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@jessetorres8738

4 ай бұрын

Capaldi was my favorite Doctor & Gomez was my favorite Master, & part of the reason why was I felt they had such strong chemistry as 2 old friends turned rivals who wanted to reconnect on par with that of Pertwee & Delgado. While Smith was a great Doctor, I doubt he would have had that same chemistry with Michelle Gomez's Missy Master. Furthermore, with the exception of Paul McGann not getting at least 1 Season as The Doctor, the biggest "what if" missed opportunity Doctor Who will ever have was Capaldi not getting a 4th season as The Doctor with Missy as his companion (alongside Bill & Nardole). I feel that would have been the ultimate TARDIS team as you would have the tragic hero (Capaldi knowing it's his final season), the romantic foil (Missy trying to be The Doctor's friend again), the exposition & audience POV character (Bill), & the likable comic relief (Nardole).

@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914

4 ай бұрын

You mention "Robots of Sherwood"... did you watch the pre-draft versions of the episodes in black and white from season 8 back in the day? I still got them on DVD-r. WAtched some Danny Pink episodes. Loved the 2nd Doctor feel it gave and the ROBIN HOOD Robots of Sherwood episode has the original DECAPITATION scene of the sheriff , but its a robot. It was cut back in the day cuz there were british soldiers decapited in some extremist muslim terrorist attsack sadly.

@jackrichardson1853

4 ай бұрын

Would love a series of this. Like if Eccleston did Series 2, if Tennant did Series 5 and if Capaldi did Series 11

@0utlawrecaps

3 ай бұрын

can you please tell me the copyright policies are tight on Dr who?

In hindsight, I do feel that 11 being the last incarnation of the Doctor’s first cycle retroactively benefits his “death” arc in S6 slightly. It could’ve been a lot more imo, but the idea that the Doctor was struggling with the idea of being without his usual ‘get out of death free’ card silently is a neat head-canon.

@JOCoStudio1

4 ай бұрын

It does make all the fake out regeneration absolute nonsense though, unfortunately.

@ocgmercury

4 ай бұрын

also consider when he healed river in angels take manhattan, he was giving away what he thought was his last life

@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547

4 ай бұрын

@@JOCoStudio1not really, the doctor knew they didn’t know

@mickys8065

4 ай бұрын

@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 River should have known though, at that point in time. (The older River that is, not the astronaut one), and more to the point the Silence should know. Time Lords having a fixed number of regenerations wasn't unknown to the galaxy as a whole, and the only unknown might be that 10 regenerated back into 10/

@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914

4 ай бұрын

in season 8 they would not have cut the scene of decapitation if it was shot sooner ... it happend to broadcast close after some sad decapitations in real life so the BBC changed the scene. BUT the workprint videos found online through leaks have the ori9ginal decapitated sherif of nothingham bot

1:26 i actually like how goofy the doctor gets it's like he's pushing himself more and more into denial tbh that goes with my headcanon that the doctors from Matt onward are an analogy for the 5 stages of grief denial is 11 anger is 12 then bargaining with 13 depression with the return of 10 as 14 and finally acceptance with 15

@thephoenixsystem6765

4 ай бұрын

Grief... for Rose?

@ogpandamonium

4 ай бұрын

How is 13 bargaining and 14 depression?

@music2012pink

4 ай бұрын

​@@thephoenixsystem6765 he was very grief stricken about his regeneration, his "so much more" speech, his good bye trips, and then still not ready to go.

@jeffreycruz526

4 ай бұрын

@@ogpandamoniumI honestly get the confusion, but the way that 12 was doing his last scene almost could be seen as him bargaining with the TARDIS to keep going. “Let’s get it right,” and then doing a whole criteria of who this next Doctor, 13, was going to be. 13s existence (and you can even see it with how Chibs and the BBC were handling the show) is almost entirely the Doctor trying to convince herself and the TARDIS that doing the same old same old adventures is the way to go. This then could lead to 14 being depression, which PERFECTLY fits with how his story ends: him resting and healing from EVERYTHING with the Nobles. Then perfectly leading to ACCEPTANCE being 15:” I’m fine because you fix yourself.” 15 is energetic and happy because 14 healed (but how that works with bigeneration is all up in the air🤷‍♂️)

@music2012pink

4 ай бұрын

​@@ogpandamonium with 12 being angry, keep forcing down the regeneration, 13 is when they start to really mix things up and bargaining with himself with something new, then something old with 14 (who like everyone was saying was "running off fumes" and couldn't even enjoy his win from the toy maker. He splits in 2 with 15 borrowing half of his clothes and is the complete opposite of tennent, including having a rejuvenated mental state, having finished their mental health journey. But we still have some that can make him blue in the future.

Anyone else feel like Matt Smith’s run came to quite an abrupt end? He was and still is my absolute favourite, but I remember feeling an absolute high at the time feeling like his run was going super strong, and then we got the news dropped just one day outta the blue and I was like “Oh, this is gonna be it?!” I don’t think it’s necessarily true that Eleven didn’t work without the Ponds. I just feel like he needed a full and proper 12/13 epsiode series with Clara where she’s written more like she was in Series 8.

@philomenayap367

4 ай бұрын

HARD AGREE

I really wish Matt Smith kept the original TARDIS from his run (from 5 - 7A) for the whole time instead of switching to the new one Capaldi used in 7B's "The Snowman." It kinda felt like 12 had a "Hand me down" from 11. Imagine the end of "Deep Breath" but instead Capaldi gets an epic new Tardis reveal. Wouldn't that be epic?

@JoshLStuff

4 ай бұрын

Again probably adds to the idea he was originally doing series 8 I suppose

@MrWalkr

4 ай бұрын

Capaldi got an update at least..similar to Tennant getting Ecclestones, and I don't think there's many complaints about that so 🤷‍♂️

@EK_Beast

4 ай бұрын

Matt wanted to do S8 but while it’s not been openly confirmed by the BBC because they never would admit it they pushed him out of the role, the same goes for Capaldi Borge actors loved Doctor Who and Matt wanted to do at least 1 more season possibly 2. Capaldi really saw himself as the Doctor still does today and wanted to play the role as long as possible he could easily gone on for 5 more years, but again the BBC pushed him out. It’s one of the reasons all this time later Matt now has begun to begrudge the BBC for what they’ve done to the show, how they pushed him out and how they’ve never asked him back not even for the 60’th. Which is why Matt has stated recently he doesn’t ever want to return unless it’s perhaps for something like to play the Master stealing one of the doctors faces which is a great idea and would actually be an excellent story. Capaldi on the other hand again is sorta doing a Tom Baker where he wanted to stay as long as possible until he was removed and then will never return as it makes it that much more special for the time he had.

@olived9560

4 ай бұрын

@@EK_Beastwhat are your sources?

@Wonkothenormal

Ай бұрын

Well I think that actually can work well. New docotor doesn't have to mean new Tardis. I feel it works well if there is an overlap between the changes so to speak.

I remember seeing somewhere someone had the idea of bringing Matt Smith back as the Next Master but he's pretending to be 11 and I think that's an awesome idea. Smith could play a spectacular Master and it seems like something the character would do

I do think the idea of 11 and Danny clashing over their military past would be very interesting to watch especially after 11 saves Gallifrey.

In an ideal world, the Ponds would have left at the end of Series 6. They were dead weight after The Wedding of River Song and The Angels Take Manhattan was trash, especially compared to their perfectly satisfying sendoff in The God Complex. Their story should have ended with River telling them that the Doctor survived and Amy realising that she's his mother in law. Series 7 should have been focussed entirely on Smith and Clara.

@FullFatVideos

4 ай бұрын

I could see this. The 5 extra episodes don’t especially go anywhere and it really feels like Series 7 is two completely different seasons

I did not like Capaldi in season 8, but my god season 9 and 10 made him my second favorite doctor. And Missy is by far the best incarnation of the master.

@windghost2

4 ай бұрын

Season 10 was my favorite season of his.

@TheDopekitty

4 ай бұрын

I was a newbie whovian when Smith started so he was my doctor until Peter Capaldi came along and stole my heart.

You should do this with David Tennant in Series 5! A Moffat written 10th Doctor sounds interesting

@FullFatVideos

4 ай бұрын

Already planned this one out because I had so much fun on this!

@godofthetranses3183

4 ай бұрын

​@FullFatVideos Yay! I was hoping for this, especially since there were already plans just in case he did stay ive read about a bit

@anthonyfisher-7090

Ай бұрын

I think from what I heard it would have played out with Eleventh Hour opening with the 10th Doctor crashing and beginning to regenerate before flying off again. Years later the 10th doctor from further back in his time stream meets Amy again for his first time and her second time. Thus building in the series of Tennants regeneration coming and what happens

I'd say the weeping angels were a worthy contender for eleven's main villain, appearing in his first series, cameo-ing in his second series, taking the ponds away from him in his third, and also showing up in his regeneration episode, albeit also a cameo

@FullFatVideos

4 ай бұрын

But they’re a recurring threat, not exactly a cerebral nemesis / equal

@willemmmmm

4 ай бұрын

The problem with the Weeping Angels being 11's 'main villain' lies in the fact that the Weeping Angels aren't very strong as a recurring villain. Their original concept was so simple yet so powerful that it didn't leave much room for expansion. The lore that keeps getting piled on only detracts from them; it becomes messy, convoluted, and ultimately takes away from their mystique. It's like if the Midnight Entity was visually depicted and given a backstory - no thanks!!

Really like the idea of the series structure and how dynamic it would make the Doctor and Clara’s relationship over just one series going from the typical companion to her becoming angry and disillusioned with him to then a sadness after Danny’s sacrifice that the doctor is unable to fix leading to her stepping into the raven.

Series 7 was the first series I watched and so I've always LOVED it, but it's so interesting to hear about it from an external point of view.

@FullFatVideos

4 ай бұрын

it was very dissapointing at the time, and never felt like it got going becuase of the huge split between parts a and b. having an xmas special in the middle was also so weird

@thaydog.

4 ай бұрын

@@FullFatVideos I can totally see how the momentum would just completely fail to build due to the fact that it's essentially two mini-series haphazardly sewn together with a Christmas special, but it will always have a place in my heart as I think it has some great standalone stories. The nostalgia always helps too 😆

@TheJadedJames

4 ай бұрын

@@FullFatVideos Personally, I think Angels Take Manhattan/Snowmen are the strongest episodes of Series 7. And I found the way that companion switch was really interesting, even if the Clara was kinda boring for most of Series 7. But I have to agree with you that Series 7 might have played better if Amy and Rory weren't written out until the end. Those characters felt like essential foils to his incarnation of the Doctor & it was always going to be a tall order giving him a new sidekick that wouldn't live in their shadow. (Amy is so tied to 11 that even though she was dead, she appeared several times in Smith's last episode because it was just mandatory for closing his story arcs). Although it would have greatly helped if the Flatline version of Clara is the version we got from the start and stuck with in Series 7B

@SYWNK

4 ай бұрын

⁠Season 7 was originally a disappointment to me, but after a rewatch, it became my fav season of the show. Part 1 is so much fun and part 2 is so interesting, with the Doctor taking a more villainous role along with some of my favourite episodes of the show.

@bluearcher1559

4 ай бұрын

To contrast, the snowmen was my first live episode of who. I'd binged all of the show on Netflix back as a kiddo. The snowmen and season 7b blew me away. I still think series 7 is some of the best who - but yeah, that finalie could have been better. How did the doctor save Clara from his timestream again?

1:50 glad I’m not the only one who had this feeling. 11’s character feels so meticulously crafted to compliment the Ponds, and vice versa, and I honesty think that’s a big part of why he feels off without them. It’s like Yakko without Wakko and Dot.

@carolinemcgovern4488

4 ай бұрын

Yep. and it's why 12 is so much better with Clara too. 11 feels so for the Ponds and 12 feels so right for Clara that it feels almost wrong not to have those perfect partnerships. IMO.

@windghost2

4 ай бұрын

@@carolinemcgovern4488 Definitely agree here. I *LOVED* The Ponds so much! They were my favorite companions and I loved seeing them going on adventures togethers, saving people and giving the doctor a family again. It made The Tardis feel like a beautiful happy big home with them (Especially, 11's first console, which will always be my favorite one) and it was great to see more people inside the beautiful blue box. I wish they stayed for all of season 7.

I'm glad you didn't include Ashildr in Smith Series 8. I really liked that the 12th doctor's face was himself subconsciously reminding him about fires in pompeii, leading to him saving Ashildr. Smith having that instead would have to lose that plot point.

The only thing I would swap, instead of Robert of Sherwood, I would have Into The Dalek. I think that story fits your Series 8 a lot more

@greywolf2362

4 ай бұрын

I'm very glad the Doctor managed to defeat the terrible Robert of Sherwood!

I'd love to have seen a post Pond departure story with 11 and the Weeping Angels to further solidify them as his primary antagonists. Or an episode with 12 and the Angels.

I wasn’t really onboard with this revised series until you got to the part where Danny Pink sails off in the TARDIS with Clara. I think that ending for their arcs actually works much better for them and ties together the series

Ok I’m begging you please do what if 9 had 3 seasons!

Despite him becoming a massive child toward the end of his run, Matt smith will always be one of my top favourite doctors, and wish he got something akin to this to end his run. Such a great video mate, keep it up :)

I disagree, I liked the 12th Doctor's chemistry with Clara much better and I don't think Missy and 11 would've worked as well being foils to one another. Capaldi and Coleman had much better tension and chemistry to their relationship. And Capaldi's straight man was the perfect counter to Missy's zany personality. Personally I like the send off that 11 got, he died saving an entire planet for almost a thousand years and that is the perfect send off for a Doctor. His sacrifice even moved the Time Lords to the point where they gave him more regeneration energy despite him being the one who locked them away. His last speech about needing to keep moving on, dropping the bowtie and the final Amy moment were great for me.

@FullFatVideos

4 ай бұрын

You disagree? I wouldn't have traded 12 and Clara's series 8, I'm just intrigued by the thought of a stronger final series for Smith

@empressfrozentoes5285

4 ай бұрын

​@FullFatVideos at that point I'd opt for making series 7 not mediocre instead of making series 8 a smith series cause not only was the series 8 with capaldi good but it also fits within the 3 series per doctor structure of nu-who (we don't talk about chris)

@_somerandomguyontheinternet_

4 ай бұрын

@@empressfrozentoes5285we got 3 series for 13. Who we didn’t get 3 series for was 9.

@empressfrozentoes5285

4 ай бұрын

@@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ that's what I meant, I should've specified chris eccleston over chris chibnall

@_somerandomguyontheinternet_

4 ай бұрын

@@empressfrozentoes5285 ohhh, okay

I loved this video! If you were to do more in a similar style I'd be interested to see: 1) What if the 9th Doctor was the only Doctor of RTD1? 2) What if Capaldi stayed for S11 under Chibnall? 3) What if Whittaker stayed on for the 60th? 4) What if Gatwa was introduced for the 60th? 5) What if Smith/Eccleston/McGann played 14 instead of Tennant?

Capaldi was my favorite Doctor & Gomez was my favorite Master, & part of the reason why was I felt they had such strong chemistry as 2 old friends turned rivals who wanted to reconnect on par with that of Pertwee & Delgado. While Smith was a great Doctor, I doubt he would have had that same chemistry with Michelle Gomez's Missy Master. Furthermore, with the exception of Paul McGann not getting at least 1 Season as The Doctor, the biggest "what if" missed opportunity Doctor Who will ever have was Capaldi not getting a 4th season as The Doctor with Missy as his companion (alongside Bill & Nardole). I feel that would have been the ultimate TARDIS team as you would have the tragic hero (Capaldi knowing it's his final season), the romantic foil (Missy trying to be The Doctor's friend again), the exposition & audience POV character (Bill), & the likable comic relief (Nardole).

@evan64915

4 ай бұрын

Ah yes, the 4 genders

As someone who DID enjoy series 7b and REALLY liked Time of The Doctor and Clara and 11’s chemistry I really wish Matt took Steven up on his offer to stay on for three more series. I mean if that happened we’d most likely still have Capaldi as The Doctor right now

I love this thought experiment - and I love how hilariously strongly I disagree with all your choices 😂 Frankly, I wouldn't have actually wanted a 4th Smith Series, as I really felt that by the end of his run he had completely lost sight of what made his character tick in Series 5 - such a shame! I'm loath to imagine any Capaldi episodes with Smith, since they were so strongly tied to his Doctor's arc all the way through - could you really have the 11th Doctor ruthlessly & methodically allowing people to be taken by the Mummy? Or would it have worked between Coleman & Smith to have Clara role-play as the Doctor? I also think that including Danny Pink for half a series would make him feel like even more of an afterthought than he already does in series 8, so I would be keen to drop him entirely from proceedings...

OK as much as i loved Capaldi.... Yes. Just. this. All of this. Matt Smith's 'The Man who Forgets' confronted with Missy. it's a wonderful ache that could have been.

The Dream Lord is the closest thing we will get to a Master / Valeyard version for Smith’s Doctor.

I don't think a lot of the episodes work with Smith instead of Capaldi. This feels more like a thought experiment of squeezing series 8 and 9 into 1 series

7B felt removed because he was gone, grieving over the ponds, and renewed himself. He barely knew Clara. I thought it a great and understandable part of the show, and him spending nearly 1000 years on Christmas planet was interesting.

I always took the flanderizing as the Doctor letting his younger body get to him, he feels like a youth again in a grown man’s body.

What this video certainly did make me appreciate was just how well some of the Capaldi stuff follows on from the Smith stuff. Diluted as it was, I never really noticed that there was as much of it as you were able to pick out.

i wish 11 got an extra season, him and clara just had so much chemistry that didnt get enough utilization

@hartfartpoptart

4 ай бұрын

I agree. She was the only companion since Rose that I think could have been a really good romance. I wish they had either got rid of her at the end of Season 7 (like maybe she stays with him while he grows old on Trensalor, and dies there), or simply given them an extra season before moving on. I really don't like how she does a complete 180 on her personality for no reason at all in Season 8.

@ProtoKun7

3 ай бұрын

I'm glad she stayed around longer but I also would've loved to see more Eleventh/Clara chemistry. I agree too, while romance doesn't work for many companions I would not have objected to more of it with Clara. I like that she at least admitted she fancied him when in the truth field.@@hartfartpoptart

If Tennant’s latest outing as the Doctor has taught us anything, it’s that goodwill and a Doctor’s legacy are extremely easy to ruin.

Great vid as always! As someone rewatching through the whole show right now, there’s this sense of series 7 as a bit of a loose thread for Eleven. Time of the Doctor tries to function as an appropriate ending, tying back to the cracks and all, but I think 11 has a fully formed, tight emotional arc as a character from The 11th Hour through to The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe, and series 7 feels consistently at odds with how complete that story was.

Please do more of these! Such an interesting video! One idea I always thought about is What if Christopher Eccleston never left Doctor Who and was still the doctor in 2024? Because he was so adamant in leaving, what if it was the opposite and he just didn't want to leave at all and in the last 19 years we've only had one doctor. What would anniversary specials look like, would the show still be as popular would it have been cancelled because of this etc

@FullFatVideos

4 ай бұрын

I’m cooking one up as we speak

I was with you until you decided to give 12s best three episodes to Smith as the finale. I cannot in any world imagine Smith being able to deliver what Capaldi did in Face the Raven and Heaven Sent especially

People would have definitely let go of the “smith era is all about the doctor being too important and saying his name and being cool” issue Series 8 is all about taking him back to being an idiot in box which would have perfectly resolved his arc

As someone who wasnt sure on Capaldi, I actually found myself mentally doing this in the series 8 episodes. "Would I enjoy this more if Eleven was here instead of Twelve?"

This is now canon in my head. What a send-off two Smith and Clara, and a way to bring in our man Capaldi

Matt Smith DID express regrets of not going through with one more series, as he had an absolute blast during his time with Jenna Coleman. Perhaps he simply departed with Peter Davison’s in mind with doing 3 series being the ideal run before things got messy. As my favorite incarnation, one last series would’ve been chef’s kiss.

The thing is, Matt WAS meant to stay for Series 8 and the Time of the Doctor special that he regenerated in was meant to be a whole season long. Then Matt informed Moffat after the 50th that he wanted to go and Moffat had to shove it in to one hour long story. As for the Ponds, Karen and Arthur WANTED to go so wouldn’t have done the rest of series 7 anyway…

@TheJadedJames

4 ай бұрын

I definitely figured at the time that Time of the Doctor was written to accommodate Smith leaving faster than expected. If Moffat knew Series 7 was the end of Smith forever, we probably would have had an entire series about Trenzolore and the Silence, not the Impossible Girl arc that was no tangentially related to that

@Jamestopboy

4 ай бұрын

@@TheJadedJames Aye, probably.

it also would be fun if you didn't do yet the What if Tennant stayed as the raggedy man as was 1st planned initially... Tennant and kid pond

I loved Time Of The Doctor but completely respect your opinion. Matt absolutely did deserve an extra season as it was super awkward to have him leave during the 50th year.

Nice to see you doing videos on dw again definitely my favourite series of yours and the one that got me into this channel so I’m glad ur doing them again now that certain show runner is gone

For my reorder; The Ponds last longer, possibly even setting the Angels take Manhattan as an episode or two before Day of the Doctor. As such, Clara appears as the impossible girl more often. IE, Eleven and the Ponds go to the house in Hide, and it's Clara who's either the psychic girl, or the 'ghost'. This both allows the Ponds to more naturally go "Actually, we want to spend more time just living our lives" like in Power of Three etc, builds up the Impossible Girl arc far more, and allows more Clara & Ponds dynamics. Then the Angels happen, and remove Amy and Rory, then the Snowmen, Bells of Saint John, and then change the Name of the Doctor into a 2 parter, with Journey to the centre of the TARDIS being modified to be part 1. Clara jumps in the time stream in Name of the Doctor, everything is all good on that end, then we have Day of the Doctor, as normal, which is now just the end of season 7. Season 8 would then basically follow your episode list, except it ends with Time of the Doctor, instead of the Face the Raven arc. I'd maybe replace or add a few episodes in Season 8 with Clara episodes in Season 7b that would've been cut to allow for more Ponds, stuff like Crimson Horror, Nightmare in Silver etc. Then with Season 8 ending with the Time of the Doctor special, we can start Capaldi's run as a mix of the strongest elements of the actual Seasons 8 and 9, resulting in Clara starting her Capaldi era with nothing but the Doctor, who now has to start his regeneration dealing with the Witch's Familiar episodes.

@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914

4 ай бұрын

it also would be fun if he didn't do yet the What if Tennant stayed as the raggedy man as was 1st planned initially... Tennant and kid Pond !

I’m watching your videos for the first time alongside yet another rewatch of the revival - for context, I’ve just finished Death in Heaven and I’m exactly halfway through this video here. I wanted to say that this is an absolutely incredible and standout video from you, I love your takes in this, whether I agree or not! Just brill, made my day honestly. Would love to see more like this - not necessarily this format (which is fantastic) but just the indulgence in your passion for doctor who. It shines here. Nice one! Have a cracking weekend.

I loved series 7b because at the time I was so sick of the Ponds. I still love it to this day although I acknowledge it’s shortcomings objectively. I almost wish it was the other way around and series 5 was all 11 and Clara.

Some of this works surprisingly well. The strange Smith thematic hooks in Capaldi’s era like the diner or River’s last night also beam with a new intensity in this context, taking us, as you said, full circle. I think what most struck me is just how much more interesting it is for Smith to have one final season that kind of completes him and settles him as a character in his own right, without the Ponds. In general, I can’t help but feel the current three series standard for Doctors is rushed. Tennant kind of picked up straight from Eccleston with not too many changes (Rose being at the forefront), and had three packed series, and a year of specials, feeling like he got to really be developed. We haven’t had that since.

7B is genuinely one of my favourite eras of the show. I can't describe it I just love it from start to finish. I'd have liked a full season like that and a more proper end for the ponds. I don't dislike their ending it just seemed too soon.

i’m glad moffat stayed on as long as he did, i feel like given the circumstances chibnall would always have been the next showrunner regardless of when moffat left and i dread the thought of more of him as showrunner

While I do love the idea of the thought experiment as it is, and even a lot of the connective tissue of the story following the plot threads of Day of the Doctor, I feel like there is an underappreciation of the aspect of the performers influence vs a pure writing standpoint. Specifically when it comes to adapting elements of both seires 8 & 9, there has been implied through at least more than a few sources that Capaldi had a big influence on the direction and characterization of 12 even beyond performing on set. While I have no doubt that Smith could pull off the scenes in a technical sense(hell all you have to do is look at his other work ie. HOTD): the performance you are imagining in your head is still heavily based on the personal characterization of another actor and what they thought the moment should feel like. For an example: there are many moments throughout the 11th Doctors run where his anger boils into rage that nearly can't be contained or played in a smug senes ie. Colonel Runaway and the defeat of the Silence. Now compare those scenes to a more cold fury or scolding nature that is often chosen by Capaldi in the episodes chosen ie. "Go to Hell" and "When I am angry with you" lines. Even compare their attempts at convincing people to turn away from their demons and think about Smith would have delivered the Zygon Inversion speech by comparison to the almost desperate plea from 12 that I, personally, cannot imagine coming from 11. I'm not saying that either actor can't pull off either emotion well or consistenly, but I feel like there is more of a trade off than is initially considered. One personally I wouldn't make--but hey I'm bias because 12 is my favorite Doctor so far. There would be a lot more lost than initially considered by switching places, imo. But hey, thats just like my opinion man.

@Kierio04

4 ай бұрын

I think 11’s Akhaten speech is more than enough proof he could have done 12’s Zygon speech

@SonicSSpeed000

4 ай бұрын

@@Kierio04 But even there there is an element of anger/despair, but not quite the desperate pleading of 12.

@Kierio04

4 ай бұрын

@@SonicSSpeed000 Cold Blood and The Angels Take Manhattan are good examples of pleading from 11. His portrayals wouldn’t be exactly the same as 12 but he could still do it, and that’s what counts for me.

I’ve felt this for quite some time. There are certainly plenty of episodes of Series 8 that feel like they were written for Smith. Into the Dalek with its ending speech screams Smith with the slightest changes for Capaldi with the only notes for changes being “he’s older and gruff.” Like they weren’t ready for Capaldi. It could have been a fantastic series with Smith in competition with Pink but having less of a visual age gap. But on the flip side, Series 9 wouldn’t have been as strong if it weren’t for Series 8’s failures with Capaldi. It’s not that he’s old and gruff, he’s rock n roll and a great soliloquist.

Interesting idea, although I think your Series 8 would feel a bit overstuffed. While I’m not a huge fan of Danny Pink, I don’t think his death and conversion would have had as much impact if it had been halfway through the series. I think if Missy did go to Gallifrey it would work better if we’d seen her a few more times before (or even if the appearances we did have were more spread out). I also don’t think Listen or Heaven Sent would work as well with 11. They suited 12 perfectly because of his more contemplative character, whereas 11 was a bit more erratic. You mentioned at the start that you would have liked Clara to start in Series 8. Were you creating your Series 8 assuming this? If so I don’t think the Zygon two parter would be a good companion introduction, particularly as it focuses around ‘people’ not being who they seem. I also don’t think she and the Doctor would have had enough time together for him to go to the extent he did to save her.

Fortunately we will never know. Missy deserved Capaldi to shine as she did!

@Chloe1sylvester1234

4 ай бұрын

True, Missy was extrovert and Capaldi's Doctor was introvert they balance well together, besides Capaldi and Gomez appeared on screen like a real life maried couple.

One thing i feel would be needed maybe after Mummy or flatline or at the start of face the raven is the scene with Missy and Clara from Magician's apprentice with the confession dial.

I’m so upset that I’ve watched this video 😂🤣🤣 omg I WISH the storyline with the doctor underestimating how scared of death he is happened. Omg. It would’ve been so dope to see him get a bit hesitant about sacrificing himself etc

This was really fun to imagine, as much as I love Capaldi I think this vers of S8 would have been amazing. I think Clara and 11 had amazing chemistry and were fun together, but it didn't have the emotional depth or conflict that 11 and the ponds or 12 and Clara had. She almost felt like escapism for 11 in S7 after the ponds leave rather then a fully fleshed out companion, but in S8 with Capaldi, the relationship takes on new dimensions that would be really interesting to see with Smith instead as the way she clashes with 12 is so different to how she is with 11

This is something that I have wondered about for years and it is great to see a video made on it. I believe the idea of the Doctor struggling with the prospect of his death is so interesting and something that would have been awesome to explore. How would the Doctor feel about knowing that there isn't any regeneration this time to save him? Really excellent video as always! Despite having thought of this what if over the years I think what would worry me the most about it is that for me series 8 with Capaldi is my favorite of his run with a lot of those episodes being great. The arc he shares with Clara is fantastic and something that I at the time had never seen before, not in that context at least. I think as great as this idea sounds I would worry that if Capaldi did take over from Smith as happened in this scenario I think Capaldi would lose a lot of his great episodes. Which is something you did mention tbf. Nevertheless, I loved the hypothetical and loved the ideas! I would love to see a What If on David staying for series 5.

Slow clap. EXCELLENT work. I love your reasoning and thematically, this worked GORGEOUSLY!

@FullFatVideos

4 ай бұрын

Wow, thank you!

Normally these kinds of takes are dreadful however you have absolutely smashed it here. I really like this take (though they need to completely obliterate and rebuild Pink's character as he was awful). Wish we could have seen this then all fresh, better written stories for the GOAT Capaldi

I do find it sort of mental that even with the unfortunate writing, Smith is still considered as one of the best Doctor's ever. Just imagine what people would think of him if he had the writing of Tennant.

I'll make one change. Put 'Mummy on the Orient Express' before 'Dark Water'/'Death in Heaven', but instead of it being "one last trip" for Clara, it's instead one trip for Danny. The Doctor noticing his dislike for Danny is causing friction between him and Clara decides to be the bigger man and take the two on a getaway together (Eleven tried to be a wingman for Sophie and Craig, he tried to do it for alternate timeline Amy and Rory, he'd try to help Clara) - before Danny and Clara can clarify this is a date however, the Mummy strikes. Danny sees The Doctor sacrificing lives in order to understand The Mummy, this further cements his disdain for The Doctor. Danny is eventually the one to clock the Foretold is a soldier - considering none of the highly educated scholars or scientists noticed that, so it proves his worth to The Doctor. After the train is blown up, it's Danny who wakes up first, and The Doctor has the "Sometimes all we have are bad choices, but we still have to choose" conversation with him - the two former soldiers have now reached a mutual appreciation of one another You end the episode on a happy note, Clara and Danny are together, Danny has an open invitation to come aboard the TARDIS whenever he wants - we've got our new Rory character for the second half of the series. Until the beginning of next episode, when Danny is killed (I did say he was the new Rory) and Clara's world comes crashing down.

@carolinemcgovern4488

4 ай бұрын

This would be a decent twist on the whole thing. Like Danny gets one trip and we think "Ah like Rory and Mickey beforehand!" only he actually dies this time and unlike Rory, he's never coming back.

Honestly a season exploring 11 confronting his own mortality in a way that he can't weasel his way out of or outrun would have been a great opportunity for 11 to show his true age more often, something that Matt Smith was excellent at portraying. A decade since Smith left, and it still amazes me how ancient 11 felt at times.

I personally loved Clara, Vastra, Jenny, and Strax. Clara is the only companion that I truly became attached to. I liked Amy and Rose, but they never appealed to me nearly as much as Clara. True, Clara got a freaking yo-yo treatment as far as her character arc is concerned. However, there was something about her that just spoke to me. I literally cried, I think, when I saw her die with the Raven episode unlike with all the other companion deaths like Bill and the Ponds and the Doctor-Donna getting erased from Donna's mind. It's been a while since I saw the Raven episode. admittedly, considering I always skip it after I saw it once, I'm not quite sure if I did cry while watching it.

Calling Terminator Genesys Terminator Salavation says a lot about those films lol. Cool theory tho!

not a smith fan, i would have prefered eccleston hadn't bailed so early as he got me back into Who after all those years

I was 12 when Matt Smith regenerated, and as he was my Doctor I found TOTD a very impactful episode. As Ive gotten older I see how rushed an episode it is. Same goes for series 7. It was my fave as a kid but feels underbaked when I look at it now. Smith staying for Series 8 could have fixed a lot of this. The Trenzalore ark really did need more time to breathe. Personally, I would have the Husbands of River Song as the 2013 christmas special and have Series 8 build up to the Time of the Doctor as the Series finale. Still, I love the video and the attempt to have Series 8 with Smith post TOTD. Looking forward to when you do this with Tennant in Series 5.

A reality with no Moffat written Capaldi is a reality I want nothing to do with

Really fascinating idea that would of been so good for 11's final outing. I thought a bit about the potential of Moffat staying on with Capaldi after and what that could look like. It may feel obvious saying starting with S10 and Pilot but that would then loose all the good moments of 'am I a good man' which was so integral to 12's arc. and while you've used a bunch of his best episodes here, I’ve reordered some the remaining episodes from S8/9 to maybe make a potential new first series. In reality I'm sure many of the episodes would be changed and re-written but the arc would stay the same. I also made 1 big change with Matt Smith Regenerating in the S9 opening 2 parter which also introduces a new companion. which might be a lot for one episode. but I think to get the 'Am I a Good Man' from 12 we need a companion who met him before he regenerated. as well as giving the Moments where Clara's reaction to regeneration in Deep Breath better snese. So… E1/2. After Husbands we start with a new story built for 11's departure and a new companion. this will mostly be focused on the companion and their reaction to meeting and maybe becoming attracted to 11. This is a 2 parter and will have Tardis time travel to get the companion used to the Tardis and moving through time. We maybe have Matt's speech from Time of the Doctor at the end of episode 2 or something like it, or maybe not and we are entirely focused on the companion which I think would be a good twist on a regeneration and honestly big speeches for regenerations don't work so well imo. Alternatively it could be like 5's regeneration where we have a big heroic moment, he saves the new companion then regenerates in front of her in the Tardis. E3. We then get thrown into Deep Breath with Capaldi and the new companion. this will mostly stay the same and we get to see more of their dynamics. (if the opener is good I think the Chemistry could be believed) E4. We then go into Into the Dalek for E4 which is pretty similar not much to say here. Don’t be lasagna. E5. I struggled with this spot. Ideally we would get a new rompy historical but going on what we’ve got left of S8/9 I’ve put Time heist. Just a fun, light adventure with maybe allusions to other off screen adventures showing the 2 are becoming close (Listen’s opening ‘I can’t do this’ kinda thing) E6/7. will be Under the Lake/Before the Flood. A solid story and with the companions built relationship I could see the cards not being out of place for the fun gag. I had wondered about Girl/Woman but the hybrid story didn’t go anywhere and isn’t needed in this series so it’s been cut. E8. is Sleep no more. Running a bit low on good episodes now so potentiality in a new S9 world it’d be a different adventure but I like what I’ve got in store for this story as it has a cliffhanger… I had considered Kill The Moon, and that could also work in an alternate take to the second half of the series. If we do Kill the Moon here the next episode should be a mummy like episode, however since that journey happened in your new S8 anyway I think let’s let that story be Clara’s. E9. will be In the Forest of the Night. Or a better episode than that but something light and similar. I’m tempted to give the new companion a teacher job again even after Clara, but they could also be a museum curator or something like that to explain why she might be around a group of school kids idk go wild with ideas. E10. Is Sleep no More Part 2. The episode felt so bizarre that giving it’s part 2 after an episode interlude feels right somehow. It also breaks up the heavy 2 parters in this series a bit. IDK what it’d be about. But a resolution with not much explanation or reference to the story in the middle of the 2. Just something different. E11/12. will be The Witches Familiar/ Magicians Apprentice. What better way to end the series than with an opener and Capaldi being forced to face Missy and Davros. We could get a big culmination of ‘Am I a good man’ which would have been littered across the series (although I’ve not mentioned it) crescendoing with giving the regeneration energy and fun ‘I am an Idiot with a box’ revelations and him not killing the child Davros. E13. Finally will be Last Christmas and potentially the exit for the new companion like it was supposed to be for Clara. Leaving space for Capaldi’s second season to be based at the Uni and S10 to start as it did, with him staying for S11 and doing 2 series of Bill and 12, with maybe Nardole or some other new 3rd companion. In this S10/11 Missy’s reveal in the vault would be a slower burn and potentially end S10 with that reveal and the Monks 3 parter and S11 ends with The Doctor Falls and fully focusing the good Missy journey. Anyway this is all my thoughts and just a bunch o’ fun. If Capaldi did have a S9 it would probably not use much of the leftover scraps and have a new story. But as long as the am ‘Am I a good man’ beats gets hit before the Uni I’m happy. TL;DR S9-E1/2: Modern Earth based New companion story with 11 regeneration (plus time traveling shenanigans) S9-E3: Deep Breath S9-E4: Into the Dalek S9-E5: Time Heist (Or New Rompy Historical) S9-E6/7: Under The Lake/before the Flood S9-E8: Sleep No More Part 1 (Or a Kill the Moon with Mummy-like episode for E9 And Forest/Sleep for E10) S9- E9: In The Forest of the Night S9-E10: Sleep No More Part 2 S9-E11/12: Magicians Apprentice/Whiches Familiar S9-E13 Last Christmas (Companion Departure) S10 - Mostly the same with 12, Bill (Nardole or new Nardole) but The vault/Missy reveal for the finale. S11 - More of 12, Bill, Nardole & Missy with 12 regenerating in the finale being now World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls. Let me know any thoughts others have! :)

Always maintained that 12 had the absolute best stories. Smith was my favourite Doctor though. The quintessential mad man in a bright blue box.

Imagine saying "I think x doctor should've had another season" and it not being 9.

I think it would have been cool if Solomon in Dinosaurs on a spaceship was an evil version of the doctor

Those last three episodes would have so much impact removed without the build up of clara and the doctor’s arcs on series 12. I think Smith kept the boat afloat (and sailing smooth popularity wise) after what could have been a difficult transition from Tennant/RTD, which allowed for the risks and amazing storytelling once Capaldi came in. Yes it would be nice if Smith was able to benefit from that, but we should just be grateful we got a three season run with Capaldi that will be legendary for years to come.

I don't know if it'd be too similar and too close to series 6 structurally, but I certainly think a series that saw Matt Smith called to Trenzelor by the Church of the Silence in its opener could be interesting. You'd see him spend the season running from them and his newfound mortality, Kavastra's pursuit of him would be recontextualised as preventing time from unravelling all along as she didn't believe he'd ever return. But then in the end he would only to discover it was a ploy of Missy wanting to prove to him that when his life was truly on the line he'd act in his own self interest rather than the universe's.

I'm like a minute in and I already vehemently disagree lmao, not saying either of us is objectively right or wrong, but ngl after rewatching the Smith era I found that he was kinda meh for most of his run until the Clara episodes which I actually really enjoyed. Again it's all taste but I found Amy to be far too lacking in agency, the Amy Rory romance felt trite and the doctor bought his own hype way too much, but when he was with Clara he acted more like an old man where he'd been too childish before. I would've liked to see more of him than we guys, but I really do think the second half of his second season was the best of Smith

I love your Doctor Who videos! Especially this one and the Morbius one because they focus on my favorite Doctor! The Eleventh Doctor played by Matt Smith of course! 😁💙💙

I'm assuming-at the end, when you said, "Who knows?" for the second time-you pointed at us, and then touched your nose. This is now canon, and if you ever do a BTS of this video, this would be a video clip when the documentarians cover your conclusion.

@FullFatVideos

4 ай бұрын

That’s exactly what I did

i think i heard series 8 would’ve been like a whole series on trenzalore, like an extended time of the doctor, if matt smith stayed. i think that was the original plan if he didn’t leave. edit: so ultimately i think it still would’ve ended on trenzalore, with the regeneration being basically the same, but some elements of the time of the doctor would’ve been spread throughout s8. edit edit: i think the zygon 2-parter as sequel to the day of the doctor basically immediately after makes a lot of sense. edit edit edit: i think your idea and structure of series 8 sounds great though! would’ve worked very well!

Please do a “what if 10 was in series 5” that’s been one of the most popular whatif’s of Doctor who

@user-id6ul9ef3q

4 ай бұрын

Didn't Moffat reveal the plans for 10 in series 5? The opening scene with Ameila would have played out the same with 10 as the Raggedy Doctor and in the process of regeneration. He leaves then comes back to Amy but it's 10 earlier in his time stream then the series plays out to the regeneration.

like the concept in theory but i definitely prefer what we got with Capaldi being the doctor in series 8 that could be bias tho as he is definitely my doctor. I feel like having both the gallifrey and missy arc in the same season would make it feel too overcrowded and disjointed with little room to breathe. Also i’m not sure if the payoff with Clara and Danny would work the same as their relationship would possibly feel extremely rushed and underdeveloped especially regarding Clara’s betrayal i don’t see it hitting the same. I like the idea of Hell Bent with Missy and Danny but i’m not sure it works with a Cyber-army attacking the citadel? all feels a bit fanwanky to me the part about Clara and Danny flying off is really great tho i think it’s makes much more sense than Clara and Ashildr (Me?) travelling the universe for an undisclosed amount of time. Maybe instead of a Cyber-army Missy simply brings back Danny moments before his death with the intention to kill him just to fuck with Clara and The Doctor. great video overall tho definitely enjoyed the speculation over what might’ve happened if Smith stayed considering how close he came to doing series 8.

“We’ve never seen the Doctor and the Master wrestle for Gallifrey” The Deadly Assassin: “am I a joke to you?”

We are not having matt in them clothes 16:37

@FullFatVideos

4 ай бұрын

I imagine he would be in his series 7 outfit for the whole season, I just ended up sticking him on Capaldi’s body to make it look more fun

I've always felt that 2013 should've been a year of specials. Like 2009 and 2022. I know there are a lot of other factors behind the scenes the influences these kind of things, but if I think it would've been cool if: 2012 was series 7, 12 episodes, all building up to Trenzalore and rounding out the silence arc. Then have three 2013 specials, the name of the doctor, the day of the doctor, and the time of the doctor, as they were, but with hopefully more room to breath as a more complete series 7 allows more aspects to be fleshed out and some of the more minor plot points to be answered.

So glad you’re back doing Doctor Who videos man! You got anymore coming? A review of ‘Church on Ruby Road’?

Amazing video as always, been waiting for something similar since your cryptic tease post of Smith in Heaven Sent! Random question, what is the title of the epic organ like music used in several parts of the video?

Series 6 is my all time fave series so to see a return to the darker 11 would be great in my opinion. I loved all of 11s run tbh even series 7 .But so happy we got capaldi.

If you cram the best episodes of any two seasons together you are going to end up with a strong season, so this feels like cheating. Moffat leaving at this point would mean no World Enough and Time, which is unacceptable.

Taking Heaven Sent away from capaldi feels dirty.

So if this happened, and then everything got shunted back a year, we would have had power of the doctor as our 60th anniversary special, which I think would have worked but I still think that RTD would have wanted to be a part of it and we may have had a multi doctor story with 13 and 10 which would have been very interesting to see.. something cool to think about

If this was the case, we’d have 3 cyberman/master regeneration stories in a row

@FullFatVideos

4 ай бұрын

But he’d be regenerating in husbands of river song

@spacepenguins8939

4 ай бұрын

@@FullFatVideos would you have the regeneration actually happen/start to happen in husbands? Or would the series end with him being alive and well with series 9 opening with new doctor like series 1?

The 9th doctor was the one who needed more seasons. Eccleston was fantastic, but had a criminally short run.

@FullFatVideos

4 ай бұрын

That’s true but since his run was so good it never feels to me quite like I need more in the same way as Smith. His run took a nosedive

These kinds of what ifs are always limited by the fact that there's not all that much point in making brief plot grabs for 13 all new episodes so you're left with existing episodes (or episodes that were proposed but weren't produced), and for me it's so hard to see many of these episodes with anyone other than Capaldi in them as the Doctor. That said, I think your thought process in how the season should progress and what the denouement should be is really solid. It's always interesting to think about Doctor Who might've changed in these alternative scenarios and I think the changes you've proposed would've made for a really engaging series, but would've taken a lot of rewriting from the original stories to get them to better fit the Matt Smith Doctor and the arc you were going for.

I think series 7 suffered from a lot of the same baggage that series 20 did back in the classic era Both of them had an anniversary year to contend with and could get bogged down with shoed in references (Great Intelligence, Impossible girl resolution in s7 & the call back every ep schtick in s20) as well as changing casts with Clara and Turlough. They have a few duds and get crap for it even now - but I have a lot of love for both! I wasn’t overly enamoured with s7 in 2013 but looking back 7b has some great eps (I personally love Akhaten, Hide and Crimson Horror) and s20 has some of my all time faves (Arc of Infinity, Mawdryn Undead, Enlightenment) - and both anniversary specials turned out pretty damn good! Idk - maybe I’m just proof that even the middest things will have someone out there to love them 😅

Series 8 had some issues, but Capaldi in 9 was great!

I think the problem with the second half of S7 and the majority of S8 is Clara herself. She seems to have been hastily shoved into the series as a plot device, and when that purpose had been fulfilled, they simply didn't know what to do with her anymore. S8 spent most of its run trying to figure out who Clara actually is, adding traits to her personality that sometimes went against the ones she displayed during S7. This is not to say that Jenna Coleman's performance was poor in any way; I think she did a splendid job with what she had. Yet you can only do so much when the writing is subpar.

I can't see 11 in Heaven Sent. It feels tailor made for 12

@yospidey0078

Ай бұрын

Same. I also can't see 11 doing Listen either.

Matt Smith deserved another 1! Thank you Full Fat Videos for another banger

I've mentioned this before but my issue with matt Smith's series is that his era went in the opposite direction compared to 10 and 12,series 2 and series 8 were a bit slow to get things going but by the time we got to their final season everything felt like it was in full swing and this was doctor who at it's very best,in contrast like you said Matt Smiths first series was one of the strongest starts we ever got but the rest of his seasons failed to keep up

I always wished that Matt Smith had the chance to redeem Missy before he perma-deathed, leading Missy to take up his title and become the new doctor

Going to ask this again, but what is the the theme you use around the 8:22 mark.