The worlds' first surviving brain donor calls AXP.....

@whatsittouya1937

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao!🤣 Best one I've heard in a while

@gliblyaware

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@terilw

3 жыл бұрын

Hilarious! 🤣

@whowasthat6991

3 жыл бұрын

He was the brain transplant recipient. The Donors name was A B Normal.

@mykehog6646

3 жыл бұрын

@@whowasthat6991 hump?..what hump?

I was born in Sweden, Scandinavia. The default position from almost every adult person I met while growing up was that Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, god's and ghosts belong to the realm of fairy tales and superstition. To me there is no difference between believing in a god or believing in a goblin for example. An adult making a superstitious claim is not taken seriously by most people here. That's why it's so fascinating to me to listen to the atheist experience and talk heathen where so many adults openly admits to being a "fairy tale" believer. I think it's dangerous when citizens that can vote in democratic elections lack the proper education to make sound evaluations of political ideas separate from religious dogma.

@durendin

3 жыл бұрын

Your country has imported 800,000 folks keen on Islam. I don't think you need to watch a show from the USA to grasp backward thinking idiots with bronze age values.

@kissit012

2 жыл бұрын

Fortunately our country isn’t really democratic. We just pretend it is

@patriceriksson7924

2 жыл бұрын

@@durendin You are right. But we are only 10 million citiczens here in Sweden. No Matt Dillahunty and not enough people for a youtube channel about faith vs science.

@patriceriksson7924

2 жыл бұрын

@@kissit012 Hahaha! Yea right.

@barbararipani1331

2 жыл бұрын

My husband is Swedish. I love not having to hear about religion when I am there.

"You're infringing on my rights by not allowing me to infringe on someone else's rights!" Just come right on out and say it why don't you 🙄

@tesmith47

2 жыл бұрын

Confederate's argument

@krishpatel3156

2 жыл бұрын

@@tesmith47 for real

@hughjanus2781

Жыл бұрын

Well said and just sad

@NottherealLucifer

8 ай бұрын

"Your rights end where mine begin." or my personal favorite, "My right to punch you in the fact doesn't supersede your right to not be punched in the face." Christians love the "rules for thee, but not for me" arguments.

Well, at least this caller is proof that you can live and think without a brain.

@grogu833

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@alexhetherington8028

3 жыл бұрын

🤣

@FourDeuce01

3 жыл бұрын

Live, yes. Think, no.

@fredbmurphy

3 жыл бұрын

Kenneth Copeland called: "another one born."

@fortranimal

3 жыл бұрын

Well, a brain is a sort of tool: some people know how to use tools, and others just try to hammer nails with a screwdriver.

Caller: "but I used words"... The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.

@krisaaron5771

3 жыл бұрын

The ability to speak does not make you intelligent ... as proven by this call.

@Quinn37

3 жыл бұрын

Jar Jar DOES contribute

@tyrionlannister3459

3 жыл бұрын

@@Quinn37 Indeed, but did the caller?

@Quinn37

3 жыл бұрын

@@tyrionlannister3459 Nope, so I decided to comment on the comments. They were generally more coherent.

@FourDeuce01

3 жыл бұрын

Deepak Chopra uses words.😂 Honest people use words to communicate ideas to other people. Dishonest people use words to obfuscate.🙈

I miss Martin, he made himself heard, added to the discussion, and provided some great arguments.

@Puleczech

2 жыл бұрын

He is great. Why is he not on the show anymore?

@ralfhaggstrom9862

2 жыл бұрын

But his chewing makes him look very american.

@bryonjackson3209

2 жыл бұрын

I think he was just on so long. He was one of the originals and I'm sure he was starting to get burned out.

@Orochi_001

Жыл бұрын

He disappeared after absconding with some $17K in Kickstarter funds.

@ahtech1990

Жыл бұрын

@@Orochi_001 What kickstarter money? What are you talking about?

What Is Atheism Based On? Common sense. If you expect me to believe something, I expect to see some evidence.

@thirtyseconds2589

4 ай бұрын

@@IgonDrakeWarrior With our brains

@johnsperry9494

3 ай бұрын

Common sense is really not that common these days.

This caller sounds like the kind of person you could take complete advantage of if you just say "God says " before everything you say or do. By his definition of "logic and reason" he won't ever question you.

@Batlafication

2 жыл бұрын

And thus televangelists were born, or, they were born a long time ago and are now taking advantage of idiots like this

You have the right to practice your religion. You do not have the right to practice your religion on me.

@petyrkowalski9887

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

@modernenglishman7802

4 ай бұрын

It's absolutely amazing that most adults do not understand this very simple idea.

@mina6mina

2 ай бұрын

​@@modernenglishman7802especially in America, here in Finland it tends to je better, but there's still fundamentalists here too.

Jurist: ''spiritual is something that has no mass'' Photons enter the chat

@princeofelsweyr8099

2 жыл бұрын

Photons must have mass to carry momentum.

@AngryBoozer

Жыл бұрын

@@princeofelsweyr8099 They don’t carry momentum. They move at a constant speed according to their medium. You can slow down a photon with a material in which it moves slower, but once it leaves that material, it resumes it’s previous speed.

"I'm a'gonna own me an athetist!" says the guy living downstream from a manufacturing plant that uses heavy metals.

@cy-one

2 жыл бұрын

Flint, Michigan called. They don't want their water pollutants back and are seriously weirded out they became self aware enough to call into a tv show.

@chrispbacon3042

2 жыл бұрын

@@cy-one I can hear me some banjos 🪕 in the background on full song.

@cy-one

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrispbacon3042 I did not know chemical pollutants could play banjo, too :D

@chrispbacon3042

2 жыл бұрын

@@cy-one Neither did I ! But you mentioned Flint which is a community of people not just a physical place. It is those people who play the banjos. Sorry I had to explain this to you I hope that not to many of your family members were affected by all those chemicals.Obviously you are the smart one in your family after all you have escaped from Flint and have learnt how to type in the comments section.

I forgot how sharp Martin could be when he was wound up. He was silly and fun until the stuff hit the wall, then he turned on the scathing logic. Here's to Martin and all the others who've passed through the AXP hosting duties.

Religious freedom doesn’t include the right to repress the rights of others.

@petyrkowalski9887

2 жыл бұрын

I couldnt agree more but many fundamental christians want a theocracy and want to force their views and behaviours on others.

@chrispbacon3042

2 жыл бұрын

Yes it does. When you are a Christian .

It must come as a huge shock to these guys when thoughts that really bowl them over in Sunday school class aren’t that impressive on KZread with Matt.

@barkYdarkATFB

3 жыл бұрын

Most of these types of arguments are borne of the internet. Sunday school or bible study discuss topics like “your prayer life” or “is anger a sin”. This argument is the result of watching KZread videos, and hearing something he thought made sense, and trying to replicate the argument. Unfortunately for most, there’s not a Matt to practice with, until they call in and it’s recorded for all time.

There's only two choices, I'm either going to win the lottery tomorrow or I'm not going to.... I bet that dude thinks that means it's a 50-50 chance 😂

@duh7334

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@petyrkowalski9887

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@TricksterAndAwesome

2 жыл бұрын

Mr schrodinger would like to have a word with you

The video got way better... After the call ended.

@HeathWatts

3 жыл бұрын

I hope so. I'll hang on. Jurist is a dolt.

Science- Asks questions that can't be answered. Religion- Gives answers that can't be questioned.

@chrispbacon3042

2 жыл бұрын

Except with time some difficult scientific questions do get answered.

@heterodoxic

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrispbacon3042 Happily, using science means that "We don't know at this time" is an acceptable answer. With religion, the answer seems to always be, "We don't know, so GOD". Religion is for people who MUST feel like they have all the answers, even if many/most of those answers are wrong.

@chrispbacon3042

2 жыл бұрын

@@heterodoxic I would happily and wholeheartedly agree with with your conclusion.

Question " What would the universe look like without god"? Answer, This one.

Ideas are spiritual. Spiritual is defined as nothing. Great logic.

@katyungodly

3 жыл бұрын

When he said "no mass or energy" I went "so, NOTHING??"

@doctorshell7118

3 жыл бұрын

It’s probably accurate for him.

@biekgiek

2 жыл бұрын

@Alif Saleh I don’t mean to be rude, but it seems that English is not your first language. Are you claiming that suffering still exists regardless of religion?

@biekgiek

2 жыл бұрын

@Ishaki Kenobi How so?

The scary part about this video is that people like that breed and vote. Spooky stuff!

I know exactly what the Universe looks like without God. (*looks out his window at the night sky).

@peterriverajr6899

3 жыл бұрын

I hope you have a lovely view

@scipioafricanus5871

3 жыл бұрын

Clearly, if you have a view of trees you haven't had a proper look-see at them trees... if you did then you would definitely believe in G-d.

@guytheincognito4186

3 жыл бұрын

@@scipioafricanus5871 Look at the trees is childrens illogic at coming to a conclusion.

@petyrkowalski9887

2 жыл бұрын

Yep…. It looks great and the more we use science to peer deeper into it, the more we learn and discover.

@keithwright8626

2 жыл бұрын

@@scipioafricanus5871 Looking at trees maybe I could believe in Ents. Treebeard rules!

"Is that absolutely true? Har har" Well, someone has leafed through the apologist guide to childish word games, and didn't even understand the childish word game...

If you poke a brain, thoughts and ideas can be changed and manipulated. Therefore, thoughts and ideas can be demonstrated to be a result of the brain.

@starfishsystems

3 жыл бұрын

Speaking only of logical inference, your argument is not quite correct. You're claiming that brains are NECESSARY for producing thought, but you've only shown that they're SUFFICIENT. It would be better to say that we can't demonstrate any thought taking place without corresponding brain acrivity. But we're at a disadvantage until we know objectively what thoughts are and how they operate. The problem is that our means of identifying thoughts is subjective. Worse, it relies on our limited ability to introspect about what we experience subjectively. These are, in a sense, epistemological problems. It's important also to watch out for unfalsifiable claims that may be injected into the discussion, for example that our thoughts or our consciousness originate somewhere "out there" where they can't be observed, and then manifest through brain function. A popular variation is that the entire universe is conscious. There's no evidence of this, and it's not clear how such evidence could ever be found even in principle, but many people accept speculation as a substitute for evidence.

@truerealrationalist

3 жыл бұрын

Belief can be demonstrated to be the result of the brain, too, in the form of chemicals and chemical reactions, as well as in the form of electrical impulses firing between synapses. Now, provide evidence for the existence of a _lack_ of belief.

@michaelmay5453

3 жыл бұрын

You don't need to poke it, it's electrochemical reactions that can be manipulated by both electrical impulses and chemicals. SSRI's change thought patterns and so does alcohol, this is demonstrably true. Manipulating brain chemistry is a big part of modern medicine.

@michaelmay5453

3 жыл бұрын

@@starfishsystems We do know what thoughts are and you already defined it yourself, it's electrochemical processes in the brain. This is objectively true because that is how we define thinking and thinking results in thoughts.

@truerealrationalist

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmay5453 Awesome. Since atheism is held to be a "lack" of belief, and belief is the product of neurochemistry and neurophysiology, both of which can be and have been empirically researched, it logically follows that a lack of belief is also empirical. Please, provide evidence for a "lack" of belief.

_"There is no freedom OF religion without a government that is free FROM religion. This is one reason the founders invented state-church separation."_ - Andrew L. Seidel

@channelfogg6629

2 жыл бұрын

Except, of course, that we have a state church in Britain - the Church of England - which the monarch is head of, but we have absolute freedom of religion. In addition, we do not have the clammy religiosity that seems to have engulfed the United States.

imagine if the American government started legislating laws based on islam. jurist would object I should think.

@chrispbacon3042

2 жыл бұрын

He most likely would but first he would poo his underwear.

@TheRaven_200

2 жыл бұрын

You know Jurist would.

This guy walked through someone’s spliff-haze in the park and now thinks he’s a sage.

@brucebaker810

3 жыл бұрын

Walks thru burning herb. Thinks he is now an herb.

Caller thought he had the ultimate 'gotcha'. Because he had seen the 'you cant use the Bible to prove the Bible' argument used against Theists he decided he would try and turn it around and say you can not prove logic with logic.

@starfishsystems

Жыл бұрын

Well, it's true that there is a bootstrapping condition, but that's unavoidably true of every possible propositional system. Formal systems such as logic and set theory and so on are rigorously explicit about calling attention to it. The ground assertions upon which the system is based are called "axioms" and they're pared down to the most basic few that will produce a coherent system. That could not be more different than a vague hand wave that "god did anything that will fix inconsistent features of this system."

Who wants to live forever in heaven with Jurist?

@freddan6fly

3 жыл бұрын

Heaven must be hell, since all the boring and stupid people go to heaven, all the intelligent people, booze and good music is in hell, and you don't need to freeze your ass off either.

@coreywalker7928

3 жыл бұрын

@@freddan6fly Don't let the stupid people know it's a test to filter them out. I've already said too much.

@k8cking

3 жыл бұрын

Yea im wondering what these Jesus groupies are picturing heaven like?? 🤔 a bunch of grown men running after Jesus praising him ?? Or down on their knees , crying , hands clasped in prayers😨😨 Poor Jesus he'll be so overwhelmed with all the millions of needy stalking Christians ✝️😪 he'll decend into hell and take cover with us sinners🤣🤣🤣

@PronatorTendon

3 жыл бұрын

@CORONA VIRUS Why would you quit school in the eighth grade?

@Seticzech

3 жыл бұрын

I think this would be too much even for the hardest masochists.

Matt Dillahunty is not the guy you want to try to catch up in a gotcha.

The problem with the "reason and logic cannot be proved with reason and logic" is that they have just proven that their world view is not based on reason and logic. Also it is not circular to apply logic to itself because logic is not AN argument, it is a series of arguments based on observations of reality.

There is NO example of "consciousness" existing without matter existing to house and form it.. Ergo a nonmaterial " being" is a self refuting impossibility.

@richardbeaumont7960

3 жыл бұрын

We don't know if it's an impossibility. But I agree with you, no example of a consciousness without a material substrate has ever been documented. Claiming to know its impossible, though, is a black swan fallacy.

@AndyCampbellMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardbeaumont7960 This continual labelling things as fallacies has in itself become a fallacy. The fallacy fallacy. Until such times, as someone can demonstrate a consciousness outside of matter existing, to house and form it. Then it is impossible. As flight for humans was impossible for most of human history. The problem is always caused by people treating ideas as if they are realities. They are not. Technically, anything might exist except nothing, so virtually anything imaginable might be possible? So what? Quarg the god eater was created by the gods to solve over population by gods who kept making more gods. Quarg ate them all and then starved to death. That's why gods were always running about in the old days doing magic but they don't nowadays because of Quarg..? It's not impossible is it? In the case of flight. We knew it was possible, because birds, bats and insects could do it. Humans couldn't. They still can't without the aid of technology. It is impossible for humans to fly especially by just flapping their arms. There are NO examples of disembodied intelligence anywhere. 100% of the time, awareness requires matter to house it. Till there is one example, that proves the opposite, that's as close to impossible as you can get.

@richardbeaumont7960

3 жыл бұрын

@@AndyCampbellMusic The fact that we have never observed something nor understand how it might work does not in itself make it impossible. As soon as you say it is impossible, you are making a positive claim and putting the burden of proof on yourself. In my view that is a mistake. I am an atheist on the basis of skepticism to any claim that cannot be supported by good evidence. I do not need to prove something is impossible to justify not believing it. Your Quarg story is not impossible as far as I know, but I summarily dismiss it as lacking any evidence. I do not know if "god" is coherent, or possible, or for that matter impossible. I do not need to know any of these things to NOT believe any god claims that have been made or could be made. The burden of proof is not on me. You state that no consciousness has been demonstrated outside of a material substrate (I fully agree), but also by inference you claim to know every conceivable way in which a consciousness could ever manifest, and have already ruled them all out. That is a rather godlike hubris you are claiming for yourself right there. I am more grounded in my own limitations. I do not believe in any gods or immaterial consciousness, because none have been demonstrated. It is that simple.

@AndyCampbellMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@sugartoothYT You are kind of missing the point. In science, engineering and maths etc, where complexity and near absolute precision are necessary, that's where minute and convoluted detail are required. In general discussion of obvious things, such nitpicking detail is not necessary and the people that unnecessarily introduce it, are generally trying to cover up a weak position. Complexity, is very often, the first refuge of the charlatan and the last of deluded. All claims for the existence of "gods" fit this category, as they are imaginary and contingent upon the human brain, having evolved to a level, where it is capable of imagining and inventing them. Put simply without unnecessary verbosity. No humans = No "gods" Many humans = Many "gods". The reason for that is perfectly obvious. Imaginary things require "real" things to imagine them. Take that to whatever level of convoluted detail and argument. You want. It will still be true. End of story Humans cannot fly by flapping their arms. End of story.. People who claim "intellectual honestly" are very often attempting to disguise intellectual dishonesty and about to indulge in sophistry, obfuscation and intellectual narcissism. Complexity is very often.... etc etc. The only thing that cannot be imagined is the unimaginable.

@AndyCampbellMusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@sugartoothYT You are just creating unnecessary complexity, which creates confusion and not clarity. You are demonstrating the point I am making. What might possibly, could be or have been is irrelevant if it isn't demonstrable. You are basically saying impossible is impossible ? A useless undefinable word. Can a human fly by flapping their arms. No it is impossible. Whether someone at some time in the future, genetically modifies a human to have hollow bones like a bird and grow large wings is irrelevant. If they do manage it, then it will no longer be impossible? You could then argue that they are not strictly still human but have become another species? More irrelevant argument over ideas that are not realities. Pointless.

Matt: your only point is we don't have an explanation. Jurist: but you guys don't have an explanation 😂😂😂

I am going to say this very simple, Jurist will probably still not understand and that's fine. Keep your church, keep your cult and keep your imaginary friend out of MY sexuality and out of MY love life or lack thereof!

@cullenarthur8879

3 жыл бұрын

Well said!

The caller puts me in mind of that early interactive software program called Eliza, which offered a variety of simplistic but cryptic responses in answer to questions put to it. The idea was to show how well an obviously naive algorithm could pass the Turing Test. It sermed smarter than it was because it parroted all the right phrases in a way that might (charitably) have indicated understanding of the subject under discussion. But in fact no understanding was involved, just basic rephrasings of the questions put to it. Likewise, it's pretty clear that the caller isn't actually doing any thinking, merely reading off a script in a way that simulates engagement. It's like the lights are on but nobody's home.

Your rights end where mine begin. You are free to practice your religion, you are not free to foist your religion upon others.

@andrewharper1609

3 жыл бұрын

I would temper that with where your religious beliefs differ from physical reality and can cause you actual harm then those of us who know better have the right to save you from your own stupidity.

“Reasoning and logic are impossible…” Only for YOU, Jurist.😂 Another presup fool goes down in flames.🔥

@starfishsystems

Жыл бұрын

That's a perfect Argument from Incredulity. He personally doesn't believe that reason and logic are possible. Similarly, I've never seen a bicycle, so therefore they can't be ridden. They would just fall down. Duh.

"What atheism boils down to is you can't know anything." What theism boils down to is "we can't prove any gods exist, so we'll just lie about atheism and hope nobody notices our stupidity and dishonesty".

...there’s a weird shrine in Necedah, the town in Wisconsin where this caller claims to be from, called the Queen of the Holy Rosary Mediatrix of Peace Shrine. A cult-like group of followers, now relatively few in number, tend to this decaying little carnival of crazy in Juneau County, Wisconsin. I’ve visited it a couple of times and spoke to some of the shrines adherents/volunteers/cultists. The shrine itself and the cultists involved in its operation cannot be adequately described in a KZread comment section. My guess is that ‘Jurist’ is a member of this cult.

@radishpineapple74

3 жыл бұрын

To me, he just sounds like an average Christian who thinks that presuppositional apologetics is a magic bullet to defend any troublesome aspect of his worldview.

@danieljulian4676

3 жыл бұрын

@@radishpineapple74 Exactly. It's often pointed out in the atheist-v-theist blogosphere that what is fairly obvious is that a god-botherer of this stripe may begin to suspect he might not be all that smart, and starts spouting "logic" or "ontology" to get some smarts-cred. They call in, like "Jurist" did, here, only to find out that others have thought about it more than he has. Why have others thought about it more? Because they can.

What is atheism based on? Reality.

In short: "complex problems have simple easy to understand wrong answers"

@richardbradley1532

3 жыл бұрын

This appears to be the way the World works more and more these days.

Another rude theist , who doesn't want to listen to the other side of the argument . He just wants to tell everybody what he thinks true . And doesn't want to find out if the other side has a better argument or evidence that mind prove his belief is actually wrong . Showing he doesn't care if he's really wrong , he just wants to believe what he wants to believe . Which is a completely irrational way of thinking and you can't get anywhere with a person like that .

Saying you can't use reason and logic to prove reason and logic is like saying you can't use Maths ro prove maths

Q: What is Atheism based on? A: A higher level of human intelligence!

@johnthijm5113

3 жыл бұрын

Atheism is based on nothing. We just don’t believe gods exist. Simple as that. Ever since man set foot on this planet they proposed a whole bunch of different gods. Thousands of em actually millions. Hinduism has about 33 million different gods. Screw all of em.

@cuongtkong58

3 жыл бұрын

@Joe Crank Thanks for separating yourself from the HUMANS with the HIGHER LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE!

@cuongtkong58

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnthijm5113 Same reply as the one to @Joe Crank.

@brutusmaximumus

3 жыл бұрын

@Joe Crank it does require intelligence to identify the bullshit claims of theist though

@mrpterodactyl2688

3 жыл бұрын

@Joe Crank Welcome back Gary, new name same bullshit.

"you can't you can't use the reason that logic to prove reason and logic" that's the equivalent of saying "you can't use your eyes to see your eyes in the mirror"

Asserting logic cannot exist without god is an empty claim

Atheism is based on the sociological phenomenon that sometimes people just aren't....convinced by things. When people are not convinced by something, we say that they don't believe that thing.

What a great example of what religon can do to someone.

@nathanielyates6347

2 жыл бұрын

Atheism is bs

@kaliban4758

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathanielyates6347 how is not believing YOUR claims that god exists, bs?

@nathanielyates6347

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrTheclevercat ok

@nathanielyates6347

2 жыл бұрын

@@kaliban4758 it just is

@kaliban4758

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathanielyates6347 elaborate on how not believing THE claim that a god exists is BS

When my dog needs to go out, he walks to the door, turns his head and stares at me. If I ignore him, he walks to me, waits for me to look at him, then walks to the door again. He has worked out how to "tell me" to open the door for him, using body language. It follows that my dog has been secretly reading the Bible.

@jamesbryant4269

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, ha ha. Love your logic. And if a dog can communicate directly why can't god?

@tedgrant2

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbryant4269 Well, maybe he's too busy in another galaxy where Jesus is being crucified again to save the aliens

@jamesbryant4269

2 жыл бұрын

@@tedgrant2 Yes of course that's it.I just didn't think about long enough.

@tedgrant2

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbryant4269 There are probably billions of planets, like earth, in the universe, where life has evolved. And millions that have advance life forms capable of writing holy books and inventing religions. I wonder how many have stories about Jesus being crucified to save them from their sins. If not, then those aliens are going straight to Hell when they die. It's only logical.

I don’t believe a god exist like I don’t believe a unicorn exists. The rest is bla, bla,bla . .

Rewatching this after the recent Texas abortion law. And this guy seriously complains that “Christians have no say …”. Unbelievable. You still have way too much power.

Wow.. I just had this same argument with someone on Facebook a few weeks ago, he threw the same bullshit at me. I asked him to show me the evidence he had to prove his god was the only source for sound reasoning and logic and he explained that because I couldn’t use reason to justify my reasoning I wouldn’t understand his evidence, I said if we were to follow his logic then we both have god as a source for reasoning and this shouldn’t be an issue. I wasn’t all that familiar with how to argue against it as I’m pretty new at this but I explained to him that I simply presupposed my logic and reasoning as reasonable because I have little choice, I can therefore test it and make predictions by matching it up to other peoples logic and reasoning and finding it to be fairly consistent can trust it to a pretty high degree. Is this infallible? Not at all but it no different than being a brain in a jar living in the matrix, you work with what you have. He was pretty lost by that. After asking for his evidence based on his logic for the 4th of 5th time he seemed to lose interest in the conversation and asked me to please stop talking to him, this after two days of back ad forth. I wished I’d thought of it sooner. Was the presupposition argument on my part not a good argument? I don’t know but I would have thrown in anything to shut this sanctimonious asshole down after he asserts that he’s got an advantage over the rest of us because he has an invisible friend. I have to admit the “please don’t talk to me anymore” comment was gratifying.

@ringo666

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, reason and logic are presuppositions...supported by millennia of evidence. And they are ONLY presuppositions UNTIL such evidence is established.

@sfvaitkus

3 жыл бұрын

@Frank F sounds like you held your ground well. I usually just don’t argue with people, because I live in the Bible Belt. Everyone’s first question is “Why don’t you believe?” And then the one I hate the most “How do you have morals?” My morals are different from theirs, but I don’t rob, steal, or murder. Sometimes you just have to pick your battles, and always tell them they can’t use the Bible to prove god. No one can either prove or disprove god. Just keep studying and learning, and you will get better at debate. You know you’re winning when they resort to name calling, or just don’t want to talk to you anymore. 😊

@starfishsystems

3 жыл бұрын

As a practical mstter, we have to test our ideas against the real world. That goes for formal systems as well. So you're on the right track, but you can do better if you gain some understanding of formal systems as well. (The problem with as hoc testing of ideas is that you can, merely by chance, fail to find a disproof that in fact exists.) Formal systems have the advantage not that they can prove thenselves correct (no system can do that) but that the axioms - the strictly unprovable elements - are explicit and minimal. That makes them very useful tools. Saying "god did it" is a useless tool.

I wrote it earlier, and i don’t need you to remember or even did read it but, my statement of several times, still is true: you’re so patient with your callers and very fair. Thank you!

ideas are mental........ just like the caller

@freddan6fly

3 жыл бұрын

@REDFLODA You are right if your statement is an assessment of the caller.

I'm an atheist, have been for 87 years since birth. What is my ''world view'' ?

@andrewharper1609

3 жыл бұрын

Just that you take the position that the Theists haven't met their burden of proof of a supernatural God existing. Atheism by itself does not prescribe a code of ethics, dress code, slavery, subjugation of women, hatred of minorities, political affiliation, killing people who venture more than a certain distance from their front door on the Sabbath or disobedient children or any of the other drivel the Theists believe in unless you choose to.

@johnlopperman2161

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewharper1609 That's right. Individuals do.

Trying to understand this callers position. Is he saying... Nothing is made of nothing and we should all be following the dictates of nothing..?

@sfvaitkus

3 жыл бұрын

@Andy Campbell I’m not sure anyone could understand what he was trying to say. He jumped around way too much.

@FourDeuce01

3 жыл бұрын

It sounds to me like he’s saying “I’ve never heard of logic, but I still want to discuss philosophy with the adults anyway.”😂

@whowasthat6991

3 жыл бұрын

@@FourDeuce01 Good one. The caller definitely didn't comprehend logic. He relies on F.A.I.T.H. F -fight A- against I - intelligent TH- thought

Ask the caller: how much is 1+1? The caller`s IQ must be a negative number

@sfvaitkus

3 жыл бұрын

@Wim du Plooy I think he questioned Matt about atheism believing nothing, because he didn’t understand what epistemology means.

You need logic & reason to prove gods exist or not. Without it, you can believe anything for any reason. Btw, logic & reason have been demonstrated to exist & have yielded the most consistent, accurate & useful results on any known method of epistemology. Whereas, any and all god(s) claim or epistemology based methods have failed in every known test.

He opened the call asking them whether they remembered the show they did about the brain-dead woman and, having read some of the comments, I couldn't help thinking that they were about to do a show with a brain-dead man.

06:53 Oh man! That pause coming in 7 seconds is PRICELESS.

Does anyone else suspect this guy gets up on the wrong side of the bed every day?

@hellohandsome9875

2 жыл бұрын

I suspect his brain has been fitted back to front

"What Is Atheism Based On" It is based on the same thing that non-belief in leprechauns and pixies is based on.

Jurist is obnoxiously convinced of his own rectitude.

@jimd6641

3 жыл бұрын

You made me go and look up "rectitude"!

@RebeccaSmith-tk4zy

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimd6641 LOL My work here is done.

It's all too regular callers parrot words & phrases from the pulpit, sans understanding of their argument or subject. Brains(?) on religion.

can you imagine what America would be like if there was no separation between church and state ? slavery would be legal for one thing

@petermeichan3160

3 жыл бұрын

@Peaceful Muslim america is backward enough without that medievil nonsense

@empressoftheknownuniverse

3 жыл бұрын

@Peaceful Muslim Sharia is such a pretty name. If only our modern society could easily discard 51% of it's active participants...nurses, teachers, day care and group home workers...🤔

@zoggdawg8141

3 жыл бұрын

@Peaceful Muslim LOL, talk about an ironic name.

@terryboot7777

3 жыл бұрын

@Peaceful Muslim By slaughter?

@peterriverajr6899

3 жыл бұрын

@Peaceful Muslim America and world in general need less religion not more

Jurist cannot think without his god. He just does not have the thinking ability.

What is atheism based on? Rational, evidence-based analysis and the capacity to think for yourself. A culture that facilitates this also helps.

@_Somsnosa_

2 жыл бұрын

Come on now that's not true for all of us. It's nice to think that we're all skeptics and smart people who've done research, but most atheists probably just think "gods don't seem to exist" and that's absolutely fine. Don't assume that all atheists care about science or would "refuse to worship a God and would rather go to hell". Matt's views don't represent the views of all atheists either. This confuses theists and makes them think that we are atheists because "science" and the AXP told us to be. Apart from that I generally agree with you. Also you don't have to read the bible to become an atheists, that's another thing I keep seeing. Although I understand that living in a Christian country you probably will end up reading it at some point but the idea that you have to study every religion, debunk them and study science and skepticism to justify being an atheist is silly. We do not have to know about or give a shit about religious teachings just like Christians automatically assume Hinduism has been disproven and won't bother studying it. Sorry for the rant, keep it sleazy and secular 🤙

@owentuckett938

2 жыл бұрын

@@_Somsnosa_ Hi. No need to be sorry, that wasn't a rant! I am not saying that everyone should research and analyse to that extent; most people would not be bothered. However, I do think, critical thinking is an essential skill that ought to be taught in schools. Children and young adults might then grow up to be less susceptible to misinformation on social media and in religious texts. Unfortunately too many schools are indoctrination factories. Best wishes.

The book “ The Terminal Experiment “ by Robert Sawyer is a good book that touches on the first topic.

I don't get those complaining about the circularity of reason. Circularity is a fundamental characteristic of our world. It's not a bad thing. His argument is the equivalent of saying that dictionaries can't work because they're circular. Each definition is made up of other words, which you can't know without using the dictionary. It's just garbage thinking.

Wow! One of the most deluded callers I have heard on this show! :/ he really hasn’t thought this through.

Jurist: the personification of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

I listen to this caller and I think of the words ‘silly’ and ‘fucker’. And in that order.

I just love these shows! Everything you say I agree with. Your knowledge speaking ability Is amazing. you also have a lot more patience than I would have.

The caller is clearly putting Descartes before the horse.

Before "god" was invented how did "thought" manifest itself.?

"logic and reason can't exist without a god! Why? Because I said so!"

If you can boil atheism down to simply “not knowing anything”, this caller is the textbook example of an atheist.

Based on critical thinking, skepticism and a sound epistemology.

If a man is by himself in a forest and he speaks, and no woman is around to hear it... Is he still wrong?

@YY4Me133

3 жыл бұрын

😊

@JayJay-two

3 жыл бұрын

Mwahahahahaha Brilliant 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@jamesbryant4269

2 жыл бұрын

I just love deep philosophy!

@twcnz3570

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Yes he is.

Is "Jurist" just a nickname or pseudonym -- or did some crackpot set of parents out there actually think that belonged on a birth certificate? 😳

First Prove your specific god, THEN we'll discuss his opinions on things.

It's not: "I have been thought, therefore I am"

@brucebaker810

3 жыл бұрын

Even if a Descartes quote were authoritative or applicable... even then, he got it wrong.

If his knowledge comes from god, then god is really bungler. :-D

Do rocks create ideas? Well...if they hit you upside the head hard enough, maybe...

Martin was impressive in this one.

15:19 i can almost hear this callers brain being fried when forced to really start to think!!!! lol

A made up explanation is not preferable to no explanation

@jamesbryant4269

2 жыл бұрын

I always feel appreciative when I hear "I don't know".

What is atheism based on? Easy. You claim God is real, I don't believe you. Atheism is based on, I don't believe your claim is true.

@_Somsnosa_

2 жыл бұрын

People do actually understand atheism but don't realise it. Most of the planet is already atheistic towards every other religion thats not theirs.

I think, therefore, I think that I am.

If prior knowledge comes from god then god would need to get prior knowledge from someone or something else etc etc etc

@jamesbryant4269

2 жыл бұрын

I remember having the same thought when I was 5yrs old. God doesn't answer anything... just puts it off more step.

I'm sure that I watched this video when it was originally posted and probably commented on it then, but I thought that I'd post this comment based solely on the title, without having watched the video again yet. If the caller does indeed ask the question "what is atheism based on?" then it simply demonstrates yet again that theists don't understand atheists or atheism. Atheism is a lack of belief in the existence of a god. What is a lack of belief in anything else generally based on? The lack of a reason to believe in it. The fact that they seem to think that their belief in something is or should be the default when they require reasons to believe in everything else shows just how dishonest or delusional they are. If they don't believe in alien abductions, Big Foot, the Loch Ness Monster, etc, etc, then they obviously understand that you need to be provided with a reason to believe something in order to believe it. They just don't apply the same standard to their religion because they don't want to because they know they can't.

How can someone like this be for real? If they are, it’s really scary. And cringeworthy. 🤦🏻‍♀️

@ummmno3871

2 жыл бұрын

There are BILLIONS of them

"we were all none-viable" speak for yourself mate

"Tellarites do not argue for reasons. They simply argue."

It's based on the broken faith system that is holding humanity back 🔙

Wait, this caller thinks the dead don't bleed? Has he ever seen a dead deer hung up from a tree so the blood drains out? Yes, the heart has stopped but then gravity takes over. Sorry for the revolting image, but trying to dress out an animal that hasn't been bled makes a nasty mess and can ruin the venison.

People become very anxious when it’s found that granmas stories aren’t as easily buttressed as when you were younger. I’m inclined to think that silence is the best defence. Cheers Mike

I get the sense that the term "Atheism" confuses people, mainly because it's not really an ISM. There is no dogma, no holy book, no rituals, no worship, no leaders, etc. I've been a lifelong non-believer and Atheist. Still am. And I have never practiced an ISM. There is nothing to practice as an Atheist. Just non-belief in gods. That's it. To me, the term Atheism is virtually as useless as Evolutionist. As an Atheist, I understand that I merely hold a falsifiable position that can be shut down wit proof that gods exist. Non-Stamp Collectorism.

@renejean2523

2 жыл бұрын

I totally see your point, but the overwhelming majority of people do not collect stamps. Just as the vast majority of folk don't take astrology seriously. So, there's no need to label any contrary positions. Nor do stamp collectors or followers of astrology attempt to legislate those ideas into our lives. The same can't be said for god beliefs, where non-believers like you and me are in a pretty small minority around the world. But yes, as Sam Harris (who agrees with you) says, ideally there shouldn't even be such a thing as 'atheism'.

It is fascinating to watch theists try to engage in a logic and reason based discussion regarding the unprovable concept of a god

Spirituality describes the behaviors people engage in that help them connect to one another, gain perspective and self awareness, and find meaning for their lives. At least I think that's generally what people are talking about. They of course add supernatural mumbo-jumbo, buy I personally think we should take that word back. It has value.

Any belief in God comes from arguing from the fallacy of ignorance. These people seem to be unable to say the words 'we don't know'. And they see people who are willing to say there are certain things we don't know and may never know as inadequate.