What is the Downside of Socially Desirable Personality Characteristics?

This video answers the question: What is the downside of having socially desirable personality characteristics?
I will be looking at this from the perspective of the five-factor model (FFM) and the personality-related difficulties at the extremes of personality traits. We know the five-factor model can predict certain types of difficulties. Taking a look at the five-factor model, we see the acronym OCEAN: openness to experience, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness, and neuroticism. It's important to understand what profile is considered socially desirable versus undesirable. Typically, the socially desirable profile would be high scores and openness, conscientiousness, extraversion, and agreeableness, and a low score in neuroticism. Of course, that means the socially undesirable profile would be a low score in openness, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness, and a high score in neuroticism. A lot of the research literature really pays attention to that socially undesirable personality profile and there's not a lot of attention given to the extreme scores moving in the socially desirable direction. This is interesting because both the high and low poles of each of the traits are associated with difficulties. The concern here is that mental health clinicians may be missing a lot of potential difficulties by ignoring certain scores on personality traits. To answer this question about the downside of socially desirable traits, I'll really be looking at the downside of both socially desirable and socially undesirable traits.
Low openness to experience: difficulty adjusting to change an indifference toward the feelings and thoughts of other people, having difficulty thinking creatively, and having a lack of curiosity and imagination
High openness to experience: being excessively detached from the conventions of society, being excessively imaginative, being lost in one's own internal world, and being in trouble with the law
Low in conscientiousness: difficulties with impulse control, difficulty achieving goals, and being easily distracted
High conscientiousness: working too hard, difficulty giving up control, being stringent, a preoccupation with rules, order, schedules, and organization, difficulty making decisions quickly, and perfectionism
Low extraversion: anhedonia and social withdrawal
High extraversion: being overly controlling, having intense attachments, excessive risk-taking, being flaunting, being loquacious
Low agreeableness: arrogance, manipulativeness, and being argumentative
High agreeableness: self-denigration, being dependent, gullible, deferential, feeling ineffective, and feeling useless
High neuroticism: social inhibition, low self-esteem, and difficulty controlling emotions
Low neuroticism: risk-taking, being emotionless, and acting out against others in society
Boudreaux, M. J. (2016). Personality-related problems and the five-factor model of personality. Personality Disorders: Theory, Research, and Treatment, 7(4), 372-383.

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  • @lemontarts
    @lemontarts5 жыл бұрын

    this is very informative, thank you! i think it would also be really interesting to hear about the positives of the socially undesirable traits.

  • @DrGrande

    @DrGrande

    5 жыл бұрын

    That topic is on the production list.

  • @akehapkap6143
    @akehapkap61435 жыл бұрын

    This the best description I've gotten in about 6 minutes than in about 30 years :) Sometimes complicating things is not the answer ❤️ That was really simple :)

  • @DrGrande

    @DrGrande

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much!

  • @yelloworangered
    @yelloworangered5 жыл бұрын

    At first, I could not understand anything you said -- but I must be getting acclimated to the vocabulary and style of presentation. This is good news! :)

  • @oracleofdewphi
    @oracleofdewphi5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for another excellent and informative video! I’ve read studies about the tendencies of people with high openness but low conscientiousness and vice versa, and I was curious if you knew of any studies about people with both high openness and high conscientiousness. Those are my two highest traits, but openness is stronger for me. I also unfortunately have mildly high neuroticism, but this video helps me to feel better about that. I have somewhat low extroversion and fairly high agreeableness. I have noticed that some extended family members with high openness (some likely have high conscientiousness too, but I don’t know if that’s relevant) are prone to believing unlikely conspiracy theories that aren’t supported or are contradicted by scientific studies. They don’t seem to have schizotypal personality disorder, but I think their high openness can make them vulnerable to subscribing to unconventional beliefs that don’t make sense. I used to work in a research center that studied people’s often puzzling behavior when it came to uncertain catastrophic risk. This was in Florida, and we looked at responses to government messaging, as well as insurance purchasing decisions and evacuation decisions during hurricanes. One construct we became interested in was called Need for Cognitive Closure (NCC). People with high trait NCC feel a powerful need to settle on an answer quickly. These answers often tend to be black and white, and they may not budge from their conclusion even when given repeated contradicting information. High NCC is also linked to delusions. Everyone’s Need for Cognitive Closure increases during stress, or when cognitive resources are depleted due to fatigue, the presence of unpleasant background noise, or even after drinking alcohol. People who already have limited cognitive resources due to executive dysfunction may be prone to making hasty decisions and sticking to them. In other places I’ve also studied sensorimotor gating, which is thought to be impaired in disorders/conditions such as schizophrenia, PTSD, OCD, Tourette’s, ADHD, and autism. People in these populations tend to have trouble filtering out redundant or irrelevant sensory stimuli, and become overwhelmed by it. This can deplete cognitive resources and interfere with executive dysfunction. If people with schizophrenia or traits of the disorder are already flooded with sensory information and have depleted cognitive resources, this could lead to a high need for cognitive closure, especially if they are feeling very anxious. If someone has high openness as well, then they may be open to unconventional ideas at first but then settle on the first semi-plausible explanation they come across. Sorry this was such a long response. I find all of this so interesting! I look forward to watching more of your videos.

  • @kierancole5948

    @kierancole5948

    Жыл бұрын

    I personly found your comment as interesting as the video

  • @scarlettchappendenden9059
    @scarlettchappendenden90595 жыл бұрын

    Wow! Must have missed this. Thanks Doc! Need to watch this again! This is astoundingly well thought through.

  • @maidenmarian1
    @maidenmarian14 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Dr. GRANDE I really enjoyed rhis video. This is very helpful!

  • @angelinastanton7996
    @angelinastanton79965 жыл бұрын

    This was a great video highlighting the maladaptive traits and personality disorders associated with high and low levels of the five factor traits.

  • @suk4honesty
    @suk4honesty5 жыл бұрын

    That’s interesting that low neuroticism is associated with not having a sense of humor. I wonder why

  • @akehapkap6143

    @akehapkap6143

    5 жыл бұрын

    vickie g It's not that you don't have a sense of humour. It's just that you don't care. If you're depressed in a way that flatten your feelings it's hard to see anything funny. I think. I'm not sure tho. Just wanted to reply.

  • @oracleofdewphi

    @oracleofdewphi

    5 жыл бұрын

    I thought that was interesting too. There is a stereotype about comedians tending to have high levels of neuroticism. I wonder how much truth there is to that stereotype. I have above average neuroticism and definitely use humor to cope with difficult emotions. I’ve also heard that some psychopaths (please correct me if I’m using the incorrect term) lack a sense of humor.

  • @genericusername8337

    @genericusername8337

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@akehapkap6143 Someone with very low neuroticism doesn't feel anxiety, depression or fear as easily as most. I think your hypothesis is off. I don't think low neuroticism people are depressed and thus have flattened emotions. The cause for their lack of humor must be something else entirely.

  • @SierraNovemberKilo

    @SierraNovemberKilo

    4 жыл бұрын

    A lot of humour is 'stress relief' - it's noting odd things that take the pain out of situations etc. To make fun of/humiliate someone is sadistic however and abuses the knowledge that humour is stress relieving to the other witnesses.

  • @realSimoneCherie

    @realSimoneCherie

    4 жыл бұрын

    Such BS. I have a healthy, dark, politically incorrect sense of humor.

  • @karisavath6096
    @karisavath60962 жыл бұрын

    Eye-opening!

  • @johnharrisjr2808
    @johnharrisjr28085 жыл бұрын

    Good explanation of the downside of socially desirable personality characteristics. The downside would be working to hard, being over controlling, taking risks, and exaggerating.

  • @corhydron111
    @corhydron1115 жыл бұрын

    I wish you'd clarify that when you say 'socially desirable' you mean 'desirable in the American culture'. In my culture for instance, high extraversion is seen as a vice, as a type of obnoxiousness. I'm guessing similar differences occur between other cultures.

  • @akehapkap6143

    @akehapkap6143

    5 жыл бұрын

    corhydron111 I find this really simple. In my culture, that is really alike the American I can comprehend this. I have never gotten this in such a short amount of time. But, I didn't realize that other cultures had another way of seeing this. That is quite interesting. Even inside a family or a little society something like being obnoxious can be accepted, but in the totally extreme way, maybe not in most cultures. Or?

  • @escapee8598

    @escapee8598

    5 жыл бұрын

    he doesn't talk about 'traits' in general. he talks about the Big Five personality traits, or OCEAN model, which is an established comprehensive taxonomy in sociology and psychology. it's a specific model. yes, it was developed and used in western society in - what? - 19th c. maybe, 20th c. to put it loosely, it's a somewhat personality test. like MBTI, or socionics, or whatever. just more scientifically correct. at least, regarding western society.

  • @akehapkap6143

    @akehapkap6143

    5 жыл бұрын

    toni. When he talk about traits to me, we are not talking about diagnosis. Traits are some things you can have in your personality, like being introvert or extrovert or both. Here he is going into the extreme and I find, even he gives examples as such, I got it :) Everyone would recognize them selves in any kind of these treats, tho, not in the extreme. I would need much more space to explain what I mean, but I hope you understand. People often get offended, but we all have treats of something. Like, I'm introvert. I don't like it, but it's a part of my personality. Some have narcissistic treats. Don't we all? I do.

  • @escapee8598

    @escapee8598

    5 жыл бұрын

    besides, extraversion in psychology is not always 'being cheery, overly friendly and annoying' and focusing on interpersonal relationship. Jung, who popularized the term, defined 'extraversion' as 'an attitude type characterised by concentration of interest on the external object'. so you can be quiet and not obnoxious, but just focus more on the outside world than inner world. in the description to this video you can read as follows: ''Low extraversion: anhedonia and social withdrawal High extraversion: being overly controlling, having intense attachments, excessive risk-taking, being flaunting, being loquacious'' i'm known to be an introvert. i have only one friend but i bet i'd score high on extraversion due to my controlling personality, risk-taking and talkativeness (even now i wrote down incredibly long paragraph instead of keeping it short. sorry). and i am far from experiencing anhedonia despite being socially withdrawn (the last time i left the house was two weeks ago). so here, i'm most likely an extravert. in mainstream media definition, i'm the introvert. just an example for you that mainstream media definitions differ from professional definitions in sociology and psychology.

  • @escapee8598

    @escapee8598

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@akehapkap6143 i wasn't offended in any way. i was just explaining to the OP that dr. Todd Grande was not just talking about random personality traits that he subjectively thinks should categorize people. he was talking about established taxonomy, classification of certain personality traits that was around since at least early 20th century. traits are never a 'diagnosis'. the Big Five is not a diagnosis. it's all about recognizing yourself in these traits. it was made for exactly that purpose. to classify personality traits. it's just how you recognize yourself. psychology in general is all about thing you can have in your personality. it's a science about personality. about who we are, how we differ, what similarities we have, how we think, feel and act. it's not just about diagnosing narcissists and psychopaths. it's about who we, you and i, are. though, maybe you just chose the wrong word and i'm clinging to your use of 'diagnosis' for nothing. sorry if that's the case.

  • @virginiamurrey9139
    @virginiamurrey91395 жыл бұрын

    Great video!

  • @angramainyu335
    @angramainyu3353 жыл бұрын

    I have very little extraversion, very little neuroticism. As you can imagine, I'm life of the party...

  • @veronicabetz9452
    @veronicabetz94525 жыл бұрын

    I liked that you addressed the downside of both the socially desirable and undesirable. Very informative!

  • @angelinastanton7996

    @angelinastanton7996

    5 жыл бұрын

    I agree! I learned a lot of information that I can apply to my set of skills.

  • @realSimoneCherie
    @realSimoneCherie4 жыл бұрын

    High conscientiousness is also associated with love of conformity and pro-authoritarian sentiments.

  • @thomas-ud1fs

    @thomas-ud1fs

    3 жыл бұрын

    A high trust society

  • @dingo137
    @dingo1373 жыл бұрын

    What makes a trait "socially desirable"? As judged by whom? Surely not everyone has the same idea about what's desirable.

  • @alimrahardian109

    @alimrahardian109

    2 жыл бұрын

    some kind of pooling or survey with questions around "what would you like to be if you could turn your life around?" should be able to provide data to map whether a trait is socially desirable or not.

  • @jemgem9593
    @jemgem95935 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating thank you

  • @DrGrande

    @DrGrande

    5 жыл бұрын

    You're welcome!

  • @GS-st9ns
    @GS-st9ns5 жыл бұрын

    I was fascinated by the "difficulty recognizing facial expressions". I would like to learn more about that if you can point me in that direction. I also like that you asked us to watch the video first and if we enjoy it, we would subscribe and like. You didn't want us to do those things first.

  • @yahushuajahweh1418
    @yahushuajahweh14183 жыл бұрын

    wow good content

  • @ayounglivelysoulinanoldtir3512
    @ayounglivelysoulinanoldtir35124 жыл бұрын

    most people, who try to be"good citizens" are way too passive, submissive & obedient, wimpy little "yes" people, they ,inevitably, end up being used, abused, walked all over & taken for granted by their friends, fammilies & employers. you have to be a bit rebelious, tough,& not afraid to express your opinions & speak your mind, if you want to be respected!

  • @latortuga251
    @latortuga2515 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for another interesting video. Is there any chance to hear about so-called Empaths (those who claim to be able to pick up random people's emotions, like opposite to NPD and ASPD?) and highly sensitive people?

  • @h.l.asolomonov7674
    @h.l.asolomonov76743 жыл бұрын

    U know doctor what i am absoving these days people dont conceder personality any more as much as appearances Thank u Doctor

  • @birkit1133
    @birkit11335 жыл бұрын

    Yes, I found it very interesting. More on this topic pls?

  • @DrGrande

    @DrGrande

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! - I have several more about the FFM on the way.

  • @MatthewAshworth
    @MatthewAshworth5 жыл бұрын

    Some of these "symptoms" are pretty intriguing. I think some more elaboration (maybe on another video) on low Neuroticism would be interesting, particularly the lack of sense of humour (which I always attributed to low Positive Emotions facet of Extraversion) and also difficulty recognizing facial expressions (always thought this was linked with sympathy from Agreeableness). Also very curious why does having very high Openness make us self-critical? Isn't this a part of high Neuroticism?

  • @Kataro214
    @Kataro2144 жыл бұрын

    This is what Big Five should have more focus at- It's okay that we should increase/exercise consciousness and that but I think everyone deserves to know that being at the unlucky side actually gives some advantages too!

  • @iuliaofahmedushka5657
    @iuliaofahmedushka56572 жыл бұрын

    if there is a strong willingness to improve the personality characteristic is there a way? and if yes what is that way? thank you

  • @PrivateAckbar
    @PrivateAckbar5 жыл бұрын

    So are the extremes of personality facets associated with the mental health disorders you mentioned? Or are they separate constructs which only sound similar?

  • @reynal_omnicide9217

    @reynal_omnicide9217

    5 жыл бұрын

    I have all the bad traits and I either have paranoid or avoidant personality disorder. I was suspecting mild autism. I haven't gone to a real psychologist yet so those are just guesses. I can imagine dependant people are either overly open or overly agreeable: those kind of spineless people who agree with everyone.

  • @rchhcsupernova
    @rchhcsupernova5 жыл бұрын

    I would love to have a test on this. I am always so curios about how would I fit in those systems. I would guess that sure I have high conscientiousness, but fairly mix in the others.

  • @pocoeagle2

    @pocoeagle2

    5 жыл бұрын

    Here you can do this test. understandmyself.com It's called The Big Five Aspects Scale witch is the same as the five-factor model Dr. Grande is talking about. It takes about 15 minutes to do the test online. You have to pay $ 9.95 (USA dollars), but it's a very good test! It's developed in the lab of the well known professor Jordan Peterson. There are several free tests also available on the Internet, but this one is worth your money because there are 100 questions and your responses will be compared to those of 10.000 other people. You get a good and detailed report in your email immediately after you have been doing the test. I did it myself and it's interesting to know your own scores compared to others.

  • @macmedic892

    @macmedic892

    5 жыл бұрын

    Here’s a free test: openpsychometrics.org/tests/IPIP-BFFM/

  • @bertzerker747
    @bertzerker7473 жыл бұрын

    In the case of comprising both modes in extremes is it fair to accept this is a juvinile with great ambitions?

  • @jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104
    @jeremywvarietyofviewpoints31044 жыл бұрын

    Are there downsides to being halfway between characteristics - having a balanced personality?

  • @atomnous

    @atomnous

    3 жыл бұрын

    same question

  • @thegoat1261
    @thegoat12612 жыл бұрын

    The conscientiousness traits never make sense to me. I’m not conscientiousness but if I put my mind on something and enjoy it I’ll be more conscientious than anyone else.

  • @FrancesShear
    @FrancesShear3 жыл бұрын

    A downside could be after being recognized so much for being good then starting to believe that you are good all by yourself all the time. Not going to happen because all of us human beings make mistakes in an imperfect world. Like showing favoritism to only a few people over others in the world while feeling angry when told you are healthy enough to leave a military hospital and so you have to give up using their exercise ball for a minute or so while under the influence of a drug with side effects that include headache sometimes. A mistake but not going to be a life sentence.

  • @kelly4321
    @kelly43215 жыл бұрын

    With anything, there are good and bad sides of good and bad things. The best way to be is to have a balance. Too much of one or the other is hardly ever a good solution.

  • @janicedixon2051

    @janicedixon2051

    5 жыл бұрын

    I agree. If only life was that simple and we could have balance in the areas that we need it.

  • @einsteindarwin8756
    @einsteindarwin87563 жыл бұрын

    What does one do with this info?

  • @pocoeagle2
    @pocoeagle25 жыл бұрын

    Great video 👍. If anyone like to know more about the FFM go watch the playlist on this KZread channel of Dr. Grande, called 'The Five Factor Model of Personality'.

  • @DrGrande

    @DrGrande

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @almontepaolilli7531
    @almontepaolilli75312 жыл бұрын

    Would you look into the case of Brooke Skylar Richardson. She is the teenager who had a stillborn baby and then buried the baby in the backyard of her family house. It has been a hot trial on Ohio and in the national news.

  • @kunalchaudhari3784
    @kunalchaudhari37845 жыл бұрын

    Dr. Grande I like your videos. Please also make a video about the effects of porn (if there is any), what scientists and experts think. please please please.

  • @NarcissismSimplified
    @NarcissismSimplified5 жыл бұрын

    Hmm. That's odd.

  • @SonoftheSeaWind
    @SonoftheSeaWind3 жыл бұрын

    Is neuroticism connected to empathy?

  • @thomas-ud1fs

    @thomas-ud1fs

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think neuroticism can be fueled by unfulfillable empathy

  • @aparaphinelia
    @aparaphinelia Жыл бұрын

    This my nigga

  • @rhondabaileyyy
    @rhondabaileyyy5 жыл бұрын

    I can see how therapist would miss this by ignoring certain scores.

  • @megja1812
    @megja18123 жыл бұрын

    Me = openness = medium, conscientiousness = high, extroversion = medium to low, agreeableness = medium to low, neuroticism = low.

  • @user-fu1nw7kh2h

    @user-fu1nw7kh2h

    2 жыл бұрын

    You have won a jackpot 🙂

  • @megja1812
    @megja18123 жыл бұрын

    People devoid of sense of humour are brutal to be around

  • @godstomper
    @godstomper3 жыл бұрын

    The downside is you lack a sense of individuality

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