Fun Fact: Patrick Stewart once said that he wished he could have been Locutus of Borg for longer, being a recurring enemy for a while before being rescued.

@magister343

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe they could have had a Thomas Riker style transporter accident while rescuing him, allowing Patrick Stewart to play opposite himself in both roles.

@givemeanaxe

2 жыл бұрын

good gods, could you imagine a season of Riker as Captain, doing captain things, but having this shadow of his failure to rescue picard hangingg over him? and then in that seasons sweeps week finding out that locutus is still actually alive, and suddenly he has a chance to redeem himself in his own heart.

@willmfrank

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine Locutus being so heavily indoctrinated by the Collective that he has only a vague, dreamlike memory of having once been an entity named Picard, and vehemently resists being rescued -- only to have Riker tell him "Resistance is futile...Captain."

@andrewmurray1550

Жыл бұрын

Following the premise of this video (what if Picard was not rescued from the Borg), how about a "What If..." focusing on Voyager, their encounter with the Borg, and ultimately with Locutus (with the return of Patrick in the role), even on one or two occasion instead of the Borg Queen (as entertaining as Alice Krige and Susanna Thompson were in that role).

@HappyBeezerStudios

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of one comic where the Enterprise gets contacted by a parallel Enterprise where they didn't manage to get Picard back and everything went bad afterwards. In that timeline Riker is Captain and Shelby his first officer. Over the story they manage to capture their version of Locutus and try basically the same tricks as in the prime universe, but some things are a bit different and they have to creatively adjust their strategy. But yeah, having Picard stick with the Borg for the season, only being rescued at the end sounds like a really interesting plot. A bit like Yar of Hell was planned as a full season.

Riker managing to save Picard in First Contact after he had been believed dead by both crew and fans for years could have been a fucking unbelievably awesome moment in Trek history.

@DanielAppleton-lr9eq

Жыл бұрын

His portrayal of post - assimilation, post - recovery honestly was - wait. It was nonexistent. His older brother administered " *tough love* " to help him, more than Troi could or did.

@kevinrob616

11 ай бұрын

Also Patrick Stewart's ego in the TNG movies would not have allowed for such nonsense

I just showed Best of Both Worlds to my 10 year old daughter for the first time a couple of weeks ago. I hammed it up speculating that Picard may not survive. She told me he'll be fine because Star Trek: Picard. I glared.

@thecatpresentsfromjapan7851

3 жыл бұрын

steak trek Picard is a different time line. that trumps that

@ThereIsOnly1ArcNinja

3 жыл бұрын

Yoda says: "A childs mind wonderful it is!"

@haweater1555

3 жыл бұрын

Picard turned into something not-quite-human at the end of first season of ST:P anyways.

@dskay211

3 жыл бұрын

10 year olds are just too smart (sometimes cocky depending on the child) for their age these days-lol. It is funny how everything we watched was on a week by week, often cliffhanger basis (who shot JR). Now many things drop in a full season.

@danyelPitmon

3 жыл бұрын

Poor girl I feel sorry for her that was mean

That version of First Contact sounds amazing! Imagine the dramatic opportunities for Frakes as he displays the trauma of going up against the Borg again after they killed his father figure. He would have had even more anger and rage at them. Then after years of not seeing Picard at all we get the scene where Captain Riker has been captured, he wakes up and we hear for the first time in years “Hello number one” but it is the Borg collective voice. Then BAM! We see borg Picard again. That sounds incredible.

@kaitlyn__L

3 жыл бұрын

I wholeheartedly second this.

@bm1747

3 жыл бұрын

You could have done this, rescue him by the end, and the still do the Picard series essentially unchanged.

@HappyBeezerStudios

3 жыл бұрын

Also means Picard's trauma would've been deeper as he was longer with the Borg.

@sherryojeda9178

Жыл бұрын

That would have been great!! So, would it have been Riker that was captured by the Cardassians and saying "I see four lights" ? That would be interesting.

I'd love to see an alternative first contact where it's a second chance to rescue Picard. That sounded so good

Steve-- "I was ten years old!" Me, realizing I was in college, "Damn, I am getting old."

@KatRobinsonArkansas

3 жыл бұрын

I was 16 and about to head into my senior year and that summer just ATE at me. It was the "Who Shot JR" weekend of our nerdy generation.

@corbingreiner9879

3 жыл бұрын

Ditto

@krazyglue60

3 жыл бұрын

Hell, I was almost 30 and I remember throwing up my hands and yelling at the TV, “TO BE CONTINUED??? WHAT???” I couldn’t believe they’d hang us off a cliff like that!

@lordhue

3 жыл бұрын

I remember enjoying the first Trek movie while I was in High School, because after TOS was canceled we hadn’t seen any new Trek for nearly a decade at that point. (Yes I’m old).

@blueray15

3 жыл бұрын

And I was 1 yrs old. So didn't watch it live. However I can relate to cliffhangers in the sense other shows (Lost mainly).

I can imagine in a alternative timeline where Patrick Stewart did leave and instead I’m watching Steve talk about what if Picard had been rescued from the Borg.

@Shanbo26

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that would be the one with hillbilly Riker screaming "the Borg are EVERYWHERE" from a ship which only takes one hit to blow up.

@johnmccarron7066

2 жыл бұрын

SNAKE, YOU'VE CREATED A TIME PARADOX!

@charlestaylor253

9 ай бұрын

'The Federation's gone! My beard is EVERYWHERE!!'...😉👍

I always felt like when Worf says "He IS a Borg" that's the closest we'll ever get to having Worf cry!

@Yateball

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like he shed some internal tears of happiness the first time he tried prune juice... the way he said "A Warriors Drink" was clearly filled with joy

@GrandmasterDevo

3 жыл бұрын

It always sounded to me like Worf was about to throw up at that moment.

@yusefendure

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed 100%

@Locutus

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know. I think him realising that the Defiant was a lost cause in FC.

@saintofselhurst

3 жыл бұрын

I mean...Ke'hlyr...

Yeah, Riker ordering to fire on Locutus was one of the great season-ending cliff hangers of TV history.

@jimhenry5552

Жыл бұрын

Followed closely by, "Ramming speed" and Wesley gulping and saying, "Aye, Sir." and doing his duty.

What if you bring in Ben Sisko as first Officer for a while before spinning him off into DS9. Making Riker his Mentor instead of Picard as the Target of his anger

@ThereIsOnly1ArcNinja

3 жыл бұрын

That is opening an Pandoras box of a whole new timeline - I like it!

@shawarden

3 жыл бұрын

@@lexiburrows8127 I'm not sure that would preclude Sisko from being at wolf 359. Could have the next eps be the picking up the pieces kind of thing. Post battle, Riker's in a bar on Earth, drinking away the loss of his captain and Lt Cmdr Sisko, in a semi-drunken rage against Locutus' 1st officer, comes at him. Fists are thrown, tears are shed, Sisko finds a kindred spirit and Riker finds his 1st officer. Avoids the whole Data as 1st officer issue. That's the technically correct path but has a lot of awkward problems the producers may want to put off and allows Sisko's stoic, almost fatalism to be a foil the vestiges of Riker's more boisterous, playboy nature. Having a more down to Earth but slightly naive Jake Sisko on board too might make an interesting foil for Wesley's overbearing genius. Cmrd Shelby could then liase with Cmdr Sisko in designing the Defiant. Maybe work Worf in there somehow to explain the ruthlessly militaristic role the ship fills. It's a starfleet ship built in the Klingon philosophy. Then when they role out DS9, Sisko leaves, Data or Worf 1st officer, round 2! I think that is post Tasha's daughter and Data commanding a ship? So maybe he'd be a good fit. Not that a Klingon 1st officer wouldn't pose some interesting possibilities. When they role out the Defiant itself, to tie the series together, Worf is the one to bring it to DS9 with a massive list of issues from its shake down cruise. Bring the Enterprise too and they've been conducting mock battles all the way from Utopia Planitia. Geordi's been banging his head agaist the plasma conduits for the entire trip but has some ideas. Reunion with O'Brian & family, Sisko etc. Data can say how much he learned about command from both Riker and Sisko and this is when Worf transfers to stay with the Defiant... As it's captain. Dianna is torn? They were an item at this point? She would choose the Enterprise as normal and Worf/Dax is still a thing only with the awkwardness of Sisko knowing Worf much better. Maybe Worf's adventures into the alternate realities can have him appear on DS9 in Sisko's place with Dianna at his side? Assuming the timelines match up. Things may be grim though with no prophets, or he replaced Sisko after he choose to stay in the Wormhole to defend against the Dominion somehow?

@forestwells5820

3 жыл бұрын

Hmmm, afraid I don't think it would work. Sisko's character needed to wallow on Utopia Planitia before being assigned to DS9 for him to travel the arc he needed to. And it would allow him to develop they way he did for us rather than being a known entity like Work and O'Brian. Though either way, I'm not sure you could have the moment aboard the Enterprise like you did with Pircard. When they first met, Sisko could only see Locutus, and thus his pain of losing Jenifer. Then in the second time, we saw that both were fading at last. Can't see a way to have that with Riker.

@patriciawalters6778

3 жыл бұрын

@@forestwells5820 I think you're right. Sisko would not have been anywhere near the badass he became without the experiences at Wolf 359. He would not have been up to what he achieved in the Dominion War.

"Oldest, dearest friend..." I thought you were going to end that sentence with "Thomas Riker" :P

@wortkramer7683

3 жыл бұрын

same here :D

@ComradePhoenix

3 жыл бұрын

This should be the next Not Actually Trek Actually. "What if Captain Riker had picked Thomas Riker as his new first officer?"

@lectornox

3 жыл бұрын

That would be dope

@MrDepechefan1

3 жыл бұрын

Capt. Riker would have made the Thomas Riker storyline that much more intense of a difference between the two characters, with one being in the command chair and the other having been stranded

@MultiMackD

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDepechefan1 imagine how his DS9 venture would've gone with CAPTAIN Will Riker

I think TNG: “Parallels” summarized the possibility of Picard never escaping the Borg. Riker doesn’t get a haircut or a shave for the rest of the run and thus the Borg assimilate the Federation.

@brandonf4657

3 жыл бұрын

Also Worf is first officer and Wesley is promoted to lieutenant and is the enterprise’s security chief 👀

We do know that this already did happen. We saw that version of Will when every dimensions' Enterprise appeared in the same space in Worf's adventure.

I feel like this whole episode is a version of _Tapestry_ with Steve as Q telling Patrick Stewart how because he left after Season 3 he never became so popular, never got the part of Professor Xavier, never became a cultural icon, etc. etc... Meanwhile Jonathan Frakes ended up straight in the front row of the Head Museum in New New York in the year 3000.

@pokepress

3 жыл бұрын

Never got to be in The Emoji Movie...

@evonneokafor

3 жыл бұрын

@@pokepress Or get knighted... 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

Steve, you are such a nerd for exploring what-if scenarios on a by-gone tv show most people have forgotten. Please keep it going!

@KuLaydMahn

2 жыл бұрын

Have most people forgotten it?

I think the best idea you touched on is having Picard be completely absent from the rest of the TNG series, only to pop up in place of the Borg queen in First Contact. It would have been a huge twist! And I love the idea of Picard finally being saved from his assimilation - he would have been in no shape to rejoin Starfleet - but it would have been a lovely story and perfect resolution to Picard's storyline.

I love the scene where Riker looks at the captain's office chair and says "What would you do?". It happens so quick but it's such a good introspective moment. In the hypothetical of Picard not returning to captain, I think seeing that side of Riker expanded on would be cool! We'd get to see him having to move past looking to what Picard would do, and thinking about what HE should do.

Here's how I imagine a version First Contact where Picard stayed a Borg: It goes a lot like how you described it in your own video. But here are some extra details I think would be really interesting. Much like in the original film Riker is having recurring nightmares about The Borg but they're because of his feelings of survivor's guilt for failing to save Picard. Then he receives a message from Starfleet telling him that the Borg have returned and much like in the original film he defies orders and The Enterprise helps turn the tide in the battle above Earth. During the fighting The Borg vessel hails The Enterprise and the crew us horrified to discover that the assault is being led by Locutus. He taunts the crew and Riker is consumed by the same rage and obsession with revenge that Picard was consumed by in the original film. This is continually exacerbated because throughout the film Locutus will taunt the crew over the intercom when the Borg infiltrate the ship. The battle is won and the Borg proceed to travel back in time with The Enterprise in tow. Many details of this new film remain the same, including The Borg abducting Data. The main difference there is that a reason why Locutus took him is that there is still a small piece of his identity as Picard that remains buried and that part wants to see Data again. Data picks up on this and spends his portion of the film trying to reach that piece of Picard, ala Luke trying to reach Anakin in Return of The Jedi. Meanwhile Riker is set straight by Lily, just like in the real movie. At this point he is contacted by Locutus again and he goes to confront him, giving the crew enough to to escape. During the confrontation Riker and Data are able to help Picard finally break through and he chooses to sacrifice himself to destroy The Borg once and for all. With the future saved Riker and the rest of the crew finally let themselves truly grieve for Picard and they return to the 24th Century. The more I think about it the more I kinda wanna write this as an AU Fan Fiction.

@Niko-hi5my

3 жыл бұрын

Will Locutus seduce Data?

@SkylerLinux

3 жыл бұрын

Do it, it would be amazing

@ConorCarlisle

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewblanchard2398 Honestly I thought she was fine in First Contact. Didn't love her, didn't hate her. Sadly they kept bringing her back

@neil3202

3 жыл бұрын

That could have been a fucking awesome movie. Could you imagine how it would have completely blown the minds of fans if they had managed to keep Patrick Stewart's involvement a secret so the reveal is a total surprise?

@ConorCarlisle

3 жыл бұрын

@@neil3202 It would have been easier then than it would be now since the internet wasn't as much of a juggernaut as it is now.

Fun Fact: Johnathan Frakes got to try his take at The Inner Light in the Adventure Time pastiche of it, "Puhoy". He voices the aging version of the main character and does a great job! I have no doubt he would have knocked it out of the park as captain.

@kaitlyn__L

3 жыл бұрын

I guess I should give Adventure Time a go again. I stopped watching after the fourth or fifth season or something like that. Just got kinda bored of it. But now, it’s finished, so it’s a complete product. And presumably it said whatever it wanted to say.

"The producers made a purely creative decision." Damn Steve, you are on fire with these jokes.

Unification would have been pretty interesting with Riker in command instead of Picard. A conversation between Spock and Will about the shared pain and struggles of losing both a captain and friend could have been an interesting conversation, especially if Will had been having difficulty fitting into the chair full time.

I absolutely love the idea of First Contact being a final arc or even a redemption arc for Picard. I think that would have made First Contact even better. Riker saving his old friend, and he finally gets to bring him back to his brother after all these years. Finally being able to make up for what he feels was his largest failing. I would imagine that Riker would have stayed in command of the Enterprise after that many years. It still could have led into a new series for Picard. A very DIFFERENT Picard. An episode or two within the new Riker-centric seasons turn out to be caused by Picard and his intimate knowledge of the Federation. Picard sets out to make things right. To redeem himself not in the eyes of the Federation, but to redeem himself in his own eyes.

@shibolinemress8913

Жыл бұрын

Some awesome thoughts there! Sadly Riker would never have got to bring Picard back to his brother because Robert and René died just before the start of Generations. Maybe that film could start with Riker finding out about their deaths and grieving the loss of his last connection to the memory of his old captain and friend. When he later rescues Picard from the Borg in First Contact, he has to break it to him that his family is dead. That would have made for more great drama!

@nocturne3293

Ай бұрын

​@@shibolinemress8913 I have so thoroughly erased Generations (and especially René and Robert's deaths) from my mind because it is that upsetting to me that I genuinely forgot that René and Robert died. (seriously why did they kill these 2 off-screen? and then have their deaths be a footnote in the movie?)

I feel your pain, Steve. I was only 8 when "Best Of Both Worlds" aired, and TNG S3 was my first exposure to the series (thanks to my Dad for introducing me to Star Trek and Star Wars).

“... a Black Vulcan. You know who I mean.” VINCE!

@robshimer

3 жыл бұрын

SuperVolt, fool.

Steve must be going for the Oscar in this opening bit.

@EmeralBookwise

3 жыл бұрын

Nah... that pain was all totally real, I was there in those same trenches too.

@dsmil2

3 жыл бұрын

If so, he has a long way to go. A very long way

One of the muses I have heard about this idea is that TNG might have lasted longer than 7 seasons. One there was an established pattern of replacing characters like a "realistic" ship rotating out crew over the years, actors could come and go as a part of the normal cycle of the show - a bit like how Doctor Who manages to stay on the air for decades by swapping out the actors. TNG could eventually have been a 15 year show about "whoever was on the Enterprise" at the time. This would have meant that they would never do Voyager as a spinoff.

Doing something I normally don't do just to let you know I PERSONALLY needed this nostalgia of 10 year old me also especially today remembering the longest summer ever, so thank you for just being you all the time man. Trekkie to trekkie, I ❤ this channel like it's in my soul. Keep on keeping on and fighting the fight.

I was about to complain about Steve calling out us newbie Star Trek fans.. then I realized I'm nearly as old as this nerd :( (Love you Steve, don't give me a scathing remark in a not actually!) I also assumed that the Riker that went a bit crazy in the multiverse collection episode was from a timeline where Locutus stayed as he was.

@falsenames

3 жыл бұрын

I always thought that too. Like to the point where I thought that was stated in the show. Did they not state what specifically what timeline he was from? Is my brain just playing tricks on me?

You have to go with Worf, right? Isn't he officially required to get all promotions via the death of another officer?

@Crazael

3 жыл бұрын

Worf receives two promotions in DS9 without anyone dying. Technically, he gets three promotions, but the last one is directly the result of someone dying.

@shinyagumon7015

3 жыл бұрын

It's part of his Klingon heritage after all!

@user-zh4vo1kw1z

3 жыл бұрын

@@shinyagumon7015 but wouldn't that also be cultural apropriation of Klingon culture by the federation?

I feel your pain. The "Year of Hell" was so traumatizing to me that I was in tears... I was 12. I hadn't figured out the blatantly obvious.

@user-zh4vo1kw1z

3 жыл бұрын

That's okay. Most of us never do

Steve I think you forgot to touch on how *much* this could change the Riker/Troi dynamic and I don't mean this just in a professional way with him becoming her Captain. The reason that's always given for their breakup was that Will decided to focus on his career with the dream of becoming the captain of a state of the art ship (preferably the Enterprise). Now with this dream achieved he could realise how much he still loves Deanna and try to court her, deanna is now the reluctant one who wants to focus *on* *her* career. Basically a subversion of their previous dynamic.

You're a talented actor/story teller Steve. Have you ever looked into become an actor?

re Locutus in "First Contact" Damn you! Now I'm angry we didn't get to see that! ;P

“Just because he’s next in line doesn’t mean he automatically gets the job” Tell that to everyone who says Tilly shouldn’t have been acting first officer on Discovery

@kaitlyn__L

3 жыл бұрын

Also Tuvok was next in line after the original XO died, but then Janeway went and gave it to Chakotay.

@knightcrusader

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaitlyn__L Chakotay was a commissioned full commander before he left for the Maquis, and was the captain of that crew. It made a lot more sense to make him XO because of his rank and diplomacy.

@JFreeman902

3 жыл бұрын

Well sure, but in general you don't give the job to somebody who was a cadet a year ago...

@LittleJohnAB1

3 жыл бұрын

Well yeah, people get pissed off when they get passed over. Lt Cmdr Stamets initial reaction to being told an Ensign would be his boss is more realistic. A room full of Lieutenants is not going to be smiling and clapping over this either. Not so much a direct next in-line but many more people in-line ahead.

The opening monologue explains why Steve has always had that thousand light-year stare

@thevirtualjim

3 жыл бұрын

This is the heaviest burden those of us Gen-X geeks carry with us!

@HMSL86

3 жыл бұрын

It does indeed. And his meltdown is on par with Benny Russell's.

I’ve wanted a Captain Riker series my entire life. As much as I love DS9 and Captain Sisko, at the time Avery Brooks was announced as the series lead I felt Frakes should have been the star of any TNG spinoff.

"You want the wait? *YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE WAIT!* Bah, no wait-handler you, I deride your wait-handling ability!"

@terrellkirkman2078

3 жыл бұрын

I remember Wolf 359, I was there man! I remember the long... slow... weeks of reruns leading up to S4!

@gozerthegozarian9500

3 жыл бұрын

I read that in Jack Nicholson's voice XD XD XD

I mean, that cube would have still been defeated. They underestimated Starfleet. Now, if they had sent TWO cubes, that's the end of days.

@ThereIsOnly1ArcNinja

3 жыл бұрын

I still dislike the puny defence force of the main system of the Federation - surely they've learned after that?! Oh, wait... Here comes the news: "In a recent attack on San Francisco the Dominion forces crushed the world renowned Golden Gate bridge!" or in the news a few centuries earlier: "Today millions died in a Xindi terrorist attack striking the east coast of the American continent!" It's just the end of Voyager when they gave us a little show of force. Two Borg cubes wouldn't have been the end of the world IMHO, as the Borg never understood our resourcefulness - they would've never got their grips on Texas! Remember, Borg are not invulnerable against bullets 😎

@georgetaylor4719

3 жыл бұрын

I've always thought the Borg were merely toying with Starfleet and the Federation by only dispatching a single cube for each attempt at "invasion". Granted, they consider themselves to be completely superior technologically, and are in most ways, but it'd still be far more logical for them to have sent more than a single vessel if they actually planned to assimilate both the Federation and then the Klingon and Romulan Empires. Not to mention the numerous belligerent other powers, including the Tholians, Breen, and Tzenkethi. Perhaps they were secretly planning to provoke the human and humanoid races of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants into developing greater and greater technology over a long period of time for them to eventually harvest decades or even centuries into the future...😳

I actually love the idea of Troi being Riker’s first officer. Be right back, I have to see if anyone has written that fanfic.

@markkajc

10 ай бұрын

Isn't she first officer in the titan books?

Well, in my all-time favorite episode from TNG, Parallels, we catch a glimpse of the would be Enterprise if Picard had died in "the Borg conflict" (how it is mentioned in the episode), so maybe Riker as captain and Worf as First Officer. Although yes, the episode is all about a 'what can happen will happen', it makes the whole Picard death scenario canon.

"FIRE" .....One year later "It had no effect sir"

@user-zh4vo1kw1z

3 жыл бұрын

Cue sad trombone

@ThereIsOnly1ArcNinja

3 жыл бұрын

That's light speed restrictions 😋

@rhetthoffer675

3 жыл бұрын

It was only 3 months.

The pain of that intro is so true. I too can remember how shocked and aghast I was when those dreaded words, "to be continued" first popped up. Having to wait all summer to find out was most anxious I had ever been in my life back then. Conversely though, yes, the excitement was just as real and I can still remember talking with my parents not just about how the crew might get Picard back, but the distinct possibility that he might not get rescued at all. It's not like TNG had an entirely stable cast up to that point. We'd seen Tasha die and Beverly replaced Pulaski for a season. We'd also seen familiar faces shuffled around, Geordie prompted to chief engineer and Warf promoted to chief of security, not to mention the journey of Wesley snot nosed teen to a acting member of the crew. Oh, and most of all let's not forget the most significant addition to the crew, Riker's beard :-) The notion that the dynamics were changing once again, that Riker was going to be the new captain and that this new girl would be his new first officer felt entirely plausible, and years later it's still hard not to ponder how TNG would have been if the writers really had decided to commit to that change. Heck, here's even one more idea how future seasons might have diverged to add to the kettle. If Picard wasn't rescued, maybe the Borg would have become more frequent antagonists with Locutus as their face filling in as an alternative for "friend" turned foe dynamic that that Sela had. As a further extension of that, Maybe Denise Crosbie would have still returned to the series, but with the heightened Borg threat the Romulans and Federation would have to forge an uneasy alliance with Sela acting as a lesson between the two, maybe even with Sela becoming a new addition to the Enterprise crew as part of that alliance.

How about this, Riker is captain and right after “Family” we have the episode with his clone, Thomas. And upon discovering him, it’s decided that the only fair thing to do is to make Thomas the first officer of the Enterprise. And so for the rest of the series Jonathan Frakes is both the captain and first officer of the ship. So many possibilities.

@ThereIsOnly1ArcNinja

3 жыл бұрын

And so much cause for confusion - I still would have loved a comedy spin-off of that kind 😂 Just to see Selas or Tomalaks confusion if their chat partner gets mysteriously promoted and demoted or imagine Q: "Damn, I struggle to tell you both apart!" 😋

"But the point is, I was ready, even eager to give the new guy a shot." Noting the date of this video's release, am I the only one that senses possible subtext? Just me? Okay, I'll see myself out. Great video either way Steve! Cheers! :)

@Rognik

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think so. Captain Picard was a capable leader, after all.

@chapablo

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rognik "The new guy" "The NEW guy"... In the captain's chair. Posted on 1/20/21. New. guy. in. charge... I see you, @neocelestia

"And I... hold up my end" That's the most legitimately humble humblebrag I've ever heard

The sad part is I knew what the angle was when you started "You new Trek Fans"😂😂😂 Yes they will never know the struggle & I'm glad they are here though 👏🏾👏🏾

It's funny that as you were going through the options for first officer and discussed Worf, that you did not include that we indeed see this alternate Star Trek in the episode "Parallels", in which Worf hops between parallel universes due to "space stuff" and Geordi's VISOR. It is this particular universe that Riker is captain, Worf is first officer, Wesley of all people is Security Chief, and there is a cardassian at the helm.

I like the idea of Locutus appearing in First Contact as the main antagonist, for lots of reasons. But one that just occurred to me is that, if he is rescued and goes on to retire, it would give him an even stronger connection to Hugh and the other XBs if/when he gets to meet them in this alternate universe. Having been a borg for years instead of just hours, he might have been left physically scarred, and presumably would have had a harder time adjusting to individuality again. Maybe he ends up working with Hugh in in the reclamation project instead of hanging around his vineyard.

Dude... I do not miss end of season cliff hangers.

@bcwest619

3 жыл бұрын

For real?? I miss it SO much!! It was awesome to spend months speculating with friends and fellow fans about what was going to happen. One of the most disappointing things about the internet is that the constant (almost unavoidable) spoilers have ruined the ability for shows to give us real tension and anticipation.

@camortie

3 жыл бұрын

We did kind of get one at the end of season 2 of discovery when the crew went into the time portal to the future. And I mean that in the sence that we didn't know what they would find and how much things would have changed when they did so. Same with season 1 when the enterprise showed up at the very end of the finaly

We kinda see one of these possibilities in “Parallels” where Picard was not rescued from the Borg and the Federation was in big trouble because of that.

@Yvonmukluk

3 жыл бұрын

We saw two. One with Captain Riker where he was the Captain of the Enterprise after Picard died, and the timeline where the Borg had overrun everything.

I WAS THERE, Steve, I WAS THERE. I know the pain of waiting that long summer. I was 7, and Star Trek was, and is, important to me.

I always wondered if Beverly would have stayed on the ship if Picard was not recovered. While it never played out on screen the way many fans wanted, Beverly had romantic feelings for him there is no denying that. While they were not married or in a romantic relationship, there were those underlying feelings and he was her best friend. I think she would feel his absense in a similar way to how she felt about Jack's death. There is also the additional guilt associated with the fact that she was on the away team that was sent to recover him and she ultimately failed. It always struck me how Beverly was the first to see Locutus. Personally while I think it would have been a loss for the show (and many may see it as reducing Beverly to nothing more than a woman in love with a man) I don't think she would have stayed on the ship, because the Enterprise's mission is not to take down the borg. I can see her going back to medical and throwing herself into research and experimentation of how to reclaim those who have been lost to the borg (obvs we know she can do it as she did it in the show), with her ultimate goal being to find Jean-Luc (who she does not believe is gone) and bring him back.

The TNG episode "Parallels" could've had an interesting change where Worf ended up on a parallel ship where Picard was rescued by the Borg. Also, how would the DS9 pilot have played out differently, with Sisko not being able to interact with the one he blamed for the death of his wife?

Hulk Hogan was a heel, and we never knew it, Picard was face, and Kirk was a heel, but a half time heel

@BringSomeNoise

3 жыл бұрын

It’s amazing, looking back, how often Hogan was the first to use a chair or attack a manager unprovoked, and would still get cheered. Stone Cold’s success feels like an extension of Hogan, from a certain angle

I remember the cliffhanger of the summer of 1990. I also remember feeling sure that the Enterprise crew were going to save Picard, but that he would retire directly afterward. I was actually disappointed that we didn't get Captain Riker at the end of "Family".

To paraphrase Tyrion Leinster, "It's easy to get the way things are, confused with the way things ought to be; especially when the way things are has worked so well for you."

On a side note, but staying in the category of "what if;" I always thought a good shake up of characters would have been to have William Riker promoted to Captain of a starship and "leaves the show." Data was promoted to First Officer. Lieutenant Thomas Riker is brought on to man the Ops station.

@MultiMackD

3 жыл бұрын

That'd be something lol. *"bridge to Riker"* *"which one [childish chuckles]"*

@Yvonmukluk

3 жыл бұрын

I seem to recall SFDebris had the same idea in his review of Second Chances. It would have been interesting. I seem to recall Q mentioned in an episode of Voyager he thought they'd have offered the big chair of that ship to him.

My vote for first officer would have been then-Commander Carol Freeman (his "cha'Dich") 😉

I would've loved to have seen Riker as Captain and Data as first officer on a permanent basis.

If Picard was lost in Best of Both Worlds I could see Q and Riker becoming less frenemies and more akin to old drinking buddies reminiscing over their loss of Captain Picard. As time goes on they might even become, maybe not friends, but understanding towards each other

@Rognik

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, Q did try to turn Riker into one of them early on.

@ThereIsOnly1ArcNinja

3 жыл бұрын

Q to Thomas and William Riker: "Damn, I can never tell you both apart!"

Want to know something REALLY interesting? Before they settled on Avery Brooks, one of the actors they auditioned for Sisko was Richard Dean Anderson. Imagine an alternate universe version of DS9 led by him. Would it have ended up being more like Stargate? It would've been a VERY different show for sure, because Avery Brooks defined a LOT of what DS9 became. Obviously the SG-1 we know would not have existed if that had happened, but it's still interesting to think about.

"Captain Picard would not approve." That's the most depressing possibility ever. Damn, better make sure it will never apply to me.

@CNC-Time-Lapse

3 жыл бұрын

Picard may not have approved... but what would Gene Roddenberry think of these shows and how his vision of his story being handled? I know, I know... I'm forever stuck in the past. :/

That was such a good intro. I know you were kidding, but I felt you.

You def have the best Trek videos, keep up the good work!! Also imagine hearing someone else in the intro saying" Space, the final frontier..." lol I think Data as Captain or Worf would have been amazing!!

At last, a Trek tuber who doesn't pronounce it Progidy. ;)

@SnarkNSass

3 жыл бұрын

No doubt! That's been bothering me. ✌🖖

"It just doesn't feel like Star Trek." Thank you so much for hitting this Steve. I see this all the time and always say the same things you just did. I always bring this up when people complain online about Trek. I remember all the hate that each series got and how many of those people eventually changed their opinions by the time the next show came along. Anecdotal, but, my experience is that these people tend to be the ones who also only see Star Trek as a military/conservative show and tend to miss a lot of the points of episodes.

When I was seven years old, I asked my parents to let me watch their TV-recorded VHS of "The Best of Both Worlds, Pts. 1 & 2" on Christmas morning while I assembled a Hot Wheels set that only ever kind of worked. I think my parents were simultaneously proud and concerned.

Dude I was in kindergarten and me and my siblings had to get permission to stay up and watch that episode an my grandmother still made us go to bed early, dude you don't know!!!! LOL!!!!!!!! That was epic!!!!! Love Star Trek!!!!!!

Steve: Let me explain something to you youngsters, Me: Yeah! Let ‘em know Steve! Steve: Who became fans when the Kelvin movies came out Me: Oop wait never mind, thats me. Okay i’ll listen.

"StarTrek shouldn't be a comedy! It's wrong!" * Q has entered the chat *

@lunasophia9002

3 жыл бұрын

And I hate the Q episodes. They're generally the worst of their respective series.

"The Best of Both Worlds"- the "Who Shot JR" of Trek.

Great timing; I just rewatched The Best of Both Worlds! Thanks.

I felt the same way when Buffy blew up her high-school and killed the demonic mayor in the closing episode of season 3 .... I never felt more anxious over the waiting for season 4 ... back then, we didn't know whether there would be a season 4 or if Angel would come back.

@ahmede3608

3 жыл бұрын

@@claytonberg721 The whole business with the introduction of "Dawn" and the death of Buffy's mom kinda of ruined the show for me by then

I want that shirt. I NEED that shirt.

@peterjf7723

3 жыл бұрын

You can buy them on Amazon. I just checked for myself.

@NonDelusional74611

3 жыл бұрын

Sold everywhere business is done

Well done, Steve; as usual, you've given me stuff to think about, and I love it!

I was one of those "kids" because it was YEARS later, in 1996, that some of the older students showed us the double-episode in a video night at friendly camp for first-year students (freshmen). I vaguely knew about Picard and Worf, but knew so little that I thought the Klingon's name was Crusher, because duh. Anyway it was a complete stunned audience. The eery music of Ron Jones had a massive underestimated effect on this. We didn't have to deal with any more than a minute of waiting for the VHS tape - it was an incredible cliffhanger and we didn't even have the pain of waiting. All I can compare it to was 1988's part one cliffhanger for Remembrance of the Daleks, but Doctor Who had a really good example for the cliffhanger of "The Stolen Earth", with the Daleks exterminating the Doctor - I had business calls from Australia to the UK, people who barely knew each other, and the question of the cliffhanger filled way too many minutes of the call. But it was only for one week! In both cases these were 7-day cliffhangers only. So the question has been plaguing us for decades - did Captain Picard get premium-quality therapy before returning to command? That kind of detail could never be glossed over in the 2020s.

Try being an ORIGINAL Star Trek fan growing up in the 70's waiting 10 YEARS for a new Star Trek series...

@Jadiaz-ev9hm

3 жыл бұрын

12 years between the final episode of Enterprise and Discovery.... Just saying

If Picard had not survived, you would be making this episode 20 years later about "What if Captain Picard HAD survived?". I actually am a Determinist, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying speculation about what could have been. Maybe it's even part of the reason I enjoy such speculation. BTW I rarely comment on videos but I thought that first line was an interesting thought worth mentioning. Love your videos and your discussions, please never stop Steve. :) 20 years later? 30? It's nearly 30. I was 2 when Best of Both Worlds aired, crazy!

I just started watching your channel and I have to say, you are hilarious. Really giving me stand up vibes. Your speaking voice is great, fast and inflected but easy to understand.

I like these what-if videos, especially if they were able to save Picard in First Contact. Keep asking those questions I love how the potential timeline forms.

The bigest change would be: the Borg would have won!

@ThereIsOnly1ArcNinja

3 жыл бұрын

It is my humble duty to inform you that the Borg collective determined that it can not win any Kobayashi Maru scenario involving human interference. The cause of this is still unknown, but for the time being "Resistance is futile!"

0:41 Give this man an Oscar

@Donnagata1409

3 жыл бұрын

A Tommy would suit him just as well. He transmitted the suffering of that poor 10 yo during that loooong summer in a positively Shakesperian manner...

Chef's kiss Steve, excellent installment.

Only just found this. Man, that's the best opening minute I've seen in a while!

I’ve got a better idea re: “Future Imperfect”: Imagine if Patrick Stewart didn’t quite cut off all ties from TNG. What if he was persuaded to show up as a guest star in this episode, as Capt. Picard? The push with the fantasy would be different and more of a brain-fuck: From the time Picard was taken by the Borg to that episode, did the Borg really succeed in assimilating him? It could potentially leave Riker more broken in the end. And how would this influence the episodes after that?

Geordi would have been an excellent choice for XO. I feel like his engineering knowledge would be massively useful and his position as Chief of Engineering would serve as a natural transition into Second-in-Command.

@robot_devils_advocate

3 жыл бұрын

Riker promotes Geordi to first officer. O'Brien becomes chief engineer and never leaves for DS9. The Dominion easily conquers the Alpha Quadrant. Voyager is never launched because the Maquis is never existed. Yeah it checks out.

Ohhh I love this. Would be so down for more "what if" videos in the future!

I'll never forget sitting on the floor of my grandma's living room when the S3 finale aired... Just was in shock. And then on top lf that I realized I'd have to wait months to find out what happened next.

And what was done to the Klingons was an abomination against nonexistent God. You know it was! (smiley face to indicated joking tone)

@JanetStarChild

3 жыл бұрын

I actually prefer the updated version of the klingons in Discovery. They're more believable as a people and come off as a lot more alien and threatening. I also like them in the TOS era because they were like a warped mirror reflection of the Federation; the OG "Terrans". I find them in the TNG/DS9/VOY era to be rather dull and ludicrous; they're nothing more than a biker gang in space.

@trekjudas

3 жыл бұрын

@@JanetStarChild I don’t but that’s ok, that fact that we don’t like the exact same things don’t make either us a good or bad person. It’s ok to disagree.

I've been waiting a long time for a GOOD "Star Trek" series. Discovery continues to be disappointing. Lower Decks is mediocre and not all that funny. As for Picard, sometimes you don't want to see your heroes doddering about in their old age.

I was there too Steve... “I was there”...

Before I even watch the video here... we did sort of get a hint of what that would be like in the episode where Worf was skipping universes. When all the enterprises were getting pulled into the same area of space, one of the ships tries to attack Worf to stop him from sending everyone home. It's a Riker from an almost destroyed federation, "The Borg are everywhere!".

There's a fantastic novel I read a few years back called "Headlong Flight" by Dayton Ward, where the modern Enterprise E encounters a TNG-era version of the Enterprise D where Picard died, Riker became captain, Yar is still alive, Dr Pulaski stayed the doctor, and Wesley is a "civilian consultant".

What if there was a third option? Events stay the same till after the episode "The Family". Picard is offered by Star Fleet position of Commodore and is given a squadron command of ships with Enterprise as the lead ship. Riker is promoted to Captain of the Enterprise and Data first officer. One thing I like about the Discovery series over other Star Trek series is that the flag officers where actually given real part of the narrative outside of just appearing outside quick video chats with the Captain. I love the two -part episode "Redemption" where Picard is given a small fleet to create a blockade and with multiple ships and we see Data take command. A Commodore Picard option allows the show to use as little or as much Patrick Stewart as contract negotiation's allowed. This would also let different characters shine in different roles as the stagnant "nobody but Worf is promoted" chain of command is broken.

Great video! I feel like Riker would have struggled to fill the void left by Picard not only with the crew but with himself. I honestly would love to see Riker talk to Picard's brother explaining in person why he couldn't save Picard. That would have made some interesting drama with Robert unable to resolve his differences with his brother, and now never getting the chance.

Tip top narration, Steven!!!

I would've loved to have seen Data as First Officer, but how would that have changed Nemesis? If Picard was unavailable would Shinzon have tried to capture a Borg Cube to get Locutus? Or would Nemesis simply not exist as a movie? And if Data didn't have to save Picard, would he still be "alive" and not stuck in a simulation on "Picard?" In the comic books, Data's upload to B-4 finally worked and Data became Captain of the Enterprise. The possibilities are nearly limitless!

I’m watching this again (?) two years later and Steve sounds so much like Captain Shaw in his beginning rant. Mannerisms and everything are right there!

Loved this video, keep it up!

You had me at Sasha Tzar... XD Need to clean my keyboard from the spilled coke now...