II), and I love it. But I also have a Leica Q2, an exceptional full-frame camera. Both have their place and respective strengths. I believe OM Systems also recognizes that many people will use both systems but for different purposes.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Good point! Thanks for watching!

@AlfFieldArt

Жыл бұрын

I agree 100% I have a nikon FF setup, and Panasonic MFT kit. Both are more than capable of producing images that make me happy. That is why I shoot - it makes me happy. :)

I just had a photoshoot last week where I used a Canon M6 Mark II and and Olympus EM-5 Mark III. I used a variety of lenses and interchanged some Canon EF lenses for both courtesy of speed boost adapters. The shoot was take indoors with very harsh window backlighting. I have to say the M4/3 performed about as well as the APS-C in still photography and was far superior with video clips.

Always excellent and well reasoned reflections... The M4/3 is a system of all advantages in modern digital photographic technology, while recalling that Olympus is part of the history and modernization of old and new school photographic technology, which together with Panasonic have given way to the development of modern Mirrorless. The M4/3 system and the specific dimensions of its sensor have been specially designed to have advantages, with a view towards the future of more compact systems, and lower costs, and in fact as regards the lenses, the economic advantage of prices and smaller dimensions, in proportion to the equivalent Full Frame lenses, goes to all advantage of the M4/3 system. But many other advantages of the M4/3, one of these is the stabilization of the sensor, the greater depth of field with the same aperture and focal length with the FF system, technically you always look for a better depth of field and not with its greater detail , to the advantage of contextualizing the scene, the blurred is a purely artistic factor. Although the dimensions of the modern FF are comparable, and often lower than the Mirrorless M4/3, see in fact the G9 or the GH6, but the lenses are not, they are always and much lower both in terms of dimensions and production prices, but also the same Top-of-the-range mirrorless cameras such as the GH6 and OM-1, have a high build quality and performance equal to and superior to FF cameras, with double and often triple the price. There may still be doubts about the ability of high ISOs, but today, 3200 is quite usable today and 6400 is well manageable, even reaching 12800, and even exceeding them. But at least in photography even the professionals who use the FF system, in very important jobs they normally work in a range that is usually always at 100-200, on occasions they reach 3200, whether they are professionals who use FF, APSC or M4/3 , all of them always use external lights, and of a lot of quality. When there was the high ISO noise difference gap between FF and M4/3, the FF system didn't shine at high ISO either. In the technological field of photography, what seemed impossible yesterday is now normal practice, and in the near future the quality will always be better, and the manufacturers' priority will be to further reduce costs for the same better quality. The M4/3's sensor is now back-illuminated and stacked with a gain and two stop (OM-1) improvement in digital noise compared to a normal penultimate generation M4/3 sensor, and the GH6 did a giant leap in digital noise, and with a new non-stacked sensor. Tomorrow who knows what technology still holds for the better in this sector..... by me😀

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Lots of good points there! Thanks for watching and commenting!

“We expect that still images [from smartphones] will exceed the image quality of single-lens reflex cameras within the next few years,” said Terushi Shimizu, president and CEO of Sony Semiconductor Solutions (SSS). That's from a Yahoo Finance article in June 2022. Personally I think M43 will be around for a while yet as the form factor vs. image quality is a very good balance and smartphones aren't great on an operational/controls level. Good topic and balanced presentation.

MFT might be fun, but MFT also has professional advantages as well. For example the greater depth of field is helpful in product photography and macro work. Macro on MFT is especially interesting now that Olympus has released the 90mm f3.5 Macro. It means I can sell my Canon EF 180mm f3.5L Macro lens. I love that lens, ho-boy, has it given me some great images over the years. But the new Olympus 90mm will give me the goodness of the Canon 180, but with half the weight and size plus extra depth of field. I switched from Canon to MFT a couple of years ago, and have loved the change. Just came back from India with a G9, and that camera was such a pleasure compared to the old days of lugging a 1Dx and lenses around various countries. MFT for the win!

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Great points! Thanks for watching!

@DM-sc4zy

Жыл бұрын

If you only do Macro I'd agree greater depth of field is helpful, however this can be done with focus stacking and using smaller aperture/higher ISO. If you also require shallow dof for portraits though, you will find that its very hard to achieve with M43.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

@@DM-sc4zy I have no trouble achieving shallow depth of field for portraits. There is a difference but shallow depth is easy to do with M43.

I have Leica cameras, Fuji, and I just bought OM-5 to take on my trip to Switzerland. I am more than happy with the results and the small size was a blessing. The other system lens are just too big to take on a relaxing family vacation. The OM-5 with the 12-45mm was the perfect walk around kit. I ended up buying an OM-1 on my return ans will be switching to m43 as my daily camera. Will keep the Leica gear for special photos.

@dongummphotography

10 ай бұрын

The M43 cameras from Olympus really do an amazing job and the small size and light weight make them a lot easier to carry around. Thanks for watching!

The total depth you get in most cases, with the MFT camera, using pretty much wide-open apertures, is pretty cool for use in street photography. The format size is neat too, though you crop to print. I use the Lumix Gx-9 on the street, which locks in a focus quickly and with great accuracy. The Canon RP is decent in use for the street, though I hate flippy screens. Looks like they are really enticing people these days into the full frame world, with lovely cameras, such as the Nikon Z5 for $1,100 USD. Really, not that heavy and pretty compact. Throw an inexpensive 40mm on there, and bingo, you got a full-frame street shooter. My RP was purchased for $999 with a zoom lens and no tax, on special sale. The 50mm is well under $200 everyday price. I will say it needed the grip, and thus a few bucks more. It is amazing, over the years how many great deals there have been on MFT cameras and lenses, the GX-9 + 12-60mm for $799 USD, is a bargain. It has more than enough quality wise to satisfy one, at least for what I do. The Olympus PEN PL-8 is so charming and cost me next to nothing. Throw a 14mm Lumix lens, made in Japan, on there and you have a wide-angle street shooter. It only lacks the setting for minimum shutter speed. For 25mm, I do recommend Olympus -- same with that wonderful 45mm Olympus, but the Lumix 30mm macro is a great all around lens. If one buys into the Fujifilm system, as in being married to their glass, then you do have a nice compact system with them as well in APS-C. You mentioned the return Pentax -- I loved my Pentax SF-1 back in my film years. I am done with film however. Digital advantages overwhelm anything offered to the positive for use of film. I do not plan on returning to film. If you have a minute or two, my stuff is on the Web -- use my full name, and I am found. Take care, Loren Schwiderski.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. I will take a look!

I agree. They need to keep making small easy to carry well specked cameras. this is the thing that M43 can do better than other cameras. I use the GX80 and and Olympus E-pl6 and they are great for taking out and actually using.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

I agree! Thanks for watching!

I do social photography and one point I would like to highlight is that people feel less intimidated by such a small camera. It looks more like an accessory in the clothes and parties where I do photography, it is more important to go unnoticed and not hinder people who are having a party. People are not going to notice the difference of a full frame and the 43 format is more square, so it fits better to social networks.

Couldn't agree more. For me, by far, the biggest advantage that MFT offers; and you can't really overestimate how important this is: MFT cameras are both good to satisfy the need for having a good camera, while at the same time being compact enough to be able to take it with you without it being a hindrance. I have both a Sony full frame and a E-PL8, the E-PL8 is the camera I have with me most often. Just having that with me is such an enrichment. When I don't have a camera with me, I don't feel complete. Having a smartphone is great but it just doesn't fill that need. And the Sony full frame, I love my Sony full frame, but there is just no way that I would be able to take that camera system with me all the time. I like having big pockets, and my E-PL8 with a 20mm f1.7 prime, just fits in one of my pockets just fine. MFT is just too good a thing for it to disappear. I quietly think that there will come an MFT revival at some point.

@dongummphotography

10 ай бұрын

I feel the same way. I generally have either an E-P1 with the 17mm f2.8 or an E-P5 with the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 with me wherever I go. Both are pancake lenses. I don't believe that OM Digital Solutions would have purchased Olympus if they didn't think it had a lot of life in it. I believe M43 will be around for a good long while.

@Frazec_Atsjenkov

10 ай бұрын

@@dongummphotography :)

Btw, when you go out with your grandkids you can use a small ff with a small lens. Some mft can be larger than that. I use both in any case, in vacation i don't need the best dof but i need small zooms.

I have both full-frame and MFT mirrorless cameras, and I often find that the pictures out of the MFT cameras look cleaner than the ones from my full-frame camera. Of course my full frame is quite old, it's an original A7 that doesn't have IBIS. The superior IBIS on most MFTs systems can often compensate for the smaller sensor in low-light situations in my experience. As in, it is much easier to shoot with a long shutter time with a good IBIS. Those big chunky full-frame sensors are simply much more difficult to stabilize.

@dongummphotography

10 ай бұрын

Good points, all. Thanks for watching!

My guess is that if we had two professional photographers, one shooting Full Frame and the other shooting M4/3s, taking the exact same shots, and the photos are printed to 8x10s, most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two same shots. Even harder would be to see a single print and tell us was it Full Frame or M4/3s ? It's only at the extreme end does the difference show, like very low light, extreme cropping, and a very high contrast subject.

I’m a newbie to M43. I’ve tiptoed in, recently picking up two near mint camera bodies - an Oly Pen E-PL2 ($100 used) and OMD E-M5 mark I ($200 used). I also got the ($70) 14-42mm and have a 40-150mm on its way (another $70). Found a $25 OM-mount to M43 adapter and have tried my vintage 50mm f1.8 with both bodies. Nice background blur with that lens. So far I’m having a lot fun with a very limited budget. 😊. If everyone decides to dump their M43 gear for something else, I guess I will keep on picking it up for a dime.

@andresgonzalezcerda7635

Жыл бұрын

Shhhh. The sellers will discover us!

I rarely took my large, heavy DSLR somewhere, unless I could dedicate the time and energy to it. It seemed each outing was for the camera, not the camera for the outing. My phone was way more convenient …. Fast forward to MFT. I take my MFT with me everywhere. And because I do, I have learned much more, have experimented much more and have had and continue to have more fun.

@crk3874

Жыл бұрын

You are so right about the reason why to take the DSLR along. When it is about the event rather than the photos, I bring my Canon SX65. Maybe now, I'll swap that one out for the MFT - once I figure out all its features. But I'll miss my DSLR.

Really great points that people who know the history tend to forget and some people never knew.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, and thanks for watching!

It is normally easier for the general public to access micro 4/3 than full frame: lighter, cheaper (in general). But the professional / non-professional distinction is not fair: it depends above all on your use because the image quality will be there in both cases.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree! Thanks for watching!

I went with the lumix gh5mk2 and coupled it with a speedbooster and my vintage nikkor ai lenses. like the Olympus pen as well for more descreet and light work it would be excellent. One day I might pick one up.

@dongummphotography

10 ай бұрын

Nice choice! Thanks for watching!

I bought an Olympus EM-5 Mark III on discount when the OM5 came out. Great deal especially since the newer model is practically identical. I expected a downgrade in photo quality from my Canon 7D but I really can't tell any difference between M43 and APS-C in terms of performance and in some areas the Olympus is better, especially with video. And that's before factoring in the lighter weight and compact form factor.

There are a lot of professional photographers who have switched to micro four thirds systems. They use the same reasons that you have stated. The glass on Olympus lenses is awesome!!!!

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

So right you are! Thanks for watching!

The ideal everyday carry-around camera.

One important factor also needs to be considered is the R&D. 35mm had a bright future ahead with the Japanese companies involvements back then, while the question is OM System investing more money into R&D and submitting new patents? As well, what we have seen so far probably are products already been developed or work in progress. From a consumer POV, more choices are better than one size fits all. Although as a business producing a better mousetrap or niche product, it may not be worthwhile for a large organization because business answers to the shareholders, not the customers.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

All valid points! Thanks for watching!

thanks so much, agree 100% with all you said, just hope OM system and panay boys talk more to each others so that there lenses become the same regrading the in sync IS.

@dongummphotography

10 ай бұрын

Good point! Thanks for watching!

It will definitely still be here. GH series going to get PDAF. MFT lenses are SOO much more affordable than everything else.

P.S. as tempted as I’ve been to add a FF body I just can’t justify the greater size and cost of most FF lenses. Plus MFT video file sizes and for example extensive video features and speed of something like the GH6 can’t be beat. I’m a G9 user btw

Very bright future

i'm in total agreement; my sony a7ii has been in my dry-box for months now since i picked up a used g80 last year; besides the kit 12-60 i'm using basically various vintage lenses w/adaptors, n it's a lot of fun; yes mft is very usable for 'photographing for fun' cheerio

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more! Thanks for watching!

I look on full frame as something akin to the man who had to walk in front of automobiles carrying a red flag in the UK. In case it frightened the horses. It's a format that acts as a drag on the digital world of cameras. True, it was the King back in the days when film technology was King. That doesn't mean it's King now. In fact, the mobile phone with its tiny sensor is arguably King many times over, with each of the main mobile phone makers selling more cameras per year than the whole of the camera only businesses put together. So format doesn't really matter anymore. All that matters is what you like using. If it gives you the results you want, who is to say you're wrong in your choice.. I think Micro Four Thirds has a big enough market to survive as long as the full frame market, but just like glass plate technology of the 1850s, I don't expect either to be around forever.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Good points all! Thanks for watching!

Sony full frame came out with a breakthrough with the A9 iii and rumors go that OM will be doing the same thing with its micro four thirds. I have to admit my OM 1 has improved on the noise tremendously and love my pictures at the airshow

@dongummphotography

7 ай бұрын

I think there are good things ahead for M43!

The M43 cameras you can buy today new (om-1), so with good af tracking etc are as big as a full frame camera.

Watching the latest DxO pure raw 3 software videos today seems to have solved noise problem at high iso 😊

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Nice to know, thanks!

I am still thoroughly enjoying my M43 cameras, though evening landscapes, a long lense and without tripod inevitably lead to high ISOs and increased noise. Aside from that limitation it is a "system" with some great bodies and lenses. Sadly camera manufacturers in general like to abandon lense mountings and reinvent them.

Great Video :)

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

on digital photo school a printer was given images from a recent micro four thirds camera and a recent full frame camera and large prints were made for an exhibition. The printer was asked to figure out what photos were from micro four thirds and full frame. He did not get it right and admitted his choice was random because he could not tell the difference. The printer was asked to not look at the Exif data when making the prints and after making the prints.

I feel so far ahead of the curve. I was shooting Micro Four Thirds for work before it was cool, simply using a tripod and longer exposures to make up for the higher noise floor compared to full frame. Then switched to cellphones for event coverage and even set shots outdoors once I saw quality get to the point where I didn't feel bad about publishing them. But I do have the itch to get back into M4:3rds, because the compact pancakes and primes within the system are lovely and less expensive than for others. Just need to find the right body, given how beat up the ones I have are.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

MFT will be around for a LONG time. With the introduction of PDAF from Panasonic on their FF S5ii it will trickle down to their MFT models.

Don, thanks for these thoughts. I love M43, esp. my Pens, but I also use Fuji. OMDS is missing a huge, huge opportunity. The Fuji X100V and the Ricoh GR cameras are street photography giants. Where is OMDS? Well, they have an E-P7 that wasn't even released in the U.S. That's not going to compete. I know there are rumors of a Pen-F Mark II, but if that's going to happen, it needs to happen ASAP. I know the Pen series can compete with X100 and Ricoh, but new versions of these cameras are coming in 2024. OMDS needs to market NOW that they plan on competing in this segment. Start teasing something exciting, even if release is a few months away. They are not in the conversation now, and they need to be. Too slow in making something happen. Thx for letting me rant. E-P5 is still my fave.

Great discussion. However all the strengths of M43 you went through are the reasons FF camera manufacturers hate it. Cheaper, lighter, smaller, more feature rich, stabilised and producing sensational output. What’s not to dislike. I just returned from New Zealand and my OM1 mark iii photos have exceeded all my expectations. My Canon 5D mark I takes a beautiful photo .....on a tripod. I could not get the same results as the OM1 hand held. Keep up the good work.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@DM-sc4zy

Жыл бұрын

You're comparing mirrorless with a 18-yr old DSLR. change 5D to a more recent FF mirrorless the results can be different.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

@@DM-sc4zy the smaller and thus lighter sensor of an M43 camera can be moved more quickly and a greater distance in terms of movement correction than a larger and heavier FF sensor. This is simple physics. M43 cameras will always have better image stabilization than a FF camera due to the greater size and weight of a FF sensor.

They need to make an update Pen F with style for travel and lifestyle work. -New Ibis -'New Sensor - Same cool design retro -Updated Software - Better flippy screen and resolution -Weather sealing -Better video 40k 60 and two card slots

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

I like it! Thanks for watching!

For me, the main limitations of Micro Four Thirds cameras are: 1. Resolution. I do a lot of landscape photography and 16MP just doesn't cut it for this application. 2. Lack of dynamic range. In fairness, this is an inherent limitation of the M43 sensor format and it all boils down to simple physics. 3. Colour science not being up to scratch. I used to own a Panasonic G7 and found its colours to be muted, and a little flat, and it was hard to improve the colours in Lightroom without introducing all kinds of weird artifacts. Olympus cameras have better colour, but their cameras and lenses are expensive. 4. Problematic autofocus. Panasonic are supposedly going to bring out a new camera later this year that will have PDAF, thus mostly fixing classic M43 AF problems once and for all. For me, the ideal M43 camera would be something the size of an Olympus E-PL series camera with at least a 20MP sensor without a low-pass or anti-alias filter, good colour science, with the ability to do pixel shifting to achieve 80MP of resolution like the OM-1 does. A pop-up EVF a la Sony RX100V would be nice too, but not essential. I could live without IBIS so long as the lenses offer some sort of stabilization. Slap a 12mm or 17mm wide angle lens on that puppy, and you'd have a killer compact landscape and street photography camera that you could literally throw in a pocket. The closest I've been able to get to that kind of setup is my Sony a6600 and a Samyang 24mm lens (36mm in 35mm format). Sony makes a 16mm E-mount pancake lens, but it's an old design, made for Sony's early a-series mirrorless cameras, and, because it only resolves up to 12 - 14MP, is not a good match for alpha-series cameras with 24MP sensors. So far, Sony have not seen fit to make a replacement lens. Guess they must want people to buy their much bigger and vastly more expensive G-series 16mm lenses instead. Full frame cameras solve the dynamic range, resolution and colour science problems that M43 cameras pose, but they do so at a very hefty price and at the cost of heavier, bigger, bulkier bodies and lenses. My personal sense is that once camera makers find a way to make full-frame cameras cheaper without sacrificing quality or features, both M43 and APS-C may well go the way of the dodo bird. Canon are coming close with their recently released R8 FF camera, which sells for $2299CAD with a 24-50 RF kit lens, putting it squarely into OM-1 territory, where the body sells for $2499CAD and with a lens, $3299, or the OM-5, which sells for $1999 for a body with 12-45mm kit lens. The other possibility is that the manufacturers will make FF cameras for pros and serious hobbyists, and then make compact cameras that leverage computational photography and some of the advanced smartphone camera technologies that are just coming out.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. I agree, in that I don't think that M43 will ever be that popular with landscape photographers. I have seen videos where some of them are even switching to medium format digital. Still, I think M43 has it's place. You make lots of good points!

Well I have three Sony full frame cameras, for landscape and wildlife and I am happy to tote them around for that. With a R series camera and my 400 - 600 I can crop into a 2400mm field of view. However I have four M4/3 cameras, two Olys EM1ii for macro Sigma 150mm four thirds lens and a Oly 60mm macro. A Pan G9 and a 12 - 60 Leica and 100 - 300 Pan lenses for travelling light and holidays. Lastly I have a Pan GM5 with a 14 - 45 PZ permanently in the car or in my pocket when out and about, just in case. I have only just got given away my Pentax stuff to my nephew. In my film days I had a Pentax ME super and a Mamiya 645, but I would never go back to that medium. I can remember spending 4 or 5 hours to produce the perfect print. No thank you, I am not a romantic. Use the right gear for what you are trying to capture is my motto. Oh I have only 2 photgraphs in my computer taken with my mobile phone, but it comes in handy for showing people my stereographic photos.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

What a collection of gear! You've got it covered! Thanks for watching!

Hi Don, good point,s carry around a Pen 5 with kit len,s, fit,s in a pocket, ok an I Phone can match it close up, but not the versitile zoom capability. No contest on extreme focal lenths, M43 is more versitle, cheaper and more compact. 16/20 MP is well enough with post software, any more you need a super computer.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Good point all! Thanks for watching!

I think the concept of MFT is sound and I agree with. many of the points you make in this video. The companies behind them should really focus on the size advantage which seems both have abandoned to some degree and then make competitive products (OM-5 is a nice camera in a vacuum but not exactly in 2023). The OM-5 should have had the new sensor, new AF, new AI JPEG engine, even if that would have raised the price to $1500-$1700 USD. The GM5 never had a successor, and that's something in size no one else could touch. A well done PenF II (articulated LCD, new sensor, processor, etc.) is kinda overdue but not clear if OMDS is going to follow up with something "Not wildlife." The smaller Olympus primes should be re-released in weather sealed form to match the weather sealed body *while keeping small*. The lack of modern semi-pro *small* sized models to me is the real threat to MFT, as the competition has shrunk.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Lots of good points! Thanks for watching!

i am actually coming from canon full fram eos r to m43, and i totally love my 100 euro olympus em10 mark i, its not perfect, but it got character

As you say, in the past the dimensions of 35mm film were imposed on larger formats because smaller and lighter equipment could be designed (ie practical). With the micro four thirds system we can say the same, they are more practical equipment (no matter where you look at it) with respect to those of the classic 24x36mm (wrongly called full frame). Why does this classic format continue to prevail over smaller alternatives that are more consistent with the digital world? Simple, it is a matter of interest for the manufacturers who had a great display of optical and camera designs for those classic 24x36mm dimensions and have known how to sell this absurd need to the general public (mostly due to ignorance and because the human being it is customary). After all that was easier than having to innovate (as Olympus did). (Personally, I think that those manufacturers defending the 24x36mm have taken us for a ride)😅

@dongummphotography

10 ай бұрын

Good points all! Thanks for watching!

Geesh, is that ‘Thunder,’ Jets? Nice video and great thoughts on the subject, marred by that random ‘booming’ noise in your Mic setup. Just saying. Peace

@dongummphotography

10 ай бұрын

Yup, a bit too close to an air force base. Thanks for watching!

@georgedavall9449

10 ай бұрын

@@dongummphotography Aww, thought it might be that!? Thanks for reply, and You're Welcome! No worries, enjoyed the well done video just the same! GO U. S. A. F. ! 😊

I have a feeling without having data to back that feeling up that a great many m4/3 shooters are not so young people who have come from FF. The thing for Lumix and OMDS solutions is to attract young enthusiasts.

Even if OM Systems and Panasonic were stop making M43 gear tomorrow, it would continue on for at least another decade. There are tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands of functioning M43 bodies out there, and just as many lenses. People who love it can keep shooting it for a good long time.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely true! Thanks for watching!

I started and continue with MFT so I don't know anything else, though I understand it's got it's foibles like less-than-stellar low-light performance. But since I got back into photography recently and started paying attention to online discussion, the sheer amount of animosity I've seen towards MFT staggers me. It's like children bickering over which game console is the best! Just depressing. Though onto something more fun, on that topic of fun: I started with a Lumix GX80. Recently I bought a big, chunky E-M1X for wildlife photography. Then I made an impulse buy: a tiny, ancient, banged-up GF5 for a few pounds. Guess which I've been carrying around and having most fun with?

@dongummphotography

10 ай бұрын

It wouldn't surprise me at all. I carry around an old EP1 quite a bit. Thanks for watching!

... and post-processing software gets better and better. This closes the "gap" of sensor size and high iso performance more and more.

When Olympus sold their imaging division, I sold my Olympus gear and switched to Fuji. Had been thinking about a switch to Fuji for awhile already anyway. I do not think OM System will move micro 4/3 forward. I'm convinced the OM-1 was already designed and ready to go when OM System bought Olympus. That is probably why it was the last Olympus branded camera. The OM-5 I think is a good indication of what to expect from OM System. There was no innovation with that camera. No new sensor. They didn't even update the USB or menu system, just rebadged the EM-5 iii and stuck in some electronics from the EM-1. I don't think micro 4/3 will disappear, but it will be left behind more and more as the other camera manufactures keep innovating and moving forward. My new XT5 has a 40 mega pixel sensor and it really is a fun camera to use with the all the retro dials. I do miss the 4:3 aspect ratio of the Olympus sensor. I always set my camera to 3:2 and that gave me some wiggle room for when I was a bit sloppy with my composition. And I do regret selling my Pen-f. That was a fun camera. I should have kept that with the three small primes I had. But it's too late now. Will trade in my XT4 when Fuji update the XE4 or XPRO3 to the new sensor.

@glenharris2617

Жыл бұрын

I have a 80 mega pixel mode on my Olympus hand held 👍

@alexkunert5762

Жыл бұрын

@@glenharris2617 the Fuji XT5 has a 160mp hi res mode. Camera has to be on a tripod though.

I think the format will survive for three reasons. Bang for the buck which is influenced by wide availability of numerous Olympus and Lumix cameras and lenses in new and used condition. The selection of larger format mirror less formats are much more limited and higher in price. Second reason is that a large percentage of photographers are getting older and wiser and value a lighter kit that doesn't sacrifice quality. The third reason is the continuing growth of content creators that use these "hybrid" micro 4/3 cameras for video production more than for still photography. If I could get a affordable digital back for my medium format Pentax or Mamiya 645 I would try medium format digital for fun. An affordable back doesn't exist.

There's so much potential in M43 and I hope development continues. They really need to leverage on their strengths and churn out more products. Some things that could be done 1) OM-5ii in the next 1-2 years. At least put in the UBS-C. OM-5 was a disappointing firmware update. 2) Weather-sealed primes. Olympus keeps marketing their high end weather sealed bodies, but what about the enthusiast level of lenses? Not everyone will buy the Pro line. None of the f/1.8 lenses are weather sealed I believe. Compact weather sealed primes are great and Fujifilm has already proven the concept works. 3) Target street photographers with monochrome sensors, new rangefinder style body, maybe even manual focus lenses with exif data? Throw in a premium 9.44mil dot EVF and I believe that would be enticing. 4) Smartphone integration. Enable a high level of image editing in-camera (tone curves/HSL etc), with simple 1-step transfers to smartphones for social media sharing. Work with Apple and Android to facilitate idk, something like Airdrop but for cameras? 5) Bring out more interesting, good value telephoto lenses. The recent Nikon lenses have somewhat made the M43 lenses obsolete. The 400mm f/4.5 VR from Nikon weighs & costs almost exactly the same as a 200mm f/2.8 from Panasonic!!

How about they Panasonic LX100 mkII… it’s got the 4/3 sensor. Not a bad option for street/family/non pro Photos…. Check it out.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

I am kinda an Olympus fan but I will look into it. Thanks for watching.

The logical step would be for m4/3 to embrace its unique selling point, and produce a high quality pocket camera. However, that ship has sailed, and micro four thirds enthusiasts have split into serious video users, and photographers wanting a half-pint version of professional cameras in larger formats. I like m4/3 for the same reason as early Leica 35mm enthusiasts, the output is plenty good enough for something that isn't an inconvenience - which places me into an uncommercial minority. For still photography micro four thirds has become an old person's format, often birders who can't or won't carry bigger gear. While they have money to spend it remains to be seen if the demographic is big enough to succeed in a competitive market.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Interesting thoughts! I like M43 for much the same reasons I liked rangefinder Leicas, size and image quality. Thanks for watching!

@rumrill5020

Жыл бұрын

I'd love for OM System to refresh the PEN lineup, with a new camera (sporting an EVF). Something to take on the X100V and GRIII, but with the ability to change lenses. As a new-ish photographer, I was initially unaware of the benefits of micro 4/3 until buying a used GX85 and an E-M5 II.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

@@rumrill5020 I'd vote for that!

yes maybe micro 4/3 and a Fujifilm gfx, but still love film so what do I know

I think OM Solutions need to look at rejuvenating some of my favourite lenses. The 12mm f2, 17mm f1.8, 25mm f1.8 and 45mm f1.8. These are great lenses. I don’t need the wider f1.2 apertures and appreciate the smaller sizes of the f1.8 and f2 lenses. But, it would be great if they did mk2 versions of these lenses that were weather sealed to pair with the likes of the OM5. Akin to the small weather sealed f2 primes of Fuji, which appeal to me for that reason alone. I’ve been saying this for a few years now. Perhaps they should test the water by doing it with the 17mm f1.8, my most used lens. A weather sealed pen f, with a weather sealed 17mm f1.8 would sell like hotcakes and provide the x100v with some serious competition (particularly if it has live ND built in). With IBIS as well, which Fuji don’t have in their x100 line atm

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't argue with that idea. Thanks for watching!

Size and value are the strengths and is more than enough for 85% of anyone taking a photo of anything. Pro's that can spend 6 grand or more on a camera won't care, they can rationalize it, and then spend hours in post processing. The mistake the system is taking is that M43 bodies are getting larger for some insane reason. Just got a Lumix GX85 and I hope OM brings out refreshed PEN PL model and I would buy it tomorrow. I will never buy something with the SLR hump again, so give us rangefinder style.

I’ve been using a Canon R7 lately and I still prefer my M43 gear. Panasonic has better controls and the Canon STM-motor lenses seem sluggish in focusing by comparison. The RF 50/1.8 is cheap, but there is a surprising amount of CA. The sensor and skin tones are great on the R7, however. A cleverly-used MFT system is still extremely capable.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Good points! Thanks for watching!

I am also using micro four thirds GX9 but i have sony zve10 too, honestly zve10 is much lighter and smaller than most of the mft camera's with the lens, sony 16mm 2.8 and sony 35mm 1.8 just a thought (with 16mm its aprox 400grams and with 34mm is aprox 500 grams very very light)

@andresgonzalezcerda7635

Жыл бұрын

Price difference?

Em1 Mkii user here; kinda pessimistic about the future of m43. IMO the future would move towards mobile for casual users and FF for pro/enthusiasts. the weight/size argument may not be strictly true anymore, at least the difference is not as big as it used to be. (eg: if you compare a7c+tamron 28-200 vs OM-1 12-100 f4).

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

There will always be some size advantage for M43. It may not be huge but physics demands a bigger lens for FF. As long as there is sufficient demand, M43 will be around. Thanks for watching!

As a former Olympus user, (which i still use on occasion) I agree with everything you said. However I've noticed cost creeping up to Full Frame cost, and with someone looking to buy into a new system full frame is a no brainer. As much as I would like to see OM Systems continue to grow as a company I don't think they will be around long term unfortunately and that is why I decided to move to Sony.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, over time, things will change. Change is the one constant in our world.

Don’t disagree with anything you said but the video was about the future. In this case we have to answer the question about where OMDS is going. In this case it is clear that they are focusing on becoming even more ‘niche’ by concentrating on nature, sports and macro. I don’t see any focus on the things you mentioned like travel, portraits etc or even popular camera styles like the pen series like the ones round your neck. I love Olympus in its breadth of appeal but I am not convinced yet that OMDS will maintain that attractiveness. The costs are also becoming prohibitive. Personally I have retained my e-m 1 mk iii but I have also invested in a Sony a7 ii which is just as small and opens up the use of vintage glass as well. Still each to their own eh?

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Thanks for watching!

@GB-ez6ge

Жыл бұрын

The street, macro, and general photography appeal of MFT remains. OMDS is not "concentrating on" but expanding into nature & sports.

M4/3 great cameras

With what camera did you shoot this video?

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Shot with an EM5 MkII.

@thatspiritualhumane

Жыл бұрын

@@dongummphotography Don, I think I couldn't play the video smooth in 2x speed, looks like the codec you're using is not compatible for smooth scroll. I saw around 35 KZread videos today, your video didn't have the smooth scroll that these other videos from other 10 KZread channels had, the video is continuously buffering, could u pls check on this.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

@@thatspiritualhumane I'll look into it

MFT is the Future!

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

The only drawback i see and i own micro four thirds is some of the lens costs to me are a little pricey.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

I agree!

Don, you are omitting a major issue with Micro Four Thirds and its future. Both Panasonic and OM Digital have chosen a market strategy that exclusively focuses on the premium market segment with high margins. Panasonic basically ONLY ships the GH6 at this point - all of their other camera bodies are discontinued. All new lens releases from Panasonic are professional grade, big and heavy lenses optimized for video on the GH6. OM Digital has a similar high margin, top end strategy for outdoor and wildlife enthusiasts where they essentially only have one flagship camera that is considerably more expensive (and sophisticated) than many other offerings with higher image quality and enough features for the average user. Not everyone goes hunting for wildlife images in the Antarctica with a USD7,000 telephoto lens on the OM-1. Or shoots bugs with a unicorn macro lens that almost costs Leica money. There is no more E-M10 line, no more GX line, no more G line, no more Pen lines. Micro Four Thirds has no pro-sumer future, that is not a value proposition anymore for Panasonic or OM Digital.

If you have a camera and a Directivity White Balance Filter DCC40, you might do not have to upgrade your camera until it is out of function. Why? With DCC40 and any camera, your photo picture quality is the best of best.

The issue with M43 is that they have gone bigger and more expensive while the image quality has largely stayed the same.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

I get that, but Olympus still has the EPL10 and EM10 and EM5 in their lineups so there are more affordable options.

We have a mode called high res which gives us your full frame pixels and more plus a load of other features available sick to death of these videos just enjoy your photography with whatever camera you have

If M4T is good, then i think 1 inch is just as good. M4T arent that bigger than 1 inch. (I use sony rx10 iv)

First thing all mirrorless System that has been created 10 years all were geared to enthusiast and not professionals. Also all of the systems used small image sensor. Nikon and Pentax used 1 inch sensor and failed from the start. Only m43, Fuji Xmount, Sony Emount and Canon EOS-M gained marked were the last 3 system are APS-C. Second, at that time the market was selling 210 million cameras which 20 million was interchangeable cameras. Today the market is around 10 million cameras sold which 8 million are ILC and m43 has only around 7% market share and APS-C and full frame has 93% market share. Due to this market share others get revenue and invest in development. Olympus had 6000 employees and now OM Systems has now 2000 employee. Canon has around 40% marketshare and they are the only one who are introducing new sensor and processors for prices under USD 1500. This is due economies of scale where m43 does not have. Third the camera you always have is your smartphone. Maitanis visión is the smartphone.

I think M43 size arguments just don’t hold water any longer. Perhaps when they were compared to DSLR’s - but in today’s market - its not that compact against FF and APSC. With that reality - the price of the system is just not priced right in the market where its easily within reach of FF and APSC. While it has some unique features - it still can’t be justified. Drop the prices $500-700 and there would be a strong argument.

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

Maybe the bodies aren't that much smaller but the lenses are still much smaller. Thank you for watching!

Cell phones in , digital cameras out . Times are always changing, whether it's for the better is another story.

Image quality is not the same as a quality image. An image can be technically perfect but lack impact. A boring shot is boring no matter what sensor size you have. If an image has a compelling subject, a sense of emotion and a strong story it doesn't matter if there's a bit of noise. Embrace the imperfections. There's too much bull about depth of field and noise surrounding micro four thirds. You don't see people pixel peeping galleries standing next to a picture saying the corners are soft and there's image noise. The compact size is enabling but it is a pity that Panasonic have produced almost full frame size bodies for their latest micro four thirds. That trend of big heavy micro four thirds really defeats the essence of what micro four thirds should be - lightweight, compact and fun.

@dongummphotography

8 күн бұрын

@@g10col92 all so very true!

When will MFT sensors get up to 24 or 30 or 40 MP? 24 MP next year? 30 within a couple? 40 within five? I would live to have a better sense of when such sensors will become available. The way tech is advancing and evolving, it's probably just a matter of when, not if, and probably before long. I would bet that 100 MP MFT cameras will become available, probably well within the lifetimes of some people here. Does anyone have a good sense of how quickly these sorts of changes are happening, and when such sensors (24, 30, 40 especially) are likely to become available? When will future MFT cameras become the equals of today's full-frame cameras (in resolution, low-light performance, and dynamic range in particular)?

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

How many pixels are enough? I used to shoot a Fuji S2 with only 6mp and our studio regularly made gorgeous 16X20 prints from those files. I have yet to find a reason to need more than 16 mp. What fuels the desire for more?

@viveviveka2651

Жыл бұрын

@@dongummphotography I agree that it's not so important for most purposes. What about the real advantages that full-frame cameras have (they've been covered in many comparisons, and include low-light performance, higher resolution and detail, more room to crop, etc.)? What Im wondering, essentially, is how long (roughly) do people in the know - those who are closer to the industry and who have a better feel for sensor evolution - how long do they think, or best-guess, it will be before the best MFT cameras of the future equal or exceed the performance of the best full-frame cameras of today?

@dongummphotography

Жыл бұрын

@@viveviveka2651 hard to say.

M43 not going anywhere