When we all rely on camera processing, there's no reliable way to measure and judge "better" anymore, but this is a leading issue in a lot of neural network and AI tech. Developers can always guide it, but who decides what and how decisions are made when a chunk of those decisions aren't and can't be made by humans (devs or users)? We're living in strange times.

@JmKrokY

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

@ImaginarySpace

Жыл бұрын

I would guess at least some companies run tests similar to what MKBHD did to figure out what style people like most. Other companies might just rely on for example some photography professionals opinion. Some might do both.

@FreshTillDeath56

Жыл бұрын

Mamoru Oshii was onto something.

@niveZz-

Жыл бұрын

it's been like this since years tho when it comes to smartphone cameras

@mcgullible5212

Жыл бұрын

This has nothing to do with AI lol. There was never a way in the first place to judge what arbitrary configuration is the best. Marques prefer the look on the iPhone, maybe someone in Asia will prefer the look of the Xiomi. None of these strategies is "better" than the other.

From 3:57 to 4:12, he explains the high sensitivity ,noise reduction, sharpening and over processing of images, not only verbally but also by changes in the video to help the viewer understand it visually as well! That's brilliant! 😁

@Johnny2Feathers

Жыл бұрын

Omg I can’t believe it either .. Wow just Wow 😂

@hungryalien

Жыл бұрын

thats mkbhd for ya :D

@dinkarfowkar999

Жыл бұрын

I love how much attention for detail is put for a KZread video

@banrakum979

Жыл бұрын

also did not notice, very nice

@RickyDrk

Жыл бұрын

Efforts 🔥👏

This is prime journalism. This amount of attention to details, story telling is really world class. Thanks Marques for showing the meaning of being a master of your craft.

@dragonsaige

Жыл бұрын

What prime journalism lol? He conducted supposedly scientific tests, and then completely ignored the results to call iphone the best camera

@hamzawaykonect2016

Жыл бұрын

@@dragonsaige then he made a video to talk about iphone camera problem xD

@vyrnmn

Жыл бұрын

@@dragonsaige Congratulations on completely missing the point as explained in this video.

@vyrnmn

Жыл бұрын

@Darkfarfetch what exactly is "woke skin tone"?

@alfonsobossi1402

Жыл бұрын

​@@dragonsaige lol sometimes i say to myself why am i not a ytuber, literally you can find your own flock of sheeple (no off3nc3 to any1) and make money out of them, all you gotta do is tell them what they want to hear, even not, you will eventually find another flock that will like what they are hearing.... I am not talking about this guy specifically (actually puts some work in the video, watched him and others to decide which phone to take as an upgrade) but in general.

This video explains a lot. When I moved from the iPhone 8 Plus to the 12 Pro, I was convinced the 8 Plus took better photos. Now I know why - because they were processed a lot less. Apple really needs to up its camera game. What looks good in a lab will be very different in real-world photography scenarios. Why compute at all - we should have full control over editing or leaving the pic in its original form.

@wasabisushiiii

Ай бұрын

same and its so annoying

I've come to deeply appreciate how you explain these topics. I do I.T. and I find myself overexplaining pretty often and accidentally confusing people by trying to be too clear. You have mastered the art of teaching without overwhelming the listener. Thanks for everything you do!

@billaddison82

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree. Excellent comment!

@proximacentaur1654

Жыл бұрын

Very true. Definitely a good skill if you need to engage with non-technical audiences professionally. Getting the idea across cleanly and without seeming patronizing.

@Retrosenescent

Жыл бұрын

This comment makes me think you’re on the spectrum

@Justakatto

Жыл бұрын

So true Him and dave2d are really good at explaining things in layman's terms

@the_batmobile0.4

Жыл бұрын

You promote cobalt slavery? Wtf

Very interesting insight! Recently switched from 11 Pro to 14 Pro, and feel like the difference is fairly insignificant (for the purposes for which I use the camera), leading to the question "what is happening with iPhone camera?"

@nohjh93

Жыл бұрын

I switched from 11 pro max to 14 pro. And I feel it’s much better quality of picture and video

@InccubusPWI

Жыл бұрын

O hi didn't expect to find you here

@AlkaVirus

Жыл бұрын

@@nohjh93 that's just your apple brain coping with how much money you wasted by buying an apple product

@emir6110

Жыл бұрын

same. Returning my 14 pro. It's not worth the money

@waiXsKanal

Жыл бұрын

Activate the pro mode. With that enabled the pictures suddenly are insane. The level of detail is unmatched with any smartphone. Also the processing is much different. Especialle with brightness set to -0.3 pictures look superb.

A lot of my friends with newer iPhones often ask me "what phone have you got?!" because my photos are so clear and vibrant. I have an iPhone 11 and I think it takes much better photos than my friends 12s and 13s. After watching this video I think I'm just going to upgrade to an 11 pro.

The blind test sounds like a great idea and entertaining result. More of these tests would be appreciated

I think when you initially purchase a phone, it should have a survey option when setting up the camera app to allow you to pick from photos you prefer over others. Therefore the software can personalize to the user's liking.

@gie3973

Жыл бұрын

This is such a smart idea, a sort of small test , maybe show a variety of photos of different subjects and have you pick through and then calibrate the camera according to your selections.

@auliamate

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Like that's a billion dollar idea right there. Similar to Apple's Photo Styles (or whatever you call it) where you can actually adjust the processing of the photo, but more user-simplified, powerful, and in-depth.

@D1smacK

Жыл бұрын

I would love that function. For the lazy ones you can just add some preset calibrations made from professional photographers

@UnliRide

Жыл бұрын

Quick, patent this before Apple does!

@transoxian

Жыл бұрын

That’s brilliant idea in my opinion

Honestly I hope Marques makes videos forever because these kind of sit down, calm explanations of everything tech is what I am here for

@marcocortez8399

Жыл бұрын

His explication is soothing and at the same time very informative not every body can do that. Sometimes I try to explain it like he does but never get it across like he does. It's his natural niche.

@Homieto

Жыл бұрын

With the way AI innovation is going, he might very well continue making videos forever as a digital avatar or something similar

@OrdinaryCritic

Жыл бұрын

Petition to make Marques immortal.

@mohamedlalabouali7017

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree 👍

@espirituvalentino

Жыл бұрын

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Yep! A great explanation for why I have to manually adjust every iPhone photo I take in order for the image to come out as I would like. Generally I find the phone prefers over exposure to light everything in frame, and in the process loses so much mood and subtlety. Almost every shot I take requires a tap on the brightest part of the screen and then further decreased exposure by a step or two from there. Said in another way, the photos are not just photons and camera processing, but also user processing. Not to mention any post-processing (which I personally avoid).

Thank you man for making this video. It helps me confirm I'm not seeing things lol. I have both an iPhone 14 pro and Pixel 6A. I find myself reaching for my 6A for photo taking most every time. Especially low light. The 14 pro does major over processing in 48mp mode with low light situations. It's terrible. I have to turn off, so to speak, the 48mp res for low light. The 6A just works, love it.

"Partly Photons, but Primarily Processing" is the most eloquent way of explaining modern smartphone cameras that I've ever heard. Great video, Marques.

@mylokins

Жыл бұрын

I liked the quadruple P's, but coulda have been a quintuple with just the standard Peace straight after. "Partly Photons, Primarily Processing...Peace".

@vaudou74

Жыл бұрын

but when it s primarily photons and partly processing (or not proc), phones camera get shot down ( xperia line) by almost everyone...so.....processing is the trend.

@Superknullisch

Жыл бұрын

@@vaudou74 I get what you're trying to get at, but nope! Old Pixels and Sony Xperia 1 mk 2, 3 and 4 takes the best most naturalistic true to life photos hands down. Because both the new Pixels, Samsungs and iPhones have an over sharpening, an over saturation, an over exposure and an over processing in general issue! And not a small one.. And regarding the iPhones in particular.. They always had this strange off putting green/yellow tint/tone as far as I can tell. Maybe not so much on the first three or four models, but from then on for sure, as far as I can remember. It has become better. I.e. less of an issue with every new model. But it's still there. Oh, and you forgot to mention that btw! In fact.. correct me if I'm wrong here.. But I don't think that MKBHD ever mentioned it. And pretty much no other tech reviewer either. Anyhow.. that green/yellow tone/tint is horrendous! And the damn phone seems to add it to every picture by default.. yyiiiikes! Makes all people look like they are being seriously ill/sea sick, lol! And let's not even start venturing into the "beauty-mode-by-default-smoothing-China phones".. 🥴😖😫😫

What’s happening is they will still sell in unimaginable numbers with no end in sight

@en_vy

Жыл бұрын

I hate how Apple won't release imessage on androids

@mitchellsteindler

Жыл бұрын

@@en_vy I have an android...I've never struggled to message anyone lol

@ElectricC0mpany

Жыл бұрын

Yes they sell so much because it is a status symbol. Even though, like his tests prove, people don't prefer the camera. For stills at least. If other phones like pixel could catch up in the video department things could change.

@HoodHussler

Жыл бұрын

@@en_vy we need good competition because as of now we are losing fast! Look at flagship phone prices now versus a few years ago it’s turning into the Nvidia gpu prices situation but getting worse

@AJ-yc3bl

Жыл бұрын

@@en_vy Switch.

This the smartest, clearest, most well done explanation of smartphone image processing I've heard on KZread. Kudos.

@Yourfavsummerr

2 ай бұрын

Do not interact with them

This was a really done video. Insane how machine learning / ai has significantly tuned captures to perceived quality.

I think you’re correct with this. I personally wish we could get more of the “preview” pic vs what the post processing pics look like. Take a sunset pic for example, they look different on the preview vs what actually saves to the camera roll (iPhone 14 pro max). This works well on some pics but I’d prefer the most natural / real looking pic myself.

@GongChaLover

Жыл бұрын

Probably has to do with the fact that you think what’s shown to you on the screen looks perfect when you hit the shutter button

@Anankin12

Жыл бұрын

The Pixel has an option to "save as preview"

@mynameisben123

Жыл бұрын

How do you see the preview on iPhone?

@junoperberry

Жыл бұрын

@@Anankin12 so does samsung

@junoperberry

Жыл бұрын

@@Anankin12 but I think it might just be for the selfie cam Im not quite sure

Cheers for including a clip from our blind camera comparison! I personally agree about the iPhone not necessarily improving lately for photos. I was just chatting with a friend who says he now shoots video and pulls frame grabs from that for his photos because of how much better it looks, overall. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@LeesReviews69

Жыл бұрын

Between watching the video and seeing you comment, I’m subscribing

@adammorgan1083

Жыл бұрын

I’ve thought for a while that my iPhone’s video quality looks better than the photo quality, and could never figure out why. Nice to see someone find this to be true as well.

@MrRichy48

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree, especially in darker scenes! The iPhone 14 Pro night mode looks like a pixelated oil painting now.

@josuastangl7140

Жыл бұрын

I saw someone doing a Camera A B Test between the 14 Pro and an iPhone 7 and the 7 genuinely won at least for video, because the 14 Pro is just oversharpened and the 7 was pleasantly soft with enough detail, which is just what you want in a video camera

@mettakindness5999

Жыл бұрын

Is Apple likely to improve this with future versions of iOS? Could the iPhone 13 with iOS 17 improve upon this (having more accurate light representation instead of lighting up the entire face of a person) since its just a software thing or would I need to get a new phone?

Marques...your team and you, are making one of the most educational and easy to understand technical videos on KZread. Great work.

What a review. Learnt so much about the camera system. Thank you!

I’m not happy with the focusing distance of the 14 Pro. I had a much easier less frustrating photo taking experience with the 11 Pro I upgraded from. Not to mention the 14 Pro screen I’ve had for 2.5 months has way more scratches on it than the 11 Pro that I had for 3 years… it’s taken several steps back this generation

@lucasnunes4006

Жыл бұрын

Just use a screen protector

@moealhakani7005

Жыл бұрын

In terms of the focusing distance, it’s because of the larger sensor. Try up close ultrawide photos or step back and take a 2X shot

@PvtAnonymous

Жыл бұрын

well, at least you paid the non-inflated price for this one. I, as a European, upgraded from my 11 Pro Max to a Pixel 7 Pro, partly because of increased prices (1449€/$ for the base 14 Pro Max). I don't know how I would feel if I actually spent that kind of money on a worse experience ^_^'

@Cataclysm00

Жыл бұрын

Scratches💀…bro that’s a you problem get a damn screen protector and this is with any phone or even any device and just be careful and there should be no scratches 😂🤣everything else you said was fine but the scratches is a human error

@brady3319

Жыл бұрын

Why don't you have a screen protector

So, I’m an audio engineer as well as an artist, & I can say that the same saturation of processing is happening in the audio world just as much as the visual. Over processed vocals or photos are never good 🎈

@MennoNeher

Жыл бұрын

Autotune! Ugh!

@crieverytim

Жыл бұрын

What do you guys think of Dolby's audio recording app? As a musician who uses those recordings to record sketches of songs, I'm quite impressed

@gemstown

Жыл бұрын

@@MennoNehernot autotune in a lot of circumstances. you can usually tell if the autotune is supposed to be intentional. if you’re left guessing whether they want you to hear it or not, that’s a bad autotune job

@PWingert1966

Жыл бұрын

And Auto tune has gotten so ubiquitous that you don't know what a singer's voice actually sounds like anymore.

@zy1058

Жыл бұрын

Not the same at all lmao

I couldn't have agree more! Well done and loving this video you and the team put together. thank you M.

Your videos have been WAY MORE philosophical lately... I love them! Keep it up

The interesting part in the blind test for me was how important accurate representation of dark skin tone is. I spent a lot of time between images asking "Which one is more accurately representing the tone of Marques' skin?" because some were absolute trash, and that was the easiest thing for me to differentiate in pictures.

@LJdaentertainer

Жыл бұрын

Nice talk chat GPT

@CarlJohnson-iv7sn

Жыл бұрын

That's the weird part. What if have never seen mkbhd in real life.

@planefan082

Жыл бұрын

@@CarlJohnson-iv7sn I'd imagine someone with such a high production value would colour-correct their skin tone in videos.

@wetpaperbag1346

Жыл бұрын

@@LJdaentertainer bro this is how I talk. I took it really personally when I played around with ChatGPT and it's writing read exactly like every essay I've ever written.

@patrick.771

Жыл бұрын

And that’s also the reason why a test with other skin tones will give you completely different results.

This is a Brilliant video. Not only did you break down this complex topic so well, however created & edited the special effects to show people want you are talking about deserves an award

I love the way you talk 😂 its so real doesn't sound forced or over rehearsed or like your reading a script. Sounds so good. I'm a public speaker and I have to say keep up the good work bro

I can’t even explain with words how good this video was!! So informative wow

OMG, I'm glad someone finally brought this to light. I've had iPhone 13 Pro for more than a year. I upgraded from iPhone XS. At first, I was excited about the camera performance, especially in low light. However, then I started noticing the heavy processing mentioned in the video and unnatural subject overexposing. Also, any photos with high contrast scene look like a very bad HDR overprocessing. As a result, despite having a phone with incredibly capable camera sensor and lens (we would've only dreamed of this 5 years ago), many of my photos just look like overprocessed rubbish. It feels absolutely crazy to me that there's not way to turn these "smart" background processes. Now I would much prefer my photos the way they come straight out of camera just on my old iPhone XS. I don't think this is this really what Apple wanted to achieve with this? Well, perhaps the issue will get elevated since it's getting more attention. Thanks for bringing this to light Marques!

@allanojeda4629

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know why this was never mentioned before

@YariJaluff

Жыл бұрын

Same here with iPhone 14 Pro. The AI image processing is doing worst than ever with this new module even when RAW Is Turned on. Image sharpening is way off, HDR is too agressive and low Light photos are noisy with no texture. Ultra wide camera is much worst than main

@MariusVirgilConstantin

Жыл бұрын

You are right! They look so overprocess. I have a Sony mirroles camera as well and the difference is night and day betwen them. They need to solve this problem, no one want’s a photo that process, it dosn’t look real. If you have rare hair, the HDR is so agressive that you see trew the hair like crazy.

@MB-uw8xb

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree. Sometimes I refer to even taking a picture in certain scenarios where I know it’ll just be over edited rubbish. I have the 14 pro max and I haven’t had any good pictures since the X. I really wish you could turn it off.

@madmehtab

Жыл бұрын

Indoor iphone photos are not that good than xiaomi and google pixel

im so glad this is being addressed. nearly every photo i take i look at, and I see the software processing it a couple seconds after and it makes the image look worse in my opinion.

That's why you're the best Marques! Amazing explanation one more time :)))

Did anyone notice he actually did all the things in the video starting from 03:57 while he was speaking on it? Hats off to the creativity!!

This reminds me of someone in a podcast saying that it's increasingly hard to distinguish between good and bad TV series, since when everything looks so good these days you are fooled into thinking the story, acting, everything is good, and you don't understand why you are left with a feeling of emptiness inside after watching it. The same feeling is increasingly true with watching photography, as images with bad composition, uninteresting subject matter, etc, still look technically perfect and professionally exposed. Technical tools aimed to help laypeople get better result end up creating this eerie unnaturally "perfected" version of reality, largely devoid of anything interesting.

@sadbravesfan

Жыл бұрын

I dunno about that. Lot of people agree the Avatar movies are the best looking movies of all-time but have mediocre stories.

@muumarlin1731

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you're spot on!

@smansab59

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmusil1107 I would like to add a similar title, Project I.G.I. I mean the graphics are not even close to newer FPS games but, man, the storyline is so well put together that the game feels like a "real" mission and not some senseless dogfight. Some other titles could include Stronghold: Crusader, Age of Empires II and such games.

@garagemonkey526

Жыл бұрын

A little grain, and dirtiness really help ground the photo in reality, maybe it’s why polaroids are so popular as it often encapsulates your experience with that moment.

@arcticfox037

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmusil1107 BattleBit is a decent example

This might be my favorite video of yours and I’ve been watching since the OG days. As a professional photographer, I’ve always had trouble explaining to others that the phone camera test doesn’t mean much to me because of several different factors. There is just so much that goes into what I personally look for in a photo that an average person doesn’t understand because they’re simply looking at the final processed photo and that’s it. Thanks for making a video I can share with orhers!!

@enterlematrix

Жыл бұрын

Copy and paste and this was my exact thinking. I love this guy. He's so on it.

@Al.j.Vasquez

Жыл бұрын

Yep, also, reduce the resolution and size of the photos, and you're left out with the first impression.

@purplechimkin3404

Жыл бұрын

This leads to a very interesting debate on what's "good" and what's "liked", and why what's "good" is considered so and why the qualities you judge things on (and perhaps most experts judge things on) have to be different from what the common mass judges things on.

@Gjd94

Жыл бұрын

Meat rider

@KamilG225

Жыл бұрын

@@Gjd94 hmm. Weird.

Marques, Thank you for explaining this problem and the process of how a smart phone camera works. It’s really helpful……please keep making great videos.

Definitely appreciate the depth this video goes into when examining real life vs what the camera produces! I'm currently on a very conservative budget as I've just recently begun my journey into making content. I use an outdated iPhone SE 1st gen as my actual phone, and I use an iPhone SE (2nd gen) as a dedicated camera (no sim card) for when I want to capture video in the outside world, and use a Razer Kiyo Pro for my at-home / online adventures. Something I notice with the iPhone SE (2nd gen) is that when I zoom in, it feels like the quality of the picture or video suffers immensely. Eventually I'll upgrade and I am hoping the newer Iphones retain a lot of detail even when zoomed in! I can't afford the latest and greatest but I'm stilled impressed with how quickly the camera technology in our smartphones improves, and how if you just wait a few years you can get some serious bargains on refurbished iphones! The older I become the more I can't stomach handing over top dollar just to have the latest and greatest, just to watch how you can buy it a couple years later for a small fraction of the price! Thanks for the useful info! Great video! Godspeed and God bless!

This explains a lot. Just recently I was using a Pixel 4a, while my daughter has a 13 Pro. We both love taking photos, usually with a lot of people in the shot and everyone, *everyone* including me kept getting blown away how the 4a's photos could perform toe to toe in terms of image quality, sometimes even better and all of the time when it comes to low light shots. A few weeks ago I made the move to a 14 (regular). Although the camera experience is better (and the ultra wide is awesome).. I cant help but compare its photos back to my 4a and prefer those.

@infinitysaiyan

Жыл бұрын

Buy pixel 7 or wait for our dear pixel 8❤️💯⚡⚡⚡

@markowalski1

Жыл бұрын

I think something is wrong with my Pixel 4a because it takes some of the worst photos I've ever seen on a smartphone from the past 5 years. Compared to my family who also own a 4a or other Pixel model

@simardmg

Жыл бұрын

@@markowalski1 reset

@Student0Toucher

Жыл бұрын

@@infinitysaiyan No he should just wait for the iphone 16 or 17

@Monkey_11

Жыл бұрын

🧢 they’re terrible

I like your channel because you dont just "review" and "compare" but also give analysis data, and reasons, even researching physics and engineering behind it.

@rrrr2150

Жыл бұрын

be for real there is zero technical explanation in this video lmfao the dickriding is crazy. It's a good video but nothing like you mentioned

Sir, you have done an excellent job of explaining. Much appreciated. Well done !!!

Exactly this happened with my friend. He had iphone 14 pro max on a trip but did not like overprocessed photos at all. He was more pleased with my 2016 $250 pocket camera as it gave very realistic image with details and some real depth effects.

I really want to focus on what Marques is talking about but just simply amazed at how the editing team of this channel is mind blowing. The quality of production, the simplicity yet when you think deeply, you realized that it was really complex. Now I know the reason why MKBHD don’t upload as often as any other channel does because one MKBHD video is produced meticulously. Simply mind blown! 🤯

The blind test was great, kudos MKBHD. I have both the Pixel 7 Pro and the 14 Pro Max and use both on a daily. Yeeeaaaahh, while the 14 Pro Max has it's strengths, if you wanted to just take a photo, dang the 7 Pro is something else. Like iPhone isn't bad whatsoever, it just needs tuning.

@neilmcguinness4422

Жыл бұрын

You are doing well @HelloHorizon having the world's best photography phone for your photos and the world's best video phone for your videos. Happy days for you bro. 👍

I'm a photographer and I've used iPhones often with great results. My 12 Pro was incredible and always reliable. Got the 14 Pro about a month ago and I'm not pleased at all.

@remyd8767

Жыл бұрын

Its been 5 months. Are you better pleased now with iphone?

@jimcappelletti9788

Жыл бұрын

@@remyd8767 Not really. The photos come out looking overly processed. Night photos are complete crap. But, I will say that the video is quite impressive....I don't make many videos but it's really good and the in camera stabilization is amazing. Not impressed with the photos.

@ThatShitGood

10 ай бұрын

@@jimcappelletti9788yea night mode is terrible, specially if there’s faces in photo

@stam7250

10 ай бұрын

​@@jimcappelletti9788have you used the 13 ?

@PSy84

10 ай бұрын

@@jimcappelletti9788if you’re a photographer…use Pro RAW for photos. If you have problem with file size…there is a shortcut that can be downloaded to minimize that size

Your videos are always so informative and well made 🙌

I am glad this is getting highlighted by tech reviewers like Marques. Hope Apple takes note and gets this fixed ASAP.

@lernmor2137

Жыл бұрын

If it doesn't hurt their stock price, they won't care.

I’m a professional photographer & cinematographer. I was always decently satisfied with my iPhone 12’s camera for what it was. Never expected much out if it. But man, I just picked up the 14 pro and I could not be more disappointed. Bad post processing, blurry edges on one of the lenses, trouble focusing, the list goes on.

@dgbrownnt

Жыл бұрын

I get great results, but I don't use the iPhone's processing. I export from Photos using File > Export > Export Unmodified Original For X Photo(s), then import into Lightroom Classic. Doing it that way (when shooting with the 1x camera in RAW mode) gets detail that's approaching mirrorless cameras. I'm pretty sure this is what most photographers are doing when reviewing the camera.

@jonassilva4350

Жыл бұрын

From the iPhone photo app?

@kingsalmon7686

Жыл бұрын

CHINESE JUNK ?

@JMurph2015

Жыл бұрын

@@dgbrownnt my dude, that's some sad mirrorless camera if the iPhone RAWs are close to it at all. The iPhone is still not close to a good APS-C body with a good lens on it, much less the full-frame options. That being said, people have been getting so used to smartphone photos that it takes someone actually taking a closer look to tell the difference.

@jordanian4477

Жыл бұрын

I had iPhone 12 pro amazing phone honestly best I’ve had, I switched to iPhone 14 pro in November I returned it a week later the focus issues was a big reason, apples changes aren’t for the better, the focal distance honestly made me hate the device and the dynamic island just isn’t great. I switched back to iPhone 12 pro and couldnt be more happy

What a great observation and testing. Thumbs 👍👍

Overprocessed, that's the word I've been looking for, and the way you broke it down makes so much sense!

You seriously put out some of the highest quality content around. Just everything about it is fantastic. Keep doing you my man - you kill it.

@SarmadTechLab

Жыл бұрын

Killing is bad

@MarkusKleis

Жыл бұрын

@@SarmadTechLab Lol. Not in this case. I think there’s a translation issue there 😁

@timothybaraka579

Жыл бұрын

@@SarmadTechLab 😆

@Xenaman

Жыл бұрын

Another ass kisser😔😔😔

@MarkusKleis

Жыл бұрын

@@Xenaman 😂😂😂 People like you are everything that is wrong with this world. I recently discovered his channel and as a fellow creator I find his work extremely impressive and inspirational. I know I appreciate kudos, so why not extend them to him on a job well done? Get out of here with your meaningless negativity.

I'm glad you mentioned this as I've noticed something is definitely up with the 14 Pro camera. Over the last few weeks, I've had a couple times where I take a picture of something indoors and the quality is just...not up to par like it usually would be. Then I grab my Pixel 7 Pro and it captures exactly what I was hoping to get with the 14 Pro. I usually keep the iPhone on me as a reliable way to get a great pic and excellent video at any time, but now I can't really trust it with pics. It'll be P7P for pics and 14 Pro for videos only.

@Joeythecoffeeguy

Жыл бұрын

Just like me 😂

@marcooliveira1421

Жыл бұрын

Same feeling on 13 pro max.

@gr86er

Жыл бұрын

this is the way

@Fly_By_Gaming

Жыл бұрын

Dang you got the newest apple and google phone.

@khandev8126

Жыл бұрын

So you happen to have both these phones ? Yeah !?

What an engaging and excellent video! Thank you Marques!

3:56 to 4:12 was outstanding how he explained and gave you examples all in secs. That's MKBHD for you.

Man, the live changes to the image while explaining the overprocessing was yet another impressive feat of this video, I hope the editor is making as much money as he/she should. Said it once, will keep saying it, this is the best tech channel. I just love this channel!

@the-birdman-of-panama

Жыл бұрын

That was my favorite part, too!

@ZxAMobile

Жыл бұрын

You can rest assured the editor is making bare minimum probably like an average salary of like 60 grand a year maybe 70 grand.

@swiftrealm

Жыл бұрын

@@ZxAMobile "bare minimum" "70 grand" pick one

@IsaacSpeedyBeats

Жыл бұрын

That's not even impressive. The hell?? You literally just insert photos on editing software and add text to. Why impressed with that? Literally every video does picture insertions

Ive seen hundreds of smartphone camera videos and for some reason this one just really helped me understand everything that goes behind the software and what a picture actually is. So thank you very much!

I know you use the default camera app on the phones you test to be able to judge the camera in a way that it will be most used by everyday consumeres, but when it comes to getting the best out of a phone camera do you use third party apps or do you find better results from the pro modes that are build within the default camera app? I ask because i use a OnePlus 7t Pro and find that the best results come from the GCam app, and was curious on your experience and thoughts on this.

I feel like I haven't taken a single photo of myself that i like with my Samsung s20 ultra since I've had it. this video really explains a lot of the reason why. I always feel like it's trying to give me what it thinks I want, instead of taking a picture of what it sees. especially in low light selfie mode. I take photos to remember moments and I want them to look like how they looked in real life, not overprocessed with altered colours!

@eas10c

Жыл бұрын

I have the note20 ultra and I completely agree!! I'm finally upgrading to the s23 ultra this year and I'm hoping they fix all the trees issues I have with the camera

@emmapaplinski3151

Жыл бұрын

@Easton Cornelius I really hope so too! I'm considering that phone for when i upgrade, these camera issues have been a huge reason why i havent upgraded already. I miss my note 8, I loved that phone and the camera so much. sad to hear the note 20 had issues too, damn!

@Youtube-Censorship-Police

Жыл бұрын

same with my s22, the software turned every photo into an ugly overcolored & oversharpened mess. what helped the camera immensely was simply abandoning the stock app and install gcam, there are so many parameters that you can change! after some fine tuning the photos started to look really nice and natural. get gcam and the configs for your phone model you will be amazed.

@JoeOwen

Жыл бұрын

​@@KZread-Censorship-Police Another option to help (specifically with oversharpening) is the Camera Assistant setting that you can access now. It was a labs/galaxy store add on in One UI 5 but now it's built in for 5.1 and you can remove the sharpening processing by setting "Picture Softening" to Medium or High. Compare some images of foliage especially and you will see a world of difference and far more natural looking images!

@Moyaiville_Productions

Жыл бұрын

@@emmapaplinski3151 I notice hardly anyone talks about the S20 Series... Especially the Ultra. Everyone either has/had a base S20, or S20 FE.. The Scene Optimizer is also something you could turn off and the colors then become more natural.. I would also play around with the camera settings a bit as well to get a natural looking image. Samsung is known to give SO MANY features and I think it's best to utilize them while they're there. Pro Mode is also another thing I recommend since you can adjust the colors before even taking the shot. As you might know, there's Expert Raw now so you can take a photo through that and edit it in Adobe Lightroom..

I’m so glad you spoke to this. I just upgraded from the XS to the iphone 14 max pro last month, and was driving me crazy how much it auto enhances the photos. Still a great camera system but I like keeping photos as natural as possible.

@sush2142

Жыл бұрын

It’s not natural at all

@nikthesinger

Жыл бұрын

@@albertocoss734 shot in raw that s it

@_TrueDesire_

Жыл бұрын

shoot Raw or select a preset style and adjust it to your liking.

@XLR8bg

Жыл бұрын

@@nikthesinger RAW is terrible for the average user, it has basically no processing and huge file size, it is meant for photographers that edit the photos later through software like photoshop and lightroom. A much better option is to get a more feature-rich camera app like Halide and tweak it to your liking. It will still produce relative small file sizes and process them to your liking. Apps like that can react much quicker than apple purely because they can release updates every few days, thus they tweak based on feedback at a rapid pace.

@natteft6593

Жыл бұрын

Then you need to buy a real camera, not a sh&thole with a tiny diaphragm. The quality of the image depends on the amount of light absorbed. which is proportional to the lens diameter.

Perhaps in the next blind camera test, include a "control" picture taken with a proper camera (like DSLR) that's meant to be the "accurate" representation of the scene in the picture. That way we can compare the pictures with how they should look like. Or it can be treated just like another regular picture, and from the result we can see if we tend to like certain looks more than the reality itself.

@FelipeVieira-uv3ht

Жыл бұрын

yes!!! this should be done to compare. If not we would be comparing opinions. My blue is not the same as your blue. (remember the gold-white vs. blue-black dress)

@cores163

Жыл бұрын

What if I tell you every DSLR also takes a lot of subjective decisions to create the jpg you are looking at on a screen? On the topic of photo vs reality va objectivity there is a whole library of philosophical books written. It’s all not so easy (but very interesting).

@azaky003

Жыл бұрын

@@cores163 I know, that's why I quote the "accurate" part. it can never be a perfect way to depict reality, but it can be close.

@FlyboyHelosim

Жыл бұрын

The real question is, why hasn't a standard such as this been set and used in all previous camera comparison videos?

@LonneLpp

Жыл бұрын

This should be a top comment

One of the best breakdowns I've enjoyed on a while.

videos like this are the reason you are one of the best creators on the platform

I noticed this problem already with the 13pro. I upgraded in 2021 to the 13pro from 6s and man did it looks insanely over processed. I actually preferred the overall look from my ancient 6s despite the noise and other issues with it. Shame they're still getting it wrong, these are not cheap phones.

Thank you for validating what I have been feeling man. I went from the 13 Pro to the 14 Pro and have found that the regular pictures on the 14 Pro have a ‘blandness’ to them in comparison to the 13 Pro. I have been resorting to either Portrait mode to just recording videos to get those desired results. I’m hoping Apple keeps tweaking the software to get the 14 Pro back on track - in my humble opinion

@andreasbrand3191

Жыл бұрын

@@kingsalvy138 use the ProRAW image and edit it, first dialing down on all the lighting correction.

@J.N88

Жыл бұрын

@@andreasbrand3191 how? In the picture app?

@duderRechthat

Жыл бұрын

If people stopped buying a new phone every year that 'be nice

@davidd577u

Жыл бұрын

All my photos on the 14 pro are blurry

@anthony37860

Жыл бұрын

Why upgrade after a year?

Love this new intro Marques! Keep it up!

The camera is one of the reasons why I'm holding onto my iPhone 11 Pro Max for as long as I can. It seems like the 11 series was a really good sweet spot for iPhone cameras and I don't want to let it go for a camera that's advertised as being "better" but performs worse in real life circumstances.

@BoyInFancySuit

Жыл бұрын

Amin sister!!! I got 14 pro and after shooting editing for a day, give it my wife. Keep my 12 pro. I checked images I post from my XS Max. Even then they look better then new 14 pro. And biggest problem my editing workflow just now working on new iPhone 14 at all. Images to processed. And by trying to desaturated or reduce the contrast or sharpness only make thing worse. So yeah. Not for me for sure.

@BoyInFancySuit

Жыл бұрын

@@future3422in some way maybe. Overall no. But for regular user its for better, no doubt. Especially if you did not upgraded every year or two

@user-vj1nq5vf4y

Жыл бұрын

My iPhone 11 Pro makes everyone looks aged and there’s no depth in my landscape photos. Useless for anything other than screenshots now

@Ohkeh640

Жыл бұрын

@@user-vj1nq5vf4ywhat are you upgrading to I’m using my iPhone 11 still

@sunnydabral

Жыл бұрын

Please throw that junk and get a pixel xD

I've always 'watched' MKBHD videos, but recently I started really 'enjoying' them because of all the little details that raise the bar in production quality. Best tech channel ever.

Great video Marques. I liked how you explained the details of cell phone photography and how different this video was in comparison to your typical review videos. This video was great because you explained something very complex in a very simple, understandable manner to the general public. Happy 2023 to you!

This might be the best and most informative gadget video i have ever seen.

Inspiring. Very well explained. Just crazy

The intro and animations in this video are next level, keep it up Marques!

@jantwehncke1528

Жыл бұрын

Every. Video.

@ImVengance_

Жыл бұрын

I mean it’s the whole team working

@mohamedl.dambri9647

Жыл бұрын

@@rspec122 how tf is this simpin

@junrosamura645

Жыл бұрын

@@rspec122 I swear that there are people who probably only watch the intro and dont care about the content. Its annoying.

Its content like this that makes me a huge fan of your Marques! Love these insights! I encourage you to do more such insightful videos as these videos are what differentiate you from the rest of the tech youtubers - anyone can do a review but only a few can understand and present such insights! Thanks Marques!

Dang! Marques' content is still getting better.. the only one that can beat Marques' content is Marques himself, he is really second to none.

This kind of videos are a clear explanation why you are the very best reviewer

Really enjoying you summing up using alliteration in these recent videos. Every second of your videos show the hardwork you guys are putting in. Keep up the great job.

I know I really regret ditching my iPhone 11 Pro for the 13 Pro. I take lots of pictures of my work, which tend to be very small machine components. The camera on the 11 worked really well for this. I could get super clear photos that were extremely detailed. The 13 looks just as you said- over processed. I like the 3D scanner on the 13, but it’s not worth the camera downgrade.

@df4196

Жыл бұрын

turn on the native 40 megapixel setting

@dennyyohanes8677

Жыл бұрын

Do you ever used the Apple Pro RAW?

@Variable_Degree_Series

Жыл бұрын

@@dennyyohanes8677 the reason why sony sells less is because of all those complicated stuffs..

@Daniel-dj7fh

Жыл бұрын

Just wait till they drop a software fix. It's not like you have to live with bad software (assuming you get an update)

@prodigy2652

Жыл бұрын

i’m the opposite lol my iphone 11 camera sucks. pictures only come out good when i’m in good lightning and my .5 camera is always pixelated

Simply the best way to put it, perfect explaining

I'm so happy you're still making videos :)

The way you included the cinematography at 3:57 of the various smartphone camera processing (lighting, sharpening , etc.) is dope!!!

Love the real time visual representation through animation and editing, makes it so easy to understand what you're talking about. Like when you say over-sharpened, it's not as jarring as seeing it happen then you're like ok that's bad. Great work man, keep it up!

Great video. I've wanted to learn about this subject for some time now. I swore I preferred the photos my iphone 6 took and now I know why.

The production quality of this video is phenomenal!

These videos are the best and most honest commentary on technology. Thank you for all this great content.

@elchido3517

Жыл бұрын

IPhone still on same , beta this beta that, it's not new technology, same thing.

@rizaadon

Жыл бұрын

Ehhh... not when it comes to Tesla and Elon.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and all the research and tests you all do, GREAT JOB!!

As I watched your video, I was really impressed with the content and production value, then I looked and saw you have 16.6M subscribers! I have one question about your gear?? What are you using to get such high quality audio?

Wow!!! You said some mind blowing things ( to me) well done . Thank you

I held off on watching this video because I didn't think I cared but this might now be my favorite MKBHD video. I use both an iphone 13 pro and a pixel 6 daily and its crazy how well your deep dive into this summed up my feelings. Every picture I take of my family, I always use the pixel because unanimously we think it looks the best(Real Tone doing its thing). but in pretty much any other scenario I usually grab the iphone for things like speed to open the app, microphone and video quality. Absolutely amazing content

@ilovechiefsosa

Жыл бұрын

the pixel is better in every way. if you want to take pictures, you shouldnt use anything else. google pixel stays on top fr

@valacftw

Жыл бұрын

@@ilovechiefsosa I think a person who actually uses both would have a better idea of what works better in what situation than you.

@ilovechiefsosa

Жыл бұрын

@@valacftw who are you again? randoms fr be getting outta line

@TheHuggableEmpire

Жыл бұрын

@@ilovechiefsosa who are you

@peen2804

Жыл бұрын

@@ilovechiefsosa and you’re any less of a random? actual toddler logic 😂 you’re in here blindly stanning a smartphone you absolute npc

Excellent presentation. I like the video effects illustrating the features. Good research and analysis. Definitely one of the best videos from MKBHD.

That was such an amazing description of the differences in what a camera does that my jaw is on the floor.

Thank u for the amazing breakdown

The level of editing in MKBHD’s videos gets better and better every time. The first 60sec, while may not seem like much, was perfect introduction to how photos are processed and illustrated beautifully.

Love the way you take a deep dive into a topic and notice even the smallest details and then manage to explain them so good.. Keep up the good work, love the channel✌️🙏

Please do a follow up to with video. iPhone 15 and 15 pro have not improved significantly.

I love your content, man… but can We take a minute to appreciate the kick ass job your team do? Lights on point, set looks amazing, editing is *chef's kiss*. Seriously!

I'm really glad you made this video because for the past few years, I've been feeling like iPhones have been doing more software processing on photos than they had before (and in a poor way). I've had the iPhone 6, 10R, 11, & 13 and my favorite camera was actually on the iPhone 6. I haven't had the 13 long enough to notice it, but, on the 10R and 11, I had moments where I'd take a photo that appeared to be a really nice photo. But then, I look at what happens after the photo is processed and it messes with the lighting in different areas (specifically faces - like you mentioned) when in actuality, I wanted the lighting conditions I was shown prior to snapping the photo. It honestly bugs me quite a bit, because the correction the iPhone tries to take on lighting different areas of the photo can (and have) easily ruined the photo and what I was trying to accomplish. Here's to hoping it just gets better 🤷‍♂

@HuNnyPaNdey7

Жыл бұрын

True. Even I like iPhone 11 photos more than my iPhone 13 Pro Bought recently. 😢

man, you contents are soooo good! The script, flow, quality and story telling... dude, you are excellent. Re: camera and processing - I feel like the "better" depends upon the two types of audience. One, who knows about the properties that makes a photo and second, a general population where all they want is "pretty" pictures. I bet, anyone hardly prints those pictures, enlarges them and puts them on a huge (wall) frame - they tend to do that with professionals who takes these pictures with the camera system that they know.

Marques does such a great job explaining

"Pictures from your phone are partly photons, but primarily processing" Great work Marques. You went an extra mile on this video, and we appreciate it.

This is incredible, Marques. Your way of explaining stuff would have me sit down and listen about anything. You could explain why water is wet and I would sit there listening quietly for hours.

@emilproducing

Жыл бұрын

actually an interesting question^^

@jasonrodriguez8032

Жыл бұрын

Your dumb this guy has been biased since 8 years ago when he was skinnier than a pole

@gamingbeast7062

Жыл бұрын

I confess that you are truly correct, Marques talks a lot 😅🤣

@lateral1385

Жыл бұрын

And he can’t be bothered to acknowledge your comment

@gamingbeast7062

Жыл бұрын

@@lateral1385 then why did you acknowledge my comment? This proofs that my comment has grabbed your attention which is why you read and replied to it. 🤣🤣

I love your delivery of the issue. Made it really easy for me to understand, and you've obviously done the research. I've recently upgraded from an iphone 6 to 13pro, only because upgrades don't happen on the 6 anymore. I was always fiddling with add on lenses to try and improve macro and telephoto to blow them up a bit. And I've had Moment lenses for a while now that are pretty good for that side of things. But the software compensations you talked about were fascinating. I did not realise they were that intrusive.

FANTASTIC Video! This comparison is awesome, validates my frustration with taking photos with phones... Last time I liked my photos from my phone was with iPhone 4. That in turn got me into photography and bought dedicated cameras for my photos.

@andreiroftw

Жыл бұрын

Try this apps: Halide or Nomo Raw.

Really great technical knowledge and well presented