What if Omega and Rolex Designed a Chronograph? (Cosmograph Professional)
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A Discussion and Design Exercise creating the "Cosmograph Professional" around the Rolex Daytona and Omega Speedmaster. Looking at how these two watches are influenced differently and how their designs revolve around contrasting motifs, how would it be possible to equally combine both Organic and Industrial elements of each to create a well-rounded Sports Watch?
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You’d have to buy the watch in stages. You’d get the Omega parts straight away but then have to join a waiting list for the Rolex bezel and bracelet.
Romega Cosmomaster Professional
@icanseeumad
3 жыл бұрын
Propetual ;)
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
The Speedtona? The Daymaster? Opportunities are endless haha! Thanks for the comment VeeEss
@michaeldgs
3 жыл бұрын
As a owner of both, this was a interesting take and a fun episode 😊👍
@mousseman8239
3 жыл бұрын
Rolmega Daytona or Omex Speedmaster?
@praetor47
3 жыл бұрын
@@icanseeumad Officially METAS Certified Coaxial
A calatrava morphing with a Plo Prof , perfect symbiosis;)
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
I think you're onto something there, Mr. Bell. The most Beautifully Ugly Dress watch in existence haha!
@ericb8888
3 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy Once again displaying my complete and utter lack of appreciation of design aesthetics and , clearly...... taste . Hope you’re well mate ;)
@idguy love the juxtaposition of the Roman and Greek helmets... this is when your videos are at their best... really enjoy it when you play around with the design and point out areas of interest ... nice job as usual 👍🏻
Wow, veeeery impressed by the visuals! Remember about 12 months ago when "the visuals" where pictures from internet. Awesome to see! 🤩🤩
I like the concept and the video was constructed without bias. Very good options although I'm sure there will be different suggestions it's great to have a start point to prompt comment. Well done!
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Anthony! And the roles could be completely reversed in this category too where the Daytona case and dial become the focal points. The opportunities really are endless!
This is such a great idea! I would have gone a different direction on the dial. We should have like a design face-off! i bet it be fun.
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
It's going to happen ;) We should set some Design challenges for each other over the course of this year! It'll be a blast (if we can work them around our schedules)
This Daytona-Master looks epic! Great video as always!
Fun and interesting exercise! Nice job!
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for the comment Scott! It really was great fun to throw two watches into one and this video was a long time in the making.
YES please, let's make these combo videos a series!
Loved it! More, please!
Beautifully done
Excellent video. I hope we get more of this in the future
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Thy will be done! I'll put a few ideas together for future combo's. Thanks for this George
Will be anticipating some manufacturer producing this. Very nice.
I would buy it, love the design. Best of both worlds.
It looks fat as hell! I like the concept for the vid and this could throw up some interesting vids. On this occasion I think I’m glad that Omega make the Speedy and Rolex make the Daytona and never the two shall mix (I hope!).
@shaunpatrick8345
3 жыл бұрын
I agree on the fatness. I think it's down to the Rolex bezel not suited for the Omega case.
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
That's the underlying question at the end of the day: Do they actually work together? I'm sure most would feel the same as you. And we get two very different experiences with both (which is also a huge bonus) Thank you as always for the comment, brother!
@Wa-wk6qk
3 жыл бұрын
Sub & Sea mix next
I love this channel
I can only cry bitter tears knowing that I'll never be able to own one of these... it's just so damn beautiful. The only thing I would add is keep the Daytona bracelet shape but blend it with the speedmaster by giving it the two polished mini-links bordering the center links, and have the center and outer links with a standard brushed satin finish. As for another minor change, I would keep the omega design for the subdials like you have, but arrange them so that the running seconds is on the bottom and have the 30 minute counter be on the left and the 12 hour counter on the right as that would add a bit more symmetry to the design by having the chronograph dials on each side and the running seconds dial being directly centered. But seriously tho, you should definitely design a line of watches. They would be hot sellers I can most assure you
This was a great vid and I hope it turns into a series. However, I use the chronograph function on my watch, including the hour totalizer on a daily basis and find both of these classics wanting. I started with a Speedmaster and went to an IWC Pilot's Chronograph. To me it is the most legible by far. The elimination of the Tachymeter bezel (what percentage of owners actually use it?), allows a larger dial by using more of the 43mm width. This permits larger subdials that are optimized for legibility with the back/white contrast. The well-crafted pilot watch aesthetic works for me. Now if Lange created a white dialed Datograph with an hour totalizer it would be very hard not to take out a second mortgage...
This is fun.. 2 iconic editions of each brand. They should never be compared because are so different to each other. I love both of them and they represent different things in their history. I think the current models of each version is the best they have ever done. I collect both and lucky enough to have both. You cant go wrong with either.
Great vid!
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a million! It's been in the pipeline for a long time - great to finally get it out in the wild ;)
I'd be interested in seeing what it would look like if you took the worst parts from each watch. A bit like "Twins" the movie but in watch form.
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Wow... What a series that would be. Actually love the concept. Everything we complain about in one watch phaha! Thanks for the comment as always Ashley!
IDGUY. More Please. I just love it when you bring your design skills to the forefront. Having a real image that we can comment on is wunderbar. Love the Omega/Rolex logo. I would have eliminated the Rolex underscore Omega type. I did not hear the final sizes at the bezel, the total case width or lug to lug. I love the President bracelet and I think it might go well here. Through videos on a number of channels, I am honing in with I am looking for in watches. I am not a big chrono guy, but the clean design of the Tag Heuer Carrera CAS2111.BA0730, with a white dial and blue hands really speaks to me and is on my list. Omega has a few great ones including the silver Snoopy and the white dial Speedmaster with moonphase and red accents on a red leather dial. I am not a huge fane of the Daytona due to its small size. To me it's a great women's watch for an athletic type, like the gals Rolex has on their website. I must becoming a junkie as I wondered why this did not come out yesterday. I kept checking just in case it was late.....
Proof that the perfection of the Speedmaster can't be improved upon. Fun video tho, Cheers 👍🏻
If this was real collaboration, in just one of our many multiverses out their , it would no doubt be the most popular watch ever made😍😍
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
That's very flattering, man. Thank you! In another universe it would be the ugliest, so hey ;)
That was really interesting contrasting the two main classical styles against one another. I can definitely see the Greek influences in the the case shape of the Omega and of course the lyre itself was indeed a Greek instrument. Obviously the name alone connotes Greece. I had a tougher time reconciling the actual style elements of the Rolex with Roman classicism, yet I can easily see the Roman Empire attached to Rolex for many obvious and not so obvious reasons. Loved this for mat and I loved your confection of the two together. What stood out the most is how desperately Omega needs to use an oyster style bracelet to enhance the lyre cae. I can now see they are absolutely made for each other. I'd love to see see some amalgam of a JLC Master Control with some variant of the Grand Seiko Snowflake or other texture dial reference.
@karl_m3013
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, that was very interesting to see how IDGUY pulled historical references to bring to the discussion.
Nice one bru 😄👍
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Great to see you, boet! As for the C&D, it's always a treat keeping companies on their toes ;)
Series.. yessss
Great vid! Please do Patek Philippe / Daniel Wellington next!
Amazing the comparison with the Corinthian helmet!
Damn I love it
Another interesting and thought provoking video IDGuy. Personally I wouldn’t like a combination of these two iconic watches. The dial would be too cramped and cluttered in my opinion. How about a combination of a JLC Reverso and Rolex Submariner?
@anthonysmith2982
3 жыл бұрын
Great idea!
Wow ok, how about the Seamaster or Fifty fathoms against the Sub, the Reverso against the Tank, Blancpain Villeret or Calatrava against the Lange 1815. Such a rich vein of content to explore. Very well done keep it up.
@IaMaPh1991
3 жыл бұрын
A seamaster/submariner fusion would be interesting to see. But WHICH seamaster? The 300 Professional already took a lot of design elements from the submariner as it is with the dot and baton hour markers and the hashtag bezel insert.
Good thoughts, I completely agree with bracelet and case options. However I would change couple of things: 1-I don’t think it needs to be Rolex waterproof, therefore keep Daytonas crown but no crown guards, and swap pushers for Speedmaster ones 1-the dial looks too busy, I would keep Speedmaster indexing.
For chronograph, I will stick with Omega. Great video as always...cheers
It’s crazy youPublish this video when you did, because just the other day I was thinking more of the economics of the speed master and the functionality of this in 103. I’ve had the privilege to experience both unrest and recently bought the 103. One of the things that was occurring to me is what if I was to replace the tachometer of the Omega speed master the friction fit bezel? I also thought about incorporating the day date feature that the 103 brings to the table in the speed master, but it would completely mess with the design so that I went the other way and I thought what would happen if each of the Diles on the 103 was in dented in the way the speed masters sub registers are?
Much more work, but expanding to take the “best of” from multiple versions over multiple eras would be cool af
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine... It could be a solid one hour video looking at THE best attributes from all the past and present models... I'm down for that idea. Thanks for the comment Stewart!
Kevin O'leary would wear this with a Red Rubber strap.
A Lange x Patek mashup would be interesting
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Wow... the variety within these brands would be incredible to work with... Thank you for the suggestion Arthur!
@IaMaPh1991
3 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy oh I would kill to see THIS. Maybe make it a milestone special and have 3 different mockups based on pairings of 3 different watches from each brand youd think go well together and compliment each other nicely
Good Grief! It's like one of those weird photos where 2 faces are combined. It looks so familiar yet so wrong! Definitely the do the Railmaster and the Milgauss! And if you really want to get busy, the Royal Oak, the Overseas ᴀɴᴅ the Nautilus.
Looking at the end result and i dont see enough improvement to make me wish this watch really existed. IMO, the SS Daytona is perfect enough as is. Entertaining video though!!
Very entertaining....that would be a wait list watch! Lol
Interesting concept! Can you do Audemars Piguet Nautilus next please? lol
Coming to a Kickstarter campaign near you!!
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
"A guy decides to take on two prolific watchmaking houses by combining their designs into one" - that's bound to go down well ;)
@underachievingwatchcollect1878
3 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy like the Hattfields and McCoys!
@IaMaPh1991
3 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy just say it's the ultimate homage model and you're good. It's not like you're counterfeiting by any means. That said, I do wonder what this watch would have looked like had you used the older style Daytona with the smaller less obtrusive bezel insert and the longer thinner hour markers
Very interesting as usual IDGuy! I wonder if the word "Cosmograph" caused any undue bias with NASA. Although the Omega "Speedmaster" won the contract because of supposed performance after rigid testing. "Cosmograph" is very close to the Soviet "Cosmonaut". I wonder if the "Daytona" would of had a better chance during the space race with the word "Astrograph" below the name. . As we know, USA rocket pilots were "Astronauts". Just a thought...
@thetrashiestpandabear4191
3 жыл бұрын
I've always thought about this aswell.
now thats cool
i kinda dig it. of course it would need a bit more "refinement" after this quick&dirty photoshop (better balanced index vs hand size, particularly thickness, better tuned bezel width vs dial size, shrink down the chrono pushers a bit etc). i'd be also dying to see those indices with a stepped dial. would be awesome! though, to be honest, this has faaaar to little text on the dial to be "worthy" of a Brolex :D
Very interesting concept, but if Omega manufactured at least we could by one ; )
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
If they both made this piece together... they'd be impossible to get, a combined retail price and the grey market would be beyond silly ;) Thanks for this Vaughan. I hope you're well, sir!
Waiting for a microbrand to make this!.. because they are the only ones that can and probably would.. look around and perhaps there may be something like this already.
Some splices for you: Audemek Phiguet Zenex Seikling Hubris Longirard Contantpain Otis Nomilton Alpysse Radin
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
We could write the most incredible book splicing designs and names together, just imagine? Love "Hubris" - and "Zenex" I swear that's a pharmaceutical? haha! Gold.
@LesterLovesWatches
3 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy My pleasure. I’m sure Otis Nomilton is the guy you get stuck talking to at parties. Ah, parties.....
@anthonysmith2982
3 жыл бұрын
@@LesterLovesWatches Didn't Otis Nomilton play drums for Spinal Tap?
@LesterLovesWatches
3 жыл бұрын
@@anthonysmith2982 He did! God, what a small world 😂
Impressive work. Poy
No to Omega! Nice video mate
Whoaa
Do one for the Seamaster and Submariner!
Then it would be really really expensive and you couldn't get one. 😂 Sorry, couldn't resist.
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Just imagine... literally impossible to find, it would cost the combined prices of both... The sad state of affairs that is "Sports Watch Ownership" ;)
The Romegagraph!
Cool video! Very much enjoyed it! Adding design elements from the Speedmaster to the Cosmograph made it nicer, adding design elements from the Cosmograph to the Speedmaster made it uglier... The Speedmaster today still is the Speedmaster. The Cosmograph “evolved” and did not get more mature... showy maybe 🤔... Just my two cents!
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting when we peel back the developments of each design, right? Thank you for tuning in and sharing your thoughts Alexander! Greatly appreciate it and LOVE watching your hot-takes!
@WatchAdvisor
3 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy I am personally not happy with the design change/evolution of the latest generation of Rolex sports watches ... Different worlds collide here... 🤷🏻♂️ I very much like the old Cosmograph with steel bezel, as well as the wonderful understated GMTs, the Submariner, ... with the good old bezels and aluminum inlays in the bezels... What Rolex sells today is too showy for me. I fell in love with the new Oyster Perpetual 41 mm, I’m on the waiting list for a yellow dial version. The case is total understatement and the yellow dial adds that extra it needs. This is also the reason why I’m a big fan of the Speedmaster. It is what it was ... doesn’t want to be showy... Less is more!
That thumbnail got me TRIGGERED
"NO PHALLIC JOKES" LOL!
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Had to be done ;)
Some interesting design ideas but the final result is a bit too busy for my taste. Maybe picking the Speedy bezel would already do the trick though..
Your watch looks like the new Zenith!
IDGuy, I Like your design more than the modern Daytona!
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Appreciated Jezus! It was a lot of fun throwing these ideas together and trying to come up with something unifying. There's going to be an equal amount of love and hate for this idea though...just the way we like it ;)
@commentjedi
3 жыл бұрын
IDGuy 😀👍
Sub & Sea mix next
What spawn of the devil is this?!?! Also, I really want one!
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha okay, that did make me chuckle ;) A bizarre creature, right?
@ipreetesh
3 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy It is! And you've now created something that looks so real, so exciting but will NEVER be attainable. That is pure evil! :)
👍
Love this - would be great to see more 👏😁
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mark! Also, sidenote, what DID the Romans ever do for us? ;)
@Mark..P
3 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy Monty Python - Roman helmet reference 😁
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
@@Mark..P Just realised... I mentioned "No Phallic Jokes" at one point looking at the Hoplite helmet and the Speedmaster. What about the Romans and "Biggus Dickus"?
Reminds me of the Alien/Predator hybrid!
I want to see Royal notorious(or nautilus)
I like your watch & would buy it if it had a date. I have owned both & departed with both because of no date. Take price out & you go with the Daytona. Leave price in & you go with a few different types of speedmasters for price of one Daytona.
ROMEGA?...😂 appreciate the exercise but somehow I don’t think it gells..The image of both are imprinted in our minds and it would take some getting used to too..👍
I really love the dedication to the design but it feels like the lyre lugs want to fight the bracelet
That would sell out
You know someone is rapid prototyping this as we speak!
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
But of course! Haha I would expect nothing less ;)
Somehow the mix reminds me of Grand Seiko...
Please drop the polished centre links, and while you're at it, brush the ceramic bezel please. Good to go. The 'tool' watch is becoming theatrical with time, just as the land rover and Jeep concepts have evolved.
I think I better make popcorn
I'd change the name to Speedograph Daytona, with the red Daytona text
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Speetona or Daymaster? ;) The opportunities are endless! Thanks for this Kumar
I don’t think this would ever happen. Although if it did. It would absolutely sell out I one second. No matter what it looked like.
FP Journe and Seiko Monster
Aka the moonwatch with ceramic bezel that never came.
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Tisk tisk tisk...Sometimes staying with tradition goes a bit too far
Speetona?
do a Submariner 300m 😁
The Gérald Genta Naughty-Oak? Or Jules Verne Royale
How about a seamariner or submaster? Too obvious?
Lol... The Speedmaster became known as the Moonwatch and the Dayton as a... style and fashion accessory... Enough said...Never been a fan of Rolex... All marketing and bought patents...Very little own innovation... Definitely not enough to justify the prices...🤣🤣🤣
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
I'm always too harsh on Rolex ;) Actually working on a video all about the Brand itself. There is something very universal about it (which is seriously impressive) - as for paying their premiums... hard to justify, I agree (value retention or not)
@cristianpaulbanu5320
3 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy Can't wait to see the video... Keep up the super job you're doing here... Love the channel... 😁😁
@anthonysmith2982
3 жыл бұрын
Somewhat agree Christian. Rolex is dangerously close to becoming a fashion icon whilst Omega continue to create more interesting watches with far superior mov'ts - and all for less money. I know in my core that when you keep filling an object with air it pops and I know that when you are on top of the mountain there's only one place to go. Yet I still find it hard to bet against Rolex. It's very counter-intuitive to me.
Phourth 😃
Sinn U1 Reverso. 😁
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
A rectangle and a circle... oh, this is totally going to work wonders!!
@mr_watchaddict3146
3 жыл бұрын
@@ID-Guy ...I think you’ve hit the mark for a series here! Maybe even a hit watch design if all goes well!..image chaos resembling Dali’s method - falling asleep whilst holding a brick, then draw what’s in your mind upon waking! 🤯
Fk me dude I nearly had a fit w that thumbnail!!
Fanboys, UNITE! 👍🏻
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Truth be told I was expecting to be greatly crucified for this in the comments. It hasn't happened...yet ;)
0:58 Who chose a neanderthal for that viewing?
Rolega Cosmomaster Professitona
When i see that, I don’t think Daytona, or Speedmaster... i only think Grand Seiko.
Second
Have to say, I disagree with your thought that it’s good that the case acts as a crown guard as others should follow. This is a manual wind watch and thus a pain to wind - quite literally; due to the lack of exposure of the crown. I have the watch and curse every time I have to wind it. Omega should have had more of the crown exposed for easier winding. This is exactly what they have done with the recently announced new version of the watch. Some forty years later, they make the change. Even Rolex would have made the change earlier than this. And whilst I’m having a gripe, how ridiculous is it that people say the watch is iconic and was the first on the moon. It wasn’t. A watch with a similar looking dial was the first, but not this watch. This watch is a dumbed down version of the original which had a column wheel and vertical clutch. Both were soon after omitted to make a cheaper watch that the world calls The first watch on the moon” This watch was chosen by NASA for it’s function, not its visual appearance. Therefore it’s sacrilege to do what the money-men at Omega did. Here endeth the rant.
@sanjivrpatel
3 жыл бұрын
@@IDKline Hi, Thanks for the suggestion. That is how I wind it, and believe me - it causes a unnecessary discomfort and more so the feeling that Omega couldn't care less about this glaringly obvious design flaw for over 50 years.
Wouldn't that be like mixing Bleach and Ammonia???
@anthonysmith2982
3 жыл бұрын
I just tried that to see what you meant. I was expecting an explosion but all I got was this stupid coma...
Take everything from Rolex and nothing from Omega. Omega's only claim to fame is the style of dial which they borrowed from the Rodania Geometer and boom the perfect chronometer... Lol
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Ah, the Rodania Geometer. Alas, someone should buy the company and bring the trademarks back hahaha! Thanks for the comment as always Derek
I would buy the $#|+ out of this! make this happen!!! @Omega @Rolex take my money!!!
@ID-Guy
3 жыл бұрын
Am I biased saying that I'd buy one too? Yes. Definitely biased ;) Thanks for the comment Martin!
Unpopular opinion, I think the ceramic bezel is hideous looking. I liked the zenith Daytona way more than the latest Daytona
Don’t get the Speedy. I’ve tried. People are evangelical about it. But I can’t see it. Don’t get it. Can’t get it. I’d buy one in a heartbeat if only somebody could punch the passion into my face. But, try as they do, nothing. Nowt. Bugger all.
@anthonysmith2982
3 жыл бұрын
...he he!