People say .22 doesnt penetrate but from what i've seen with ballistics testing, practically ALL of the the higher quality high velocity ammo like Federal Punch, CCI Stingers, Mini mags, Winchester Super X's are as reliable as centerfire and penetrate the necessary 12-15 inches

22 makes one hell of a lot of sense on so many levels!......i love it!

Love this video, first time firearm owner & I came home with a S&W .22LR & I was already getting backlash for my purchase & stated thinking I purchased the wrong weapon. This video gave me the confidence I had back when I made my purchase! Thank you so much!

Hi.. I am very impressed.. I have been saying the same thing you do about 22 for years.. All of my friends make fun of me when I talk about a 22 as a every day carry. They all say 45… I just laugh.. I have repeated the same things you just said to them and they just Laugh.. The bottom line here is use what you feel the most comfortable and confident to carry.. Thank you for doing this video. Stay safe and always be kind and carry a firearm..

I agree with 22lr for defense for a few reasons; light and easy to carry so you'll likely have it with you, inexpensive to practice with so you should be a great shot, very little muzzle rise so fast follow up shots on target, etc. But the bottom line is effectiveness. All you have to do is discourage their aggression, stop the threat. The civilian objective is much different than security or law enforcement. I think, if i was hit ANYWHERE, with even a single 22lr round, i would stop whatever I was doing and RETREAT.

Thanks for the great video! I just turned 76, have never owned or wanted to own a gun, but finally decided to get a .22LR pistol solely for home protection. I had no clue what to get until a friend recently took me to a range and introduced me to .22, .380, and 9mm pistols. Between that and the real life points you mentioned, I'm sure the .22 is the right choice for its intended purpose.

@cluckbent6466

6 ай бұрын

no way dude, way too small. Will it kill your attacker?? maybe,.... eventually not after he beats u down bad and bleeds out later. glock30 small, easy too shoot, not too loud 45 auto is a nato round and leaves a good wound channel and is very concealable. Nice thing it doesn't kick very much. when that 45 shatters their sternum and hits their heart.... game over. 22lr is not always a "richochet round" despite the internet lore.

@robertclark972

6 ай бұрын

I hope you continue to evolve in your knowledge of self-defense , for the sake of your safety and those around you .

@louisnese8902

5 ай бұрын

worlds record for killing a grizzly bear in 1953 i think with a 22 lr single shot rifle, if it can stop a charging grizzly it can kill anything

honestly good take, I was deciding between the two, now im convinced.

Totally agree. I carry a 9mm but I'm currently looking at purchasing a 22lr hand gun for self defense and if I can really improve my shooting accuracy, I'll most likely start carrying the 22. One of my main concerns is the noise, as you very well explained. Shooting from inside a vehicle, or in a home defense situation etc. it could even result in some degree of hearing loss, temporary or long term.

I really appreciated your discussion of the contrast between our comfortable, imaginary notions of how we'll respond to an attack, vs. real-world, adrenalin-influenced human reactions under duress. At such times, we need the simplest, most easy-to-operate and fool-proof solutions. Thanks. And by the way, that's a really nice watch on your wrist!

Excellent transfer of thoughtful information on the 22LR. Thank you, I very much agree with you!

6:30 I didn't expect those stats. Interesting. Good info. 👍

I’m so happy I stumbled across this video

Thanks for your real world view...glad I've gotten all my watches from you.

Great job explaining the differences.

Egard Watches is now the official watch of my Kentucky homestead (videos on my channel, lol)! I am a 380 every day carry guy (The 15oz 13 shot Ruger LCP max is like black magic), but for a semi auto home defense rifle, I think .22LR is a vastly under estimated choice. Especially if you load it with something like CCI Velocitors.

Mans is speaking facts. Glade I jus bought a 22 for my first gun. Its a ruger lcp ii thanks for the information.

@jgeph2.4

20 күн бұрын

How’s the reliability been cycling ammo? I ended up with a LCR 22 but still considering the LCP 22

hi there retired cop., I interviewed people shot 3x, who did not know they was shot because of adrenalin. He was fighting the attacker and run I'm sure is useless in northern state, were people have heavy coats. Secondly, if someone breaks in my home. My first, I'm not having someone hide behind drywall stud. Thirdly, you mentioned legalities, if the person breaking in, and the floor is wet. If he falls, is your fault . There is a reason law enforcement carry mostly9mm, I suggest people get trained

Well done. Safety is perfect and on target.

I love guns, coffee, and fine watches. You're my new favorite co.! Gonna order the Patriot watch.

The statistics were very helpful

Common sense and much appreciated. Thank you.

I took a four initial class and a six hour class. Neither instructor provided the detail and comparison you did. Yes they provided safety, safety, safety remarks. I shot a .38 S&W Hammerless revolver. It has quite a recoil and a hard trigger pull. Would be hard to keep the barrel on target and shoot quickly. Shot a Luger 22. You were so on 'target' with your instruction and comments. Thank you (BTW, have bought several of your watches and gave some away as gifts.)

Great video ... wow i was surprised. Sellers st the gun store always seem to deter from 22 but you are making some great points . Wow

Great video helps me out alot ive heard of the effects of a 22 round ricocheting in the body . Old school lever action rifles are alot of fun for targets. Thanks

Both are deadly

Nice discussion, thanks!

There is a youtube video where a farmer is harvesting a steer. He shoots it in the head with a .22 and drops it. It doesn't flail, it drops dead. That's good enough for me.

Glad I came across your video. Def gave a different view than I’ve heard.

Im 75 now and have been a ccw for over 40 years and carried all cal of guns for my job now I carry a ruger lcr in 22 lr with the new fed punch ammo and 2 10 round speed strips some times its a sw 351pd 22 mag and Im not under gunned Im only going to save my wife or myself let the tactical ninjas out there save the world great vid

Another thing to consider if you want to carry a .22lr is that you may want to go with a revolver because of the nature of rimfire cartridges they are more prone to not going off than centerfire rounds and if you have a semi auto you're gonna have to cycle the action to get the next round in but with a double action revolver you just pull the trigger again.

@EgardWatches

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve noticed i get a lot more jams when shooting lower velocity rim fire but rarely on high velocity good quality ammo.

@1810jeff

2 жыл бұрын

@@EgardWatches Yeah I believe Lucky Gunner did a test on .22lr ammo and found that duds where fairly rare in premium .22lr ammo but I suppose the same argument could be used for all ammo not just rimfire cartridges.

@pedrov9118

2 жыл бұрын

Fud

@1810jeff

2 жыл бұрын

@@pedrov9118 Hey .22lr is a rimmed cartridge and rimmed cartridges work best in cylinders.

@deecairoli2523

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, and if the pistol is a blow back action, it’s difficult to extract the failed round out of the chamber. A revolver is the way to go. Thanks

Thank you!

Good discussion. My wife has an SR22 on her side of the bed and I have a .357 on my side. The SR22 is my favorite to shoot.

@EgardWatches

2 жыл бұрын

The sr22 is a breeze to shoot. Great gun.

@nicknguyen1150

9 ай бұрын

I'm more afraid of a guy who carry .22 rarely missed a shot more than a guy with 357 which might hit. You know, it's deadly and could kill. Somehow , if lucky it not killed, it could stop any attackers and help you avoiding lawsuit if someone dead.

I feel like the last three stats are the most important. One Shot Stop is nearly identical. Accuracy is nearly identical. % Actually Incapacitated by One Shot, higher for the 0.22. You have to give it to the smaller caliber. If you choose to use use a 0.22 cal, get magnum rounds, and practice with them. For me, I wish I could find a Poseidon Octo in steel, but for now, I may start looking for a 0.22 cal auto in aluminum.

Great points on all areas on 22 and 9mm to each There own but I would rather have a 22 then a 9mm

.22 is effective its simple to understand why. Cheap ammo means more time training. Almost non existent recoil which means ur likely to put all shots on target even under stress. The bullet expends all of its energy in the target because it enters and stays inside vs a 9 or 40 cal punching a clean hole through you. There are stories of officers with .357 revolvers losing to bad guys that had .22's so they are definitely nothing to play around with. Hell i would pick up my taurus tx22 over my sig p320 in a home defense situation only because the .22 makes less noise and i doubt ill have time to wear ear protection lmao also less chance of overpenetration which is safer for my family and pets.

One thing I would add here as a dad of comepetive shooters down to 9 years is ammo choice in a .22. i think you addressed this in a comment. We dont let them risk their scores on bulk ammo. Cci mini mags, stingers or even cci standard goes boom everytime if it hasn't been kicked around... And were talking tens of thousands of rounds through their 10/22 and tippmann rifles. And their pistols. We intentionally insert plastic 22 rounds so they learn to clear a problem fast. These athletes can hit 5 x 10" steel plates with a .22 in 1.5 seconds from timer beep to done... if it was a single plate? The only time loss is raising the firearm from the beep to the plate. So .3 seconds and as fast as they can then fire. Under 1 second for sure. Some of the same athletes shoot 9mm rifles and pistols in different disciplines. They are fast at that but its almost a zero sum game and they have YEARS of shooting. Into the hundreds of thousands of rounds by then, generally. 1911 in 45 is the slowest and again, these youth athletes have more rounds down range than almost any civilian will in their lifetimes. I would NOT want to be in a two way firiring range at up to 25 yards (very long for self defense pistol) even with our most inexperienced. So new shooters? You may want to listen to this man. Getting Mozambiqued with a .22 is not something anyone is going to walk away from.

i am willing to bet that NOBODY has ever shot a 9mm in self defense in their home or outside, because if you DID, you would downgrade to a 22

@banditoincognito8950

5 ай бұрын

Gangbangers do 9mm all the time

Do you have more gun videos, I just see watches?

.22 rounds allow bullets to bounce around in our skulls, scrambling the brain. Highly recommend for headshots

They’ll make fun of you till they or someone they know gets shot with a .22. It’s the right gun for certain people-especially the elderly, the infirm and those who buy a gun, go to the range once a year and have no intention of developing the necessary skills to be accurate, let alone accurate under pressure.

@EgardWatches

2 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly how i feel. I mostly carry a 9 but i do shoot a lot. Some days i carry a .22. For home defense i feel a shotgun is the most effective personally.

@nicknguyen1150

9 ай бұрын

​@@EgardWatches.22 is enough to immobilize the attacker. You don't want to face a serious lawsuit when taken someone down

Could you make a 9mm inspired watch please 😀..

@EgardWatches

2 жыл бұрын

great idea

I carry a .22 pistol. My 9mm is so heavy and I’m not good at shooting it yet… I love shooting my smith and Wesson M&P .22….

That what I assumed after my first shootout at the range. 9mm is too crazy and I came to assumption that I need something less crazy , easier to handle and more accurate plus much more affordable on ammo

What's ur reliability experience and opinion about the rim firm vs center fire. I love my 22lr kriss vector the gun is much cheaper than 9mm. By the way, of course I have two 9mm too. I am a new gun owner.

@EgardWatches

Жыл бұрын

Rimfire is far less reliable but if you use the right gun with clean fast ammo it won’t jam.

I have a ruger mark 3 and it’s fucking deadly accurate and return to sight picture is absolute unbeatable . That’s my love however my favorite+and edc is .45 H&k compact tactical . Period, .22 is really good though.

@GregiiFlieger

2 жыл бұрын

.45 leaves a heck of allot of smoke in the area…. The whopper of hand firearms but after 5 shots get a fan to clear the room! :-}

C.C. in the great Buckeye state! Get you some 🔫

I have a 8 shot 22 magnum revolver with a 4 " barrel as my carry gun, I thought that choice was the most practical for the rimfire round, first its a revolver which lessens the chance of a dud round causing a failure to fire where I can just pull the trigger again to by pass the defective round ,where a semi auto I couldn't, next it has a 4" barrel to maximize accuracy and velocity and last it is the magnum round which is better than the standard 22LR, Just saying if you choose a 22 LR revolver get one with a 3 or 4 " barrel over a snub nose for the improved accuracy which also gives it a bump in velocity for power.

Very good points! One question, if the head torso accuracy is 76% 22lr v 74% 9x19- The fact that 60% vs 47%, actually incapacitated by 1 shot. Can accuracy really be the explanation? Also, 31% not incapacitated vs13%? 1 in 3! For the 22lr & 1 in 8! With the 9! So what happened to those 1 in 3 folks who couldn’t incapacitate their threat? Sounds like carrying the 22lr , and a 357 5 shot lcr may work ? Kidding.

Well done. Your ammo selection is a big deal, with hollow points less likely to penetrate multiple walls. Your ammo selection for the 22 is also important. One of the big difference is the ammo for the 9mmm is far more reliable than that of the 22. For self-defense purposes you should buy higher-quality 22 rounds. Penetration can be a problem if you're living in a cold environment where people are wearing multiple layers of heavy winter clothing. I've seen a lot of studies on 22 headshots and the bullet tends to go under the skin and slide around the head. Paul Harrell KZreadr does some excellent work on penetration of different calibres for those interested. Like you I absolutely love the 22, it's all the things you said and more. For those interested see the story of the cop who carries 147 rounds on KZread. He got in the gunfight I think with a 40 calibre pistol shot the guy 13 or 14 times and the gunfight continued. Within reason, I think you should carry the highest calibre you can shoot properly up to say a 40 calibre. The consensus seems to be a 22 calibre wouldn't be enough maybe A380 minimum. The 22 would also have limitations if for example your barricaded in your house and had to shoot to the door. There was a case of that with a woman protecting her two daughters in the bathroom I think she shot her 38 through the door 6 X hitting the assailant in the face. He went down to his vehicle drove away and died later. Excellent post much appreciate it I think the 22 doesn't get all the love it deserves. Fast reloads would be essential.

I think .380 is a great round for minimum recoil and it still packs a punch. I carry 9mm too but .380 is great also

@EgardWatches

2 жыл бұрын

.380 is unbelievable yes. Totally agree.

I agree

Great video. But get a mic bro. Thanks.

As far as I'm concerned, whatever blows a bigger hole in them the better. People who have the nerve to come into your house to either steal or harm anyone in it deserve whatever disentigrated organs they get. Edit: That's a fantastic looking Ruger.

@EgardWatches

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! One of my all time favorite looking guns.

@kylefer

2 жыл бұрын

@@EgardWatches No Joke Man after watching your video I looked up the mk4 on ruger's website about 20 minutes later here I get on Amazon and Amazon is suggesting me gun holsters, tired of big Tech up in our business.

@EgardWatches

2 жыл бұрын

@@kylefer retargeting is pretty intense lately but i know that some laws passed preventing Facebook from doing it without consent.

Everybody engage in this discussion without discussing different ammunitions or barrels.

Unless a vital organ is it, the best caliber is the caliber that has the most rounds on target. At ten yards can the average concealed carry person put five rounds on target in a stressful situation? Not

Agreed

WRONG. You NEVER shoot to deter or injure. You only shoot in situations causing great bodily harm or death and you shoot to kill. PERIOD.

@EgardWatches

2 жыл бұрын

yes... You shoot to kill... it's not always the result... in many cases the result is injury which is statistically as equally effective as a deterrent.

@samchristo1745

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, always shoot to kill but if those shots don’t kill but deter? same difference… in most self defense situations any caliber can save your life…

@rwdchannel2901

7 ай бұрын

@@samchristo1745 If you hit an attacker a few times with .22LR then the attacker is down but not dead you're not supposed to finish the attacker off. Some people act like its their job to be executing criminals.

Agree

I've been a big 9mm fan most of my life and have owned many different brands, but now that i'm older with arthritis issues I'm interested in something with minimal recoil and noise. I just bought a Keltec P-17 and Federal Punch 29 gr ammo (which is the only current 22lr ammo marketed as a personal defense round). After watching this video I feel more confident in my purchase 😎

@samchristo1745

8 ай бұрын

I just bought my P17 yesterday and was wondering if the federal punch would work in it because the gun is recommended for use with hotter ammo?

@everready19373

8 ай бұрын

Try CCI Stingers and Velocitors too.

@knokname6466

7 ай бұрын

You may want to hunt up Paul Herrel's video review of .22 ammo selection for self defense. IIRC, the Fed Punch was pretty low on the selection totem pole. But, yes, it is the only ammo currently "listed" as self defense ammo. As Paul says, "You be the judge."

I've bought 3 of your watches. The first one was due to seeing your video supporting first responders, police in particular. It was patriotic during a time when most companies were scared of the "woke" mob. Anyway, you're the kind of business I gladly support, for that reason and your watchs are beautiful and wonderful to wear. I really enjoyed this video. Any weapon you can consistently and accurately deploy under stress is the right tool to save your life or a loved one. I carry a Wilson 9mm EDC X9S but with ammo expensive and hard to get, thinking a 22 might be nice to get more affordable range time in. And as a bonus certainly capable in self defense.

Late 2 the party but 22 can very much travel thru walls like any other round. Smaller round seems good for hd regardless, but it snowballs drywall like crazy just like all the pistol calibers. Counterintuitively the consensus seems to be .223 vmax / frangs are one of few choices that *can actually minimize overpenning drywall much at all, and even then it's still capable of at least a couple rooms worth of drywall, there really isnt any round made yet that fully addresses the pen issue , great tests by supercrammo and other ytubers

@mikem.2078

6 ай бұрын

Could you give some more information on what you mean by 223 vmax / frangs? I understand 223 but what is vmax and frangs, and also what grain (etc) are you recommending?

@bqbhhhh

6 ай бұрын

@@mikem.2078 Vmax is a polymer-tip Varmint round made by several brands anywhere from 40 - 55 grain, designed to fragment on impact with any target or hard surface. Frangible rounds are open-tipped, no jacket, designed to disintegrate on impact, again made by several brands in varying loads. Both of these can still go through at least a few layers of drywall but will start to break up into smaller possibly less lethal pieces while also tumbling like a typical 223 bullet. Both offer less penetration than most pistol rounds, buckshot, and other rifle loads while still having good velocity and terminal ballistics in gel tests. Hornady Vmax Superformance are probably the most popular and available in different grains. Look up Supercrammo's channel and other youtubers' tests and do your own research / testing. there are many different brands and loads that are all pretty similar

22 do not infact bounce around in your body lol even without that i still like the penetrantion of federal punch. Great stuff

The idea that the 22 bullet "bounce around" inside the body is just a stupid rumor !

Something I havnt heard yet from anyone advocating for 22lr is the ability of even a child to point shoot it with one hand and have accuracy since you can practice in all awkward poaitions alot aince a rape or kidnapping attack is uaually a close quarter fight and your using your other hand to wrestle and also you may set up your own ahooting range at home with a 22 and a silencer with worring about the neigjbors nor big powerful unpredictable rounds and no need for ear proteccion

Carry what u shoot best.

Hi, what is the 22 caliber gun in this video?

@gooberclown

Жыл бұрын

Ruger Mark 4.

@SwallCloud

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

Shoot a .22 and shoot a 9mm. Decide for yourself which one you feel comfortable with. Nobody knows but you.

@EgardWatches

Ай бұрын

Best advice 🙏🏼

@ACommenterOnYouTube

Ай бұрын

Every person that i have trained, they all enjoy the 22LR over the 9mm. Even with a HEAVY framed 9mm with minimal recoil, its still more harsh than my 22LR ... When i go to the range, i will shoot off 200 rounds of 22LR thru my Keltec P17 .... I can mag dump it and maintain a 2-3 inch group at 30 ft. With my 9mm guns that i rotate out at the range, ill go thru 3 mags, maybe 4 at most with each gun. 9mm are great, they are just harder hitting guns and require more grip and handling and more time to re-aquire the red dot on the target.

From what (I) study about the 22 caliber used for protection against human-n- animals, the 22 has killed more people than any other caliber, it is used to kill wild hogs as will as pigs it also used to control small wild life such as coyotes, 22 magnum is very popular for a lot of people for home defense and farmers n ranchers with a little training with a 22 you can put a shot on center/ human or target with less recoil.

Abba...lootly 👍

I’ll stick with CCI ammunition for my 22 LR’s thank you very much

@EgardWatches

7 ай бұрын

As long as it’s supersonic i don’t find my ammo jamming. It’s that slower LR ammo that gets stuck

Buy a wireless mike. Your audio will be much better. Thanks

I would not dissuade someone from using a .22 for self defense or carry, but I will take issue with one statement: the .22 does not ricochet around the body. It may in some instances, but tests have shown that as a norm, it does not. However, the statement does give the user a bit more confidence in their chosen round. The biggest issue with .22 is choosing the wrong load and misfires due to primer loading. Anecdotally, there are doctors who say they see more deaths from.22 than any other round. For further discussion, check the FBI (can we really believe THEM?) records.

.45.

Paul Harell proved that the ricocheting is b.s., I also don’t believe those stats where .22 is more effective. I’m a believer that it’s effective, but not more effective, no way. But many of the other things are true. He sound, the ability to stay on target etc.

You forgot to mention that 22's are far more susceptible to locking up due to loose grip than a 9mm, and in most cases under the nervousness of a home invasion or a life or death situation most people will not hold the grip properly and this causing a misfire that can and will threaten your life. 9mm as all firearms have the same issue but it is far more common on 22LR's.

I’ve been saying this for a while. I can put 4 or 5 rounds on target with a .22 accurately far quicker than with a 9mm. My only issue with the rimfire cartridge is the rate of misfire so you have to match your firearm and ammo very well. I’ve experience up to about 40% misfires with bad ammo in a .22. Once that’s sorted .22 is great.

@robertclark972

6 ай бұрын

The reliability issue of rimfire ammo makes me drop it from consideration for self defense . .22 ammo is dirtier , affecting the firearms function , more cleaning is necessary. More force is needed from the hammer ,which usually means a stiffer trigger . This guy has some great points , but the"internal ricochet" idea is myth . .22 slugs will change directions , become deflected and tumble . A .32 S&W Long from a pistol has roughly the same fpe as .22 lr from a rifle barrel but making a larger hole . Not much recoil . I have heard from policemen and security guards that in practice with .22 magnum as their backup piece that they had not ever experienced a misfire , I would feel safer with that . Many new options these days in both hardware and ammo, I wish I could explore them all .

@cluckbent6466

6 ай бұрын

"I’ve experience up to about 40% misfires with bad ammo in a .22. Once that’s sorted .22 is great." -it won't get sorted out, its rim fire, good for plugging rats, snakes, soda cans but not self defense.

10-22 ALL DAY! 👍💪

Ruger LCR 22lr yes, maybe. No way would I depend on any rimfire semi auto. No Way! If you want semi auto ,you need a 9mm. 22lr can be deadly but it's only reliable in a revolver for EDC.

You said you're interested in doing less damage and that's what 22 does, but then you also say it does MORE damage and bounces around..? What? Also the one reason i don't think 22 is good for self defense (and other stuff aside hunting) is that they are a lot more prone to jamming. I'd prefer .25 or .32 because they don't have the rim jam magnet and more power to cycle properly, possibly with blunt or rubber tips... Or a rubber bullet 45 with a compensator. OR a s&w governor with shotgun or rubber shells, or any other load depending if you want more or less damage

@KeithC0351

6 ай бұрын

The reliability argument is such a bunch of garbage now days! Bulk pack ammo, yes! But you use good quality .22 ammo like CCI, Federal Punch, etc. and it’s just as reliable as center fire! Especially out of a double action revolver.

@mkzhero

6 ай бұрын

@@KeithC0351 it's not as much about the ammo as it is about the shape, anything with a rim is just less reliable in semi automatic mechanisms. For a revolver or single action, yes, it doesn't matter, well, if the ammo's decent

What’s the science behind how a smaller lighter projectile (22lr) could be more fatal then a bigger more powerful larger projectile like a 9mm? Doesn’t make sense…

@Jamee-jg7qr

6 ай бұрын

@9:46 The 22lr bullet is more likely to stay in the body and bounce around hitting Vital organs. There's also less recoil which means better control and a quicker shot. Imagine 3 or 4 22LR bullets entering a body.

@cluckbent6466

6 ай бұрын

you're right, it's a clickbait video that's gonna get some glassjaws, or women killed. 22 is for plugging rats or soda cans.

I don't really understand the debate. Reason for 9mm is higher capacity and shorter range. Shorter range is a feature, not a knock for home defense. Unless you're living in like a palatial home measured in acres, the only issue with the longer range is gonna be when you miss and you don't want range for misses. As for the real world data, I think its partly self-selection. Like you said, its counter to what people expect. Because the people who go for 9 mm is most people, hence much more data. The people using 22 lr for self defense are people who are more likely to know what they're doing or hunting rifles. Either is fine, the most important part is the shooter.

@ACommenterOnYouTube

6 ай бұрын

80% of gun shot wounds are from 22. Most criminals interviewed said that they used 22 because it was cheap and easy to fire and they could get more rounds off at the same target over a 9mm.

22LR is ~10 cents per round and weighs ~36 grains 9mm is ~30 cents per round and weighs ~115 grains Both rounds CAN kill someone.

Bella twin in 1953 killed a Grizzly 🐻 bear over 1,000 pounds think about a human weight 9 times left🤔🤔.

Rimfire has about a 3% failure rate. I'd say center fire has a .1% failure rate or less. That's based off my range sessions and several YT videos testing reliability. When my life is tested, I think .1 is better than 3. Just my opinion of course. If adrenaline kicks in you could shoot a 45 and probably not know the difference. Easy way to decide what to carry is would you rather be shot by a 9mm in the leg or a 22 lr. Trust me 9mm doesn't recoil enough where you are incapable of followup shots unless you're grandma? What do you think would cause more damage? Honestly this guy looks like he has decent upper body strength. If he can't handle a 9mm then he is doing something wrong. People ate killed by rope strangulation and we don't put that on the list. Dieing in the hospital 3 days later from infection should count as a fatality. Death at time of being actually shot should. Watch Paul Harrell videos to dispell "some" of these myths, like the bounce around theory.

@EgardWatches

2 жыл бұрын

High velocity good quality rimfire definitely doesn’t have a 3% failure rate…. It’s notorious for its failure rate when people use bad ammo and or certain firearms but I’ve shit thousands of rounds through my mark 4 and had almost no failures. I shoot 9s with no issue but I’m in the range a lot and train a lot. Most people don’t. Recoil on a 9 vs a .22 is quite significant and for some it’s the better choice. Statistics are what they are whether you agree or disagree. Most beginner shooters are turned off by shooting because they feel pressure to shoot a higher caliber they aren’t comfortable with.

@EgardWatches

2 жыл бұрын

Also your analogy of where you would want to be shot isn’t accurate… statistics show it’s irrelevant which caliber you are shot with as attackers statistically speaking will flee regardless at that point. A more accurate analogy is would you rather have the .22 you can hit center mass with 3 times in a row or the 9 you hit the leg with.. because for many people who aren’t putting in the time that’s the difference.

@FoulPet

2 жыл бұрын

@@EgardWatches So all police and military forces around the world should go with 22 short for pistols, 22LR for rifles and 22 mag for sniping. Further research into bullet technology is irrelevant based on current statistics.I can do you a favor and buy all your outdated ammo and several of your firearms at a reduced cost. You can keep the 22s.

@EgardWatches

2 жыл бұрын

​@@FoulPet i am unsure how to make it more clear as you simply want to avoid listening and just repeat things that aren't even being discussed.... Law enforcement do in fact spend a lot of time in the range, they train, their ammo is covered by and large... and their function is totally different than a civilian... If you like 9mm than use it... that doesn't change the statistics and facts... and .22 is a great round for a lot of people. I don't like cyclical debates where someone simply ignores points being made just to throw out a random comment that has nothing to do with anything as you just did. Much like why historically assasins have used .22 for close quarter kill shots that needed to be silent... including mossad...

@EgardWatches

2 жыл бұрын

@@FoulPet and military don't rely on 9 so i am unsure why you even mentioned them... of all the rounds fired by military around the world i am pretty sure that 5.56 and 7.62 would be far more common than 9.... so should every civilian walk around with an M4 or AK?

You had a good video going here up until where you said 22's bounce around in people. Of course they can be deflected like any other round but if they had the energy to, bounce around as you say, they would have the energy to exit. The notion they, bounce around in a target is one of the biggest myths ever told

@EgardWatches

9 ай бұрын

I spoke to my friend who works in the ER and he said the internal damage from .22's is often multi faceted because the bullet doesn't have energy to cause an exit wound and tends to stay inside and move around.

Lot of words to say nothing at all.

Some very good points made , after watching many ballistic tests clothing is a big factor, hollow points get clogged with clothing and don't work as intended in both 22 and 9 . The standard 12+ inches of penetration can be achieved with both rounds. The biggest factor is reliability of the firearms and the ammo, the 9 is more reliable than 22 . The 22 being the dirtier cartridge requires that the firearm be cleaned and maintained in perfect working order for the best chance in reliability. Learning to overcome recoil of the 9 can be achieved with training, however with painful arthritis like I have it does still hurt to shoot. Choosing a full size heavier firearm helps with this condition, the Beretta compact all metal construction is much more forgiving than the Glock model 19 for soaking up recoil, the Glock model 43x considered the perfect carry size is hell to shoot for My hands although I can shoot it very well. One very important point I've heard is, No one being shot at says, hey what size caliber are you shooting at me with , is that a 22 or a 9 ? 😂 What really matters is your training and the ability to land shot's on center of MASS....FAST . AVOID SITUATIONS AT ALL COST THAT PUT YOU IN HARMS WAY PERIOD ! 🤠 Lawyer fee's will take everything you have even if it's a perfect case , remember that !

I'll put it this way: I would not recommend a .22 to anyone who needs a recommendation on what to carry.

@EgardWatches

2 жыл бұрын

Would love to hear why!

@michaelhorning6014

2 жыл бұрын

@@EgardWatches because anyone needing recommendations is likely not experienced/knowledgeable/skillful enough to use the .22 with full understanding of its advantages and disadvantages. The stats you cite are likely skewed because the 9mm is used by many people of widely varying skill levels, while the .22 is more likely to be carried for defense by more skilled/experienced people.

@EgardWatches

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelhorning6014appreciate the conversation. So you believe that’s the differentiating factor?

Yeah, a target pistol with the red dot and iron sight 9 mm not even close rimfire is not reliable but now I would not want to get shot by either one thumbs down

I agree that the 22 gets a bad rap as a self-defense caliber and you make some valid points, but there are going to be better options for many people, and the vast majority of knowledgeable people would say the same. Most importantly, the reliability of rimfire is being overstated here. Yes, keep a clean weapon and yes, buy quality ammo - you will still not approach the reliability of center-fire. That said, use the caliber that you can train and shoot most effectively. But, “effectively” is not a matter of pinpoint accuracy only, though; most people are going to shoot a 22 at least a bit more rapidly and perhaps more accurately than larger calibers, but we are not in match competition shooting circles. If one can’t train much, or has physical limitations in grip, racking the slide, or recoil management, the 22 is a nice option. The modern 380 can also be an excellent choice.

With any 22 round the most important thing is the hammer strike, and using a premium round. The tx 22 makes the hardest hammer strike that i have seen. Be safe

A 19 minute video on 22lr vs 9mm… What’s next an apples vs orange video 😂