I'm going to build a paper mache Honda B16 block and sleeve it with ceramic coffee cups. Top it off with 90 pounds of boost👍 Believe it or not when my son was racing MX at age 15 we would do this very thing. We would talk about how we would build a fully boosted motor in arts class. We would laugh for hours thinking up really funny stuff. On a very sad note he is now in Arizona at age 35 and on drugs really bad. I have not heard from him in a year! But don't stop with the arts class engine build ideas my friends. It brings back good memories ❤

@difflockengage9228

4 жыл бұрын

Pics or it never happened

@jimhiscott2918

4 жыл бұрын

@@difflockengage9228 lol.

@filthiestcurriedsausageini2625

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimhiscott2918 your going to need a leaf blower turbo if your running 90 pounds, conventional turbos would not cope with that strain, be sure you use extra virgin olive oil to many impurities in vegetable oil, slap on a toilet roll dump pipe and she will roar mate

@mackk123

4 жыл бұрын

use fiberglass in that mache too

@jimhiscott2918

4 жыл бұрын

@@mackk123 hell ya

Its like a Sports Illustrated swimsuit model: Looks beautiful, performs well, and is way outta my league.

I didn't realize people began making billet engine blocks that's amazing. Seriously cool engineering!!! But in 99% of cases, a stock block will do ya just fine.

@eletronixeletronica2176

2 жыл бұрын

0l

@jamesgizasson

Жыл бұрын

I hope this becomes more readily available for old engines that have great aftermarket support for rebuild kits. You can keep an old car running indefinitely if you can keep buying all the pieces, block included! :3

@VinnyMartello

Жыл бұрын

For sure!

@exoticspeedefy7916

8 ай бұрын

Umm no

@VinnyMartello

8 ай бұрын

What percentage of blocks on the road are stock? At least 99%

great video, the walk through at the end was icing on a cake

19:29 What a masterpiece job done well thumbs up for that !

Excellent video. Takes some of the mystery out of of billett engines. I shudder to think how much one costs though.

@StreetFXofficial

4 жыл бұрын

$10k for the block, so probably only $6k more than a normal build.

@dylan4972

4 жыл бұрын

@@StreetFXofficial that's actually not that bad.

@StreetFXofficial

4 жыл бұрын

I'm unsure if the 10k includes the cradle, sleeves and so forth, or just the bare block. That would be a question for Bullet.

@ruudiutsenikov609

4 жыл бұрын

@@StreetFXofficial do you think 9mm bullet is reliable

@thisislargemouth5566

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah to be honest, when you're making 2,000 hp I'll tell you tight now $10k is a drop in the bucket on your car.

"What is a billet engine, and when should you get one?" A billet engine block is a precision machined chunk of awesome, you should get one right now. *end credits*

@drumbum7999

4 жыл бұрын

cast engines have machined surfaces where necessary so there's really no difference. billet just cost more

@TestECull

4 жыл бұрын

Counterpoint: The billet block costs more than the rest of the fucking car and the cast iron block will be fine for 99.995% of hotrodders out there. Spend your money wisely. If you're on KZread looking up whether you need a billet block or not YOU DON'T NEED A BILLET BLOCK!

@jlo13800

4 жыл бұрын

There are run a popper valved loop charged 2 stroke but you can cut ports into them also as aluminum is much easier to machine and weld up water jacket for port cutting. this is a chevy sb cast 2 stroke conversion:www.4btswaps.com/threads/turning-4stroke-into-2-stroke.12888/#lg=thread-12888&slide=0. Are these billet engines running stock oil injection system? They could with a dry sump, vro pump feeding into intake and amsoil dominator 2 stroke synth oil. I can wait to try this but a 1:1 crank speed came is needed to work int/exh valves with exh opening earlier for blow down. Its nice to see these billet 2 strokes run awsome!

@ODST_Republic

4 жыл бұрын

@@drumbum7999 well yeah, but they are used in more high powered things, since they are lighter (not by too much) and they can resist deformation since they have a higher elongation and elastic ratio, compared to cast iron, to where if you try to bend, it'll snap before you were able to bend it. Thats what they were saying about the 2% for cast iron and the 10% for the forged aluminum alloy block. Remember, its mostly used by professionals who win lots of money, so its not really practical for a daily driver, unless its something you want to pass down to your 3 generation of grand kids. Be in mind, i don't know if it'll last that long myself, due to wear and tear, it might though, if it had constant servicing to it to keep it well maintained

@MS-ql8ek

4 жыл бұрын

10k for a billet 2jz is actually a pretty good price

Brilliant work. I hope one day i get to buy a complete engine from you.

god I wish this was in 4k, just beautiful

most beautiful thing I'ever seen, what sweet machine , making the block

That's a cool job to have. I've worked with some of those materials, but never a block of aluminum like that. Only variable now is the raw block quality

Very interesting loved the catia view learned a lot beacuse of ya guys thx!

Amazing guys, incredible job👌👌👍👍👍

If this guy tells me something about engines, I'll believe him because once you start milling aluminum blocks from billet, you're not alright in the head :O Keep up the good work!

I am so glad Hard Metal and Rock Music is coming back to Videos. Man. 2020 is looking to be a GREAT YEAR!

@bryanduncan1640

3 жыл бұрын

@Mickey Mishra - 2020 was looking to be a great year? BOY did you get that wrong!

"Billet" is usually taken as being an aluminium based alloy, but it can be any metal, which brings up the question - has anyone machined the block and/or head out of steel? While it would be heavier overall, part of that might be mitigated by less material being required, and it would definitely offer stiffness and thermal expansion benefits over aluminium. The only example that comes to mind where it was done was back in the day when someone (reportedly) machined a steel BD series block up because he was tired of blocks failing.

@louisbabycos106

3 ай бұрын

Titanium alloy would be awesome

so beautiful and perfect.

Thanks for this excellent video

Awesome video! Learned a lot!

What a fantastic company, so awesome

This is my dream job. Hope I can find something similar to this once I finish my engineering degree.

@ninelaivz4334

Жыл бұрын

Get some friends and start your own company.

@FrozenHaxor

Жыл бұрын

@@ninelaivz4334 You don't build a restaurant before working in one.

@2seep

2 ай бұрын

@@FrozenHaxorof course you can if you know what your doing.

@FrozenHaxor

2 ай бұрын

@@2seepThe point flew high over your head.

machined billet aluminum looks like jewelry, I love it !!!!!

30 years a machinist & mech/manuf. engineer with high profile mosport experience... @17:05 I learned something new today :)

SUBSCRIBED!!!! awesome insightful video!! Thank you

@StreetFXofficial

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🤗

Brilliant Vid guys.👍🏽🍺

I wish I could have seen how they milled water jackets in the billet piece. Also, on the comment that the aluminum has the same tensile strength as cast. This may be true at room temp. Aluminum loses over 1/3 of it's modulus of elasticity when raised past 300 degrees F. It keeps getting worse as you go up.

@jonywalabi2647

Жыл бұрын

exactly what i was thinking, what they said was pretty optimistic, might work well anyway for a while though

@jonywalabi2647

Жыл бұрын

seemed like they had a big safety coefficient though, they design was much less conservative

@aureliogracia6936

11 ай бұрын

it's 6061 t6 aluminium...used in billet builds. the same aluminium used in coca cola cans or beer cans. and trust me It's pretty strong.

@austinnafziger4159

7 ай бұрын

From looking at the model they showed, there are a series of rectangular carvings toward the top of the block running along each side, with bolt holes and what looks like a sealing surface. I think that is the "water jacket." Even though it is not as close to the cylinder as on the original, it should be fine due to the higher heat conductivity of aluminum.

@roberttammerawitchey4652

3 ай бұрын

True. But, then again, not too many people run 300 degree thermostats.

It all depends what you need and what you are willing to spend. Billet is for small quantity, custom fast made process. You draw your head, cam, crank in a CAD program and after a day or two you have your product. With a cast you need a whole factory process and it can't just be made when you need it. Casting is for large quantity needs. About strength yes billet is stronger and suitable for performance engines. Cast is more suitable for daily driver needs. Also with forging or billeting you have different expansion properties of the material. This is ok with sport usage since engine dont operate cold and is usualy heated by pooring hot oil like in F1 sport. With cars having forged or billet parts you are just looking for increased wear in cold start since forged pistons for instance have to have bigger clearence and thus rattle inside the cylinder until operating temp is achived.

@mos202

Ай бұрын

So billet can’t be used for daily or normal car guy??

How cool. Would love to be able to build any engine

Memories.As a new automotive student, machined/ sleeved a few Vega engines, back in 76 or so.

@podamis314

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for correcting my memory - I had the impression those engines were sleeveless.

@treeguyable

4 жыл бұрын

@@podamis314 They came factory sleeveless, then, when they messed up, we bored em out for steel sleeves.😏

2:20 turn captions on😂😂😭

@chainmansca

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@janeblogs324

4 жыл бұрын

Well then

@SeaNBlack

4 жыл бұрын

Thats some zoophilic shit right there

@jadenwracing8176

4 жыл бұрын

SeaN Black why would you think of a boxer breed weirdo lol

@SeaNBlack

4 жыл бұрын

@@jadenwracing8176 ok chill kid

They even look good !

What an awesome video thanks for sharing brother! 10k US which is $14876 AU not bad ay! If your building over 2000hp it’s a great investment

looks like a piece of art

thank you. very good video.

Nice learned loads 👍

These guys know their stuff.

Awesome video!

Work of art!

Great, but how do you make both oil and water flowing routes in aluminum billet because in casting those are done by cores during casting process?

Absolutely amazing, I guess, big horsepower, big money. Regards Brad

Woooow.... IT's amazing!!!!

i'd love to have a replacement for my M96.23 Porsche engine. i think that would be even more expensive than a V8 because, including the heads, it would be 8 individual pieces to manufacture. also the crankbearings sit on castfit steelinserts in the aluminium, wonder how they'd find a solution to this in a billet piece.

3:24 - "leftover scrap on the ends..." SCTE, SWEETEST COFFEE TABLES EVER...!!!

Renishaw tool measuring devices, nice! i didn't know that Haas mills use the same toolchanging system as Hurco, at least it looks very similar.

I need a 2uzfe 4.7 for my 4Runner. That would be awesome but I’m not rich. You guys do great machine work.

Awesome video, you can do my old 2001 s3 engine block next that is made out of cast.

Awesome video. I’ve been out of the racing seen for a long time and a lot has changed kinds like buck Rogers. One thing hasn’t changed and I’ve always said racing engines don’t run on racing fuel but racing dollars 🤪👍😎

@mpetersen6

4 жыл бұрын

Just like the old line about there's no seed substitute for cubic inches should really be no substitute for cubic money

@MrMopar413

4 жыл бұрын

mpetersen6 got that right, no replacement for displacement 👍

I am curious about catastrophic problems like a thrown rod that bangs around in that aluminum block. Moreso repairable than iron block?

When should you get one? When you win the freaking lottery!😝

8:44 cue the dyno pull

Omg 😳…. I’m ready boss where do you want me?? 4 axis?? Setup?? Dang on a Haas!!! That’s right!!! People hate on em but I love em! Dang I can’t wait to open my own shop 😊 Also…. Nice work man love your setup!!!! You have a cool work flow and the shop looks so clean lol 😅 👍🏽💯

6:42 I'm really glad that all my head holes are in the right location🤣😂😅🤣😂

Nice i was looking for that. Do you make engines block with any material desired?

Love it 👌✌

Gorgeous.

Maybe I missed it but how do the water jackets work? Is there a plate they use to create the gallery on the aluminum engines?

just outta curiosity will you be doing a VG motor or block for the 300zx? I know we have cast iron blocks which are heavy as sin. I would have a few people interested in getting these block in billet. LMK

i learned a lot today

QUESTION: how does he make the water and oil passage ways in the block and heads ?..also do they warp ?..

Amazing.

Any chance in the near future of doing a sound test for these engines? This is a cast iron 2JZ and this is a Billet 2JZ sound comparison. Engines don't necessarily have to be in the car. For me it's the 4G63 but whatever you can do😃 Cheers.

Yup I want one

I thought he was going to cry when he told him the RB head Flowed better than the 2J Z head 😂😂😂

@Oblithian

4 жыл бұрын

the 2JZ is good, but definitely overrated. I suspect if all vehicles had the same aftermarket, there would be a few better options, and several surprises.

@altruismfirst6489

2 жыл бұрын

You can hear the RB head engine sound amazing even as a stroker and in NA applications vs 2JZ even 1jz. The RB sound is unmistakable. While with the JZ the Toyota block casting is the key while the rb25/26 are even weaker than Aussie cast Rb30 - something was definitely wrong with Nissan Japan for the rb25/26 block casting. They went from one of the strongest L6 blocks in the L series to the crack prone RB casting. Many Japanese are using the L series with RB heads for budget/strength in drag racing.

Is there a problem with the different expansion rates betwwen the cast iron liners and the aluminium block?

Dream Factory!

4:13 ABSOLUTELY FUCKING GORGEOUS. A TRUE REAL WORK OF ART THRU MACHINERY.

*_I think I'm going to order a Billet engine for my truck. Until a new material gets found to replace billet!_*

What about the coolant pathways that go around the block?

Such an amazing work. Imagine making a 2jz from a 52100 steel (ballbearing steel) .

@baron_lawder5886

2 жыл бұрын

You will have fun machining this type of steel xD

@jinglemyberries866

Жыл бұрын

CPM 10V lol

How does the billet blocks get cooled for the street engines? seems like there are no cooling jackets

Yes please.. I need a billet 4g63

How are the water jackets done on the billet block around the cylinders? I don't see how that is done??

Interesting!

its disingenuous to compare billet aluminum to cast iron, when there is cast aluminum. They have their shiny billet thing next to a rusted out bilge pump from the titanic.

@cesteres

4 жыл бұрын

Kinda when state of the art engines are cast Al

@martijnvkk

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@JT-un7dc

4 жыл бұрын

SAME, thing I was thinking.

@YyouTTubeE

4 жыл бұрын

@Barry Manilowa what about reliability?

@Bhisma44

4 жыл бұрын

Same question, how reliable are billet engines compared to cast engines?

Do they use torque plates when honing?

So how long does it take to machine it from the billet to engine block

So you cut the cooling passages too?

For when you want the same or slightly higher strength relative to cast iron but with much less weight.

Wow forged aluminum that’s impressive, it’s a good start, I wonder if you could do the same thing with the forged iron

@johntate4638

4 жыл бұрын

There is no need to use forged iron. It has enough strength in cast form. Aluminum is much much weaker and only in applications of insane horsepower and you having the money to you use forged. A cast iron block is still much much stronger than forged Aluminum. I have never seen so many dumb comments. Even the guy in the video didn't know all Aluminum motors used sleeves.

@kukkuud2105

2 жыл бұрын

@@johntate4638 oh yeah you know better than a man who does this stuff for a living and has a big ass company

How do you cut the water cooling galleries?

Im about to finish my last semester of my computer integrated machining degree and i would kill to have a job like this

@gombong911

4 жыл бұрын

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Is billet alu gonna expand under heat like forged do?

How can the cnc mill the blocks oiling passages

Hi mate what temperature can the aluminum block take whoud it handle the heat of a truck turbo bolted to a Ford six cylinder engine before it melts

Tha old path...thanks..God bless

I wonder how much that would cost to get a billet version of my 4cyl engine. They manufacturer made one and it was good for over 1000hp in the '80s so a few cooling passage and structural improvements while they're at it, and It would definitely be a good race engine.

@cholodude97

6 ай бұрын

I know its been 3 years lol but what do you have? Did you see that 4g63? Thats insane lol

so how do they handle water jackets in a billet block? I cant imagine it would be easy to machine them out. Or is there some other way to handle cooling around the block when using a billet block?

@SomervilleMetalWorks

4 жыл бұрын

they show it in video they have a cover plate that bolts on over the water galleries

Awesome

This raises more questions than it answers. Does the oiling system keep the block cool enough to not need coolant passages? What kind of things make assembly different than a factory block, just the headstuds and possibly torque specs? What makes the RB heads flow better than a JZ head?

@StreetFXofficial

4 жыл бұрын

Only drag blocks have no coolant passages because they are not running for long periods.

@johnurbanek1027

4 жыл бұрын

@@StreetFXofficial I think we all know that part, just like in the old SBC days hardcore drag racers would completely fill their blocks with concrete, while the guys who stayed on the street would only half fill them. It just got me wondering because from the video, it didn't really look like any of the blocks had coolant passages, or if they did, they only went about 1.5" (40mm) into the block. I would have believed you if you said a street motor only needs coolant in the heads with the conductivity of aluminum and cooling properties of oil, especially with a cooler installed. My 2015 Tacoma is the first vehicle I've owned with aluminum heads and block and I have noticed that it dissipates heat a lot quicker in the winter. With my old 5.0 Mustang (iron block and heads) would still be warm after sitting shut off in 30*F for a few hours. My Tacoma on the other hand, even just after 1.5 hours, it takes a couple minutes of driving to get the needle off the seat of the gauge. There's a lot of variables with it though, the Tacoma is higher up with a much roomier engine bay, all though it's pretty much boxed in with the skid plates. The Mustang was lower and fit and a tighter, but it was completely open underneath, with an oversized radiator that holds more coolant. I like wondering about things though. I often wonder if a straight 6 really needs counterweights on the crank at all, when built right. Or if sidedraft Webers can be jetted and reworked to distribute meth injection systems and ran as an ITB/fuel injection set up.

So the non-water jacketed blocks are intended for drag racing only? I'd be curious to see how much strength an engine gains from not having a water jacket.

@nats2956

8 ай бұрын

How is the engine cooled if there is no water jacket

@Venousdata

6 ай бұрын

@@nats2956I assume that since a drag race is at most around 2 minutes run time including burnouts, the engine doesn’t stay running long enough for not having a water jacket to be a big problem

Wow I was watching this video full screen after coming from another video and noticed the horrific tool path strategies used to machine these blocks. I thought Well maybe this video is from 10 or so years ago. Exited full screen and see it was from 2 days ago. OMFG those tool path strategies are from the 1990's.

@Kekkojoker90

4 жыл бұрын

What's so wrong with the path?

@SssagaBenches

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kekkojoker90 Probably could be optimized further regarding time consumption.

@Xboxblowz

4 жыл бұрын

i mean it gets the job done doesnt it

@StreetFXofficial

4 жыл бұрын

When it takes a whole day to machine a block, I think the small savings woukd be negligible in the scheme of things.

@Airwolf1971

4 жыл бұрын

@@StreetFXofficial Yeah after the first guy replied to me I realized I over reacted. They aren't a production shop having to pop out 10,000 of these a month.

How do they mill the water pockets tough? Just side straight pocket? I have so many questions with these billet blocks, would love to see them think thru a project like this ^^

@craigtate5930

4 жыл бұрын

I eas wondering the exact same thing about coolant passages

@skalamerija220

4 жыл бұрын

They probably just drill holes and cross connect them with more holes

@budburr66

4 жыл бұрын

They mill the water passages from the inside where the cylinder sleeve goes before they install the sleeve.

@skalamerija220

4 жыл бұрын

@@budburr66 makes sense

@henryblack3974

2 жыл бұрын

@@skalamerija220 Basically a wet sleeve motor. The Triumph TR engines were developed from the Vanguard wet sleeve 4 cylinder block.

Cool vid, really enjoyed it... sadly based in South Africa, so when you start talking prices in dollars US, it's like oh damn... Went through two 4AFE blocks in 11 years and busy building my third one now, by myself... so always good to learn about engine blocks and cylinder heads... could definitely do with a billet block...

Is it possible to do flat engines too?

Who is the best supplier of billet blanks? Are these forged?

"And that basically gives the strength of a cast block would've previously done" *crickets

@StreetFXofficial

4 жыл бұрын

Cylinder walls are subject to a completely different form of stress.

@chaddanylak8706

4 жыл бұрын

alu remove all the heat faster and weight less, so in turn you can pump more power into the engine

@Spazza42

4 жыл бұрын

chad danylak C’mon dude, engine block weight has nothing to do with the amount of power it can make. That only counts for moving parts, not the block. Jesus Christ....

@Mp57navy

4 жыл бұрын

@@StreetFXofficial an obvious downside to aluminum is that it will destroy itself if your cooling is inadequate for a couple minutes. Oh, your engine overheated? Rip it out, replace gaskets and level the surface. Ask anyone with a Subaru or Toyota.

@lsswapeverything2518

4 жыл бұрын

@@StreetFXofficial most engines cast or not have sleeves....

Title of video starts at 8:00

Do you build transmissions ?too!

Would they be able to make a 6g75 block from a 06 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT V6 3.8 MiVec 6MT?? And how much ??

I want one