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@stephenquinn3447

2 жыл бұрын

*France and Russia have left the chat*

@JTL1776

2 жыл бұрын

BETTER QUESTION what if there was a 3rd side in the world wars. US UK JAPAN. US America Oceania. UK Europe Africa. JAPAN Asia Siberia.

@51germa96

2 жыл бұрын

what if the second Irak war never happend? you make good videos and you should become a polititan someday

@JTL1776

2 жыл бұрын

please make a combo scenario. what if Britain formed the imperial federation and American went full colonial. could they be allies. and work together or peacefully. so two FEDERAL REPUBLICS colonial empires working together. could this ever happen could there be co-operation and peace.

@mrgeorgeb0062

2 жыл бұрын

What’s that tiny dot in western America?

Given that Romania's King was pro-German in RL and only sided with the Entente because his British wife persuaded him to Romania going with France in this scenario seems unlikely.

@hortboi8836

2 жыл бұрын

Actually(I'm not 100% sure) he listened to his people, who were pro-entente

@corneliuscapitalinus845

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, higher echelons in Romania were Francophiles, culturally ( due to romanias language being a Latin one and because French was a prestige, international, diplomatic language, and im sure there were other factors particular to Romania also). German princelings being crowned as National Monarchs was not uncommon at the time - Greece had the same tension between German Monarch and Allied factions of the upper echelons. Bulgaria had a people/culture that was sympathetic to russia but the military were pro-Prussian (in the second ww tsar Boris lamented his pro german army, italian wife and pro russian people, seeing himself as the only bulgarian). Romania in the interwar years had been pro-France, being a key part of the "little entente" supported by france.

@popeo1973

2 жыл бұрын

Lol and Germany invasion romania so easy in ww1

@hortboi8836

2 жыл бұрын

@@corneliuscapitalinus845 yes, that's why I was referring to allies, France influenced Romania a lot, plus Transilvania, Basarabia (where I live btw) and other factors

@afdalridwan3813

2 жыл бұрын

@Bruce Robertson Borat king😭

it is worth noting that it was a common sentiment among German soldiers during ww1 that instead of fighting each other, it should’ve been Germany and Britain fighting together against the French

@MrHighRaw

8 ай бұрын

Some of us still feel that way 😂

@Rickylucas86

8 ай бұрын

They called us Germans of the sea

@moodyyuhoody

8 ай бұрын

My Grandfather thought the same , he thought we should have fought the French .

@williamfrank962

8 ай бұрын

This was actually a common thought among most German and British citizens apparently. Many Germans actually vacationed in Britain so many became accustomed to the culture and their was still some resentment of France during the 19th century. Hell there was a popular alternative fiction written during this time which pitted German and Britain against France and Russia. Apparently the novel was a actual pretty fun read with the French trying to do a naval invasion to the Isle of Wight and the Germans having to deal with Russian Cossacks in eastern Prussia. I don’t know what it was called but it was a apparently a very fun read back then.

@robinwolstenholme6377

8 ай бұрын

i always said ww2 if we joined Germany against Russia we would have got rid of stalin the germans would have assassinated hitler. no cold war and the world would be a better place today

In this timeline, I think that Italy would be far more careful and prudent than they were in OTL. In OTL, Italy didn't join WW1 till 1915 because they wanted to see who's side had the advantage. In this timeline, however, they most likely would side with the Central Powers as they were clearly superior to the Entente and Italy wouldn't want to risk the benefits of the alliance. At the end of the Great War, Italy would have gained it's desired territories under french control or in France such as Savoy and Tunisia. The interesting situation would come a couple of years after the Great War, as now Italy sets it's sights on Austria. This time, the two likely options are: A new war between the two would occur, where Hungary would rebel as they felt that they were loosing influence in the Empire, or Austria manages to reorganize its empire and arranges with Italy that all territory with a majority italian population would be transferred to Italy. Either way, both Germany and Britain would try to end this conflict as soon as possible, and in the first case they would side with the country that had the upperhand at the time.

@marcihn6271

2 жыл бұрын

On The Low

@barrankobama4840

2 жыл бұрын

On the opposite, I think Italy would have been even more reckless, but not against Austria, but against France and maybe the Ottomans.

@MBP1918

2 жыл бұрын

Very insightful comment.

@iansneddon2956

2 жыл бұрын

I think Italy would offer to join in and occupy French colonial possessions in Africa, getting a territorial expansion like Japan had rooting out German possessions in the Pacific. Italy joining France would threaten Britain's Mediterranean link through the Suez to India, Australia and the Pacific. That would get ugly but without the German High Seas Fleet to worry about the Royal Navy would go after Italy in strength. A lot of risk and for what gain? So joining the central powers as a way to gobble up French colonies cut off from resupply/reinforcement from France would appear the most attractive option for Italy.

@Englishman-_-Mongolia2022

2 жыл бұрын

Britain should have sided with the Kaiser

Ah yes The two protestants superpowers actually feels more natural than an alliance in our timeline

@jakemurray2635

2 жыл бұрын

I think the completely different political systems was more of a factor than religion by the 20th century

@oceanfive8201

Жыл бұрын

Are England catholic now?

@Englishman-_-Mongolia2022

Жыл бұрын

We should have sided with the Germans 🇬🇧 🇩🇪

@robbsclock2675

Жыл бұрын

@@Englishman-_-Mongolia2022 Yes, our two nations would be better

@Sajuek

Жыл бұрын

Never underestimate the kaiser’s ability to mess things up.

Queen Victoria might be proud that her grandson joins her side. :)

@MonsieurDean

2 жыл бұрын

Her death was actually what drove Wilhelm to call for an accepting of the deal the 3rd time around.

@athishnirup1815

2 жыл бұрын

@@MonsieurDean Kind of emotional kind of when you think about it, he was really someone thinked with emotions rather than rationality or geopolitics and saw everyone his allied powers like friends, but that's not how geopolitics works.

@Kruppt808

2 жыл бұрын

Why is little Willy causing a fuss over Australia losing a monarch? I hope cousin Nicky doesn't get drawn into this Balkans flair up.

@hititmanify

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kruppt808 *gets ptsd episode of thick austrian accent and magyar shouting emus*

Britain in the 19th and Pre-WW1 saw itself as the one to balance Europe. If it thinks one power has gotten to powerful it will throw its weight behind the other Thats partly why in our timeline it allied itself with the French pre Great War as it saw Prussia as a potential threat to European stability after the successes the state has seen in the late 19th century. For this timeline to work imo France would have to have been a bigger power or Britain would have to gotten a foreign policy revamp

@scholaroftheworldalternatehist

2 жыл бұрын

Eh not quite. Britain did not want any continental power to get powerful enough to threaten its imperial interests, it was quiet imbalanced in their favor. The Germans were growing increasingly dangerous to their empire by early 1900s, that's why Britain fought them.

@algernonilfracombe

2 жыл бұрын

For this to work, either the German leadership has to avoid the naval arms race that puts it into direct competition with Britain, or France has to back Russia over Britain in the early 1900s naval standoffs (or, for that matter, the Russo-Japanese War). The real-world Triple Entente is already a strange enough political contrivance.

@ibranmlr6139

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@gringlebandersnatch

2 жыл бұрын

@@algernonilfracombe oh yeah by all rights the triple entente made zero fucking sense.

@benjaminvlasak9424

2 жыл бұрын

Britain was originally afraid of Russia becoming to powerful against them. It was when Russia lost the Russo-Japanese war that Britain moved their attention to Germany. If this was to work, Russia would have to win Russo-Japanese war

Idea:what if Britain stayed a republic (Cromwell) and I’ve been waiting for this video!

@Pigraider268

2 жыл бұрын

The most interesting thing would be the cultural impact. UK is the face of monarchy. So many of mythycised and romanticised depictions of monarchies wouldn't exist in modern world. Which could put countries already reluctant to their monarchs to shed it altogether. Definietely Spain, maybe Benelux countries, Japan?

@otanihidetora5221

2 жыл бұрын

The reddit timeline :/

@sircoloniser5454

2 жыл бұрын

You’d need a way way more competent son of Cromwell for it to stay a republic

@louicoleman2910

2 жыл бұрын

Republics 🤢🤮

@dariushutchinson2424

2 жыл бұрын

Same

What if Mithridates empire survived? What if Japan conquered Korea in the 16th century? What if guns weren’t invented?

@ladosdominik1506

2 жыл бұрын

Guns cannot be not invented. Eventually people will figure out the principles.

@alexzero3736

2 жыл бұрын

Wait wasn't 16th century in Japan a sengoku Dzidai Epoch of warring kingdoms?

@theuniverse5173

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexzero3736 Yes but japan tried conquering china and korea during the imjin war

@Kruppt808

2 жыл бұрын

Romans would have had their own rival replacing Carthage. Japan would have been a player in the open door policy the world adopted in China eventually. Longbows and horse-archers would have ruled for longer till cars and planes are invented.

@Liam1991

Жыл бұрын

What if your mum never had sex?

The United Kingdom joined the Central Powers and Germany to preserve its empire. Both the German Empire, The Ottoman Empire, Austrian-Hungary, and possibly Italy wouldn't collapse due to the exhaustion of both resources on the global scale. My question is, does Germany still becomes a monarchy or republic in this alternate timeline, in the modern era? I had a great idea for your what-if video, if you want my idea, Monsieur Z. Anyway, this is a great reference to Chamaberelan who tried to save the British Empire from collapsing, and with Chamaberelan able to convince his fellow colleagues allying themselves with the Germans is the only way to keep holding to their colonial possesions. That is some political charismatic genius Chamaberelan had to pull and it worked. This is an amazing Mr. Z, keep up the amazing work for you are the best alternate historian KZreadr who really knows the history and understands what would happen if histories of historical events change by simple courses of actions.

@gringlebandersnatch

2 жыл бұрын

I imagine they'd stay a monarchy, with no collapsing war effort to curb the kaisers power and the preservation of the kaiserreich leading to the ascension of the much less volatile Wilhelm III I don't see it becoming a republic. This war would also be by all rights a victory for European monarchism proving that as an institution monarchy was still viable.

@TheSwedishHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

definitely stay a monarchy, even if they gradually lose power. If the UK joined then france would peace out early

@deepblume6611

2 жыл бұрын

I think germany will follow the UKs way and set up a constitutional monarchy instead of a absolute one

@savagedarksider5934

2 жыл бұрын

@@deepblume6611 I wish I could live that timeline.

@realmadrid9432

2 жыл бұрын

Germany is America dog doing bark bark at what America says, Britain of course was ally of III reich they didn't helped their ally named Poland in 1939 because of fear. Same thing in 1944 when Poland was doing fight for freedom at Warsaw... When soviets came to Poland, Britain finally started thinking because of warsaw pact.

France: You can't control the continent! Germany: Kaiser Reich go burr

@heidi_bavarian1725

2 жыл бұрын

we would have won if the britisch did not fight us

@itsmemogul889

2 жыл бұрын

@@heidi_bavarian1725 its your guys fault, germany attacked belgium lmao

@Englishman-_-Mongolia2022

2 жыл бұрын

@@itsmemogul889 it's also British fault we secured Belgian neutrality. Our fatal mistake

@StarstreakHVM

2 жыл бұрын

*Kaiserreich

@heidi_bavarian1725

2 жыл бұрын

@@itsmemogul889 und we conqerd frankreich after what it did in versailles

What if Karl I had been able to pull the Austro-Hungarian Empire out of WWI instead of being humiliated by the Sixstus Affair. Would the empire still exist today? How would post war Europe have recovered with one standing government among the ruins of Germany, Russia, and the Ottoman Empire?

@mappingshaman5280

2 жыл бұрын

Well if Austria Hungary survived ww1 that would actually change a lot. If Austria Hungary both survived and left early, the czechoslovak legions might have left Russia sooner, and if they did they couldn't have stolen white russias gold or betrayed kolchak. With kolchaks continued leadership plus a lot more money and the presumed support of Austria (whom wouldn't want a communist power on their doorstep) its possible albeit still unlikely, the whites might have won the civil war.

@Pigraider268

2 жыл бұрын

@@mappingshaman5280 But Kolchak was universally disliked both in Russia and abroad so it could be temporary solution that could lead to either liberalization or radicalization and each of this results would completely changed the tides of upcoming war and subsuquent postwar era. Edit: I actually mistook Kolchak for Kerensky xd so universal "dislikiness" part is not quite accurate in that scenario

@alexzero3736

2 жыл бұрын

Well even if AH survived WW1 somehow, it would be shrinked in size as many of it s lands were promised to Poland, Serbia, Romania, Italy... also there would be a question of Bohemia, i really doubt that Czechoslovakia wont be created, although there was significant German diaspora in Bohemia, so Bohemia may stay a part of Austria-Hungary. Questions of Slovenia and Croatia would be decided by plebescites. Anyway this would change events of 1938, as Austria-Hungary would resist German annexation. If France or Italy support them, nazi Germany could be put down early -No Ww2. Fun facts are King Charles actually tried to return to Hungary, but was stopped at the border and next king in the line Otto -was Austria in 1930s agitating against Nazis. Also back to early 20th century Austria-Hungary was kinda safe heaven for Jews, while anti-jew sentiment was strong in other European countries, especially Germany and Russia.

@savagedarksider5934

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexzero3736 WW1 was the best thing to happen for the heretics--AKA Republicans. They betrayed the good Karl.

@jakemurray2635

2 жыл бұрын

The Entente as far as I know had no intention of letting Austria Hungary survive

Other than mega-Greece, this is a very interesting and well thought out scenario. One of your best videos yet and a great time period.

@onlybradparker

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I agree. It seems unlikely Greece would gain Libya. Would make more sense the UK or Germany getting it.

@billvilmezis5968

2 жыл бұрын

Ya greece wouldnt get lybia perhaps we would have anothet greko turkish war

@hititmanify

2 жыл бұрын

Greece gets also neapolis and carthago gets reestablished with its iberian colonial possessions.

@gaiusoctavius6107

Жыл бұрын

Turk detected

@leelaprasad9916

8 ай бұрын

​@@onlybradparker It could happen like when Belgium was given the Congo as None wanted the other to receive it.

I feel like with Britain in the Cental Powers, Italy would be much too intimidated by the overwhelming land and naval strength to make such a move, while I also think that if the Italo-Turkish war ends with Italy taking Libya, Britain would not mind much, as it would only push the Ottoman Empire into Britain's arms more. I think a Italo-Greek Alliance that courts both the Entente and Central Powers would probably be more likely, as they have a shared interest in Albania and the downfall of the Ottoman Empire. If Greece were to take Northern Epirus, the Dodecanese and as much Greek Ottoman land as they can, the Italians would take the rest of Albania, Libya and coastal Turkish lands.

@alexzero3736

2 жыл бұрын

Those are conflicting aims. Actually in Greco-turkish war Italians tworted some Greek efforts. Even if some peace conference would draw the lines, the next event would be an Italo-Greek war.

@hititmanify

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexzero3736 one of top 3 feudes of all time.

@cpj93070

7 ай бұрын

I mean Italy were very close to joining the Central Powers originally anyway, only for Britain and France promising them land if they joined the Entente, I'm 100% certain if Britain was in the Central Powers then Italy would have joined and France and Russia would have no chance.

Glad to see the old what if videos back.

Why is Greece so big and colonial? Wouldn't it make more sence for Britain (or Germany) to get these colonies or parts of them (at least for Cyrenaica to join under Egypt)?

@georgios_5342

2 жыл бұрын

No. Greece in this timeline does not experience the national schism. Megali Idea is still a strong movement and the Greek navy is strong, just as in our timeline. The republican Veniselist faction works together with the royalists and Greece punches far above its size, like in the Balkan wars. Imagine that the national schism was like a civil war on joining Britain or Germany. In this scenario that doesn't happen, Greece is much stronger. Greece reached 30km from Ankara by itself despite having to deal with the effects of the schism. Without it, it would definitely make much more progress.

@thegamingallosaurus7281

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgios_5342 Seems kinda too much to have all of those Greater Greek Territories directly controlled, I can absolutely see the Greeks having major soft power in the region, but occupying all of that land Is just asking for trouble, eventually it would become like Austria Hungary if it took all that.

@justsefa1843

2 жыл бұрын

Forget the colonial land. They are getting gifted the capital and industrial heart of their ally as a gift, because why not. Somehow the Ottomans, the greeks and the central powers are all on the same side and Greece is getting territory out of the Ottomans. That's Gigabrain^Gigabrain^2HighIQ right there.

@georgios_5342

2 жыл бұрын

@@justsefa1843 this is the Megali Idea. I'd the lands were first occupied by the Bulgarians, they would have definitely been acquired by Greece after that.

@justsefa1843

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgios_5342 That's just nonsense and not how the world works. You would fuck the alliance up right there. And in the first place, the Ottomans were tough enough to whitestand a multiple front war. In this case, the Ottomans would only have two fronts. A short one on the Balkans and Caucasia. As if Bulgaria alone could crush most of the Ottoman army on its own. Even in case of a potential occupation, after liberating the territory, Greece would definetly not get ownership of it.

The thing I love about your video format is that even though I feel I know all the context of the video you still have new and exciting analysis of the time periods and histories that are the foundation for the AR.

As an Englishman, I believe Britain should have joined the Central Powers 😭 I am very sad, damn french and their entente!!!

Mr. Z, I absolutely loved this alt history! I especially enjoyed the alternate World War 1, that concept I feel is so underdone aside from switching the victors. (No shade at Kaiserreich or anything, but still.) Fantastic work!

I’d like to see the new episode of Scar Nicholas very soon. :)

@rokball4892

2 жыл бұрын

Same here

If Britain had joined the Central Powers: "Hey, Japan, do you fancy gaining Indochina?"

@James-sk4db

17 күн бұрын

If Britain joined central powers then so would Japan, and it would probably invade Russia and China.

I believe that an alternate universe, where the French and Germans swap places with their alliances (Germay in the Entente and Franc in the Central Powers) would be very interesting

@alexzero3736

2 жыл бұрын

It's basically autoloose for "Central powers" as German-Russo alliance would dominate the land while British-German fleet would dominate the seas.

@cpj93070

6 ай бұрын

@@alexzero3736 Yes that would be even worse for the Central Powers and an even shorter war.

The war truly saddens me, we should have fought together with our German brother

He listened to our comments for a video on this topic on the federation’s video, a true gentleman this KZreadr is.

Wow this is fantastic. Leaving a comment to help with the algorithm

@MonsieurDean

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate it, pal.

Really interesting scenario! I guess Germany and Great Britain would pretty quickly be stagnant since with power, the rivalry also grows. And other powers would have stirred up these tensions even more.

I like these alternate histories of yours.

Why does Greece get Libya and Tunisia? It would make far more sense for it to be given back to the Ottomans.

@georgios_5342

2 жыл бұрын

If Greece isn't given something to be satisfied, at least temporarily, then it would attack the Ottomans to gain the Megali Idea lands, which would not be good for the alliance.

WW1 was completely avoidable. My grandfather chirpy WW1 Tommy who came home to nothing but twenty years of regular unemployment with periods of work on poverty wages. It's no wonder it used to be called the war caused by the "Pride of kings.

Actually, I think Bulgaria would still be more likely to join the central powers, as Serbian-held Macedonia was a bigger priority than the Greek coastal region and if Romania joined the Entente, they could also get Dobruja

This should have happened. Germany and Britain were strong allies for centuries before the First World War. Both shared a Germanic culture and a common history and ancestry, both were Protestant, both historically saw France as an enemy power. It made perfect sense, and Britain joining the central powers would have assuredly won them the war, which would have avoided the events that occurred leading up to the Second World War. I believe Britain not joining the Central Powers was a grave historical mistake not only for Britain and Germany, but for all of Europe.

the best timeline, only beat by a timeline without ww1

We should have fought together. I love my German brothers and sisters.

Now it's Grecee's time in the sun.

@georgios_5342

2 жыл бұрын

If the National Schism hadn't happened, we'd be in Pontus by now 💪🇬🇷

Brilliant: Just Brilliant...eye opening and very instructive...

Been scratching my head as to how I can make a Anglo-German Alliance work in a story I am writing, And I discover this video which has brought some interesting idea as to how I can try to make it happen and be somewhat practical to the story.

Please let this man help design hoi4 focus trees

So basically the alliance between Britain and Germany fell through because Germany demanded any agreement gave them far, far more than the potential ally. The idea of an equal partnership with equal gains for both was an alien concept to them

And with the new chapter of the Scar Nicholas, I’d like to see the What if Dollfuss survives from assassination then allied with Italy to avoid Anschluss and declare a war on Germany with the allies. And I’d like to see the scenario that what if Sino-Soviet conflict in 1969 cause the WW3, What if Britain annex US after the war of 1812, What if USA use nuke during the Korean War, and what if Mongolian Army conquered Japan and India.

No fascism, no communism, traditional monarchies still around. No WWII. No USSR vs US Cold War. Best timeline.

This was an awsome video These two truly would be unstoppable also I gotta say that Those are some fine British and German Borders they be lookin Clean 🇬🇧🇩🇪

Portugal was always a close ally of England and this since the 14th century. With the French defeat, probably France would be excluded from most of Africa and totally from the Indochina. More, Portuga's territories were a kind of buffer State between British and German African colonies, so it's very unlikely that if remaining neutral, Portugal would be excluded against the British interests there. Anyway, Germany and Britain would clash about commercial policies.

6:47 France: drawn with Alsace-Lorraine still under their control, otherwise pretty accurate. Germany: Pretty Accurate Russia: looks like you tried to cut it out of card with blunt scissors.

I really liked the historic element to this video. Very interesting

I like the Axis-Germany pun at 5:00

I could see a potential wrench in the gears with this timeline: the United States, and it could actually go either way. On the other hand, there were strong pro-British and pro-German sentiments among Americans at the turn of the 19th Century which would push public opinion in favor of the Central Powers. However, going into the 1910s and 1920s, the US might start to see the Central Powers as a threat to the Monroe Doctrine, as without any major threats to their hegemony, the British (whose tacit support was what enabled the Monroe Doctrine to have any teeth) might reconsider whether they support it, to say nothing about American ambitions in the Pacific, and may find itself siding with France and Russia to check their rivals.

@funman9702

2 жыл бұрын

I was hoping this video would discuss the United States a bit further,

@iansneddon2956

2 жыл бұрын

But without losses of Americans to u-boat attacks, there would be less public outrage on which to go to war. I think the first American response to the war (and the combined British and German navies) would be their own naval arms race.

@z3r0_35

2 жыл бұрын

@@iansneddon2956 Believe me, they'll find something else to make people angry or scared about. The most likely method would be an invasion scare (which did happen at the turn of the century, which convinced Congress to finally give the US Navy some proper funding)

@Kruppt808

2 жыл бұрын

Theodore Roosevelt thought war was inevitable with the Kaiser based on his diplomacy. Germans would say we determine what are interests are only, then Roosevelt would ask, then why do you want to have a diplomatic conference if only your opinion matters on your supposed interests? Meaning you don't want to talk business, you want to dictate terms toward the rest of Europe and the Americans.

@EABirch

2 жыл бұрын

The Americans wouldn’t have been much of a threat to Britain or Germany at that time, they didn’t have much of an army and needed a long time to mobilise, the only reason they did what they did in wwi was because they had sat out for the first couple of years and had their economy benefit from it

Oh wow, it’s very early and I like it very much! XD

I like that Alsace /Elsaß is in both France and Germany at 6:45

Interesting. Britain had a small but very professional army in 1914, which punched above their weight holding the Germans back and contributing to the Germans ultimately being halted before Paris. With Britain as an ally, Germany could bring battleships in for shore bombardment to support the siege of Antwerp, or use them to support advance along the coast taking Dunkirk. Also without an expanded British and Commonwealth presence in France, there is no Battle of the Somme to take pressure off the French at Verdun (or similar German offensive). And without a British naval blockade, Germany has access to raw materials and won't face the starvation that set in as the war progressed. Note that the above doesn't factor in British forces joining in anywhere, just a greater ability for Germany to bring forces to bear. The Royal Navy could blockade French ports (necessary to prevent French interference with trade routes through the Meditteranean and Atlantic) which would drive France into economic crisis. Without unrestricted submarine warfare, there would also be less excuse for USA to join the war.

@heidi_bavarian1725

2 жыл бұрын

ya battle of mons ,the britisch saved the frankreich

@juliantheapostate8295

9 ай бұрын

Agreed, the war would have been over in well under 6 months

If you think about it this timeline is almost a paradise since WW1 will not be a major conflict and dictators such as Hitler and Stalin would not rise up to power and thus the millions of casualties in our timeline will not happen

Best video in a while

France & Russia: Haha I'm in danger

I just read about King Edward VII (at that time still a prince) eldest son, Prince Albert Victor. He was in love with Princess Margaret of Prussia. If Queen Victoria agrees with his relationship and Prince Albert Victor didn't die from pneumonia. I think there's a possibility of Germany becomes Britain's ally due to royal marriages.

Pls do What if Austria-Hungary "betrayed" Germany when Karl took a throne?

@athishnirup1815

2 жыл бұрын

Highly unlikely secnerio, why flock to others when you are getting what you want, this alliance would be too good for Karl to leave the alliance but, he would reduce a lot of infulance and make his empire manage their own affair more sufficiently rather than always asking Germany for help.

@alexzero3736

2 жыл бұрын

Karl actually asked Entente for armistice, he just rejected any Italian claims. Anyway if he did it, Austria would suffer fate of WW2 Italy , occupied by Germany

@athishnirup1815

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexzero3736 there's a two decade or more than that gap over here, so much would have changed maybe even hitler moves back to Vienna and as the empire is federalised, more reforms will be made to make it stable.

@Pigraider268

2 жыл бұрын

@@athishnirup1815 I asked for it because there was a real attempt to do it. What's funny Entente powers considered Germany to be the real aggressor and A-H to be a victim of her ally's aggressive and expansionist policies. That's why when Karl took throne in later part of the War there were moves to get along with Etente and reform A-H into the US of Greater Austria inspired by USA to make counterbalance to Germany and hostile Red or White Russia (many people forgets White Russia was protofascist/ultranationalist gouvernment headed by military and not all of them cherished the idea of Tsar return) in Central Europe

Good KZread channel I’m subscribing

I love the new map design

Idea what if Britain remained a Republic (Cromwell) I've been waiting for this video

I imagine there would either be no ww1 or a very short one where France peaces out quickly so I wouldn’t expect so drastic border changes

@helmetmcbarin

8 ай бұрын

Well you know the French sure do like there white flags

Can you make a part 2?

Germany and the UK are natural allies, not enemies. It’s always been this way and always will be. Many in the UK were against WW1 and WW2, and it took a large amount of government propaganda to change public discourse, even during the first 1-2 years into WW2. Many British politicians in post war time are regretful as to the decision the British government made in the 30s which lead to conflict against Germany, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

@tomassmith1519

8 ай бұрын

The british showed often that they where far more ready to fight the french than the germans before. But after Wilheln 2. started a very agressive external policy they slowly started to see Germany as the new bigger treath to their empire as france.

However unlikely it is you should do a scenario where Spain won, or at least forced a stalemate in the Spanish-American War.

Correction: Multiple times you used the map of France with Alsace Lorraine, when it shouldn't be French but instead German (I can see that you also made Alsace Lorraine part of Germany, as shown at 6:38.

Nice job. Got one for you; What if Georgy Zhukov (Soviet General) launched a successful coup after WW2

I need an entire video of you speaking French now!

Looking at the world today, I’m starting to think this would have been a good idea.

@helmetmcbarin

8 ай бұрын

It would unite the world as Germany and Britian would be able to take over. No more wars

8:10 "AGH "

Thank you for the video not a lot of discussion about this theory

Love Hilbert's helm on netherlands XD!

Love the ww1 stuff since ww2 is 90% of all the history videos still.

A very interesting timeline very thoughtfully presented. One biproduct would be that America would not get the huge boost to its economy and industry it did in WW1 as suppling military equipment and financial help would not have happened. This could also mean that they Wall Street crash would not have happen as the circumstances would be changed. I have come across another alternative timeline which kept the Triple Alliance but instead of sending troops to France, Britain, still using its navy as in WW1, provides financial help to France. France would probably go the same was as they did in 1870, and also probably in the same time scale, but it would mean Britain would not suffer the loses in men, material and money as they did in WW1.

@alexzero3736

2 жыл бұрын

You mean Britain does naval blockade only and gives money and materials to France, Belgium and Russia? This actually looks like very best course of action. Russia would be beaten, but not so much for becoming communist, even if Red revolution happened anyway it would be put down just like Spartacist uprising in Germany. And Russia would go on as democracy under SR party. France also would be defeated earlier than 1918... overall shorter war would be less devastating for everyone. Status quo between UK and Central powers would be signed, i guess.

@afisto6647

Жыл бұрын

@@alexzero3736 😦 You two are the perfect and pure personnification of Perfidious Albion.

@alexzero3736

Жыл бұрын

@@afisto6647 well 😅, I just believe that winner doesn't matter as much as giant losses and whole tragedy of WW1. Short war like victory by Christmas would be better for all Europe.

Very interesting

Basically if the King of Britain allied himself with his German Kaiser Cousin into Central Powers. Good video by the way.

What if Roman Empire discovers gunpowder and What if France conquer the Korea(Kingdom of Joseon) in 1866?

@alexzero3736

2 жыл бұрын

Hunns: invade Roman empire: here is my broomstick!

@hititmanify

2 жыл бұрын

Crassus instead of going to persia should have spent half of his wealth on developing the machine gun.

If it did then it wouldn't be called the Central Powers because the UK isn't in Central Europe, and since they joined the war before Italy officially broke its alliance with Germany and the Austrians it likely would have been called the Quad Alliance.

@maxdavis7722

9 ай бұрын

Are the ottomans in Central Europe to you?

@cpj93070

6 ай бұрын

@@maxdavis7722 Yeah but the Ottomans came to the party late, and the war and name had already been decided by that point.

We need part 2.

I heard it reference that alternate history hub made this video 6 or 7 years ago but I have not been able to find it does anyone know where it is Or if it even exists thank you

What would have happened if The Austro-Hungarian empire was partitioned (partially or fully) by Deutschland, Italy and Russia (and friends) after the Franco Prussian war?

Britain and Germany truly would’ve been Invincible Britains biggest weakness was its ground force but Germany had the strongest one in the world Germanys biggest weakness was its Navy but Britain Dominated the Worlds oceans they truly.

Well, another redo of an earlier video. This'll be fun I bet.

Glad to see more alt history

What if the Victorian alliance existed (Britain Germany Russia)

Chamberlin: (makes mater of fact proposition) the Germans: I said no lies! I think he was telling the truth. I if he was telling the truth wouldn't have told us!

How about a video with the topic: „What if the revolutions of 1848 succeeded." Especially about the revolutions in Germany and Austria at this time.

Another great video!!!! You do a couple of other ones. One with Japan joining the central powers and the other with Russia joining the central powers!!!

Story Time. Darth Vader and four Dark Jedi's approached Tony; who was sitting Indian style-His back against them. Vader and the four Dark Jedi's ignited their lightsabers. Darth Vader: In name of the Galactic Empire, you are under arrest. He stood up and took out his lightsaber and ignited it. Tony:I refuse to go. In mere seconds he took out two of the three dark jedi's-And eventually-Took out the other.

@Ok-but

2 жыл бұрын

may i inquirer the source

@savagedarksider5934

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ok-but It's A draft from one of my Star Wars scripts.

Greece would not have the power to hold Bulgaria, it would simply be inflicted massive war debts and turned into an Austrian puppet. It also wouldn't be able to hold Libya, which would either go to Britain or Austria.

@georgios_5342

2 жыл бұрын

This is untrue. Greece defeated Bulgaria easily in the Second Balkan War, took all the coast and reached a few kilometers outside Sofia, and in the end gave too much of the land back in an effort of rapprochement. Greece without the National Schism (three year civil war on which side to join, 1914-1917) would be much stronger. Venizelos cooperates with the king and the navy is also much better. Also Britain would have to appease Greece with something, otherwise it would just attack the Ottomans according to the Megali Idea, which would be bad for the alliance with the Germans, at least initially.

@mitchjervis8453

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgios_5342, I did not say the Greeks would gain some territory from Bulgaria, I said they would not take ALL of Bulgaria.

@georgios_5342

2 жыл бұрын

@@mitchjervis8453 maybe not occupy all of it but definitely extend its influence there. Greece and Britain would have not allowed the Ottomans to extent their influence in the Balkans and the Austrians on the other side would not have been a better choice either. See it like this: Greece wanted lots of majority Greek lands in Anatolia, but couldn't get them immediately because Ottomans would be in the German sphere. Greece on the other hand would be in the British sphere. Greece without the National Schism can easily reach to Sofia and obliterate Bulgaria militarily (like it did in our timeline, but this time it's even easier, especially if it's surrounded by enemy powers like the Ottomans and Serbs). If Bulgaria attacks Greece, then both Greece and Britain couldn't afford to allow it to escape from somehow being in check.

@vhp4641

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgios_5342 The greek military didnt obliterate anything, greece was by far the weakest nation after montenegro militarily and you were stopped and almost encircled by the bulgarians in the second balkan war. If romania and the ottomans didnt join the second balkan war and if serbian and greek troops counterattacked bulgaria like in our timeline the whole greek army wouldve been encircled and destroyed .

@georgios_5342

2 жыл бұрын

@@vhp4641 *almost. On the other hand if you look on the map, Greece liberated all of Macedonia and Western Thrace and pushed to 40km from Sofia. This combined with the Romanian push prompted the Tsar to capitulate.

Excellent tune up video for anyone playing Victoria 2 (or Victoria 3!)

I like how both Chamberlains were so desperate to be friendly with Germany.

@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462

Жыл бұрын

If they could make peace in Europe than they could conquer the world together.

Wish I lived in *that* universe.

What if the central powers was Germany, Britain, and Russia?

@helmetmcbarin

8 ай бұрын

Then the world would be united under three powers

@cpj93070

6 ай бұрын

100% central powers victory, what else?

@helmetmcbarin

6 ай бұрын

@@cpj93070 Germany and Russia working together back then probably could do a slow take over of the world, highly likely there was no one else who could oppose them and if they had Britian on there side its 1000% chance of victory the three together with there former might could have very easily taken the whole world there would be nothing to stand in there way

I love this new map style

I literally just had this question a few weeks ago, then this pops up.

Any scenario that ends with Greater Greece is a good scenario.

@georgios_5342

2 жыл бұрын

True. Agreed

@cazwalt9013

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

What if Canada revolted with the States in the American Revolution. What if Japan was Annexed as a State into the United States after WW2 What if the Balkans were a Unified Country

@TheZett

2 жыл бұрын

For the latter you can look up "Yugoslavia".

@Talesofaweedsmoker

2 жыл бұрын

japan would never assimilate into american culture.

This might be an interesting Alternate History: What if Rome lost the Punic Wars?

Just imagine the engineering progress that wouldve happened with this alliance.

I'd really like to see "What if Britian joined the Axis?" or "What if Britian stayed neutral in WWII?" The Germans concidered britons to be arian brothers and didn't want a war with Britian. From the Nazi point of view France was the one that caused Germany's humiliation in WWI and the USSR was the socialist threat that must be stopped. It would be interesting to see the world if Britian either made peace or joined the axis after Dunkirk. Germany could even claim they allowed the British to escape Dunkirk because they didn't want to slaughter arians.

@fkjl4717

2 жыл бұрын

There is no guaranteed outcome with this. German fleet would block Land-Lease coming from USA to USSR and also Germany would be able to buy oil from Middle East. But USSR also was able to sustain itself , German -Soviet War could drag like 10+ years...

@jakemurray2635

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t really matter if Hitler liked the British, the British and dominion public absolutely hated the Nazis and by 1939 accepted that war was inevitable. And don’t forget, Britain had a socialist government in the 20s and would again in 1945 so that wasn’t a very big deal. And if Britain sued for peace in 1940, that would pretty much be the end of the empire as it would prove they were incapable of defending it and so the dominions and especially India would simply leave. I get that it’s alt history but Britain supporting Hitler is both ridiculous and impossible.

@matthewshipley739

Ай бұрын

A good example of this scenario is The Thousand Week Reich, a mod for Hearts of Iron 4

@James-sk4db

17 күн бұрын

Most likely would be a peace treaty if instead of Dunkirk miracle there was a storm and all those troops became POWs. Then likely U.K. vs Japan would still carry on, and continental Europe vs ussr would carry on, us would make lots of money. Probably ussr fall without lend lease and British taking Iran so that supplies could make it to them. Who knows in the pacific, maybe Japanese China but British retain the rest of the pacific with the us.

Greece in this scenario would no doubt join the Triple alliance. Irl there was a big dispute between the royalists, who wanted to join Germany, and the republicans, who wanted to join Britain, because it was the preeminent naval power and was against the Turks and Bulgarians. This created the National Schism, effectively a civil war, which needed outside intervention to be solved by 1917 so that Greece would finally join the British alliance. In this scenario, the King and Venizelos (the leader of the Republicans) continue cooperation in the First World War, like in the Balkan Wars. This already makes it more powerful. The Autonomous State of Northern Epirus is annexed, just us in our world, and this time Italy, being on the losers side, cannot reverse it. Furthermore Greece claims more lands in the Balkans and Eastern Mediterranean as part of the Megali Idea and Veniselist doctrines to turn Greek economic and demographic influence into political. Now, a big question. Who do the Ottomans side with? Even though they wanted to side with the Germans because of economic ties, it's not a given that they would take the same side as Greece and Britain, who both wanted their lands. My guess is that Britain would demand certain oil rich colonies in Arabia which would be accepted, and Greece would demand the Megali Idea lands which would be rejected. Therefore this could create a small rift between the British and German factions. Nevertheless, Britain could easily dominate the Mediterranean navally, and with the minor help of Greece seize Italian holdings in Africa, possibly even Corsica and Sardinia. Complete Triple Alliance domination in Europe would be militarily possible, as more than half its total power would be untied on one side. However I doubt America would allow that to happen, they'd work as a counterbalance to the Triple alliance's claims.

@anvos658

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly the USA wouldn't care as joining the Central Powers would pretty much be a given since both papa Britain and the former homeland of German immigrants would be on the same side and they could further their ambitions of limiting European influence in the Americas by kicking out France. Big thing is you might find the USA have far more German culture as part of the primary mix, since the Great War being different would take a way an excuse to degermanize immigrants.

So I haven’t been getting KZread modifications for about a year! I thought you stop making content lmao

thank you