Once is a mistake, twice is a choice, three times is a habit.

@Bobababy777

11 ай бұрын

THIS! 👏🏽

@graceturner625

11 ай бұрын

!!!!!

@forest433

11 ай бұрын

but in this case, once was a choice as well, considering that cheating is never an accident, unless you are unaware that the other cheater has a partner. Ariana was always aware.

@fairygodmother139

11 ай бұрын

Cheating isn’t a mistake tho

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

This

i don’t understand how this reaction to her is weird when we’ve spent the last year or so hating on famous dudes that cheated on their wives. do i think it’s over done? yes. but i don’t think it’s misogynistic. also why should women that actively don’t care about the women in their lives be included in the community they actively harm?

@sullengrrl

11 ай бұрын

exactly - did everyone forget about the Adam Levine situation? or Brangelina? people have always been very vocal about their dislike for male celebrities who cheat on their spouses lol

@rilacris9502

11 ай бұрын

yeah exactly, i never heard of the Try Guys until that one situation when EVERYONE was talking abt it. people just hate cheaters, and it's deserved cos thats trashy behavior

@boozy638

11 ай бұрын

👏👏👏

@snst_p

11 ай бұрын

i think the misogyny comes not from hating her for doing what she did, but things like saying "i knew she was a sl*t all along", etc.

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

This

I can appreciate the discourse about “pick me” or “girls girl” but I don’t think the Ariana situation applies. She has a blatant and observable pattern of stepping into relationships.

@UwUarchy0

11 ай бұрын

People have a pattern of letting ariana ruin their relationships, aka the men seem to be completely powerless and break their marridge vows.

@shifa444

11 ай бұрын

⁠@@UwUarchy0sorry didn’t know u needed marriage vows to be a decent fcking human being. ur literally commenting everywhere dickriding a rich yt homewrecker who doesn’t even know u exist. seek help.

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

This

@UwUarchy0

11 ай бұрын

@terminallyonlinezillennial its crazy how its the women who cheats the man just falls between her legs. Misogyny tehe

@hollyburks7635

11 ай бұрын

@@UwUarchy0 Two things can be true. I’m not excusing the men that are trash for being cheaters. Let’s not excuse Ariana for being a raccoon sifting through trash.

She gets away with it cause she is petite and infantilized 🤷🏽‍♀️

@gegegegege9907

11 ай бұрын

exactly lol she gets away with terrible stuff bc she plays up a cute personality and shes thin

@ivy-ys8or

11 ай бұрын

A reminder that it is not a woman's fault that she is petite or infantilized. That is society and mostly men putting that image on her. Petite women should be allowed to exist without people claiming they are acting innocent or like a child

@shifa444

11 ай бұрын

@@ivy-ys8orit kinda is if she’s benefiting from it also it’s not men that are her fans. the overwhelming majority of them are teen girls.

@ashercharleston482

11 ай бұрын

@@ivy-ys8or She also puts on a baby voice which is her own choice

@bel7055

11 ай бұрын

How is she getting away with it?? She’s getting divorced and she’s the internet’s villain of the week

And what's funny to me is that Ariana has been posting stuff about healing, astrology and prioritizing her happiness over other things lately and made it feel like she's finally got her shit together. Well well. Say what you want but a happy and healed person doesn't go after a married man WITH A CHILD. Like of course a man is not a property to take from someone, but it's not fair to defend Ariana and say that she's just a poor girl who went through a lot in her life and she had her REASONS to wreck a family. No. You see a married man with a child - you stay away. Btw she's held his child in the arms and liked his insta posts dedicated to his wife. Snake behavior.

@AcYborg2.0

11 ай бұрын

real

@bennywilfred4906

11 ай бұрын

that's literally why i don't think he cheated. i think they got together after they got separated.

@sofemininewithgrace2198

11 ай бұрын

​@@bennywilfred4906there's been an overlap

@heathersonafeather

11 ай бұрын

Didn’t his wife say they were separated before Wicked started filming and Ariana and him met on the Wicked set. Like it’s unfortunate that this happened but I don’t think he cheated because of that since they were already separated

@marwataleb9430

11 ай бұрын

"Slater had been separated from Jay for two months before romancing Grande." page six

The most frustrating thing about this is that you know Ariana will ignore all of this and pretend nothing's happening as she posts grey skies, her dogs, bubble emojis, and countless rem beauty posts

@nina6042

11 ай бұрын

yeah and she's gonna drop a new album and suddenly all is forgiven

@SabrinaCarpenterFanAcc

11 ай бұрын

And still has billions of fans around the world affirming her and calling her amazing

@ebenikus2356

11 ай бұрын

​@nina6042 cuz this has happened too many times. First time I disliked her was the whole Sean thing when he was with Naya lol people just started to notice.

@glasstablegcrls

11 ай бұрын

it’s her babyface/doe eyes, height, and “🧸🫶🏽🫧🫧🧚🏽‍♀️” demeanor (iykwim). even in her song buwygib she says it always happens to her and that she wants it to do it over and over again “ dis sh** always happen to me, why can’t we just play for keeps” no one bat a single pupil at it bc she said issa joke song. the irony. but i’m glad we’re acknowledging it that ignoring it

@starlight773

11 ай бұрын

​​​@@glasstablegcrlsactually, no one bats en eye to buwygib because its actually a song about self love, as you can see in the mv. the "girlfriend" she's talking about is herself, and as you can see she kisses the other girl in the mv, because she's telling herself to breakup with her man because he's not the one for her, and to love herself

Normally I agree with your commentary, but I think this one is a miss. It is not the female populous as a whole’s responsibility to embrace women who work hard to separate themselves from other women or treat other women poorly. If you really are a “pick me” then you need to do the self work to figure out why, not the rest of us. And yes some people are piling onto Ariana Grande, but let’s call a spade a spade. If you have a history of entering relationships with men already in relationships, then you suck and you are not a “girl’s girls”. Unfortunately she is a reflection of some of the worst of us and she has to own that/ that will be a part of her legacy. 🤷🏾‍♀️

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

^^^

@emmmmmmmmmmi

3 ай бұрын

lol, Madisyn has some delusional awful takes. “Why I’m conceited,” “Why I want to be famous”, “I’m so intimidating” you don’t need to say all of that if you actually had confidence. Pick me shit. Oh, if I say that, I’m misogynistic and jealous. I mean the fact that she looks up to Ariana as some kind of role model speaks for itself

It's nice that you can empathize with her but plenty of famous people go through tragedy and death without helping men cheat

@brb7028

11 ай бұрын

Yeah. It doesn’t validate it but it could be one of the reasons of why

@numberoneflop

11 ай бұрын

He chose to cheat. It’s just as much his fault.

@Randomlycreatedbyme

11 ай бұрын

People today seem to think contextualizing also means excusing. They are both trash, but there’s always a reason a person acts with zero regard for others. Still, that doesn’t make them victims. Reserve that word for people with NO AGENCY who get taken advantage of (refugees, domestic and sexual violence, office abuse…). Not a star and an annoying theater kid that get into an affair and get dragged online. The whole appeal to a bigger feminist cause just seems like a way for Ariana’s fans to deflect from what people are actually saying, and frankly I see both the man and the woman getting dragged.

@mystique2595

11 ай бұрын

I think she knows that but she's just saying not everyone is going to choose the "right" choice and for that she's choosing to empathize with her.

@ivy-ys8or

11 ай бұрын

helping men cheat is kind of a weird sentence lol he CHOSE to "cheat"

People calling out a woman who’s done wrong isn’t misogynistic. This entire issue has nothing to do with gender. Ethan’s Ex using the term “girls girl” is warranted. Ariana needs help and encouraging her to do wrong because she’s a woman is a strange suggestion.

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

This^^^

@ComedicEyeroll

11 ай бұрын

Exactly what i’m saying dude !!! ^^

@mimijiji0423

11 ай бұрын

totally agree!

@blepblep7245

11 ай бұрын

@AfianySnow298 learn how to write

@ComedicEyeroll

11 ай бұрын

@AfianySnow298 omg bro she’s literally a homewrecker and ur defending her cause she’s a woman. Oh but if this was a man!😃 “HE SHOULD BE LOCKED AWAY JAIL!!!😭😭” smh🤦🏽‍♀️😐

Yea, Ariana is honestly disgusting for doing this. And it isn't her first time either, nearly all of her past relationships have come from cheating. Yes, it takes two to tango to cheat, but it is a repeated behavior/pattern from her. I have no idea how anyone is trying to defend her and her silence. I hope Lilly can heal

@Bobababy777

11 ай бұрын

100% true

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

^^^

@Pink_pr1ncess

11 ай бұрын

And if you know the person is in a relationship, that’s your sign to stop messing with them. It is incredibly dangerous to tamper with other’s love lives.

@yourlocalgrande

11 ай бұрын

Believe me or not (You can do the research).. but most of those past cheating rumors were debunked...

@engelberthovel8566

10 ай бұрын

Seriously! Of course it’s his fault too, but she’s still a terrible person for being happy to help ruin a family. Being the other woman is still screwing over the poor wife, just cause the guy is awful doesn’t mean she isn’t awful too!

I think this is more about her bad character as opposed to misogyny. Women can be and have been shitty people. Just because shes a woman doesnt mean its not justified. Im tired of certain women being shielded just because theyre women

@themate2229

11 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@jimin8006

11 ай бұрын

Feminism also means women have to own consequences for their actions and not be infantilised, she literally met her and held the baby

@themate2229

11 ай бұрын

@AfianySnow298 keep living in your delusional world :D

@umariwtf

11 ай бұрын

this is not what she was saying 😭 i agree with everything you said but i think her point was that people are just using this situation to bash and hate even more because they already didn’t like her. that is where the misogyny comes from

@_voyageuse

11 ай бұрын

True

I don't even understand how being a "girls girl" is a misogynistic thing to say. She obviously didn't give a shit about helping this man cheat on his wife who just pushed out a newborn baby. She also met his wife, held his baby and liked mother day posts. Women should have standards for how to treat eachother, and shouldn't be shamed for it. Also, actively going out of your way to steal someone's man to boost your self esteem is going beyond "pick me" and it's in the homewrecker territory, and I'm not going to feel bad for saying that shit because Ariana is a woman. Give me a break.

@kaydenvega4635

11 ай бұрын

I agree wrong is wrong plain as that they both made the choice so their both pos's.

@yallaredisgusting287

11 ай бұрын

In a persons private life, sure. But I think the problem comes when celebrity drama, also known as the private lives of total strangers, becomes a spectacle for the public to gawk at and comment on. As if it’s our business. Yes, of course hold your friends to certain standards, that’s all smart and good. But when we all come together to ostracize one random woman, that’s when it starts to resemble misogyny.

@anaisanais4626

11 ай бұрын

Agree, “girl's girl” is a compliment

@sweetcoffeeqween

11 ай бұрын

@@yallaredisgusting287 It's just the name of the game, she's doing this kind of shit as a celebrity in the public eye and people are talking about it. We're not going to not talk about it because it's "misogynistic" to discuss a woman's bad behavior.

@sweetcoffeeqween

11 ай бұрын

@@yallaredisgusting287 @yallaredisgusting287 She probably thought she could get away with it too, because she is a celebrity, which is also wrong.

while i do agree we should humanize her and see the deeper issue, i wouldn’t go as far to say that just because she went through some traumatic experiences that it’s justified or “understandable”. what she did was wrong and isn’t even about being a “girl’s girl”, it’s about having basic human morals and decency. calling out a woman’s wrong doings isn’t misogyny or outcasting! i think we should have open and respectful conversations about things like this without being called internal misogynists or just being a hater.

@aeaeaeaeaeaease2190

11 ай бұрын

You missed the whole point of the video and that is not what she said, she didn't say it was a justification, but an explanation. An explanation or indicative as to why she did what she did. She also didn't say all the people who are calling Ariana out for her shit a mysognist but the people who only point blame on her and not her husband because throughout history when it comes to these situations where a man has an affair/breaks up/cheats on a woman with another woman, the other woman always gets the blame and gets called a sl*t or a hore. It's called a double standard. And most of the time the people doing it are also women. The same thing is happening with this whole discourse.

@aeaeaeaeaeaease2190

11 ай бұрын

I agree though that she deserves all the hate she gets, and even more for the racebaiting she's been doing for years

@rockytakes

11 ай бұрын

@@aeaeaeaeaeaease2190 ahh that makes much more sense. i feel like her wording was a bit confusing as it seemed like she was giving reasons and unknowingly justifying it rather than acknowledging the actual wrong doing. thank you for the clarification!

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

This

@theluschmasterjournals

11 ай бұрын

I hear you loud and clear! Having open and respectful discussions is key here. We can acknowledge the underlying issues without justifying the wrong actions. It's not about misogyny or hate; it's about addressing behaviour and promoting accountability. Let's keep the conversations constructive, understanding, and focused on growth.

Why do people always have this weird take about calling out a female homewrecker being misogynistic? I HATE that discourse. Just because I take the time to call out a woman for knowingly stepping in on a relationship, that doesn't mean that I'm ignoring the man's role in this. Today I'll call Ariana trash. Tomorrow I'll call Ethan trash. They're BOTH. TRASH. Why are we minimizing Ariana's behavior behind a shield of "feminism?" This is a pattern and she deserves to be called out just as much as him. Are we forgetting that she was ALSO MARRIED? They're both cheaters!! Plenty of people have lived through trauma without craving husband-father dick. It's not an excuse to be unempathetic toward his wife and child. Not to mention she was friendly with them. GROSS. Believe me, we are also hating on Ethan for this. No problems there. I can freely say no, I don't understand either of them. I never understand cheating. Just leave, dude.

@adelle1530

11 ай бұрын

Exactly! I have sympathy for ariana for the other things she’s gone through but zero sympathy here. She made a choice, and now she and ethan have caused trauma to his wife and child for the rest of their lives. Both of their faults

@girlonline9038

11 ай бұрын

On point, honestly. The moment I heard this, I was so confused cause like I like her takes.. BUT THIS?

@Jettabbg

11 ай бұрын

Exactly both are at fault here..

@daisykisses8803

11 ай бұрын

@@girlonline9038omg. It’s so frustrating seeing a lot of the KZreadrs and influencers ass-kissing these celebs. Like behind all of the money, these celebs are GROWN adults. Allow them to take the consequences of grown adults .

@terminallyonlinezillennial

10 ай бұрын

Exactly! Thank you

Tired of Ariana's bs, I empathize with Lilly Jay completely

@manulopez4697

11 ай бұрын

Get a life 😅

@susanforeman8168

11 ай бұрын

I don’t. If she wanted him so bad she shouldn’t have separated from him. They were separated 2 months before Ari came into the picture. That bitch missed the boat lol

@angelmata5976

11 ай бұрын

And Ethan didn't do anything am not saying what she was okay nether am I defending her but why do we always go after the woman and not the man tf .

@carolynmartinez2396

11 ай бұрын

​@angelmata5976 the reason a lot of people are pissed at her is because her delusional fans are defending her and even going as far as victimizing her when she is clearly is not.

@carolynmartinez2396

11 ай бұрын

It's worse now because she is the more famous but she is now infamous for being a person who likes to go between relationships. Personally I belive both are trash and I'm so sorry to the wife and the child because they didn't deserve this. Her husband was married to her and owed her his loyalty and Arianna shouldn't have gotten involved. It's not hard to walk away and reject someone who has a partner and family and it's not rocket science to be loyalty.

I think it's more misogynistic to infantilize women by making excuses for them and dismissing the criticisms by using the misogyny card or going the "but what about men/men do it too!" route.

@BroJo676

11 ай бұрын

The entire video was making an excuse for Ariana Grande with big buzzwords and then, saying "I'm not making excuses for her, she's a grown ass woman."

@daisykisses8803

11 ай бұрын

@@BroJo676right? When she was LITERALLY making excuses the entire video. Then having the audacity to say that we are “jealous” and feel like Ari could “take our men”?? I would LOVE to see Ari damage the romantic life of this creator and see how she thinks of her then? Will it still be trauma for the cause of her behavior?

@katgreer6113

10 ай бұрын

​​@@daisykisses8803people are so blind when it comes to celebrities, and madisyn included. They don't care until it's them.

@jostockton.

7 ай бұрын

If people think a woman is cute and charming they'll defend her. See: Marilyn Monroe stans who treat her like a precious baby instead of a selfish woman who hurt a wife and children. Same for Liz Taylor and Angelina Jolie.

when I think of someone who's not a "girls girl," I think of the girls who were willing to humiliate me and put me down without a second thought whenever a man was concerned. After I opened my heart to them unconditionally and thought of them as my sisters, and would have never done the same to them.

@aritergriffande4563

11 ай бұрын

💯🎯👌

@imaginieiota6298

11 ай бұрын

Preach sister❤🙌😉 We've all suffered through these women

@Gabriellaella23

11 ай бұрын

Yes I had someone I thought was my best friend sleep with my man at the time and tried to convince him to leave me by telling him I was abusive. Then she went online and bragged about it and when she was called out because it wasn’t the move she thought it was she lied and said it was R word. I was completely stunned by the whole situation because I was always there for her through her mental health issues and stuck up for her when people called her crazy or out for her actions. I paid for a lot of stuff for her and after our falling out she went on Facebook and lied that I owed her hundreds of dollars. Took stuff from out apartment that was mine. Now I just have one friend who I have been close with for 10 years because I am scared of someone randomly turning on me like that. Sorry to trauma dump but I really related to your comment and have never really spoken about this with anyone other than that one friend. 😣

Ariana Grande has always been shady, did we forget the weird racebaiting thing she was doing?

@Raebrained

11 ай бұрын

I'll never forget the donut shop thing like bro..ew.

@kabonnie111

11 ай бұрын

​@@Raebrainedits not her in this vídeo lol

@forest433

11 ай бұрын

she wasn't race-baiting she just wore too much fake tan, she always told everyone that she was a white, Italian woman, but she never said or hinted at, being black AT ALL. Also, her songs had an African-American influence because they were WRITTEN BY A BLACK WOMAN.

@ashercharleston482

11 ай бұрын

And still some of her fans will look straight into your eyes and say that it was just her makeup or tan BFFR There's already one of them in comments section

@ashercharleston482

11 ай бұрын

@@Raebrained what donut shop thing?

She can get a therapist and fix herself there is no excuse for a rich and grown women

@SamRabbitx

11 ай бұрын

Past the age of 25 (when the brain is done developing) there is no excuse. You know better, and if you don't, that's on you. Ya know?

@lorranamirelle3509

11 ай бұрын

Yessssss you're right, she is defending her

@graekai

11 ай бұрын

EXACTLY!!!

@powerkitty1111

11 ай бұрын

thing is that she’s been in therapy for a while now, that makes it even more bizarre

@graekai

11 ай бұрын

@@powerkitty1111 whaaat? really??? ik its hard to break out of these bad habits but omg ari needs to do something in order for her to really heal and improve

This is a weird take. She doesn't deserve grace when it's a repeated pattern. A "girl's girl" does not deem another woman as "out" without reason. The whole point of being a "girl's girl" is that you support other women, even when they do something you don't like. But being deemed not "a girl's girl" usually means you flew too close to the sun and some things are just unforgivable.

@aune6770

11 ай бұрын

And taking someone's husband is definitely not something you can forgive in an instant, especially if you've just had a baby

@Michelle-rdz17

11 ай бұрын

Exactly

@heyyitsjude

10 ай бұрын

“The whole point of being a girls girl is supporting other women even when they do something you don’t like.” Not sure if this definition works here considering public response. Wouldn’t Ariana be a woman who has done something other women don’t like? I definitely don’t support Ariana, just finding it interesting how different people interpret “girl code” and when it applies etc.

@missstranger7697

4 ай бұрын

Pick me's will get more shame than girls girl.

If Dalton left Ariana and their baby for a shady fling, nobody would be going out of their way to defend the fling. Ariana and Ethan are both horrible people and I could care less about their sex chromosomes.

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

Literally

@j.a4196

11 ай бұрын

💯

@kelsi1380

11 ай бұрын

YES

@Jettabbg

11 ай бұрын

!!!

@anthonyj5416

11 ай бұрын

Not Ariana fault if these men step out of their relationship... If anything she did these women a favor cause their relationship were obviously weak... If they step out of the long relationship for her... Probably not the first time these men have done it...

Gurl what empathy? Ain’t got no empathy for ANYONE who does bad things dosent matter if they’re going through things or is from an oppressed group

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

For real ^^

@happylife.4293

7 ай бұрын

A kpop Stan ( bts paved the way)🗣️

We can empathize, but i feel like you are infantilizing her and making excuses. She is a grown woman with millions of dollars to get therapy and get help for her trauma. I empathize with her for her situations, but to say “women should lift each other up” as if Ariana and women like her don’t make it a point to hurt other women for their own personal gain. Ariana is 30 years old, and she is still technically married. There was no reason she should have pursued Ethan, and if he tried to pursue her, she should have told his WIFE, who frequented the movie set often(like a girl’s girl). All of our support and empathy should go to his WIFE who wasn’t even a year postpartum while Ariana was holding her baby while f*cking her husband behind her back.

@raysofrayna5474

11 ай бұрын

This ‼️

@katgreer6113

10 ай бұрын

All her fans infatalise her.

Im sorry but it sounds like you're minimizing their bad behavior. They are both homewreckers. The fact she is a female one shouldnt excuse it. I think many of us have been victimized by people like this and we are calling it out because theyre public figures. Tough shit.

@hadleyvlogs-1022

11 ай бұрын

💀

@graceturner625

11 ай бұрын

agreed 🙈

@laranakeyaleicen

11 ай бұрын

Yeah ngl she does kinda sound defensive and I can’t really get myself to have any respect to ppl who cheats and homewreck in relationship.

@tatianannar1065

11 ай бұрын

The one who made a commitment and a promise is somehow not targeted as much as the one who didn't lol.

@Cioamoremio

11 ай бұрын

6:28 bitch watch the fucking video

I’m usually in agreement with your takes but I definitely think you missed the mark here. I think you had a wonderful opportunity to talk about how pick mes isolate themselves from other women and then play the victim when they are rightfully called out. Or how a lot of female celebrities do harmful things to other women and then turn around and weaponise feminism to their advantage when they are rightfully called out for their harmful behaviour. Ariana Grande has a past that you cannot ignore. She routinely goes after men in relationships (this is not to say that they are not wrong for stepping out as well), and her fans make excuses for her just like you are doing in this vid. I’m so sorry but for this situation I feel 0 empathy for her because it’s not just the fact that Ethan stepped out of his marriage. It’s also the fact that they were friends, and she watched them have milestones and congratulated them. And then turned around and did this. Like there’s no sympathy or empathy that I can give to someone who does such an insidious thing. Also, side note. I strongly disagree with the educating pick mes point and I fear that you severely misrepresented how dangerous they are to other women. A woman who would do anything for male validation is very dangerous because that means that there is no line they won’t cross if it means a man will be happy in the end, and THAT is terrifying. I’m already predisposed to be not trusting of men, but to have to watch out for women who would gladly enact violence for men is very scary and difficult to wrap my mind around. And they isolate themselves!!!! Girls’ girls don’t often reject them because pick mes literally do the rejecting. And most often, they’ll still be kept around, just at an arms length.

@shifa444

11 ай бұрын

THISSS

@fairygodmother139

11 ай бұрын

Yesssssss

@JustWhattaRuLookinAt

11 ай бұрын

I couldn’t have said it any better. I’m saying this as a former “pick me” girl when I was like what, like 12-years-old thinking I’m the shit because I’m not shy to “burp” in front of boys and not being embarrassed to take my pad with me to the bathroom when girls humiliated me for not being discreet about it lmaooo 💀. I was kind of an immature pick-me who had more of an “I don’t need any validation from boys” attitude than wanting attention from boys because a lot of them were being assholes to me and I generally disliked them for it. (Although I know that the term “pick-me girl” usually defines a girl who seek validations from boys, I’m still using it to describe myself when I was a kid who thought I was better than other girls because I was different although it wasn’t particularly for anyone else’s validation besides my own and just feeling better about myself). I also had past experiences of many “pick me” girls acting irrationally awful towards me because I just happened to be friends with a guy they had a huge crush on, who was the only decent kid I chose to befriend out of all the boys who were pretty mean to me. And I was also friends with some of these girls. Unfortunately, they didn’t care about me. They were more overly crazy about male validation that they would literally vent their angry jealousy out by mistreating me even though that wouldn’t really solve anything for them. Even to me, that was scary and insane, but we were immature kids then and didn’t know any better. But, do we necessarily owe empathy to grown-ass women who would willingly hurt other women in the process of looking for male validation in the name of “feminism”? The same asshole women who don’t understand respect/boundaries of other women and their well-being? Same exact thing can be applied for asshole men. Why respect them if they can’t do the bare minimum of respecting others or even stay faithful?

@caoisekamay1175

11 ай бұрын

@@JustWhattaRuLookinAt i dont think you have to feel ashamed for that tbh, you were literally 12 lol. its normal to be immature at that age (i was too), if ppl try to give u shit for that they have no idea how growth and development works. what matters is we manage to learn from it no matter when it happens or how long it takes

@rinowx5

11 ай бұрын

She needs to be fr this was a poor take.

Hard to say no?? Please don t find excuses for him. He did this to himself. His ex wife stayed with him for ten years and when they finally decided to have a baby, he gave her up the momemt pretty skinny Ariana came around? I am absolutely terrified that my own partner would leave me if I ever get married, because so many men do this. Also, are we sure he wouldn't have cheated with ANY woman? Ariana just felt justifiable, cause she s so popular and all that. It s just disgusting. Do you know that some pregnant woman can t even hold their own baby, the first few days/weeks after surgery? And now she has to raise HIS baby that he gave DNA for, alone?

@lalailm

11 ай бұрын

And do you know what the worst part is? Its that OF COURSE they wont last, and once she gets tired of him and moves on to her next “challenge”, he is probably gonna come back crawling to lilly. And she is probably going to forgive and take him back bc most women will prioritize keeping the family together for the sake of the children. But men wont. And if they do they are treated like superior beings, while the same is expected and seen as the rule for women. Honestly, tho, I feel like the people who make excuses for his behavior by saying “but its Ariana Grande, ofc he would!” just dont seem to know what ten years + a kid means. And ethan doesnt seem to either. And ariana eventually is going to realize that aswell and move on to another person and “away from the drama”.

@katgreer6113

10 ай бұрын

​@@lalailmI hate how women take cheaters back. While I understand keeping the family together, why would I want my child to grow up with a cheater for a father? Yes, he may protray good paternal qualities but the fact that he left his family for a homrwrecker snake celeb shows that his wife and child are not on his priority list and will never be.

@glrbae

9 ай бұрын

Ikr "hard to say no" was such a low thing for her to say. Genuinely thought she was smart.

if you’re a mean girl i kinda think it’s deserved, mean girls bully others without consequences or even get defended like you quasi defended ariana here

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

Ok but true

"It's hard to say no to a girl like Ariana Grande" wtf is this take lol 😭😭😭😭

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

Right?? Like "can we blame him for not saying no to cheating on his wife and mother of his newborn child because ariana grande?" Like yes girl, yes we can blame him tf you on lol?

@daisykisses8803

11 ай бұрын

@@terminallyonlinezillennialidk. Ppl who ass-kiss celebs are so concerning to me. Like are y’all ok? Celebs are not Gods and innocent angels.

@adajayyy7692

11 ай бұрын

@@daisykisses8803FR like this video was doing fine until the power dynamic part like….

@sm1purplmurderedme583

9 ай бұрын

ong shes sooo weird why is she defending herrrr

@ginger1738

7 ай бұрын

She is watching the wrong news I guess and we are watching a different 😅😂😂😂

As a theater kid I can confirm. The prettiest and bossiest girl in the cast also gets that singular average looking straight guy.

@ichokedonadoritoonce7670

11 ай бұрын

😭

I absolutely cannot empathise with her. We've all been through tragedy. I lost both my parents and home by the age of 25. You don't see me going around breaking up marriages. And if I did, I wouldn't deserve any kind of excuses, that would still make me an awful person. And yes Ethan is a pile of 💩. However we have this weird 'babying' thing with Ariana. She's a grown ass woman who knows right from wrong. And this is coming from someone who was a fan of Ariana.

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

Exactly. I have been a casual fan of ariana since way back when she still had the red hair and I saw her covering an Adele song (rolling in the deep perhaps?) on KZread, and have defended her to people irl talking about the traumatic stuff she's gone through, but nothing excuses this pattern of behaviour, and honestly painting her as the victim is infantilizing and disrespectful to the (now ex) wife.

@jimbob2427

11 ай бұрын

Not defending her actions, but none of u have gone through bombings at your own show where people died including children. That will mentally corrupt ur brain, not to mention her ex bf passed away not so long ago from the concert. She obviously needs therapy, if she hasn’t had it or needs to step away from promoting her professional life to sort out things and return when she’s ready. The internet prefers to cancel people rather than help people

@imjstar

11 ай бұрын

@jimbob2427 And? Some people have lost everything, seen their loved ones blown up in front of them. Some of my friends have literally had to flee war torn countries. She has enough money to see a therapist and she is old enough to know right from wrong. She deserves zero passes and it's about time people start letting her own the consequences of her own actions instead of making excuses or trying to reason for her behaviour.

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

@@jimbob2427 This pattern started as early as 2010, the bombing didn't happen until years after in the mid to late 2010s, meaning this is something she's been doing BEFORE and is irrelevant. When the first girl came forward to her online to let her know that the guy she was seeing was her bf at the time and had been seeing her at the same time and wanted to let her know girl to girl, and Ariana BLOCKED her for it.

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

Like yes she needs therapy, but what she's gone through does not justify her behaviour. Also I can't believe I even need to say this, also since it began before the bombing, but her pattern of behaviour not only doesn't stem from the bombing since it started before then but also isn't the kind of psychological effects that would have, experiencing a bombing at a concert you're holding doesn't make you feel the need to go after taken and married men and cheat, like some erratic behaviour short term after sure, but not this, this is something different.

Ariana Grande has a history of Black-fishing/Racism and For years going after Men in relationships and now a man with a new born baby and you think it’s random 😭 girl be so for real. I feel like this could be like you probably have and do things like that and blame bad and horrible choices on mysogyny

As a trauma survivor, (SEVERE trauma) I don't believe it's an excuse. This is just who she is. This woman and her children have been publicly humiliated, betrayed and heartbroken in front of the whole world. Their children no longer have a stable home. They will grow up to read about this and be damaged for the rest of their lives. In affairs, a tango takes two.

Her stans have shielded her from stuff others have been dragged harshly for. We live in the real world where our behaviors have consequences

@lee_rayyy58

11 ай бұрын

Exactly!

I see your points but I don’t agree. All I see is Ariana not getting nearly the consequences she should be getting for choosing to do something terrible. She should get hate because she reaps the consequences of her choices. Not because we are just jumping on the chance to hate on her”

@Randomlycreatedbyme

11 ай бұрын

Yeah agreed the deflection this people are willing to engage in to save this woman from consequences is astounding.

@biguattipoptropica

11 ай бұрын

@@Randomlycreatedbyme the amount of harm people are willing to put themselves through for terrible and conventionally attractive white women should be (and probably is being) studied.

@nicolasgalviza7948

11 ай бұрын

women should lift each other up... but they should also know to push others down (men included in that "others) when a mess happens. Ariana gets away with this and I don't know why. I wish someone defended me against vitriol this much lol.

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

1000% agree

@theluschmasterjournals

11 ай бұрын

but people only 'hate' her for a moment, when she drops her next album or merch or makeup or whatever else she does these days .. people are lining up in stores, they're downloading her music and causing her sky rocket to the top of the billboard charts and to her and her industry that's the most important thing .. so then where do people actually draw the line? Because only hating her for a moment or lashing out at her when something major happens but then doing a 180 degrees when she's got a new project that she's sharing doesn't really give her the impression that y'all are serious.

I also want to point out that I don’t have any empathy or sympathy for cheaters or homewreckers, whether they be male or females. I get it, everyone has issues but when those issues manifest in ways that ruin lives in such a drastic way like this……yeah, no sorry. You get no respect from me. They clearly have no empathy or respect for the people they hurt so why should we have empathy and respect for them?

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

This

@Somebodysomeone1

11 ай бұрын

I agree with this, issues or not at the end of the day you know right from wrong and the consequences that come with it

@aurorials2414

11 ай бұрын

The fact that Ariana met Lilly Jay and the baby, liked a photo of Ethan celebrating his wedding anniversary… you cannot defend her after this.

@Michelle-rdz17

11 ай бұрын

Exactly and she had the audacity to do this after holding this dudes newborn son in her arms… LIKE WTF💀

I think it’s extremely hard to sympathize with homewreckers bc they lack sympathy for others. For Ariana, she’s def. been through a lot but we’ve all been through horrendous shit in our lives but don’t have destructive patterns towards others. It’s one thing to be destructive to ourselves, and another to find purpose and joy to chase seemingly “unattainable” men. At this point, I wonder if she finds joy in seeing that she’s better than these men’s partner? Unfortunately for me, i do not support all women.

disagree completely w the power dynamic part. No, most men wouldn’t just leave their wife/loved ones THAT quick for a pop star 💀

@snoozyq9576

11 ай бұрын

Yes why do people insist on claiming all men are such dicks. Don't drag them all down like that 😅

@adajayyy7692

11 ай бұрын

Exactly, I thought it was so weird when she said that. Like not everybody care how much fame you got or pretty you are just to leave like that.

@Michelle-rdz17

11 ай бұрын

Exactly my bf definitely wouldn’t do that bc he knows me on a personal level, Ariana doesn’t seem like the kind of person to know somebody and love them for who they are but the idea of them being in love with her bc she’s an A-list celebrity. Not all men would stoop that low.

yikes! - it's not my responsibility as a woman to educate other women on how not to cheat or be shitty or a "pick me"... they're literally grown? - "you just hate ariana grande because you're jealous / you hate that your boyfriend jerks off to her" is an INSANE take 😂 please don't conflate legitimate mysogyny with a lot justified disgust. i think a lot of it comes from ariana's outward message of "supporting women" while being a toxic / sketchy woman 💀 it just feels gross... i used to be a fan but everyone has a breaking point lmao. rip

@lululala392

11 ай бұрын

But that wasn’t her take..like at all. The point was that a lot of the very aggressive comments are coming from people that didn’t like her to begin with and are now justifying the hate they leave in her comments by saying „she deserves it she’s a cheater“. They don’t actually care about the other woman or her child, they just want to be nasty and needed a excuse.

@Randomlycreatedbyme

11 ай бұрын

Ariana doesn’t have an outward message of supporting girls. Just listen to “break up with your girlfriend, I’m board” and you’ll see how she views other women.

@gegegegege9907

11 ай бұрын

@@lululala392 thats convoluted at best. You can never know peoples intentions. Any hate she gets rn is justified because of how shes acted the past well over 10 years

@lululala392

11 ай бұрын

@@gegegegege9907 Convoluted? I replied to a specific part of the original comment that (in my opinion) missed the point of what was said in the video. I don’t care what you think is justified or not I simply stated that a lot of people are using this situation to comment all of the nasty things they always wanted to say. A celebrity does something fucked up and the entire internet uses it to let of steam.

@gegegegege9907

11 ай бұрын

@@lululala392 If the internet has a lot of steam to release all at once its because they had to hold it in for too long. She's had it good for so long despite her controversies, let her face a tenth of the consequences of her actions.

This entire video: “I’m not making excuses BUT-“

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

LITERALLY 😭😭

@glrbae

9 ай бұрын

She's an Ariana's fan, did you expect something better from this people?🙃

@aiseruchaan

3 ай бұрын

DUDE IKR. So annoying, waste of 15 mins of my life

Ariana and her fans lost the whole plot of her being the quote on quote “victim” just like Selena Gomez’s fan who’s toxicity show how fans make their own idols the villain, their not innocent nor have any capacity of being victims

@dotcom3015

11 ай бұрын

What? These are people not villains. If people are messy in their private lives, it’s not the internets job to monitor them. We can call Ariana a home wrecker and not be so personally offended by her. You can not like Selena Gomez without saying she should give back her kidney. normal people would not face any consequences for doing the same things, except for losing those relationships

@Sahyravlogsxo

11 ай бұрын

@@dotcom3015 you clearly didn’t understand the point of my comment, I was saying that Ariana’s fan are so stuck fat up her ass that they make her seem bad because of there toxicity, people aren’t villains of course and this isn’t a Disney movie.

@DLLGbr

11 ай бұрын

"their not innocent nor have any capacity of being victims" girl...

@Sahyravlogsxo

11 ай бұрын

@@DLLGbr im speaking from a popular point of view not from mine and I don’t care about your opinion sooo….

@dotcom3015

11 ай бұрын

@@Sahyravlogsxo that makes no sense

Even if Ariana is deeply traumatized, this isn't a reason to go easier on her. I'm personally pissed because I have a friend who treated me like absolute crap because they're traumatized. I let them get away with so much humiliation and manipulation towards me for YEARS and I don't want to give people the space to do that. It doesn't help them either, so what's the point? Maybe as a professional like a therapist or something, yeah, that would be appropriate. But as fans,,, It feels a LOT like victim blaming. Because it's obvious that people will tell her she did nothing wrong or that it's okay and just a mistake. This is repeated behavior and she gets away with it every time.

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

^^^

@randomgirl4038

11 ай бұрын

I don’t think she got away with it this time. Or not yet. But you’re probably right. I think people will forget in about a month or two if all parties, Ari, Ethan and their partners stay quiet. But we’ll see.

@Woopsdiditagain

11 ай бұрын

@@randomgirl4038 I'm just hoping it won't be forgotten- I don't want her to get like completely cancelled, I'm just asking for repercussions. And betterment and stuff.

@snoozyq9576

11 ай бұрын

Yes everyone who behaves badly is traumatised. If that's an excuse let's set every prisoner free. They have trauma too

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

@@snoozyq9576 Literally

tbh i would be blaming Ariana too ☠️ she could get anybody and chose a married man. Pick me lil b*

@wizzardiishlex

11 ай бұрын

damn you don't have to be that harsh 😭

@marwataleb9430

11 ай бұрын

"Slater had been separated from Jay for two months before romancing Grande." page six reported.

@dr.harleenquinzel4783

11 ай бұрын

what makes you think she got with him whilst hes married tho? I'm sure it was after they separated like anyone has the right to date wether you have a child or not as long as you're not cheating, the way yall concluded that she got with him WHILST hes in a relationship just because of instagram likes is crazy to me you don't even KNOWW them or their lives, you don't even know his ex wife. Delulu behaviour.

@betzy9418

11 ай бұрын

@@wizzardiishlex i have no heartstrings left for homewreckers to tug on

@AUGHHHHHBBG

11 ай бұрын

I didn't know he was married 😭😭 blame both tho

She might not be a pick me but she is wrong. So many men yet she chose the one that has a KID ?

as a mac fan pls stop using him as an excuse for this :/ no empathy for ariana (nor ethan) as they didn’t have any for lilly and her child

@glrbae

9 ай бұрын

Yeah using him was fucking disgusting.

Unlike most people, I don’t participate in gender sports teams so I blame both Ethan and Ariana as they’re both at fault. End of story.

@winifredeghrudje9427

11 ай бұрын

Exactly it’s common sense. People trying to make excuses for her.

@nana-pj1df

11 ай бұрын

yup

@sqrlgrl

11 ай бұрын

👏👏👏

@StarlightBibi

11 ай бұрын

Same here

@Michelle-rdz17

11 ай бұрын

Yup well said

As a lover of Ariana, she is a homewreaker. There is no way around it for it. It’s a term used for someone messing up a home. The girls online are just using her to share their insecurities and trying to show they’re better than her. I did not think she was serious about the song “Break up with your boyfriend” but now I think she was letting us know what time she’s on. I don’t even know why she would want to be with a man who will cheat on his wife and child. He will do the same to her.

@Sabrina-ky5tl

11 ай бұрын

men decide to cheat on their partners and yet she is the homewrecker of their withe picket fence family. sure.

@sandychan8379

11 ай бұрын

@@Sabrina-ky5tlShe has a pattern of doing this tho. If this was the first time people wouldn’t blame her. But Ariana met with lily and her child and gushed about how she wanted a family. Only to date lily’s soon to be ex husband. Yea he left his wife and child but do you not see the problem with that?

@randomgirl4038

11 ай бұрын

“I don’t even know why she would be with a man who would leave his wife and child. He’ll do the same to her.” Well it’s simple. Or this is my opinion. She doesn’t want something real with him, she just likes that he’s a shiny new man who can fill her hole but she’ll leave him LONG before he even considers leaving her. It makes it even more despicable of her. I’m not saying that if she wanted something real with him, it would make the situation better. BUT the fact that she’d help destroy a family out of BOREDOM, makes it unbelievable…

@snoozyq9576

11 ай бұрын

Just another narcissistic celeb. They're a dime a dozen.

@daisykisses8803

11 ай бұрын

That’s prob why she’s not with them for that long. She knows the men she gets with are trash bc of them leaving their girlfriends/wives.

I bet if it happened to Ariana it wouldn’t be okay to her, would it?

@gegegegege9907

11 ай бұрын

She's done it so many times im kinda hoping it happens to her.

@fairygodmother139

11 ай бұрын

@@gegegegege9907fr 🤣🤣🤣

@BiggieNoSmallz

11 ай бұрын

Imagine Beyonce stole Dalton from her LMAOO

@Blake1720

11 ай бұрын

@@BiggieNoSmallz 🤣 someone needs to make a skit of this.

@Blake1720

11 ай бұрын

@@gegegegege9907 it’s possible it already has but we don’t know? Idk it feels all these celebs cheat on each other lol.

This is why I cannot get married because I am not mentally sound enough to be cheated on. Let me find out my man is filing for divorce because some other woman likes him I'm going to jail for murder

@nina6042

11 ай бұрын

lmaoo why can i kinda relate

@brb7028

11 ай бұрын

Girl same

@superduperlitsauce

11 ай бұрын

and after she had his baby too??? only god can help him atp

@AcYborg2.0

11 ай бұрын

omg same

@ladylatrelle4240

11 ай бұрын

Nah fr famous ppl as well cause chile they both gon need extra security for when I see them Ik everybody loves to say “violence is never the answer” BUT yes it is 😌 like marriage is one thing but if I give you a whole baby & you pull a stunt like this OH BABY 👊🏽💥👱🏻‍♀️ 👊🏽💥🧑🏻‍🦰 thank u next & before somebody pulls the “you don’t own your partner” card, it’s about respect & dignity and they both have none especially Ethan, I hope his ex wife sues and gets half of everything best wishes to her & her little one ♥️

Ponytail needs to sit down and wrk on those inner issues,had she gotten pregnant by Dalton, divorced,& he came out with a girlfriend later Ariola Stan’s would’ve rioted they will do anything but give her accountability, Ethan will regret this when their “honeymoon phase” is over & she drops him when he should’ve been at home catering to his wife and little baby it’s what he deserves 🤷🏽‍♀️, I have no sympathy for them & this is what Ari gets you’re ruining your public image over a man, she smiled in that woman’s face while holding her child but plotting on her relationship she’s trifling & so is he,watching her stans “She’s been through a lot, she gives to charities, she’s a sweet person🥺” their way outta this is not surprising, she has no real girlfriends in her circle to let her know this is bad & her own mother (Joan) commented abt how she “can’t stay single for long”, now Naya Rivera’s insert from her book is getting spewed out & now everybody’s giving her the side eye & calling out her past relationship tactics (rightfully so imo)

@watermelonlover745

11 ай бұрын

Yep

@CAT-yq7ok

11 ай бұрын

Ponytail 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

How does J-law eating pizza compare to Ariana litteraly helping a man ruin his new family?

@squidwardt0rtellini

11 ай бұрын

Fr

@shaf2317

11 ай бұрын

pretty sure she wasn't comparing them, she was using an example that related to the topic that she was also covering.

I mean, you can try to get into her head all she wants, but this was her decision. She has enough agency to either not approach or not accept the advances of a married man, especially when she hasn't even filed for divorce either. Idk why it's being glossed over. P.s. the moment you are a party to cheating when you knew the wife and child DEFINITELY makes you not a girl's girl, no grey area here imo. Ari isn't a girl's girl and that's just a fact💅

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

This

I'm sorry I have to disagree with you on the "girl's girl" comments. Ariana Grande went after a married man with a child, met the child and wife on set and reportedly befriended the wife and still decided to persuade her husband, or was already cheating with him. If you want to be a girl's girl: 1. You don't persuade married people or people in relationships. I'm not going to support you over the partner who got cheated and hurt. You divided yourself from the group "you want to be a part of" and should take the consequences for your actions. 2. If you hurt someone you'd call a friend like that, I don't want to know what you'd do to your enemies and I will keep my distance from you because I have a valid reason to. I don't like your character and I don't want to be associated with this behavior and I don't want to be stabbed in the back either. 3. Even if Ethan is just a massive A-hole that would have cheated on his partner of 10 years immediately after she gave birth, Ariana could have and should have said no. Both Ethan and Ariana are equally to blame in the situation because it takes 2 to tango. And I don't like you try to diminish the role she played in it (especially with her history of going after taken men, which you brushed off in 30s as a part of 30min video) because she is a woman and we are women and women should stick together. Girl's girls stand behind Ethan's wife right now and don't try to justify the actions of Ariana because there is no excusing it. Nobody is attacking Ariana for her looks or talent (she is clearly both beautiful and talented) but she is showing her ugly personality through life choices. And before someone asks, a man cheating with his friend's wife is not a man's man either and the outrage would be just as bad (if not worse) if we are talking about famous, rich guy. I am yet to hear someone mention the power imbalance in their relationship. If your friends are good people, they'd support you and kick out of the group the cheater. If not, you need new friends too. How can you be a feminist looking for equality or equity, look at this situation and spread the message that the man is 100% to blame and make excuses for the woman? How can you compare this to "pick me" girls and not feel icky? Honestly THIS version of feminism is getting out of hand, out of touch with reality. Don't blame women for supporting the hurt woman and not supporting the one that made a choice to be a homewrecker or excuse with misogyny personal mistakes, or support all women because they never lie or are never abusive (AH vs JD). Support people based on their character and actions.

@sleepy_cinnabun

11 ай бұрын

Thank you we need more people like you in this world! finally thinking with their brain for once!

@j.a4196

11 ай бұрын

💯

@daisykisses8803

11 ай бұрын

THANK U. Ppl need to stop babying her all bc she’s a woman. Let her take accountability!!

It's so sickening to know that people will always side with the woman. How is this situation related to 'Misogyny'? Ariana is getting more attention and hate because she's more famous. if that guy was more popular than Ariana, he would have gotten more attention and more hate. Can't you all just realize that?? Same with how people are defending her more. it's all because she's a world wide star. Of course people will talk more about how wrong she is! People aren't interested in some random dude over a famous singer known all over the world💀 Ariana and Ethan slater are BOTH at fault. It's not always the man's fault. and you're basically saying "Let's understand and interrogate why this girl hates other girls instead of calling her out for her bad behavior" seriously?? So you think women are always innocent? NO! You guys don't try to understand bad men so why would you want to understand and sympathize with bad women? Hypocrisy. "It's a common tactic for people that want to obtain and abuse power to make the marginalized, the minority people fight among each other. so that we're too distracted because we are fighting each other." So you're basically saying that men are making women fight with each other. That can't be further from the truth. Women are also human and they can make mistakes, do horrible things just as much as men. You are delusional, Ariana did the wrong thing and people are simply calling her out for it.

@terminallyonlinezillennial

10 ай бұрын

^^^

If we’re being realistic though, Ariana grew up extremely privileged and she is probably just used to getting whatever she wants and it doesn’t mean anything to her. She has been rich and spoiled her whole life, I can only imagine how out of touch with reality she probably is.

the wicked producers gotta be fuming right now because all the press around their movie is and forever will be this now

@MissRayneNerdiiChicK

11 ай бұрын

Yes, and this will probably make people actively not support it. If the guy was famous in the way Ariana was, then people might have a toxic curiosity to go see it, but alas nope. It still may be supported by the delusional Ariana fans, although we are entering of a new era of indifference to the same old, cringe movie formulas. I feel bad for the guys wife, child, and all the people involved in the movie.

@kikiswirline4569

11 ай бұрын

I don’t know….I mean brad Pitt cheated with Jennifer anderson with Angelina Joelle during the filming of mr & Mrs smith and that movie was still a hit.

@alisonbender8575

11 ай бұрын

All press is good press

Apparently Ariana wasn’t kidding when she said “break up with your girlfriend, cuz I’m bored”

Empathy, huh? When Lilly's child grows up I hope you'll have this conversation with him.

@theluschmasterjournals

11 ай бұрын

I'm sure the video will still be up on KZread. KZread's not going anywhere

@katgreer6113

10 ай бұрын

Right???! A whole CHILD will now be traumatized from this!!

@ernslvr

9 ай бұрын

!!

Lily is the one who said AG isn't a girl's girl and she's valid in that take. Doesn't seem like she received any empathy from AG or her ex-husband.

16:47 people have been through worse and yet they are able to find the high road and know what is right and wrong. It just seems like you are trying to reduce the pain that Ariana has caused to other women by trying to provide reasons for why she would “steal other men”. What she did, keeps doing, and will continue doing so is wrong - point blank. Empathy would be easily given to her if this was a one time mistake, but she’s done this before. And what I’m saying here is in no way downplaying the role Ethan played in all of this. He is an actual disgusting human being.

@emilyalf20

11 ай бұрын

++this! We don't need to be lifting people up who ruin lives,regardless of gender. And I think this take that the Internet piles on women more than men when it comes to cheating is really not true. It happens to famous men who cheat too. It honestly really comes down to "who was the famous one". Example is Ned Fulmer, mulaney. So ya I'm not very articulative but it's a weird take that we need to be empathetic

@forest433

11 ай бұрын

people cope and have different unhealthy behaviours in response to traumatic events. No one's mind is the same.

@laurenmungaray3912

11 ай бұрын

​@@forest433Ariana is still a terrible person lol

@graekai

11 ай бұрын

@@forest433yeah but it still doesnt excuse her for her behavior bc its pretty messed up since atp she’s old enough to do something abt it and fix herself its not like she cant afford it

@forest433

11 ай бұрын

@@laurenmungaray3912 i never said that but okie

Calling out Ariana's toxic slutty behavior isn't misogynistic. She has a bad habit of pining after men in relationships and then dumping them after she's bored. This is the first time she's involving a married man and a newborn so the consequences are more severe. It's time we called her out on it.

@Slayoon

11 ай бұрын

No, she doesn’t have a pattern. Naya Rivera confirmed that Ariana got with Big Sean after they broke up. Pete Davidson ex never said that Pete cheated with Ariana. She said that she figured out Ariana and Pete were dating through social media soon after their breakup. News articles have claimed that Ethan was separated from his wife 2 months before Ariana and him started dating. I’m waiting to hear it out of Ariana or Ethan’s mouth tho. I’m having doubts of the accuracy of that claim because both of their reputations are being damaged and the silence on both ends part is loud. Like you’d think if there was no homewrecking or cheating involved they would immediately clear up the misconception so idk it looks bad for both of them.

@von3689

11 ай бұрын

I agree but no need to call her slutty, we’re better than that

@kyoka1528

11 ай бұрын

Babes, you can call her behavior toxic but slutty? Seriously? Slutshaming, you really wanna act better than her and then slutshame? That's fucking funny. Yes, she's acting toxic but you slutshaming is ALSO toxic. Additionally, why aren't we calling out Ethan for being a dead beat POS dad? Cheating as a father is dead beat behavior, if you're gonna call her out, call him out, too. Not defending her but, the fact y'all are ignoring the blame on the man and just slutshaming Ariana is bullshit. You can't blame one party, it's a two way street.

@quackitytheasker9977

11 ай бұрын

​@@Slayoon girl the whole separation thing, ik for a fact that they weren't divorced though. So it's just as disgusting as wrecking an actively engaging happy family.

@cutienerdgirl

11 ай бұрын

​@@von3689 She is being slutty.

I remember seeing a comment saying that Ariana Grande doesn't go for men like Henry Cavill because she knows she'll get rejected and those me aren't willing to leave their partners. Then the person explained that it's probably male validation and guys like Ethan Slater are willing to leave their partners because THE Ariana Grande has a little crush on them so Grande feels special.

@fairygodmother139

11 ай бұрын

Lmaoooo girl has been a hooligan from a day one

@Michelle-rdz17

11 ай бұрын

Lol tbh

I can't empathise with someone that willingly walks into a situation like that, regardless of their trauma or past situations. She has the resources to deal with that. It's easy to take a benevolent position and think she has gone trough a lot, but now someone else is going through hell because of their selfishness. There is a woman broken because she chose to become complicit instead of calling him out and even telling/warning his significant other. So, yes, you should be a "girl's girl" it's not about being perfect, it's about knowing right from wrong and having that empathy you expect us to extend to her.

while I understand where you’re coming from with empathizing her and realizing that there may be an issue within her, she is still a grown woman, with a conscious brain who is capable and old enough to make her own decisions. Ariana blatantly chose to go after a man who she KNEW was married and had a baby. yet Ethan also contributed to that so they’re both in the wrong. I don’t think we should minimize it just because she’s a woman if it’s been a pattern for her entire career and there’s definitely a problem that needs to be acknowledged. also, we’ve also been calling out men for cheating on their wives with other women. Did we just forget about the Adam Levine situation? That situation blew up out of the water, so I don’t know where this whole misogynistic narrative is coming from. I do understand calling her a w**re or a s**t, which I think is not appropriate to call her, but I do think homewrecker is the appropriate term to use.

@liswane

11 ай бұрын

I mean, we don't know the whole story though. Everyone instantly calls out Ariana because she "chose to go after a man with a family" when all we really know is his ex-wife's comments were she wasn't too keen on the woman who is now dating her ex-husband, which is to be expected. Just as you say Ari is a grown woman, so is he, and if he chose to leave his wife and kid, that's on him. He is the homewrecker because he clearly wasn't happy nor fulfilled in that marriage. The only reason everyone is focusing on Ariana and acting like she's the villain who "meddled" or "seduced" him is that women are often portrayed as fooling men into ruining their lives, as if men were incapable of making mistakes by their own choice. Plus, she's the most famous person involved in this mess and it does make and entertaining narrative.

@sleepy_cinnabun

11 ай бұрын

@@liswanethey both are the homewreckers tho what are u on for u to be this blind???

@Michelle-rdz17

11 ай бұрын

@@laurendixon278 lol pretty sure people wouldn’t care about your silly take on this especially when Ariana has been acting like a homewrecker in other relationships apart from this one.

“I’m not making excuses for Ariana” Proceeds to make excuses

i don’t think you fully understand what a “pick me” is 😭…

I fail to see how this girls girls thing and alinating other woman correlates to Ariana. She cheated, cheaters always get shunned, there was no stopping that.

Calling out Ariana for wrecking a family isn't misogynistic. She was the famous one, the biggest assets one, the one who was on a professional relationship with her co-worker and decided along with him to be unprofessional and disgusting people. And he's a disgusting human for what he has done to his wife and child. Ariana was also married and she does has this tendency to wreck relationships. This situation is appalling but at the end of the day, it will be all about publicity. And of course she will dump him in the near future once she finds someone else's partner to fuck around.

If it was some random married people who cheated on their spouses you wouldn't have dived deep into this and blamed both of them, and that'd have been the end of discussion. Since it's Ariana, a "famous" singer, you have to be overanalyzing this situation and "empathize".

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

Ok but true

@gsmagb8257

11 ай бұрын

U act like u know everything about her. We know nothing about her relationship status currently.

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

@@gsmagb8257 Tbh I find the whole "unless you know everything about person x then you can't criticise actions a, b and c" like we don't need to know someone's life story in order to criticise something they do, or say we're against something if it was true to have been done. And then if new info comes out then so what? We can just adjust our position based on whatever current info is available. There's literally nothing wrong with that, tbh I think more people should do that.

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

Adding onto that, sometimes even if we did have other info on them it doesn't actually change anything and or is still worth criticising their action/s

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

I'm very pro critique and anti the idea that we should never criticise anyone ever

Dang I was just about to subscribe, but I don’t agree, it seems like you’re empathizing with her and yes, she is a human but you can’t ignore her disrespectful actions

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

Yup basically

@MD19853

11 ай бұрын

And that's her point. Yall are solely focused on sragging Ariana but not the man in the relationship...

@sleepy_cinnabun

11 ай бұрын

@@MD19853no we are dragging both of them the hell??

@chewbleu

10 ай бұрын

this is one of her only bad takes😢😢

@terminallyonlinezillennial

10 ай бұрын

@@MD19853 We disagreeing with her on her takes on Ari, the guy being scummy is already all in agreement??

Full ass projection from a lot of women but it IS valid. My husband has a girl like Arianna in his gym who has a pattern of behavior of being overly comfortable with taken men. She was "in love" with my husband, overstepped boundaries with another girls boyfriend, and was texing a different girls boyfriend. When confronted, she has changed exactly zero of her behaviors. They exist out there and it sucks to have a woman like her around, especially if she doesn't wanna learn or change. Also, its not up to women to educate other grown women about how to act around married/taken men. If, by the time you're 26, you don't understand not to meddle in someones relationship...thats on you. Im not bringing a woman like that into my circle. She isnt trustworthy. Leopards don't change their spots and snakes shed their skin to become bigger snakes.

@SamRabbitx

11 ай бұрын

​@jessiekim1886 he's a coach there (teaches big classes not 1 on 1s), he's not changing gyms lol. She's gonna step on enough women's toes to get herself excused at the rate she's going.

I think Ariana gets with guys already in relationships because she sees the qualities in taken men she wants for her own relationship, but instead of meeting someone who is single and emotionally available, she pursues men in relationships with qualities she can already see. In some women’s minds it’s like they see the woman the guy is currently with as replaceable and they can easily fill that spot. Not considering what it took for them to get together in the first place. The work was already done now women like Ariana gets the benefit. BUT after she has the guy she now has the whole person, not just a part of them that attracted her in the first place. She’s now dealing with a whole person and is realizing it’s more than what she asked for and is probably not what she wanted. Then she gets “bored” and the relationship ends. And the cycle starts over.

@morighani

11 ай бұрын

this is a very smart and perceptive comment. i think the same. she sees it as a fun little challenge where there’s nothing to lose because the man is clearly willing to commit and like you said, it’s much easier to fill a spot by replacing someone than to build up a relationship from ground zero. then when she’s stuck with a whole cheating ass man whose life just got completely changed she doesn’t want to deal with it

@daisykisses8803

11 ай бұрын

@@morighaniit’s such a strange mindset too. Like if a man is leaving another woman for you, don’t you think he would do the same to you? Like cmon y’all.

Damn that “break up with your girlfriend” was spot on

@Randomlycreatedbyme

11 ай бұрын

She told us her modus operandi and we didn’t believe her 😂

Being knowingly involved in helping someone cheat automatically revokes your title as a "girls-girl." You can not be a girls-girl while knowingly home wrecking. Admittedly, I am probably biased because I do not like cheaters (some would say I hate them). I think they are some of the worst kinds of people. You can't communicate? You forgot that you were allowed to leave? You were willing to (in the case of physical cheating) risk giving your partner a STD? To me, it is about a lack of respect. That is why I despise cheating. For me, it feels like Lilly Jay probably focused on Ariana Grande's role in her statement because she is the second kind of "other woman" that actually was *entirely aware*. Usually people are quick to say "don't blame the other woman" because sometimes they simply don't know, but in this case it seems Ariana did. I also think it may be because Lilly Jay has likely already has exhaustive private conversations Ethan condemning him and expressing what's probably gone from love to hatred. I think so because there was this quote wherein the talked about his desperation to help raise their son/still be part of his life as though anyone said he wouldn't be. Or maybe she doesn't want to disparage the father of her son publicly for her son to see in a decade. Who knows? Ariana's getting condemned in plenty of posts, but her Instagram following has actually increased by half a million I believe since the 16th of July. It's not hurting her as of right now. The only thing tarnished is her reputation. It's all about whether people are willing to separate art from the artist and we've seen time and time again that people can and will do so. So, since this will ultimately have almost no consequence on her (besides mental, in theory) I am actually very glad to see people expressing their disgust/vitriol because what she and Spongebob did was foul. Maybe it will dissuade others from doing the same, idk. Was never really a huge fan of the gyal, but I guess I'll have to stream an "Into You" nightcore or some shit on KZread lol

just bcs she had a hard life doesnt mean she should ruin others... thats not an excuse

@MadisynBrown

11 ай бұрын

no one said it was

The only reason I’m a little more mad at Ariana is because, let’s be honest, she has all the power in this relationship

@kooraeth

11 ай бұрын

not necessarily. ethan chose to cheat. it's not like ariana brainwashed & puppeteered him. it takes two to cheat. she's still majorly at fault but imo what he did is a lot worse considering he's the one who's willing to abandon his wife & newborn child to date ariana grande for 3 minutes

@j.a4196

11 ай бұрын

@@kooraeth I guess OP meant Ariana is the global star, one of the most famous people in the world, with lots of money and fame. "Oh, Ariana Grande loves me", that's the "power".

I see where you’re coming from, but Ariana is a grown woman and it’s not other women’s responsibility to teach her how to be a decent person and to not participate in ruining a marriage 😭

@snoozyq9576

11 ай бұрын

It's giving Colleen telling the internet we should kindly let her know she shouldn't groom children vibes

I feel like if someone doesn’t like a pick me they have a right to. Yes we all have internalized misogyny but if I catch someone using misogyny against other women I will put that person in their place and choose to avoid them. Most pick mes go out of their way to hurt or bully other women🙃

@samiinaa

11 ай бұрын

Isn't a pick me a women who puts men's validation over everything

@Jettabbg

11 ай бұрын

@@samiinaayes

@emmacones9577

11 ай бұрын

@@samiinaa yes but most of them do that by stating how much better they are in comparison to other women!

@emmacones9577

11 ай бұрын

It’s called “pick me” as in me and not her for that reason

We all have our issues, and yes she has had her fair share of issues, but actively pursuing a relationship with a married man who has a child on the way! There is no excuse and I don't think its misogyny why people are criticising her

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

Legit, she did messed up stuff and people are calling her out for it. This video was a miss for me 😕

@Somebodysomeone1

11 ай бұрын

@@terminallyonlinezillennial me too and I normally agree with her on most topics

Just playing devils advocate, as a woman myself. Why are we giving such grace to Ariana having a disgusting track record of not respecting peoples relationships bc “she has unhealed trauma” but then shame the men/women who are calling her nasty names? Aren’t those people also hurting with persona trauma? ALL people who hurt others to “fix” themselves are horrible people who need help. NO ONE deserves any kind of coddling here, especially Ariana

@terminallyonlinezillennial

11 ай бұрын

^^^^^^^^^

Showmance is REAL, in Peru we call it “fishbowl effect”💀

@MadisynBrown

11 ай бұрын

yes!! "fish bowl effect" thats the phrase i was looking for!

@brb7028

11 ай бұрын

Can u explain what that means

@mishiyoongi5423

11 ай бұрын

​@brb7028 i wanna know too

@av8213

11 ай бұрын

@@brb7028from an article i found, i think it means "The Fishbowl Principle describes the natural instinct we humans have to act based upon our own perceived short-term individual benefit, rather than perceived long-term benefit or the benefit of others."

@AnneaWasHere

11 ай бұрын

Soy peruana y real jamás he oído de eso djdhdh es su traducción directa?

Ladies, never forget... a man who cheats with you, cheats👏 on👏 you👏.

This is sooo weird “it’s hard to say no to Ariana Grande” huhh? Wtf kinda take is thisss

@ginger1738

7 ай бұрын

That's what 😂😂😂😂 if the same thing happens to her she will know the tatse of her own medicine 😅

I'm not surprised that you're empathizing with Ariana. You've always given pick-me

@minxili3317

11 ай бұрын

Ariana has way too many defenders just cuz she looks like a cute girl but her behavior is anything but cute. Now we have woman out here trying to minimize her behavior. Woman really is not a girl's girl. Men love these types of woman.

@chubbybunny3778

11 ай бұрын

@iheartasmo the people that get it, get it. Idk how long you've been watching her content but if you have been for long and still don't understand? Skill issue, lmfao

@chubbybunny3778

11 ай бұрын

@iheartasmo it absolutely is lmao. You're slow and that's a you issue. Like I said, the people that got it, got it. Bye

@Michelle-rdz17

11 ай бұрын

@iheartasmo lol just stop😂

@chubbybunny3778

11 ай бұрын

@@Michelle-rdz17 like....😂

I’m not Ari’s biggest fan personally or musically. I don’t agree with her actions in many situations. I don’t hate her. That’s too much energy. I just don’t really pay her much mind, but I do find this commentary and peoples’ varied responses interesting at the very least. Above all, though, I empathize with Lilly Jay. She and her family did not deserve this public betrayal. I wish them nothing but peace and healing

Maybe people are talking about Ethan Slater's active role in abandoning his family for Ariana Grande but I haven't heard as much about him as Ariana. That's probably because she's the hotter topic by a country mile, but it's so weird to see and hear so much about Ariana Grande being a serial cheater or homewrecker and then more or less crickets on that man who willingly left his wife and baby for another woman. He's (allegedly, as far as we know) a cheater. At best, he's just an awful person, and Ariana Grande's relationship history and her role in this mess shouldn't diminish that notion.

@WinxMagicalHero

11 ай бұрын

She’s more famous than him so it makes sense

@Randomlycreatedbyme

11 ай бұрын

@@n.k.522 They are both at fault for different reasons. He broke up his own marriage, Ariana is a cheater and has a history of going after people in relationships. To me quantifying the amount of fault is quite futile, especially for the people they have hurt. Imagine going up to the woman whose husband you had an affair with “well, I’m less at fault, I’m less of a bad person than your husband”. That’s not how feelings work.

@idontgiveafaboutyou

11 ай бұрын

From what I’ve seen, he’s getting dragged just as much

@dotcom3015

11 ай бұрын

She’s also still married. Isn’t she also at fault for cheating. The timelines not adding up for her either. If she and dalton have been separated since January, why would they wait until right before the new relationship is public to announce it.

@fairygodmother139

11 ай бұрын

Nah you’re just saying anything at this point. He’s getting dragged through the dirt but both of them are, as they should. She weaponises feminism but then shits on other women. She’s needs therapy and deserves the backlash

Seeing this after the release of "yes, and?" is kinda funny. The way ariana victimized herself and basically told people to mind their own business when she's the one who started this whole shit it's unbelievable. And to know there's so many people defending her.. i hope lily can recover from everything she went trough and i hope her and the baby stay fine, they're the only victims in this situation

Everyone is blasting Ariana, but Ethan deserves JUST as much hate for abandoning his wife and child. They both fucked up. Someone in this comment section said that Ariana “helped” Ethan cheat, which I think is so dumb. HE chose to cheat. This doesn’t make Ariana a better person, she was terrible for this, but I don’t think SpongeBob is getting enough heat.

@fairygodmother139

11 ай бұрын

Hun he’s getting dragged through the dirt too but Ariana is more famous and so she’s more of the headline. No one gives af about him, he’s a shitty person and so is she. Wait till someone cheats on her then she gone be crying and acting like a victim 🤣🤣🤣🤣 bitches get what they deserve

@sweetcoffeeqween

11 ай бұрын

He is not as famous, that's all.

@Pink_pr1ncess

11 ай бұрын

He is getting hate tho, but Ethan isn’t the one promoting “self love/acceptance”. Also Ariana is much more famous than him so it’s natural that she’ll get more hate, rightfully deserved too.

@laranakeyaleicen

11 ай бұрын

I disagree he actually is getting hate, I mean have you seen the TikTok memes about him being unattractive SpongeBob. Like you have no idea how much hate he is getting. Everyone is clowning that man so no I don’t agree that he is getting less of hate. Now, Ariana grande she also gets hate rightfully so but she still has bigs fans supporting, almost all of the Ariana fans dgaf about the whole controversy like did you see how many followers Ariana has? At the end of the day, both of them at fault for being this shady..

She stops blackfishing and Asian fishing and now she done took some lady’s man.

Girls girls are on top asf

As a young divorcee who was also cheated on I can’t IMAGINE how much worse it would have been if my ex cheated on me with someone as high profile as ARIANA FKNG GRANDE let alone as a new mom jfc

As a woman in her thirties getting with someone in a relationship is very much „play stupid games win stupid prices“ I’m glad I grew up with a strong community of female friends and though we have our issues, there was no betrayal in my friend groups until I met some toxic people in Uni. I admit that in the past I looked down on women who get validation from male attention to the point that they have to take it from you when you’re vibing with someone but it’s just because these types are incredibly annoying and it’s obvious they need to put people down to feel good about themselves which is a little like… no, stop. you’re better than that

women can be awful people. calling out a woman isn't misogynistic

@terminallyonlinezillennial

10 ай бұрын

This ^^^

Things are more serious now because this time she fucked around with someone’s family, and her fans are older and some even have their own kids. Its not just early 20s shenanigans, we’re grown ups.

girl rlly said breakup w ur gf but took it to 2 extra steps

Man, Ariana and Colleen are going down together for such different reasons. I feel like the universe coordinated this in some weird way. Besties stick together ♡♡

I used to really like Ariana and her music and even bought 3 CD's but since I come from a home where my father left me and my mom for a homewrecker I have to say I have some biased hatred. It kind of hurt that it sounded like you were minimizing their behavior. For years I used to hide the fact that I could hear my moms sobs from the living room so I have a lot of hate for cheaters and homewreckers. I hate both sides because cheating hurts and when you have children it hurts the children as well knowing your father chose a homewrecker over you and your family. I feel so bad for the children in this situation since it's public and it will hurt them lots in the future. To me cheaters have a special place in hell especially if children are in the picture and perhaps it sounds unreasonable but the pain it caused my mom, my brother, and I is nothing that can be explained my words. I don't believe trauma should be used to defend Ariana for the trauma she has inevitably caused to the mother and children in this situation. Ariana is NOT the victim here.

@graekai

11 ай бұрын

FR like i get ariana has been thru shit but honestly her behavior is unacceptable and she deserves the hate but ofc not the kind of hate where it’s irrelevant but hate as in ppl being upset with her past actions and what she has done now etc etc

@rovilan

9 ай бұрын

Your father cheat on your mom and u still choose to hate on women 🙄

Ok, I’m gonna admit as a man, yea I think we all have that dream to marry a famous woman but some of us find our own famous woman to us and be her biggest fan

@travisredekopp8911

11 ай бұрын

Edit: I got mine, so I know lol

@sailormoon2227

11 ай бұрын

you’re so real for this

@sailormoon2227

11 ай бұрын

and your gf is very lucky

@travisredekopp8911

11 ай бұрын

Thank you, I do my best, trying to set a good example for my daughter

@travisredekopp8911

11 ай бұрын

Edit: damn, apparently that one statement is worth almost 100 likes

you cannot bring all women into this. this is about ariana grande TAKING someone else’s HUSBAND. he’s a dad at that. so how can you defend her? there’s nothing you can go thru that would result in you being a homewrecker in the flesh. this is nothing new about her.

she doesn't deserve anyone's sympathy/empathy in this situation

Ari has been a hooligan in these streets for awhile y’all been fooled by the cute face and baby voice. ALSO it’s super bad for this to come out on the heels of Scandoval netizens are still recovering and ari is giving Raquel/ Rachel