What is the Divine Council?

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  • @found.ernest
    @found.ernest8 ай бұрын

    Michael Heiser was an amazing scholar ❤

  • @GEES44DC

    @GEES44DC

    8 ай бұрын

    We lost a great one.

  • @lilben4184

    @lilben4184

    8 ай бұрын

    E Michael Jones is the best Michael.

  • @gaiusoctavius5935

    @gaiusoctavius5935

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@lilben4184Nah the best Michael is Michael the Archangel.

  • @LayRule

    @LayRule

    8 ай бұрын

    His work was instrumental in me becoming Catholic. I know he was an evangelical but he had work that many evangelicals would have turned their nose at. I wish he would have taken his work further with theosis and divinization. May God rest His soul.

  • @lilben4184

    @lilben4184

    8 ай бұрын

    @@gaiusoctavius5935 Granted. The best *mortal* Michael currently living is E Michael Jones.

  • @user-yj9qq2zd9i
    @user-yj9qq2zd9i8 ай бұрын

    This is what the Tolkien's hierarchy of Valar and Maiar always reminded me of.

  • @tudoraragornofgreyscot8482

    @tudoraragornofgreyscot8482

    8 ай бұрын

    That’s exactly what Tolkien based it on. Lotr is a combination of Anglo-Saxon mythology and paganism with Tolkien’s own devout Catholic beliefs.

  • @milko540

    @milko540

    8 ай бұрын

    @@tudoraragornofgreyscot8482I don’t like when people say Tolkien’s work was inspired by paganism, because it makes it seem like he purposely decided that paganism was pretty cool and put it in his work. Rather, he was fascinated by ancient Anglo-Saxon and European myths that HAPPENED to be pagan due to the circumstances of the time, and that’s why you can find pagan influences in LOTR. I just don’t like people saying he put paganism into LOTR because then it leads to conspiracy theorists who say he was secretly a pagan, or something (yes they actually exist)

  • @IsraelCountryCube

    @IsraelCountryCube

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@milko540i mean i wouldnt claim to know Tolkien s heart . But God does give us instructions on how to discern

  • @comenowletusreason6330

    @comenowletusreason6330

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@milko540Considering God is truth and fiction is not truth, God would not approve of fictional stories. Imagine if man would spend as much time and attention on reading and meditating on God's word, which is truth, that they do on fiction which leads away from truth. From birth we are thrown into a world of fairytales and fiction and are kept in it everyday, unless we break free from it's spell.

  • @jagpro91

    @jagpro91

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@comenowletusreason6330This is one of the stupidest and most ignorant things I've ever read. Jesus taught in parables, which by definition are fictional stories meant to teach deeper truths. If you actually think that God doesn't approve of fiction (a profoundly arrogant, ignorant, and baseless lie), then you're likely part of a cult that has taught you something profoundly false.

  • @Tzimiskes3506
    @Tzimiskes35068 ай бұрын

    Michael Heiser really was a blessing from God.

  • @GEES44DC

    @GEES44DC

    8 ай бұрын

    His work really made scripture come alive.

  • @devinprater

    @devinprater

    8 ай бұрын

    Was? You mean he died?

  • @Archangel657

    @Archangel657

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@devinpraterUnfortunately so. He passed away not that long ago.

  • @GEES44DC

    @GEES44DC

    8 ай бұрын

    @@devinprater sadly, yes.

  • @JJ-xf8xg

    @JJ-xf8xg

    8 ай бұрын

    @@GEES44DC His theories are unbiblical

  • @pflume1
    @pflume18 ай бұрын

    I have a pet dog, Lenny. I dont need a dog . But he gives me love and enjoyment. So I'm glad I have him. And sometimes poops in the basement. Kinda a metaphor.

  • @InfoAddict26

    @InfoAddict26

    8 ай бұрын

    I have a cat,sometimes he craps on my bed and ruins my mattress and I have a urge to yeet him out a window. But I still love him,I think?

  • @johannd1100

    @johannd1100

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@InfoAddict26made a rainbow promise after the last one? Lol

  • @RyanJones-ew8vm

    @RyanJones-ew8vm

    8 ай бұрын

    You didn't create the dog.

  • @LanMandragon1720

    @LanMandragon1720

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@RyanJones-ew8vmHumamity definitely created dogs through selectively breeding wolves

  • @tiagodecastro2929

    @tiagodecastro2929

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@RyanJones-ew8vm I think parents and their kids are a better analogy for the relationship between God and people. It does a lot to help us understand our relationship to the divine; at least, as much as we can from the flawed, imperfect human perspective of the parent.

  • @waterio8563
    @waterio85638 ай бұрын

    This guy answers any Christian question and it actually makes so much sense

  • @shamaselahi5606

    @shamaselahi5606

    8 ай бұрын

    Trinity does not make sense

  • @JJ-xf8xg

    @JJ-xf8xg

    8 ай бұрын

    @@shamaselahi5606 Why not?

  • @bourbonrebel5515

    @bourbonrebel5515

    8 ай бұрын

    @@shamaselahi5606The best analogy I’ve seen for trinity is this: A Ford truck, Chevy truck, and Dodge truck are all trucks in nature, but a Ford truck isn’t a Chevy or Dodge truck, a Chevy truck isn’t a Ford or Dodge truck, and a Dodge truck isn’t a Ford or Chevy truck, but they’re all trucks in nature.

  • @Strongtower

    @Strongtower

    8 ай бұрын

    ⁠@@bourbonrebel5515The analogy breaks down though. That's 3 trucks aka polythesim. There is one God that eternally exists as 3 persons. I've heard it explained like this: there is one What (God) and 3 Whos (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). Check out the book "The Forgotten Trinity" by James White. He explains the trinity, shows where it is in the Bible, and answers objections.

  • @waterio8563

    @waterio8563

    8 ай бұрын

    @@Strongtower God is the mind the thinker, he speaks through the son and he blesses through the holy spirit

  • @dennisburdick682
    @dennisburdick6828 ай бұрын

    LORD YHWH needs nothing but wants creation. HE is so awesome. Praise be to our LORD Yeshua the Anointed one. Amen. 🙂🙏✝️✡🕎❤

  • @servus_jesu_christi

    @servus_jesu_christi

    8 ай бұрын

    Amen❤️‍🔥

  • @L0wen

    @L0wen

    8 ай бұрын

    Amen ✝️ 🙏🏻 ❤

  • @IsraelCountryCube

    @IsraelCountryCube

    8 ай бұрын

    Amen yaweh is merciful God. My mother says hes vengeful and hes a different God impersonating God the father which makes no sense because now shes doubting God his goodness so it's dangerous.

  • @servus_jesu_christi

    @servus_jesu_christi

    8 ай бұрын

    @@IsraelCountryCube I will pray for her . Much love brother ❤️‍🔥

  • @L0wen

    @L0wen

    8 ай бұрын

    Sounds like Gnosticism, brother. A dangerous heresy that I fell into before Christianity. I'll pray for her, maybe you could show her in the Old Testament that YHWH is clearly three in One? He can be vengeful on the wicked because he is just but delights in mercy (Psalms and Genesis are my favourite to show this, but the Holy Spirit will guide you) 🙏🏻

  • @danielmatei5090
    @danielmatei50908 ай бұрын

    I read the book and it is a very interesting reading. Even if you agree with Heiser or not, the book shows that the Bible is not an easy reading and it is more than what we learned in Bible school

  • @IsraelCountryCube

    @IsraelCountryCube

    8 ай бұрын

    Nope the bible is not a easy reading im only on genisis 35 when i should be on genises 100 or something further

  • @comenowletusreason6330

    @comenowletusreason6330

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@IsraelCountryCubeIf your reading the Bible for the first time it is best to just read through it without worrying about understanding it. You'll be surprised how much more you get out of it. Just focus on sticks out to you. Eventually you'll start seeing a flow of patterns and rhythm to the word. Let it interpret itself. It makes it easier to spot false man made teachings. Also, pay attention to how often it warns against false teachers and how to discern the difference between them and the truth of scripture.

  • @lilchristuten7568

    @lilchristuten7568

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@comenowletusreason6330 The best way to read the Bible for the first time is to start with the book of John. Then read the rest of the gospels, then read the 5 books of Moses, then I would say either read the writings, (Psalms Proverbs Ecclesiasties, Song of Solomon and Lamentations), then the prophets and the histories then the rest of the new testament.

  • @MrBlakeleyden
    @MrBlakeleyden8 ай бұрын

    Michael Heiser really influenced my father in his older years, and I am grateful to have known about his studies into the Bible as well. God bless the both of you!

  • @The_Autistic_Christian
    @The_Autistic_Christian8 ай бұрын

    Michael, can you provide a link to the article you displayed at the end? Thanks.

  • @strangetheology
    @strangetheology8 ай бұрын

    Great topic that has been unfortunately, overlooked or oversimplified in most of modern evangelical Christianity.

  • 8 ай бұрын

    Indeed.

  • @siervodedios5952

    @siervodedios5952

    8 ай бұрын

    That's one reason among many why I care little for evangelical Christianity.

  • @JJ-xf8xg

    @JJ-xf8xg

    8 ай бұрын

    @@siervodedios5952 Are you a Christian?

  • @IsraelCountryCube

    @IsraelCountryCube

    8 ай бұрын

    Shame. Evangelical Christianity is very lame. They dont seeem to not hsve genuine good reunions that help people morelly

  • @lilchristuten7568

    @lilchristuten7568

    8 ай бұрын

    That's because this is a lie. The divine council was the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The divine council is now the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, and the Bride/Body of the Son. The sons of Elohiem were then and are now human beings. The closest sons of Elohiem that were on the divine council are Adam before the fall, Enoch, and Elijah for the 2 of them were taken into heaven without dying.

  • @itstoasty7089
    @itstoasty70898 ай бұрын

    I wonder if God felt lonely all by Himself. He must love His creation so much and wants to be known. God is so cool

  • @michael_hervey
    @michael_hervey8 ай бұрын

    “Why does God need a divine council?” is a good question, but there’s another, similar, question I still haven’t heard a good answer for. “What does God need with a starship?”

  • @chubbyclub2502

    @chubbyclub2502

    8 ай бұрын

    First off, what starship, second off, for us non omnipresent beings

  • @loreman7267

    @loreman7267

    8 ай бұрын

    Ha! That was the giveaway, that that Thing wasn't God! Quite apart from the fact that he was in Spacetime...

  • @jjjsalang

    @jjjsalang

    8 ай бұрын

    Is that a reference from Star Trek V: The Final Frontier?

  • @loreman7267

    @loreman7267

    8 ай бұрын

    @@jjjsalang Yup! 😄

  • @melleetheka
    @melleetheka8 ай бұрын

    Michael was such a nice guy. I’m so glad I got to meet him before went home to heaven. If you haven’t read The Unseen Realm YOU MUST!!! It’s mind blowing

  • @leandrobotchkarev7693
    @leandrobotchkarev76938 ай бұрын

    So, basically Tolkien theology was more on point than we give him credit for.

  • @morrishansford3316

    @morrishansford3316

    8 ай бұрын

    Yes token knew what he was doing he was a very devoted Catholic and scholar.

  • @robertedwards909
    @robertedwards9098 ай бұрын

    Historically known as the communion of saints!

  • @johnnycatch2243
    @johnnycatch22438 ай бұрын

    This is so cool to learn!

  • @I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid
    @I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid8 ай бұрын

    And that’s why God gave us the power to create humans from conception. So that we can understand how wonderful and precious it is to have your children participate with you in life.

  • @loreman7267

    @loreman7267

    8 ай бұрын

    Yes! And according to Western tradition, conception mirrors the Trinity - where the love between two persons becomes so deep that it creates a third.

  • @I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid

    @I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid

    8 ай бұрын

    @@loreman7267 - not a mirror, but a shadow, an earthly representation.

  • @pickleballprincess
    @pickleballprincess8 ай бұрын

    Thank you for this concise explanation!

  • @CooperTheGoosebumpsGuy
    @CooperTheGoosebumpsGuy5 ай бұрын

    Amen😊

  • @777kerokeropi4
    @777kerokeropi45 ай бұрын

    That kinda gave me an understanding of my purpose in Life or the purpose of Life itself

  • @dylanvangaalen3527
    @dylanvangaalen35278 ай бұрын

    Saints= humans who make it into the divine council

  • @hismajesty6272

    @hismajesty6272

    6 ай бұрын

    You mean the “Cloud of Witnesses”?

  • @aericabison23
    @aericabison238 ай бұрын

    The shorts thumbnails for Mike’s videos NEVER do him justice lol

  • @johan_liebert2385
    @johan_liebert23858 ай бұрын

    Great stuff

  • @erics2033
    @erics20338 ай бұрын

    Thanks for sharing Michael. Your YT lessons are indeed inspirational and always biblical. I started watching Dr. Heiser on YT shortly before he died and through his lessons l’ve learned more about the Old Testament than I ever knew before.

  • @morrishansford3316
    @morrishansford33168 ай бұрын

    Heiser's book because of you and the short it really opens up to something and it really make sense to try to clear up some misconceptions.

  • @Debunked421
    @Debunked4218 ай бұрын

    Heisers interpretation of scripture made scripture come alive for me. Once I read unseen realm so much scripture connected in ways I never thought.

  • @ChristIsAdonai
    @ChristIsAdonai8 ай бұрын

    It's like when you start a family to have kids and preserve your legacy, why would God do otherwise? Weren't we created in His image?

  • @gandalainsley6467

    @gandalainsley6467

    8 ай бұрын

    Maybe God is building something. Could be a lot of reasons. Legacy, loneliness, building something or maybe a different reason all together. Its not like we know all the things that are on the other side and bible does not tell it either. Bible just mentions couple things like heaven and hell but there could be way more than that.

  • @MyCupOfTea101
    @MyCupOfTea1018 ай бұрын

    Using this and Heiser for a story. Thank you for this.

  • @joshuabussell4379
    @joshuabussell43798 ай бұрын

    Only problem with this theory is that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, His only Son, our Lord.

  • @JJ-xf8xg

    @JJ-xf8xg

    8 ай бұрын

    The divine council theory is very wrong my friend

  • @thebumblebeemovie3514

    @thebumblebeemovie3514

    8 ай бұрын

    I’ve heard of the divine council but I can’t for the life of me understand where it came from. I need to go back through angelology…

  • @JJ-xf8xg

    @JJ-xf8xg

    8 ай бұрын

    @@thebumblebeemovie3514 Go to the Bible my friend

  • @HaleStorm49

    @HaleStorm49

    8 ай бұрын

    His only begotten in the flesh. We are all Gods sons.

  • @hismajesty6272

    @hismajesty6272

    6 ай бұрын

    Yep. The Bible supports the Trinity, and angels, but there is no such counsel. God has relationships within Himself, as expressed by the Trinity.

  • @hotarukaleidos
    @hotarukaleidos8 ай бұрын

    Te quiero mucho Michael Heiser 🥺❤️ Thanks for sharing his work IP!

  • @michaelbrickley2443
    @michaelbrickley24438 ай бұрын

    IP, you’re on the money with this one. Reading the Bible after listening to Mike teach, over and over, gave me insights that were incredible.

  • @vedinthorn
    @vedinthorn8 ай бұрын

    RIP Dr. Heiser.

  • @GriffinWaite-lu7vl
    @GriffinWaite-lu7vl8 ай бұрын

    I would love to see an arm wrestle between Elohim and YHWH… oh wai-

  • @VicGeorge2K6

    @VicGeorge2K6

    8 ай бұрын

    Essentially God wrestling with Himself?

  • @GriffinWaite-lu7vl

    @GriffinWaite-lu7vl

    8 ай бұрын

    VicGeorge2K6 Yeah that’s basically the joke.

  • @karricompton
    @karricompton8 ай бұрын

    Love this so much and Dr. Michael Heiser!!!

  • @Liminalplace1
    @Liminalplace18 ай бұрын

    Heiser got it wrong ...may he rest in peace. Divine Council is reference from their culture not revealed as true

  • @ajgibson1307
    @ajgibson13073 ай бұрын

    Amen

  • @Patrick1991InChrist
    @Patrick1991InChrist8 ай бұрын

    Then it happened that night that the angel of the LORD went out and struck 185,000 in the camp of the Assyrians; and when the rest got up early in the morning, behold, all of the 185,000 were dead.

  • @chubbyclub2502

    @chubbyclub2502

    8 ай бұрын

    Are you just commenting a random verse or is this related to the video?

  • @JJ-xf8xg

    @JJ-xf8xg

    8 ай бұрын

    What is this?

  • @holdingpattern245

    @holdingpattern245

    8 ай бұрын

    that's one third of 555,000

  • @robertlee8519
    @robertlee85198 ай бұрын

    RIP MH

  • @tarjeibjerkedalene
    @tarjeibjerkedalene7 ай бұрын

    I like this. 🙂

  • @FozzyBBear
    @FozzyBBear8 ай бұрын

    You can't be a king without a Court. Every king has a Council of ministers who administer the king's will. Kings act as the Centurion in Matt 8, they give their edicts, and hear reports back. The king isn't on the front line, explaining the geopolitical reality to each individual soldier, bureaucrat, or peasant.

  • @SpiritLife
    @SpiritLife8 ай бұрын

    You should clarify that Jesus is NOT part of this divine counsel, but rather the second Person of the Trinity

  • @zachdaniels8484
    @zachdaniels84848 ай бұрын

    Amen.

  • @barbwellman6686
    @barbwellman66868 ай бұрын

    May his soul rest in the love of God.

  • @megaspit
    @megaspit8 ай бұрын

    Who is in this heavenly family though? Who are the sons of elohim? I've always been beyond curious about this

  • @HaleStorm49

    @HaleStorm49

    8 ай бұрын

    We are. The goal of the council was to allow Gods children to participate in the creation of Earth and use their agency to determine if they wanted to follow Gods plan for their eventually exaltation. That's why we are here.

  • @davidjanbaz7728

    @davidjanbaz7728

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@HaleStorm49you're counterfeit church isn't needed!

  • @PlazmaticBrony
    @PlazmaticBrony8 ай бұрын

    God does not require a relationship with His creations. But he desires it.

  • @lamosaures
    @lamosaures8 ай бұрын

    Whole new meaning to making friends. Lol

  • @christiang4497
    @christiang44978 ай бұрын

    Love that man.

  • @roundhouserenovations3072
    @roundhouserenovations30728 ай бұрын

    The term is archangel.

  • @kentracer4129
    @kentracer41298 ай бұрын

    Wow. You're just all over the place. Deceived I was.

  • @metasapienrex5287
    @metasapienrex52878 ай бұрын

    Interesting

  • @zac2877
    @zac28778 ай бұрын

    So in short what you're saying is, we were created to be loved and to love? Did I get it close?

  • @lightofeloah5919

    @lightofeloah5919

    8 ай бұрын

    Yeah that’s one of the many reasons we were created

  • @senorblondie
    @senorblondie8 ай бұрын

    What's going on with your tooth? It appears to change midway through the video then again later in the video 🤔

  • @aniketeuler6443

    @aniketeuler6443

    8 ай бұрын

    I noticed too

  • @levrider9558

    @levrider9558

    8 ай бұрын

    Like he had a crown, lost the crown, and then had it reattached.

  • @0ddBall7704
    @0ddBall77048 ай бұрын

    We don't need to have children. But we do so that we can carry the word of Yahweh and his son Yahshua. Not for us, but to elevate Him. In doing so we are also elvated in the eye of Elohim.

  • @HaleStorm49

    @HaleStorm49

    8 ай бұрын

    Not for us? All of this was for us.

  • @Faithdude95
    @Faithdude958 ай бұрын

    Mike, does the divine counsel stuff presented by MH alter how you see Gen 6 "the sons of God" vs the Sethite man theory?

  • @jasonvoorhees5180
    @jasonvoorhees51808 ай бұрын

    It’s truly a sad thing that Michael is gone

  • @stolentube868
    @stolentube8688 ай бұрын

    What is the shroud of Turin?

  • @JJ-xf8xg

    @JJ-xf8xg

    8 ай бұрын

    I believe it’s authentic

  • @MrSeedi76

    @MrSeedi76

    8 ай бұрын

    It's a forgery.

  • @aericabison23

    @aericabison23

    8 ай бұрын

    Irrelevant to the topic. That’s what it is 🤣

  • @JJ-xf8xg

    @JJ-xf8xg

    8 ай бұрын

    @@MrSeedi76 how do you know this for sure?

  • @hermanwooster8944

    @hermanwooster8944

    8 ай бұрын

    @@JJ-xf8xg John 20:7 says the head of Jesus was wrapped with a separate cloth. The Shroud came about at a time when the RCC produced many forgeries. Our faith should not be in cloths or imprints or bones but in God who we can know and have a relationship with directly.

  • @trevorharrison1989
    @trevorharrison19898 ай бұрын

    Hey Im sure you’ve gotten this rec from other Orthodox but if you like MH you’re going to love Fr Stephen de Young!

  • @tryingnottobeasmartass757

    @tryingnottobeasmartass757

    7 ай бұрын

    The Lord of Spirits for the win!

  • @christopherflux6254
    @christopherflux62548 ай бұрын

    The Divine Council are basically Angels who discuss roadwork repairs and garbage collection. 😂

  • @robertotapia8086
    @robertotapia80868 ай бұрын

    @Inspiring Philosophy @Michael how can I get the link that you reference in the short? Or if any can help thanks.

  • @ibear2554
    @ibear25548 ай бұрын

    I don't think it leads directly to the question: "Why," but rather to the question: "Who?" Who are they and do they have any bearing on our lives now? I don't think we should

  • @CooperTheGoosebumpsGuy
    @CooperTheGoosebumpsGuy5 ай бұрын

    Amen🙏🕊️❤️😇✝️😊😀🍷🍞🎉

  • @wakeupnsmellthecoffee
    @wakeupnsmellthecoffee8 ай бұрын

    The prodigal son is a parable about the Divine Council.

  • @hismajesty6272

    @hismajesty6272

    6 ай бұрын

    No, it’s about wayward sinners coming back to follow God.

  • @wakeupnsmellthecoffee

    @wakeupnsmellthecoffee

    5 ай бұрын

    @@hismajesty6272 who would the older son be in the parable?

  • @holdingpattern245
    @holdingpattern2458 ай бұрын

    Angels would not need some kind of intermediary between them and God, this divine hierarchy concept seems way off.

  • @L0rdByr0n14
    @L0rdByr0n148 ай бұрын

    You should take some time to talk about the catholic depictions of heaven and hell and the hierarchy of archdevils and archangels and what they represent in the two.

  • @JustB57
    @JustB578 ай бұрын

    You made a video about me ❤

  • @HangrySaturn
    @HangrySaturn3 ай бұрын

    The divine council is merely something left over from Canaanite mythology.

  • @Spoiler_Alertist
    @Spoiler_Alertist8 ай бұрын

    angels are sons of God. angel is just a job description for a son of God. at least that was my understanding after reading the book.

  • @charlemagne5764
    @charlemagne57648 ай бұрын

    You Doctrine extenders make it more complex. We are the children of God. Galatians 4: 7. End of argument❤✝️

  • @Missfaithhere
    @Missfaithhere8 ай бұрын

    Many people like to claim God is a narcissist for creating divine beings to worship him, but they're missing the point. Imagine being an all powerful being, capable of everything God is (this is before Creation mind you). You can do anything and everything, but until you decide, nothing exists. How very lonely it must have been to exist BEFORE existence. God wanted company, relationships. Sure, the divine council worships God, but He's GOD. Without Him, we would not exist. He tells us to worship him above all others because without Him none of the "others" would exists. That's why He gets jealous when Humans worship false gods, for what is the created in comparison to the creator?

  • @HaleStorm49

    @HaleStorm49

    8 ай бұрын

    Then why do the scriptures command us to be "like" him? He's jealous because he knows what we are throwing away.

  • @HangrySaturn

    @HangrySaturn

    3 ай бұрын

    You make it sound like an omnipotent, omniscient being needed us for companionship. I don't buy that.

  • @DerFischmannBekleider
    @DerFischmannBekleider8 ай бұрын

    you look like my old Protestant Teacher even thoe i am Catholic xD

  • @HaleStorm49
    @HaleStorm498 ай бұрын

    Heiser is approaching the truth but still not quite there. God doesn't create things strictly to worship Him. That would make him a major narcissist. He allows his children to participate in every facet of creation, then experience mortality, and then eventually be respected and be like He is (John)

  • @TheRavenheart67
    @TheRavenheart678 ай бұрын

    Link to the article?

  • @2dmetroidfandom579
    @2dmetroidfandom5797 ай бұрын

    And here I thought we were our own unique creatures

  • @hismajesty6272

    @hismajesty6272

    6 ай бұрын

    Because we are. We have a unique place in the spiritual world.

  • @christopherepperson3328
    @christopherepperson33288 ай бұрын

    Much respect Michael, the last time we saw nationalism without recognizing the role the sons of God play among nations, Deuteronomy 32:8 ESV, it fell to the occult.

  • @alanx4121
    @alanx41218 ай бұрын

    his story

  • @ravinarikp
    @ravinarikp8 ай бұрын

    Sons of Elohim.... how can be plural as mentioned in the Bible God sent his only son to earth

  • @MrSeedi76

    @MrSeedi76

    8 ай бұрын

    Honestly, in my opinion Heiser, as much as I like some of his lectures, very much overstated his case based on a single line in a psalm. Psalms are mainly poetry. Building a whole theological system on it seems like really stretching things.

  • @JJ-xf8xg

    @JJ-xf8xg

    8 ай бұрын

    @@MrSeedi76yes, the divine council refers to judges of Israel most likely

  • @HaleStorm49

    @HaleStorm49

    8 ай бұрын

    Christ was the first Son of Elohim... And was chosen to be the one who would provide a way for the rest to become exalted and be a joint-heir with the rest. (Romans)

  • @HangrySaturn

    @HangrySaturn

    3 ай бұрын

    @@JJ-xf8xg Most likely it does not.

  • @JJ-xf8xg

    @JJ-xf8xg

    3 ай бұрын

    @@HangrySaturn What does it refer to then? Tell me if you know

  • @glennparker5516
    @glennparker55168 ай бұрын

    Just as in the book of job when the angels came before God. As was Satan's response to give a report. Every being has something to do and must give report to The Most High God when requested. According to scripture as Jesus parable that The Master and the slaves he gave money to. " What did you do with what I have given my son " I can imagine being in God's court giving my report. Praise God Hallelujah Thank you Lord Jesus Amen.

  • @ghostgate82
    @ghostgate828 ай бұрын

    Divine Council ⚡️ 👽 ⚡️

  • @HangrySaturn

    @HangrySaturn

    3 ай бұрын

    No

  • @ghostgate82

    @ghostgate82

    3 ай бұрын

    @@HangrySaturn Literally yes.

  • @HangrySaturn

    @HangrySaturn

    3 ай бұрын

    @@ghostgate82 NO

  • @TheTimologist
    @TheTimologist8 ай бұрын

    All Mankind are the Sons of Elohim. We were with Him before the Earth was formed. He sought council with us concerning His Plan and our eventual mortality.

  • @tryingnottobeasmartass757

    @tryingnottobeasmartass757

    7 ай бұрын

    No. That is incorrect. We did not exist before our conception. God alone is eternal.

  • @TheTimologist

    @TheTimologist

    7 ай бұрын

    @@tryingnottobeasmartass757 So you disagree with the video? There is no 'Divine Council'? There are no 'Sons of Elohim'? No family with which God communes with? Does not God promise us eternal life (John 17:3, Romans 6:23)? How can a transient Being become eternal? How can a Being with a beginning have no end? God claimed to have known people before they were formed in the womb (Jeremiah 1:5), that the 'sons of God' were present before the Earth was formed (Job 38:7) and that the spirits of Man return to God upon death (Ecclesiastes 12:7). How could our spirit return to Him if they were not with Him before we were born? Before He breathed our spirits into our bodies?

  • @tryingnottobeasmartass757

    @tryingnottobeasmartass757

    7 ай бұрын

    @@TheTimologist, I disagree with *your* faulty interpretation of "Sons of Elohim".

  • @TheTimologist

    @TheTimologist

    7 ай бұрын

    @@tryingnottobeasmartass757 Yet you agree that there are 'Sons of Elohim'?

  • @TheTimologist

    @TheTimologist

    7 ай бұрын

    @@tryingnottobeasmartass757 Whether you wish to admit it or not it is clear from the text that God was not alone before the Earth was created. Genesis 1-3 clearly demonstrates God speaking with one or more other Beings during the Creation and the events of the Fall. (Genesis 1:26; 3:22) The Lord Jesus Christ claimed that He was with God the Father before the Earth was formed. (John 17:5, 8) The Lord Jesus Christ also claimed that God the Father is His God and Father as well as our God and Father. (John 20:17) So - if you believe that God the Father is Elohim, that the 'Sons of Elohim' were with Him before the Earth was formed, that the Lord Jesus Christ was with Him before the Earth was formed and that we share the same God and Father as the Lord Jesus Christ... What is the logical conclusion? We were also with God the Father before the Earth was formed. We are the children of Elohim. The 'Sons of Elohim'.

  • @beanieboi7743
    @beanieboi77438 ай бұрын

    Could the sons of elohim in this divine council context be understood to be the dieties of other beliefs?

  • @mlpichardo1

    @mlpichardo1

    8 ай бұрын

    For the ones that rebelled, yes. See Deuteronomy 32:8 and Psalm 82 for reference.

  • @Shadow87756
    @Shadow877566 ай бұрын

    I am curious about his source. I don’t remember anything about a divine council in any book of the Bible except in the book of Job. I know he does his research so he’s not just making it up but I don’t know how biblical this is.

  • @stiyashks4955
    @stiyashks49558 ай бұрын

    Who are the sons of elohim?

  • @BaptistJoshua
    @BaptistJoshua7 ай бұрын

    Sons of Elohim? Where did you get that?!?!? 🧐

  • @WayWalker3
    @WayWalker38 ай бұрын

    So why has God and the Divine Council been mute for the past 2000 years?

  • @nothingnothing7958
    @nothingnothing79588 ай бұрын

    Hey guys can you answer a contradiction for me. In Acts 7:47- 49 it says God cant dwell in a temple made by humans but 1 Kings 8:13 says God dwelled in the temple Solomon made him and in Exodus 25:8-9 God dwelled in the Tabernacle.

  • @VicGeorge2K6

    @VicGeorge2K6

    8 ай бұрын

    It isn't that He can't dwell in temples made with hands. It's just that He now prefers to dwell within us, since we are now the temples of the Holy Spirit. When He dwelt within the Jewish Temples, He did so within a thick cloud as to shield humans from His full glory.

  • @rayzas4885

    @rayzas4885

    8 ай бұрын

    Because the Jews rejected Jesus so they rejected God. After that the temple was no longer suited to worship Yahweh

  • @JJ-xf8xg

    @JJ-xf8xg

    8 ай бұрын

    @@rayzas4885 This. They rejected Him and suffered the consequences.

  • @HaleStorm49

    @HaleStorm49

    8 ай бұрын

    Stephen meant that God was not confined to the physical structure of the temple, as most people believed in ancient times (see 1 Kings 8:27). The Lord's covenant people have always and will always be instructed to build Temples leading up to Christ's return.

  • @davidjanbaz7728

    @davidjanbaz7728

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@HaleStorm49 the temple was 4 the Israelites: NOT the New Covenant of the Church.

  • @mtoohill
    @mtoohill8 ай бұрын

    Is divine council the same as being the Church? I've never heard the term before.

  • @jz1528
    @jz15288 ай бұрын

    So who are the sons of Elohim?? That’s kinda the more important question to ask

  • @mlpichardo1

    @mlpichardo1

    8 ай бұрын

    You can think of them as Gods inner circle of spiritual beings. Yes we are also called sons of God in the new testament. The idea is that God wants us part of his family as well just like his divine family.

  • @jz1528

    @jz1528

    7 ай бұрын

    @@mlpichardo1 interesting who would be in God’s inner circle? Is that something where they’re’s a consensus or do we not know and it’s just one of those things we let the gnostics play with??

  • @mlpichardo1

    @mlpichardo1

    7 ай бұрын

    @@jz1528 Are you asking who would be in the future? Not sure if theres consensus, God seems to allow them to give input and allows for collaboration just like he collaborates with us here on earth. See 1 Kgs 22.19-23; Isaiah 6; Job 1 and 2 as examples.

  • @randomstufffromachristian2287
    @randomstufffromachristian22878 ай бұрын

    Mormons have entered the chat

  • @HaleStorm49

    @HaleStorm49

    8 ай бұрын

    He was on the right track...

  • @davidjanbaz7728

    @davidjanbaz7728

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@HaleStorm49who was: Heiser is a trinitarian and his article on the Divine Council directly debunks the Mormon view. His article was even published in a BYU theology journal !

  • @littlenaro1700
    @littlenaro17008 ай бұрын

    But does God require a “loving relationship” or can he function without it?

  • @tryingnottobeasmartass757

    @tryingnottobeasmartass757

    7 ай бұрын

    Since He is triune in His Being, it is impossible for Him to Be without loving relationships.

  • @dougjstl1
    @dougjstl17 ай бұрын

    You have to remember one thing and think about it. Did Adam and Eve fell away from God they got disconnected from God so it's a very difficult restoration course it's very difficult to explain its you try to make it simple but always remember.

  • @user-dr2vb3hk1u
    @user-dr2vb3hk1u4 ай бұрын

    Hello sir.. that pracher also agreed to Book of Enoch?

  • @simonaivancic
    @simonaivancic7 ай бұрын

    Who are sons of Elohim if not angels?

  • @tryingnottobeasmartass757

    @tryingnottobeasmartass757

    7 ай бұрын

    You will find a great deal more information about the Divine Council on The Lord of Spirits podcast.

  • @HangrySaturn

    @HangrySaturn

    3 ай бұрын

    The sons of El from Ugaritic literature.

  • @BrentHector
    @BrentHector6 ай бұрын

    Is distinct for The Sons of God distinct from The Son Of God? I know this, however, i can see a confusion

  • @nilan3294
    @nilan32948 ай бұрын

    What kind of beings are in the divine council? Angels? Saints?

  • @mlpichardo1

    @mlpichardo1

    8 ай бұрын

    In short, they are Divine/Spiritual beings in Gods inner circle. Angels are messengers so they are of lesser function. Lower on the totem pole

  • @nilan3294

    @nilan3294

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@mlpichardo1So we know nothing about what these beings actually are? Archangels, maybe?

  • @mlpichardo1

    @mlpichardo1

    6 ай бұрын

    @@nilan3294 Its possible, were just not given that level of detail. We know for sure they are created beings, there not like God. God is unique and separate/distinct from creation and that includes the divine council

  • @Srhyle
    @Srhyle8 ай бұрын

    Can anyone tell me what verses in the bible talks about the divine council? Thanks

  • @mlpichardo1

    @mlpichardo1

    8 ай бұрын

    Deuteronomy 32:8, psalm 82, psalm 89, job 1:6, 1 kings 22:19-23. here are some to chew on

  • @777kerokeropi4
    @777kerokeropi45 ай бұрын

    Wait we we're supposed to be on the divine council?? Thats lowkey actually no thats high key fascinating

  • @elcaponeholyemperorofnj1169
    @elcaponeholyemperorofnj11697 ай бұрын

    “I made you because I was lonely”

  • @dynamican_

    @dynamican_

    7 ай бұрын

    God brought the world into existence and as the capstone of this good work, he created people in his image so that they could share in his overflowing love, grace and goodness through their relationships with the Trinity. God did not need the world or need people because God has no lack.

  • @dougjstl1
    @dougjstl17 ай бұрын

    Always remember the main reason and think about it that Adam and Eve fell away from God we're just connected from God we can't communicate with God and it's because of Adam and Eve so the restoration process is very complicated and you can't simplify it. You can try to simplify it but it's a very dirty messy complicated restoration to communicate with God now he can't do it automatically

  • @kyzendelaguia1063
    @kyzendelaguia10638 ай бұрын

    Why are humans called sons of Elohim? Wouldn’t we be sons of Adam, like in the Chronicles of Narnia?

  • @AveChristusRex
    @AveChristusRex8 ай бұрын

    What divine council? The sons of God are angels.

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