What If The Ninth Doctor Didn't Regenerate?

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Everyone remembers the dramatic ending of Doctor Who Series 1, where the Ninth Doctor regenerated in Parting of the Ways. However, what if this never happened? What if Christopher Eccleston never left the show and continued into Series 2 alongside Rose Tyler? These are the questions I'm tackling in today's video!
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  • @HarboWholmes
    @HarboWholmes5 ай бұрын

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  • @Valtharr
    @Valtharr5 ай бұрын

    woo! now I can put "my question inspired a Harbo Wholmes video" on my resume!

  • @hernerwerzog9700

    @hernerwerzog9700

    5 ай бұрын

    You bow to no one

  • @joefreeman3087

    @joefreeman3087

    5 ай бұрын

    This made me beam 😊

  • @Comicbroe405
    @Comicbroe4055 ай бұрын

    One of my favorite "what ifs" honestly. 9 really deserved another series cuz a lot more could've been explored about his loneliness with the way Eccleston portrayed him.

  • @SaturnUmbreon

    @SaturnUmbreon

    2 ай бұрын

    I doubt Eccleston would want to, but with Big Finish doing a "First Doctor Unbound" series next year, there is a chance we could see them explore this path. I would love it if they did, and get Eccleston and Piper back working together for a series of possibilities...

  • @oneautumnleaff2119

    @oneautumnleaff2119

    2 ай бұрын

    he was my favorite and it wasnt even close

  • @Lia-zw1ls7tz7o
    @Lia-zw1ls7tz7o5 ай бұрын

    2:12 I read somewhere that, had Eccleston stayed, Jack would've survived and stayed a companion and series 2 would have him trying to find out what happened during his time at the Time Agency, the two years wiped from his memory.

  • @carsforever4002

    @carsforever4002

    5 ай бұрын

    Wow nice info, was Rose still a part of the original series 2 plan? I heard she was kept to be a bridge between the two series since the Doctor was now different

  • @Lia-zw1ls7tz7o

    @Lia-zw1ls7tz7o

    5 ай бұрын

    @@carsforever4002 good question. 🤔 Perhaps the Doctor Who wiki knows or some other website…?

  • @carsforever4002

    @carsforever4002

    5 ай бұрын

    @@Lia-zw1ls7tz7o Yeah I’ll definitely have to look that up but I’m really glad we had Rose for both series 🙌

  • @Comicbroe405

    @Comicbroe405

    5 ай бұрын

    Unrelated but does that get explained in Torchwood?

  • @Lia-zw1ls7tz7o

    @Lia-zw1ls7tz7o

    5 ай бұрын

    @@Comicbroe405 I don't think it is but then again, I haven't seen all of Torchwood for quite some time.

  • @Julios_47
    @Julios_475 ай бұрын

    My fan favorite "What If" moment would be with the 12th Doctor meeting Donna Noble in the 60 specials lmao, that would be an epic argument

  • @StefanFlyer

    @StefanFlyer

    5 ай бұрын

    Especially since wiping memory is part of his arc and he learns that is a terrible solution himself so didn't do this to Bill.

  • @williamriley6884
    @williamriley68845 ай бұрын

    Credit where it's due for really deviating from the initial story over just 'S2 but with Eccleston'. But that said, I can't help there's a big misread of 9 and his character. After his 'everybody lives' moment he's very clearly a changed, more optimistic man as seen in Boom Town. He's almost 9.5. And similarly Jackie likes the doctor not because he's 10 and friendlier but because he sent Rose back - as she says in Parting of the Ways. This script really seems to make him too much of an edgy psycho corrupting those around him and ignores how much healing he did in S1 + how he typically inspired those around him to be better.

  • @HarboWholmes

    @HarboWholmes

    5 ай бұрын

    That's fair! I did initially want to clarify throughout the video that he'd still be a much lighter 9, but I guess it just got lost in the writing process and I ended up emphasizing the dark side too much

  • @HuntingViolets

    @HuntingViolets

    5 ай бұрын

    @@HarboWholmes As I say in a crazy long comment, I think Ten is the darker of the two.

  • @mayotango1317

    @mayotango1317

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@HuntingVioletsPlease, the Eleventh Doctor is the Time Champion in the New Series.

  • @HuntingViolets

    @HuntingViolets

    5 ай бұрын

    @@mayotango1317 I'm not sure what that has to do with my comparing two other Doctors, but I'll bite. Who is killing the Eleventh Doctor?

  • @mayotango1317

    @mayotango1317

    5 ай бұрын

    @@HuntingViolets kzread.info/dash/bejne/m4N6x5uOpr2WiNo.htmlsi=SubldRkOUGgVd92L

  • @sp7318
    @sp73185 ай бұрын

    Hot take: Out of the two RTD Doctors, I think 9 is better than 10. As good as Tennant was, Eccleston seriously deserves more screen time out of any other Doctor along with McGann since I feel he left too early! It was understandable as to why, but still. You really click with him once Series 1 concludes, and as such he cozily puts himself up there as my 2nd favorite incarnation right behind the 11th.

  • @thatotherted3555
    @thatotherted35555 ай бұрын

    Your extension of Rose's recklessness arc reminds me very much of Clara's recklessness arc with 12.

  • @elliotjohnston1283

    @elliotjohnston1283

    5 ай бұрын

    That’s what I immediately thought as well

  • @ontos8914

    @ontos8914

    5 ай бұрын

    That’s literally all this is he just made 9 into 12

  • @StefanFlyer
    @StefanFlyer5 ай бұрын

    I imagine School Reunion with Nine opposite. He meets his old friend from better times long before the war and learn that life's continues no matter what. Maybe there are civilizations that had been touched by a Time War. But there are much more people who just lived. So his whole life is not limited by this catastrophic event. There were good times too and he can have more of it in the future if he wants to.

  • @BrowncoatInABox

    @BrowncoatInABox

    5 ай бұрын

    For context I attempted suicide 3 times, please keep your "better times are coming" or "sorry man" to yourself, it's the context not for sympathy farming. I got to run into a friend from my trucking days, and he mentioned that I'm a vastly different person. This was about a year after my 3rd attempt, which was strangely helpful to my mental health as it was my revelation that I'm not actually ok. It did make me a darker person and more open to the topic of death. As I was mentioning this to him he started questioning if he ever actually knew me. I responded "yeah I legitimately don't know myself either"

  • @StefanFlyer

    @StefanFlyer

    5 ай бұрын

    @@BrowncoatInABox dear god. You won't believe but I can understand this. You need help from specialists, I hope it is available to you or you do this already. But I didn't try to touch such topics. I just was thinking of fictional character and his possible arc in a timeline that never happened. Really far from cruel reality. I imagined this one as more positive because well School Reunion. You had a bad exp with this one but it's always works both ways. There are bad there are good. Notice I didn't deny the way it was in a video but either have an opposite conception. I just believe it would be right for the story to have this more positive moment in the middle. Also resonate good with Sarah's advice to Rose.

  • @mayotango1317

    @mayotango1317

    5 ай бұрын

    The problem is that the Ninth Doctor is similar to the Hinchcliffe Fourth Doctor.

  • @jamestorrie6550
    @jamestorrie65505 ай бұрын

    If it was eccleston in school reunion then he'd definitely be a woodwork teacher

  • @ShadowWingTronix
    @ShadowWingTronix5 ай бұрын

    I have trouble believing Davies would kill off Rose Tyler. His response to Billie Piper leaving was rough. He really wanted his Doctor/Rose love story and losing it made him lose it. He even named Donna's kid Rose.

  • @aidanrfleming

    @aidanrfleming

    5 ай бұрын

    Billie also only left because Chris left, otherwise she’d have stayed on an extra series or something more like Amy or Clara

  • @EmpireGamingWynter

    @EmpireGamingWynter

    5 ай бұрын

    @@aidanrfleming she didn't leave with Chris though and every interview with her I can find quotes her as saying she left because she didn't want to be seen as a role model and the role gave her more fame than she could handle, having been a much smaller star before the role

  • @josephskinner4852
    @josephskinner48525 ай бұрын

    Having the Master die in 9s hands would be PHENOMENAL. Perhaps after an arc where he comes to terms over the time war, The Master’s death pushes him over the edge and he abandons their companion to do a few solo episodes. In that time he can learn that companionship is in fact what he needs. And he returns to his old friends one by one, checking in to see how they’re doing. Upon meeting Donna again, she is excited and tells him about the adipose, leading into the meat of the next season

  • @BobPsomiadis
    @BobPsomiadis5 ай бұрын

    If No9 stayed for at least 3 series ,he would have consolidated his position as the greatest doctor of them all .Instead, he is badly underappreciated and, at one stage, almost forgotten .

  • @Rocketpigs
    @Rocketpigs5 ай бұрын

    This is fantastic. The only downside, there's no Donna Noble yet - those two would ascend together!

  • @sanddagger36

    @sanddagger36

    5 ай бұрын

    I'm sure Christopher and Catherine Tate would have a wonderful dynamic. They could even have her appear in the "runaway bride" while Martha is still a companion. Then she is the one who gets stuck in the Tardis and whisked away to the geneses planet in "the doctor's daughter" At that part Martha may choose to stay there with the Hath to help them rebuild. Maybe when Jennie dies, the doctor will not just let it go because Rose just died. So he works hard to make her regenerate and she becomes a new companion after that. Then split all the light-hearten episodes like "Unicorn and Wasp" from ones like "midnight." Donna would only be present for the first half of what would be series 3, before going home and leaving 9 and Jennie to have all the serious adventures like "silence in the library." However, once River Song dies, Jennie will become obsessed with finding out who she was and when the doctor refuses because of spoilers, she takes the square gun and the vortex manipulator and runs off on her own adventures in time. This leaves the doctor alone again for an episode "Midnight" until Kate Stewart calls him back to Earth for the "The Sontaran Stratagem" With no one else on earth he cares about, he calls Sarah Jane and Donna Noble to make sure they are safe when the sky gets poisoned. Neither one plays all that big of a role in the solution, but right afterward Donna collapses with apparent memories of "Turn Left" just appearing in her mind. They rush into the Tardis and the Earth disappears beneath them. In "the stolen Earth" the emotional reunion at the end is with Martha and not Rose. She has been recruited by the Shadow Proclamation because she is officially the last human in the galaxy because Earth disappearing in 2008 means that no human colonies ever went out into the stars. Again the doctor gets shot but he shrugs it off. Then he resolves the reality bomb in a similar way because Donna uses her second brain from "Turn Left" to learn the Dalek controls and kill them all. They fly the Earth home and The doctor erases Donna's memories of "Turn Left" and then goes outside to talk to Wilf to give him instructions on what not to do around Donna. There Wilf sees him collapse and regenerate due to the effects of the Dalek shot he was still suffering from. This leaves the specials to be either David Tenant's or Matt Smith's, whoever you prefer.

  • @HuntingViolets

    @HuntingViolets

    5 ай бұрын

    @@sanddagger36 The worst thing about Jenny being with a different Doctor would be David Tennant not meeting Georgia, but I'm going to assume they would have met anyway. :)

  • @wordart_guian

    @wordart_guian

    5 ай бұрын

    I feel like series 4 at least needed to be tenant, because tenant and tate are irl friends (and already were pre-dw) which is why they were so good together

  • @unamoonstar

    @unamoonstar

    5 ай бұрын

    @@wordart_guian Actually, David and Catherine knew *of* each other prior to working together on Doctor Who, but had never met before The Runaway Bride. And they didn't even get to meet at the read-through - Catherine couldn't make it to that for whatever reason - so they met on set when they filmed the rooftop scene, then quickly became very good friends irl. They've both talked about that in interviews. However, I completely agree Ten would have to be there for a season four with Donna! And if Donna met Nine first, it could be really interesting to see her reaction to a different version of the Doctor...

  • @sanddagger36

    @sanddagger36

    5 ай бұрын

    @@HuntingViolets Peter and David actually met during episode 1 of "The Mrs Bradley Mysteries" and Peter came to see David on his first day on set of Doctor Who. They have been good friends for longer than Doctor Who. I'm sure Georgia and David would've met at some point.

  • @bluminade
    @bluminadeАй бұрын

    I misread the thumbnail as "what if he slayed?"

  • @Robert10075
    @Robert100755 ай бұрын

    That would’ve been a far superior plot in any case, Mickey Smith copping off with Madame De Pomidor In front of Rose and her new fella basically 😅

  • @touchstonefan0348
    @touchstonefan03485 ай бұрын

    For this What If I've also always thought that maybe Jack doesn't "die" in Parting of the Ways. So that way we could have a full season of Nine, Rose and Jack. To me the best dynamic we didn't get enough of. The three of them were so good together. For Torchwood fans, maybe Jack departs in the series 2 finale and we still get that series just later than before.

  • @TJKlimoski
    @TJKlimoski5 ай бұрын

    RTD whould've just had Rose let the time vortex energy go.

  • @keknik1337

    @keknik1337

    5 ай бұрын

    Modern RTD or 2000s RTD?

  • @HuntingViolets

    @HuntingViolets

    5 ай бұрын

    Originally the Doctor was not planned to regenerate from taking the energy, so I imagine that he simply would have recovered. Maybe they could have had the Christmas episode with him still going through recovery similar to how it was. Not sure what would have happened with Harriet Jones, though. I get your joke, though.

  • @dothemaths1256
    @dothemaths12565 ай бұрын

    Please do series 3 this is fantastic

  • @daleeagle7102

    @daleeagle7102

    3 ай бұрын

    I need this

  • @HuntingViolets
    @HuntingViolets5 ай бұрын

    I actually think the Tenth Doctor is darker than the Ninth Doctor. They both like to goof around and have adventures; is Ten really any happier? And Rose and Ten making a mockery of the situation in "Tooth and Claw" is much darker than taking it seriously. That is what led Queen Victoria setting up Torchwood originally. Rose is a dark character in Series 2 because the Tenth Doctor enables that, while the Ninth Doctor and Rose acted as brakes against each other's worst tendencies ("Father's Day," "Dalek"). (Rose's later use of the dimension cannon can be seen as dark and Ten's burning up a sun to say goodbye--although there can also be more benign explanations.) I'm surprised you don't find Eccleston's Doctor to be "wisecracking and charismatic" because I absolutely do. I think a relationship between Nine and Reinette makes more sense than with Ten, actually, because we are constantly shown Ten and Rose being infatuated with each other, while Nine falling for someone else doesn't seem as if the Doctor is being taken over by an AU version for a single episode. Although I certainly think there is a flirtatious aspect and some romantic subtext in the first season, Nine could easily have gotten involved with Jabe, for instance, without Rose minding that much, and Rose was interested in at least three other men, including being willing to spend the night in a hotel with Mickey. The idea of Mickey and Reinette is certainly interesting, though, and I probably would have preferred something like that for the Tenth Doctor (for reasons I have already expressed). I think you could still do "Christmas Invasion" because Nine could need to recover from taking the energy from Rose in (a retitled) "Parting of the Ways." Maybe things could have gone better for Harriet Jones. The Tenth Doctor disposes of Britain's Golden Age without much thought. Why couldn't we still have a swordfight? I'm certainly down with getting a Metacrisis Nine. :)

  • @jewishunicorn7489
    @jewishunicorn74895 ай бұрын

    Really interesting to explore Rose having a Clara-esque arc with becoming more like the Doctor to the detriment of both of them. Well done

  • @joefreeman3087
    @joefreeman30875 ай бұрын

    Ooooh Mickey and Reinette would have put Rose in her place once and for all. Love it.

  • @stevenappleman3440
    @stevenappleman34405 ай бұрын

    Man would have loved to see Eccleston get at least 1 more series. He's still My favorite doctor. Great video!

  • @pundahandz7403
    @pundahandz74035 ай бұрын

    These Eccelston thumbnails for the episodes are top notch. Really wish we could see this What If series now

  • @batlord7690
    @batlord76905 ай бұрын

    This was a very interesting deviation from the original plotline, but I really liked it. The choices you made, I found to be very in-character for the Ninth Doctor and the decisions in the episodes expressed his story arc in a deeply engaging way. I'd love to see this continue and if possible see Nine meet Donna, she'd constantly be slapping him around as he'd probably pout about it.

  • @theentity5201
    @theentity52015 ай бұрын

    Series 2 would be a lot more consistent, the sudden leaving of eccelstone definitely is felt, series 2 was a bit inconsistent and didn't take itself as seriously Also was Tennants shakiest season, rose definitely subtracted from his performance

  • @lukemiles04
    @lukemiles045 ай бұрын

    Would absolutely love another one of these style of what if videos

  • @Austrocylindropuntia
    @Austrocylindropuntia5 ай бұрын

    I really enjoyed this, I’d love to see you continue on with S3.

  • @QueerCoral
    @QueerCoralАй бұрын

    This is SUCH a good video and it really feels like I just got to watch a whole series. You've done such a phenomenal job at creating and explaining the could-be stories ❤

  • @jamesmacaulayofficial6388
    @jamesmacaulayofficial63885 ай бұрын

    This is really good Harbo! I actually loved the ending

  • @MAXXWORX
    @MAXXWORXАй бұрын

    You did a good job with the stories. Would be cool to have seen them not only in my mind while listening.

  • @alexkoch3712
    @alexkoch37125 ай бұрын

    I easily agree with everything here except of course the final thing. You should do an "If Peter Capaldi stayed for Series 11" one too 🙏

  • @leecarroll4622
    @leecarroll46224 ай бұрын

    I wish we had have got this s2 instead. It sounds so much better.

  • @yumithehunter6292
    @yumithehunter62925 ай бұрын

    I think not much would change other than the doctors personality. But I’m kinda only thinking that he would leave with rose and have a 2 season run

  • @dougsfilmtv9810
    @dougsfilmtv98105 ай бұрын

    That was a great video! I could see School Reunion being different and seeing the 9th Doctor and Sarah Jane together would be interesting. I would love to see you do a Series 3.

  • @rhyssuxx
    @rhyssuxx5 ай бұрын

    I really enjoyed this (and some of your ideas could have been better than what we got on screen!) - id watch a whole series of Harbo Wholmes What If videos 😂

  • @DoctorRayman
    @DoctorRayman5 ай бұрын

    I have spent a lot of time thinking about this, so it's nice to see I'm not alone. Really enjoyed this video and all of the beats make sense and most of the changes are probably better than what we actually got! Well, aside from the return of the Bad Wolf, but I get why you did you and it does make sense from a narrative point of view if not a dramatic one. Haven't looked to see if you ever did the S3 vid, but to be honest this would completely change the trajectory of the entire show, not just for the RTD era but we'd still be seeing the fallout of this change today. So this could easily turn into a full series chronicling how everything would have changed up to Series 14. I'd be here for it anyway :D

  • @Lia-zw1ls7tz7o
    @Lia-zw1ls7tz7o5 ай бұрын

    Wow! I wish this what if had actually happened! That sounds like a great series! Also, I always wanted a Nine/Martha TARDIS team! One of the fictional teams I'd love to travel with!

  • @selatidos
    @selatidos5 ай бұрын

    i want series 10 reviews soon ,harbo

  • @philippedp9909
    @philippedp99095 ай бұрын

    pls pls pls continue this series

  • @jeremythomaswebb1485
    @jeremythomaswebb14855 ай бұрын

    Wow! Nice What IF Video! I would very much like to see what happens next! :)

  • @tardissixteen8178
    @tardissixteen81785 ай бұрын

    I think that finale is exactly what RTD at the time would’ve done. Good job!

  • @gramsci747
    @gramsci7475 ай бұрын

    It was great! Looking forward to your S3.

  • @cameronjosephvideos5942
    @cameronjosephvideos59424 ай бұрын

    Taking a few issues with this. 1. It is said that Jack would've stayed on had Eccleston stayed. It's clear they were setting up more with him with the whole time agent mysterious past thing. 2. Smith and Jones doesn't work as a companion's first adventure. You need to wow the companion, see her experience the adventure for the first time. A trip to a 21st century hospital in a slightly different Earth than she's used to is not that. Sure there's some excitement to come later than the moon, but the Doctor is supposed to impress you on your first adventure. End of the World, William Shakespeare, Ancient Rome, Starship UK, 1500s Venice, Akhaten, A colony on another planet, all impressive places and Martha just gets, slightly different Earth. 3. The idea of Martha softening the Doctor and not being moulded by him like Rose would be great... except that is exactly what Rose was doing in Series 1, you just changed her character to suit the narrative. 4. The idea of two finales in a row being solved my magic Bad Wolf omnipotency feels extremely cheap, even if it does come at the cost of Rose's life. It works for a one time thing, Parting of the Ways only gets away with it because of a regeneration. Without that, Rose really should just die. Obviously RTD is unlikely to do that, but come on.

  • @bjgandalf69
    @bjgandalf695 ай бұрын

    I think you really did a good job of trying to incorporate the existing storylines and companion changes to make the thru line work with the 9th Doctor staying. I'm not sure using the elements you had to incorporate you could have done a better job. Bravo!

  • @Redboots
    @Redboots5 ай бұрын

    this was such a fascinating dive into an alternate scenario! in regards to your comment about it feeling 'fanfiction-y', at this point writing anything for dr who would feel like writing fanfiction, imo. it's in a unique position amongst television, only joined by things like star trek or other very long-running television programmes, as there's more similarities between a fanfiction and the actual stories due to the constant evolution and continuation by fresh writers of the programmes. I could be wrong, of course, and if I manage to find out I'll probably update with that knowledge lol

  • @luhguren
    @luhguren5 ай бұрын

    So cool!!! Please do a part 2!!! xD

  • @theIrishGandalf
    @theIrishGandalf5 ай бұрын

    Carry on with this series Harbo, love "what if's" about Eccleston and the dark side we could've seen.

  • @f-zilla7347
    @f-zilla73475 ай бұрын

    If you do a Series 3 version, then you ought to do a realistic Series 4-6 with a different Tenth Doctor.

  • @MatthewCaunsfield
    @MatthewCaunsfield5 ай бұрын

    This is something I've often wondered and this vid was a good exploration, if unexpected at times! I got serious Classic-Who vibes on the companion swapover 👍

  • @Gent82
    @Gent825 ай бұрын

    Good speculative video. I'd wondered about this myself.

  • @christophersheets5452
    @christophersheets54525 ай бұрын

    Someone get Big Finish on the line and make that Mickey-centered Girl In The Fireplace episode! Also, love the split Series 2 structure with Martha.

  • @peterratter6603
    @peterratter6603Ай бұрын

    I'm late to the party, but thank you for sharing - that was cool!

  • @ontos8914
    @ontos89145 ай бұрын

    “They would be more platonic” that’s just missing the 9th doctor’s character

  • @zeusmanlord1602
    @zeusmanlord16025 ай бұрын

    This is really, really good!

  • @KIRSTYnotKRISTY_
    @KIRSTYnotKRISTY_5 ай бұрын

    firstly, this is fantastic please do season 3! secondly, do you ever plan to continue the torchwood reviews? dying for your thoughts on coe!!

  • @TheMelloyMan
    @TheMelloyMan5 ай бұрын

    I'd love to see more videos like this for other doctors too :0

  • @thomaslewis9526
    @thomaslewis95265 ай бұрын

    This video inspires me! It is a thing of beauty. There are so many times fan content trashes every smallest detail and second guesses every choice the writers made. They just trash the original creative work. In their imaginations, their version would be worshiped and held beyond criticism. This happens so much that you start to see the whoniverse as a toxic cesspool of Galactic dimensions. You think, "I'll just buy the DVD's, enjoy the hell out of them and completely ignore and block anthing else". But there are some pretty cool fans. Dr. Who means so much to so many different kinds of people that seeing it through their eyes is always insightful. Anyway, you start with their creative work, accept it for what it is and go on to make your own creative and valuable content. And I think have a good intuition for how their perdonalities might develop. Well done!!!

  • @cwjackowitz
    @cwjackowitz5 ай бұрын

    This was very good! I'd love to season 3!

  • @joefreeman3087
    @joefreeman30875 ай бұрын

    15:15 If Nine and Martha wore these similar outfits it would be a lovely lil' subtle callback to when Four and Romana wore similar outfits in Destiny of the Daleks. I love the episode outfits you picked for Martha, by the way.

  • @vanimapermai
    @vanimapermai5 ай бұрын

    I hope you do season 3 I love all these what if videos that have been going around the starwars channels I'm so glad people have started them for doctor who as well

  • @doyouknowthemossinman
    @doyouknowthemossinman18 күн бұрын

    this absolutely is not "edgy wattpad fanfic" like you maybe thought when writing. this is beautiful, fleshed out, engaging ao3 fanfic!!

  • @christallaktorides6904
    @christallaktorides69044 ай бұрын

    You made Rose and The Doctor into Clara and The Doctor. You turned them into villains that could never be. The Doctor had his moments but he realised he had gone too far and stopped. The Doctor and companions are more complicated

  • @thepunkmuppet
    @thepunkmuppet5 ай бұрын

    you NEED to write this as a fanfiction!!! I’d read the absolute hell out of this

  • @Noggies
    @Noggies5 ай бұрын

    I don't think the ending to new earth would be darker just because it's 9 instead of 10. Incarnations of the doctor are alowlled to go through change and growth, in series one 9 definitely softens up by the end because of the connections he had with Rose and 10 even said Rose made him better. 12 became less angry and cold like 9, 10 got less happy I felt, and even 11 became less irratable, I think 9 showing Casandra compassion would show character growth for 9. 9s arc in series one to me is him finally letting himself heal his trauma from the time war and thus we get 10

  • @justynmatlock8873
    @justynmatlock88735 ай бұрын

    The 'Bad Wolf Entity' makes nonsense of The Time War. Why idn't the Time Lords just do what Rose did and destroy the Daleks that way, without their own mutual destruction ? It might have cost one Time Lord one regeneration, but surely that would be a worth-while sacrifice ?

  • @rupertroberto
    @rupertroberto5 ай бұрын

    Jesus, I never realised she was 19 in Rose. Really puts their relationship in a bit of a worse light.

  • @ftumschk

    @ftumschk

    5 ай бұрын

    It pales into insignificance compared to Susan getting into a relationship with David Campbell when she was just over 16!

  • @novagray4143

    @novagray4143

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@ftumschkand then her grandfather abandoning her with him even though they've barely met

  • @mayotango1317

    @mayotango1317

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@ftumschkSusan had more that 16 years old.

  • @ses694

    @ses694

    5 ай бұрын

    @@mayotango1317In the serial "Marco Polo" she states that she is 16 years old, and also has an interesting relationship with the 16 year old princess she shared a bed with

  • @mayotango1317

    @mayotango1317

    5 ай бұрын

    @@ses694 Please, she is a Time Lady. Maybe she had 160 years old.

  • @Mythologicalmemes
    @Mythologicalmemes5 ай бұрын

    I love how what-if videos have suddenly become very popular in this community,I am not sure if force Dalek or whatever started on it.

  • @jaygent2836
    @jaygent28365 ай бұрын

    Love this re-imagining

  • @blakesheldon3167
    @blakesheldon31675 ай бұрын

    Please do a series 3

  • @mayotango1317
    @mayotango13175 ай бұрын

    Honestly the Ninth Doctor would remind Sarah Jane a lot of her Doctor, the Hinchcliffe Fourth Doctor. Both are very similar.

  • @theauthor1238
    @theauthor12385 ай бұрын

    Quite an insightful alternative to the series 2 we ended up getting. With that in mind, however, I don't think I agree with Martha's ark in comparison to what we see in series 3. Despite her unfair treatment, it sets a purpose to not only the Doctor's flawed mindset on Rose, but it also challenges them both with their diametrically opposed perspectives. As for Mickey, I do feel that he needed someone to get over Rose - and with a strong soul like Madam Pe Dompidor, (I no doubt butchered the correct spelling xD) it certainly gives the story a plot device to move things forward.

  • @HuntingViolets

    @HuntingViolets

    5 ай бұрын

    de Pompadour

  • @ses694

    @ses694

    5 ай бұрын

    Not sure it would work tbh, I think she liked the doctor for his intelligence and rizz whereas Mickey is more of an everyman character

  • @liamness5155
    @liamness51555 ай бұрын

    loved this what if video

  • @Cryscorde
    @Cryscorde2 ай бұрын

    I would’ve loved to see the 9th Doctor’s reaction to Micky activating the Genesis Ark.

  • @matthewbutcher7626
    @matthewbutcher7626Ай бұрын

    Really enjoyed this alternative concept for Series 2. I myself would really be interested in seeing what your version of Series 3 would be about. Am a bit surprised thought that you didn't end up incorporating any of the original plans RTD had for Jack Harkness in your version though. Considering how things went thought (both in your version and the official canon), maybe that is something that could, and probably would, work better to be explored in your alternative third season likley? 🤔🙂

  • @spacecoyote9137
    @spacecoyote91375 ай бұрын

    Best 9th doctor stays idea I've seen 👏

  • @Enjay001
    @Enjay001Ай бұрын

    A reasonable set of "what if" conclusions and theories. All I know is that I was gutted that Christopher Eccleston only did one series. Eccleston is a brilliant actor and has been one of my favourites for a very long time (since he started to come to prominence in the early 90s I guess). I thought his interpretation of the Doctor was fantastic (ahem). For me, there was no settling in period; he was the Doctor instantly. I was absolutely glued to the screen whenever he was on, totally commanding it and the role. I believed the PTSD, war-damaged Doctor completely and the redemption path that he was on. The moments of rage (e.g. meeting the Dalek in the episode of that name) or the sprks of hope that things mught just work out sometimes (e.g. when he was willing the nanogenes to figure things out and allow "eveyone [to] live, just this once" in The Doctor Dances - honestly, The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances is probably still my favourite new era story). And that's not to dump on anyone who has followed him. The quality of actors who have taken the role since the show's resurrection is stellar. I just wanted more Christopher Eccleston than we got.

  • @VivianJade
    @VivianJadeАй бұрын

    I'm imagining time crash with 9, and I think i love it

  • @connectionlost1063
    @connectionlost10635 ай бұрын

    Haven’t watched yet but I fully believe it was the perfect choice to place a regeneration in that first season of the reboot, it brought attention to a big part of what makes doctor who so different from other sci fi to any first time viewers like myself and that eccleston season was such a great example of peak doctor who having it where it was just made so much sense

  • @matthewteague623
    @matthewteague623Ай бұрын

    As much as I loved Eccleston's portrayal of the Doctor.... I'm not sure I could have seen him pull off the meeting with Sarah Jane Smith with the same kind of giddy excitement that Tennant had. And that worked so well, I'm kind of glad things worked out as they did. Liz Sladen only had just so many years as that point.

  • @psych0536
    @psych05365 ай бұрын

    oh I'd love a continuation of this video. Ninth doctor in s3 and maybe even a video of if the 10th doctors first series was s4

  • @derianimp
    @derianimp5 ай бұрын

    PLEASE DO MORE

  • @skinner219
    @skinner2195 ай бұрын

    Oh I have got one idea for you Harbo. What if the Doctor was in Children of Earth?

  • @Jesse-gx7mn
    @Jesse-gx7mnАй бұрын

    Eccleston is the "What If" of the entire Doctor Who Universe...Truly!

  • @Lowehart
    @Lowehart5 ай бұрын

    I feel like in the school episode with Sarah Jane, Nine wouldn't have replaced K-9 after the heroic sacrifice. He was a little colder, a little darker, and I feel that his way of seeing some loss as simply collateral would mean he wouldn't gift a new model. This could leave room for him to have cameoed after season 2 here, when he is healing, to bring that model to her. I would love to see season 3 done, as I'm quite curious how you think the Titanic episode would have gone, given it once again has a romance subplot.

  • @joannelively9934
    @joannelively99345 ай бұрын

    I really like this 'What's If'👍

  • @louiseaves484
    @louiseaves4845 ай бұрын

    Yes please let’s go for another series

  • @evelynstarshine8561
    @evelynstarshine85615 ай бұрын

    What about a, What if NewWho had McGann's eight ala Big Finish instead of Eccleston's 9?

  • @JayLiszte
    @JayLiszte23 күн бұрын

    Hope we get another one. What if stuff it awesome.

  • @lucyairapetian407
    @lucyairapetian4075 ай бұрын

    I swear to god I saw this video come out yesterday

  • @victorpeterson3502
    @victorpeterson35025 ай бұрын

    this makes me wish that Big Finish would make this into an audio series!

  • @Lia-zw1ls7tz7o
    @Lia-zw1ls7tz7o5 ай бұрын

    I would albsolutely love a series 3 version! 😀

  • @melodysoundy7627
    @melodysoundy76275 ай бұрын

    I loved this its very unique and love how you've removed all the romance elements.

  • @Samviking01
    @Samviking015 ай бұрын

    Man Harbo needs to be showrunner now. loving every single plot twist 😅

  • @SwampKryakwa
    @SwampKryakwa21 күн бұрын

    9th doctor will always be my favourite just because of how truly unique he feels compared to other doctors

  • @duvall5jd
    @duvall5jd3 ай бұрын

    It sounded like such a fun series 2. A third series would be so exciting.

  • @SteveCowlishaw
    @SteveCowlishaw5 ай бұрын

    I like the twist, but I sorta reckon they would've most likely kept to the same episode order, just with a little bit of jiggery-pokery and obviously the ways the doctor acts. Piper may have stayed on with Eccleston, he might've convinced her to stay maybe, who knows. It's a little like how Tennant may have stuck around for the season with Moffat, Moffat explained that the very first episode would be the 10th Doctor moments away from death as the raggedy man

  • @HuntingViolets
    @HuntingViolets5 ай бұрын

    This was very interesting. I guess Martha Jones doesn't exist in the usual universe or is the person working at Canary Wharf instead of her cousin, Adeola (since Martha has already been working with the Ninth Doctor now prior to that episode)?

  • @neorocket95
    @neorocket955 ай бұрын

    I genuinely think narratively having 9 regenerate at the end of the first season is really good as someone who came into the series with series 1

  • @leebiggs14
    @leebiggs144 ай бұрын

    Will you be doing a what if Christopher Eccleston stayed for Series 3 video?

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