Those pictures of the 15000 troops on board the Queen Mary is fascinating!

@bobgraf7510

3 жыл бұрын

That's a lot of mouths to feed too. It takes 6 days to cross the Atlantic by ship. I get ornery when they don't feed me on a flight.

@CSXtrackworker

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine how bad it must of smelled inside the ship.

@mattep74

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine if a German u-boat had managed to sink it

@bobgraf7510

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattep74 Early in the war, the German U boats sunk a lot of the merchant shipping bringing supplies to Britain and the Soviets. But by the time the US was actively engaged in the European theater, all this shipping had naval escort and the German U boats were less successful.

@m.miller2374

2 жыл бұрын

I’m sure the bathrooms were very pleasant with that many people, haha. 😫

Something you didn't touch on. If everyone was saved........ from the captain, Ismay, and Andrews down to every third class passenger and every crew member, we now have all 2200 people who were on titanic as eye witnesses to the breakup. Absolutely no way for them to deny that it did break in half.

@drunksquirrel2051

3 жыл бұрын

And also prove that Olympic swap story is total bullshit

@wambutu7679

3 жыл бұрын

The breakup would have been obvious in the lights of the Californian.

@TheBrister

3 жыл бұрын

@@wambutu7679 right.

@janrafhael2885

Жыл бұрын

And they were right when her wreck was discovered 73 years later by Dr. Robert Ballard.

@janrafhael2885

Жыл бұрын

​@@drunksquirrel2051 yeah, that swap theory was "EXTREMELY~ EXTREMELY~EXTREMELY~ EXTREMELY~EXTREMELY~ EXTREMELY~EXTREMELY~ EXTREMELY~EXTREMELY~ ABSURD!!!!!!!!!

Amazing theory, all around!!! Here's some topic ideas in case you want them: 1. Dogs on the Titanic (lets be honest; this isnt talked about as much, and its an interesting topic) 2. Lifetime of the Olympic, Mauretania, and Aquitania before they were scraped 3. Sinking of the Andrea Doria, Empress of Ireland (you've mentioned these but never done videos on them), or the Carpathia. Thanks for these videos btw, you've become one of my favorite maritime discussing youtubers as of late :).

@mystiquesword

3 жыл бұрын

Yes please talk about the animals & dont forget rigel! He was murdochs dog. A Newfoundland breed who can withstand the cold & apparently one of the survivors brought him back to scotland after seeing him on the carpathia or something like that.

@Astyanaz

3 жыл бұрын

Several smaller dogs lived. Larger ones died. At least one owner chose to die with her dogs.

Have you ever considered doing a video on the sinking of the Bismarck and the H.M.S. Hood? I will never forget the interview with one of the 3 surviving crew members.

There would be two side effects if this scenario takes place: 1.- Titanic would never be famous to the popular culture has we all now today. 2.- The shipping industry will not make changes on lifeboats configurations until another vessel sanks like the Titanic and without having a ship nearby to rescue them.

@Jermster_91

3 жыл бұрын

3. There would have been more deaths in the merchant marine in World War 1 as merchant ships were targeted by naval ships, commerce Raiders and U boats

@neilbain8736

3 жыл бұрын

Your point 2 would certainly happen when WW1 came a long and necessitated this. There would be a colossal outcry with its own potential sociological effects, because, remembering that popular history has the Titanic disaster as a metaphor for class distinction, this wouldn't be the case. Quite another direction of thought to explore.

@dreamcaster964

3 жыл бұрын

Completely disagree on both. 1. Now that we have more people surviving, we also have more eye-witnesses as well. 2. That would only be the case if the World Wars weren't a thing.

@Walker_TR2

2 жыл бұрын

Fair point. As grim as it sounds, the titanic or an event like it, that forced shipping lines to consider what if there aren't ships around, was necessary to making ship survivability what it is today.

Interesting idea. Wish it had happened. The lifeboat story was new to me. I didn't know that. You stay safe too. Long live Titanic.

@MrT------5743

3 жыл бұрын

Um, the Titanic sunk, so your 'long live Titanic' comment is 109 years too late.

@clairefunnell8481

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrT------5743 I write that all the time. No one complains about it.

@MrT------5743

3 жыл бұрын

@@clairefunnell8481 Not complaining about it, just weird you said long live the Titanic when it is no longer 'living'. People don't say long live George Washington who died long ago.

OMG, the Old Spice add! It’s been literal YEARS since I saw that add, and I’ve missed it! Love your channel, too, Sam, but damn, what a fine start to my day; medieval old spice, and then your stuff! YAY!!

Sam I like your videos a lot. I put them on and just play them in the background and you talking about sunken ships just calms me down and eases my anxiety. Thanks for that.

You've mentioned that they barely launched the lifeboats they had on Titanic so even if they had more, they would've had time to launch them. That being the case, they wouldn't have been able to use Californian's lifeboats to ferry off of Titanic, but they could've picked up those in the water. Also, they could've kept some people in the lifeboats rather than bringing them onboard. After all, it was only until another ship could arrive and that's what ended up happening, anyway, so additional lifeboats plus some coming onboard would've been a better situation.

Ii wasn’t sure about the ‘what if videos’ before but I’ve grown to love them. It’s fascinating to think what could have happened IF this had happened or IF that person had done that thing. The Titanic disaster was such a powerful mix of everything coming together in the wrong way. Bit of weird weather, bit of design weakness maybe, lots of humans being human, huge amounts of terrible luck and/or terrible timing and there you go. It happened in large part BECAUSE no one could conceive of such a thing happening. Air France Flight 447 is called the Titanic of the Skies and she really was. The same combination of weird weather, instrument failure (albeit temporary), crew mixups and screwups and whatnot and now we have a passenger jet in the same ocean as the Titanic, both sent there with the very best of intentions. Like the Titanic, if any one of those factors had been the only one to happen that night it likely wouldn’t have happened.

Didn’t it take all night to onboard Titanic’s survivors onto Carpathia? I wonder if there would have been enough time to transfer everyone to another ship.

@bartmartens1424

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the very same thing ...

@MrT------5743

3 жыл бұрын

They would really only need to transfer people into life boats though. I don't know how much capacity the Californian's lifeboats has, but if only 10 lifeboats of the same size as Titanic's were available on another ship were launched and filled, that's 650 people. Plus lets say only 10 life boats worth of Titanic's people transferred to another ship and were available for more people that's another 650 saved. That would total 1300 more people saved out of 1517 people who died.

@TorontoJediMaster

3 жыл бұрын

It took about four hours from the time of arrival to the time the last boat was picked up. However, that's because Carpathia was stopped and the boats were approaching it from various distances away. Presumably Captain Lord would've tried to get as close as he safely could to allow quick turnarounds.

@bartmartens1424

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't knew that yet. Thanks for the info

@Astyanaz

3 жыл бұрын

They would not have had to load all the survivors onto the Carpathia before the Titanic sank. Some could have remained in the lifeboats if there was no room on the Carpathia.

Don’t forget the Olympic was also trying to get to the titanic as well and even offered to take on the survivors from the carpathia but was decided that the titanic survivors would probably not want to board another ship so similar that night

@inkheart151

3 жыл бұрын

That is a very strange reason to not take on freezing survivors.....

@aceofspades1849

3 жыл бұрын

It was the captain of carpathea who declined Olympics offer because he felt it would be traumatic for the survivors of titanic to board a ship that looked almost exactly the same

@aceofspades1849

3 жыл бұрын

It was the captain of carpathea who declined Olympics offer because he felt it would be traumatic for the survivors of titanic to board a ship that looked almost exactly the same

@aceofspades1849

3 жыл бұрын

It was the captain of carpathea who declined Olympics offer because he felt it would be traumatic for the survivors of titanic to board a ship that looked almost exactly the same

@aceofspades1849

3 жыл бұрын

It was the captain of carpathea who declined Olympics offer because he felt it would be traumatic for the survivors of titanic to board a ship that looked almost exactly the same

Do a video about R.M.S Olympic next Please!! ❤️

imagine a captain and crew as well passengers aboard another ship witnessing the break up and final plunge of the titanic. I'd freak tf out if I saw this happening in front of my eyes 😳

Video idea: what if britannic was damaged exactly as much as titanic via iceberg

@niki75

3 жыл бұрын

She would've survived... Pretty much the topic in a nutshell

@niki75

3 жыл бұрын

I feel I should reiterate that the reason she would've survived is because in the aftermath of the Titanic disaster both Britannic and Olympic underwent some retrofits. Both ships had their WT bulkheads extend up to B-deck, and Britannic in particular was built with a double hull, making her... I believe some 9ft wider than her two older sister ships. It is because of these changes the Britannic could remain afloat with the first *six* compartments breached (Up to Boiler room 5, the coal bunker alone is *not* a full compartment)

@robertdwyer5486

3 жыл бұрын

Britannic sank as the port holes were left open to air the ship out...

@belfast4893

3 жыл бұрын

Didn’t Historic Travels already mentioned this numerous times in his previous videos that Britannic actually had the same compartments breach as Titanic ? She would survive on paper, but with her portholes opened, nothing could save the ship from certain doom. I thought this topic was indirectly covered by him previously for quite a few occasions 🤔

@niki75

3 жыл бұрын

@@belfast4893 That could very well be the case. But no, the damage to the Britannic wasnt quite the same as the Titanic. The iceberg damaged the forepeak, all three cargo holds, boiler room six and about 2ft into the coal bunker of room 5. Whereas the torpedo/mine I believe blew open the hull around BR 5 and 6, but this is me recalling out of memory. I will admit I've not studied the Britannic as extensively.

Great video as always! Another thing is even if the Californian couldn't actually hold all 2200+ people, they still would have both Titanic's lifeboats and the Californian's lifeboats. So worst case scenario is they just tie the lifeboats to the side of the Californian until the Carpathia and everyone else arrive.

@georgiabh13

3 жыл бұрын

💯

Great point Sam with the Queen Mary. I literally just saw that picture a few days ago and was so glad you mentioned that comparison. Amazing picture with troops shoulder to shoulder.

The saddest part of this is the conditions that night were perfect for an evacuation by lifeboat and save everyone. The still water would have been the best case scenario for rowing a lifeboat in the open ocean.

@TheWPhilosopher

Жыл бұрын

That's the irony. That very calm still sea is what helped cause the tragedy.

The wireless operator on Californian had just went to bed too. He was literally awake in bed as titanic was calling.. It’s also sad they were close enough to just see what was going on with the flares it’s not like it would have killed them. They thought it was a warning to stay away

@alainrobillard4300

3 жыл бұрын

Anyway, it is not clear if they could reach the Titanic soon enough to help. The reason that made the Californian stop was because there was so many ice around it that the crew was waiting the morning to be able to navigate in day light. So if they understood the distress of the Titanic, they would not have been able to reach her safely at full speed.

@Deevo037

3 жыл бұрын

@@alainrobillard4300 And yet the captain of Carpathia disregarded all of that and steamed at maximum possible speed to Titanic's aid. Californian's captain and crew really dropped the ball in this instance.

@alainrobillard4300

3 жыл бұрын

@@Deevo037 The Carpathia was not stuck in an ice field like the Californian was. images.app.goo.gl/oKQG9cz8tP3dv8Uw7

@Deevo037

3 жыл бұрын

@@alainrobillard4300 Neither was the Californian, they had simply stopped for the night as a precaution. In steaming to the aid of the Titanic the Carpathia risked the same ice field.

@DominionSorcerer

3 жыл бұрын

@@Deevo037 The Californian was surrounded by ice on all sides. The engines had been completely turned off. To even start moving again would take close to an hour to build up enough steam. Then they would have to navigate through all of the ice surrounding the Titanic. At best they might have arrived shortly after the Titanic's final plunge, likely too late to save most of the people in the water.

Wow, never knew lifeboats were essentially viewed that way back then! That explains why 16 lifeboats would be thought of as adequate for a vessel the size of the Olympic Class.

@MrT------5743

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the 4 collapsible lifeboats for a total of 20.

This will be an interesting video. Titanic officers didn't know they were really sinking for some time and if Californian came it would have taken time to navigate the ice fields. But also didn't someone make a bad sextant reading earlier in the day that put their position off.

@randomrazr

3 жыл бұрын

I actually have access to the most recent Marine Accident Investigation Branch report regarding the SS Californian's involvement in the disaster (published 1992), and it's an interesting read. It goes into some detail on the relative positions of both ships, and discusses at length how much the Californian's crew witnessed - whether they could see Titanic or any of her distress rockets - and the action (or rather, inaction) taken by Captain Lord. With regards to your question though, the concluding comments of the report discuss whether Californian would have been able to offer any real assistance if she had indeed offered help. I've transcribed the section below: If CALIFORNIAN saw the first rocket and took immediate action to head straight for it, and had quickly worked up to full speed (which would have taken several minutes) she would probably, given my minimum distance off of 17 miles, have reached the scene at just about the time of sinking. This however is unrealistic. No officer would take such action on seeing a single distant flash which might be a shooting star or even a visual aberration: such sights are quite common. More practically, if proper action had been taken as set out above, Captain Lord would have been on the Bridge at perhaps 0055 hrs and begun heading towards the rockets, but cautiously at first because of the ice for at that stage the urgency of the situation would not be known and it would be right for him to have regard for the safety of his own ship. Meanwhile, the Wireless Operator would have been called and would shortly receive TITANIC'S SOS with its incorrect position. This would have put Captain Lord in something of a quandary: probably he would have called TITANIC by wireless giving CALIFORNIAN'S position, saying what had been seen, and asking TITANIC to check her position. This would very likely have led to the error in dead reckoning being discovered, after which full speed would be made towards the correct position; but with the time lost CALIFORNIAN would arrive well after the sinking. It therefore seems clear that - if I am right as to the distance apart - the effect of CALIFORNIAN taking proper action would have been no more than to place on her the task actually carried out by CARPATHIA, that is the rescue of those who escaped. I do not think any reasonably probable action by Captain Lord could have led to a different outcome of the tragedy. So the conclusion from this report (and indeed the usual conclusion when discussed at any great length by historians) is that the conditions were simply too poor for Californian to make it to Titanic's position in time - and that's even if Captain Lord would have decided to risk his own ship in coming to Titanic's aid through dense sheet ice, had he been aware of her peril.

@TCR_710-Cap

3 жыл бұрын

@@randomrazr Many thanks for your lengthy and great explanation! I too wondered about how long it would take to steam up (some say steam power on Californian was shut down to a third of its maximum power for the night) and *safely* navigate through the ice. If I recall correctly, Eaton/Haas state in their "Destination Disaster" that it took more than an hour alone to just leave the ice field. Is this particular Marine Accident Investigation Branch Report publically available?

@markjensen7091

3 жыл бұрын

@@randomrazr Another factor to consider is Captain Lorde would also put at risk HIS VESSAL in trying to reach Titanic. Your assessment is correct in that they would simply replace Carpathia. I predict Californian would arrive just around the time of the last plunge, within that last minutes when it was the worst moment, or just after the plunge when the passengers were all in the water trying to kill each other due to fight or flight. BUT if they arrived just after the plunge, they could have save more folks from the water that were in the hyperthermic shock state but still alive. Why, they could have been pulling bodies out of the water and or checking for vitals.

Have you done a video on how a modern ship would fare in the titanic's scenario (suffered similar damage)

@Deevo037

3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't be hard, substitute rock for ice and you have the Costa Concordia. Basically the same scenario even if the conditions were much milder.

@mattep74

3 жыл бұрын

I was on a cruise ship in the baltic operated by the caribeean cruises 2010. The first day we had a drill to get to the life boats. I was the last one to arrive at the assigned spot as i was watching the world cup game Germany-England. The crew knew what to do and had trained. If no blackout and heavy list in a few minutes like the Estonia people would be able to get off.

@captainkuijt

3 жыл бұрын

@@Deevo037 Eh, I'm not sure if that's a good comparison. The Costa Concordia was beyond crippled immediately following the impact, as the enormous hole in the hull allowed seawater to flow directly into the engine room very quickly, leaving her without any propulsion nor emergency electric power. In addition she was very close to land, allowing the tide to carry her close enough to beach the ship. In Titanic's case, the engine room didn't flood until the very end. Also, the impact wasn't nearly as disastrous. An iceberg scraping a line across the hull on a modern ship would be far less disastrous than having a huge chunk of rock smash in a huge portion of the hull.

@jp-legal

3 жыл бұрын

@@captainkuijt You are so right. Significantly different circumstances: After be sliced open and drifting offshore the ship was pushed back on heavy rocks 80-100 meter from a small island. The water temperature was significantly higher than the ice cold water of the NA. The people onboard had mobile phone and where able to call the police who informed the coastal guards. Unfortunately before drifting offshore Capt. Schettino was called by coastal guards what is happening, although he knew then they will sink, he lied about "just a black out". After this call the ship drifted offshore. Fortunately the waves rammed it on the rocks where it resided til later. Normally a normal person can swin through 100 meters of the warm coastal waters of the Mediterranean Sea, but unfortunately there was no orientation in the night. Small island (50 people). 32 dead people against Titanics 1500. The Captain Schettino lied through his teeth and hindered so a faster evacuation with helicopters. Some people were stuck on this ship and needed assistance. In some cases a major from island had to come aboard to help them, because the crew alone was not able. Smith went down in this tragedy, but Schettino was the first to go... The crew was more disciplined on the Titanic... The crew on the CC was partly not able to understand the officers language: 1 of the reasons for this disaster and so on...

I've always wondered why people didn't tie deck chairs together or find other things they could use as rafts to float on if they couldn't get into a lifeboat. Could you do a video on what people could have used instead of a lifeboat? Or whether or not you think an improvised raft on a door or deck chairs would have worked?

@1993digifan

2 жыл бұрын

Likely because in life-and-death situations people are rarely able to think clearly enough to form a makeshift raft, and even then you have to consider them having enough rope to tie the material together, the buoyancy of the raft (that's why Jack couldn't share the door with Rose it lacked the buoyancy to hold the weight of two adults), if people would be of sound mind enough to put the lifebelts under to help keep them above the water as much as possible to keep the people out of the water so they don't freeze (Rose was mostly out of the water and she still almost froze to death, in real life people were wet in boats A and B so tragically people who did get into boats died).

@randomcommenter8137

11 ай бұрын

There was actually a scene of someone attempting to do that in A Night To Remember, I believe it happened after the every man for himself scene. It was a scene of a 3rd Class Stewart (I think) Using the rope from his lifevest to tie a bunch of chairs together but the raft quickly broke apart due to the rush of people

I'm more curious of what the effects would have been as far as reforms which happened as a result of the high-profile sinking because of the high loss of life. After all, in this alternate timeline where everyone is rescued and the ship sinks empty, it would, to the people involved, simply illustrate that the system worked as intended as far as the watertight bulkheads on the ship, the number of lifeboats being adequate, and that there would always be another ship nearby which could rescue people from a sinking ship, as well as ships just using wireless to send ice reports to each other instead of there being any kind of a specific ice patrol.

I love the what if videos! I wonder if they could've lowered the boats in time? With another ship present, maybe there would've been less hesitation for leaving the safety of the titanic. Also, word of the Californian being on the way would reach everyone early. There might be more urgency to make everyone aware since there would be less chance of panic. They would've utilized gangway doors a lot more. Not only using titanic's boats, but Californians.. Would've been easier for 3rd class passengers for sure! As for the capacity of the Californian, thats just how much room based on berths, not the actual capacity with people in public spaces and on deck. Very interesting

Then there's the question of how long it would have taken to row all the passengers from the Titanic in the oar-powered Titanic lifeboats which were little more than big row boats.

Thanks for these videos Sam! Love from the uk🇬🇧

Heres video idea, Could Titanic crew, like a warship, do damage control. Anything to slow the rate of water going into the ship. Wild idea, throwing canvas covers over the side and let the suction of the water entering in to pull the canvas to cover the holes.

@paulboger7377

3 жыл бұрын

They did have damage control. Unfortunately warships are constructed differently to commercial vessels, so the damage to the Titanic was fatal.

Seeing a new video of yours makes me smile. Thanks!

Fantastic video as always Sam.

But thank you to you for making this channel man I’m so glad I found it.

Hey Sam! Just wanted to say how interesting and educational are your videos about Titanic. I've been an enthusiastic on ship's history since i was 9 (I'm 22 years old now). Also, I'd like to do two suggestions of videos if i may: 1) Titanic crew staying in lower decks keeping power and main systems running throghtout sinking. 2) Lifeboats order of launch and details about that operation. Greetings from Argentina Ignacio.

Incredible video!! Keep up the good work Sam!!

I found your channel yesterday and I am obsessed... I’ve probably watched 15-20 videos already!

Love your videos! I've watched them all.

That explanation for why ships didn't carry enough lifeboats for all the passengers makes so much sense, and seems so obvious... I'm embarrassed that it never occurred to me. 😕

I was waiting for this what-if video was asking for a long time for this answers that question thank you

Hello, many thanks for your wonderful work on the history of the Titanic! I wrote a previous review about the possibility of slowing down the sinking of the Titanic by placing mattresses in front of the holes of Titanic's hull. Do you think it could have worked? More generally, I find it very interesting to look for all the possibilities that could have saved the Titanic, or at least increase the number of survivors. The ship was so large, with a great amount of miscellaneous items; I'm sure there are things that could have been done to reduce this disaster. Another example; why not making rafts with all the furniture inside the ship? And what about going in reverse to reduce the water pressure on Titanic's hull (and so, the speed of flooding) ?.. Of course, this is theoretical because now we know what exactly happened and have time to think it over, but it would be very interesting to explore the different options that you could have taken (with your current knowledge), if you had been captain of the Titanic on April 14, 1912 at 11:41 a.m., just after the collision. If you could make some videos on that topic, that would be very great ! :)

@smokesletsgo2374

2 жыл бұрын

The mattresses would have been blown away by the water pressure, water went into the ship at a rate of around 400 tons per minute. Plus by the time anyone knew there was a problem it would be near impossible to even access the holes, if you see the James Cameron film when the water comes in it's like a horizontal Niagara Falls coming in, and the crew members are swept up like they're not even there. So unfortunately the mattress theory would never work. As for the going backwards thing this is very likely to have happened, but only for a very brief time. Maybe a few minutes, before they realized the ship was f--ked no matter what

@bigships

7 ай бұрын

@@smokesletsgo2374he’s talking about putting the mattresses externally so they are sucked over the gash

This was a banger this one was one of my favorites a simple question with a interesting answer and entertaining video

I like your video's reeeeeeeee

@sawyermcknight1915

3 жыл бұрын

I like your videos too reeeeeeeee

@mark9294

Жыл бұрын

Profound

@manosvrouh9667

Жыл бұрын

Was that a reference to greek ?

I love your "What if" videos as well. Now, I can understand better why the Titanic had this limited number of lifeboats - beside of the fact that it is legal during their time. What happened to the RMS Republic may truly have influenced their judgement on the number of lifeboats. As always, insightful video. I am looking forward for the Costa Concordia video too.

As always... Great Video!

Great topic, ive thought about this myself. Nowadays all finnish ferries travel duo, with the competiting companys ferry lol, for the Estonian disaster proved to us that even distances within the baltic are too long to expect help to arrive on time before sunk.

@mattep74

3 жыл бұрын

I went on a cruise with a ferry in 2003. i had a cabin to the aft of the ship. I looked back and saw three ships in a row behind us. I remember that on my first cruise with a Viking line ship in the summer of 1992 i did not see another ship.

This makes perfect sense... those nearby ship wireless operators should have checked their radios every thirty minutes or so... especially during risky conditions, like ice...

@ssgus3682

3 жыл бұрын

It was one of the changes that came from the Titanic disaster. Today the communications room is manned 24/7. This change has saved countless lives since 1912. The passengers on the Titanic did not die in vain. Their loss led to changes that have saved lives.

@seven_hundred-seven_hundred

3 жыл бұрын

@@ssgus3682 Thank you.

Nice, I love all your vids

Really enjoy your videos.

Can't believe this channel is at 33k subs already 🥺 been here since 100 subs!

It's nice to see Sam's channel grow, I was one of the first 50 subscribers, good job on 33m @Sam

Another excellent,thinking vid. Thank you!😊

The modern day understanding of a lifeboat, and the usage to ferry, are both correct. Just to clarify. These boats were equipped with sails, food and water, compasses, etc. In Titanic situation, The builders generally had an understanding that, because of the watertight bulkheads, Titanic would, it’s seriously injured, have enough time to ferry passengers. But both purposes were well accepted in 1912.

Your videos are brilliant Sam😁👍

I really enjoy this channel

Great video I hope to see more soon

Read the Clive Cussler novel Valhalla Rising. It has a ship with over 2,000 people on board. The ship is deliberately set on fire, and all fire safety systems sabotaged. NUMA had a vessel nearby with Dirk Pitt on board. The NUMA employees manage to save pretty much all but a small number of passengers and crew. Mostly having to jettison numberous equipment. Other ships manage to arrive to transfer survivors over because the NUMA vessel was on the verge of sinking, between the mass of people on board, and being damaged in the process of saving people. Not to mention that there was a storm approaching that was making the water choppy.

Man you are pumping videos out like crazy! I’m not complaining by any means, just making sure you take time for some self care bro! Great stuff btw.

I’ve another thought - what if none of the nearby ships had picked up the Titanic’s distress calls before she foundered? What would’ve happened to the survivors in the boats? Would they have been able to navigate to safety or literally just wait and hope that a ship would find them eventually? When would someone have realised the Titanic had sunk?

@carlgharis7948

Жыл бұрын

I think a ship would of found them within 24/48 hours. Maybe even less then 12 hours. I've read accounts that for a month or so after titanic ships were running into bodies floating around in life jackets. That's the largely forgotten part. Ships were still going the same route. Ships with wireless heard what happened. And ships were on edge. I mean think about this.. you just got news that an iceberg took down the titanic you have a ship 1/2 the size you're going to be like oh wow this makes me consider what potential dangers my ship is up against. We'd better manover very carefully. And about 3 days after titanic another ship that had just got the news was on the same route. They started to run over bodies just like accidently running over somebody driving a car.

@bigships

7 ай бұрын

Olympic would likely have found them since she was sailing a similar route however it’s likely another ship would have found them first

Always enjoy your videos bud.

I love your videos. You should do one about the lost treasures of the Titanic. I think there were some paintings and such that went down with her.

Great video Sam.

Could you do a video on the SS Republic? This one was awesome btw along with your others.

cool lifeboat content good job Sam

I’m so excited for the Costa Concordia video

Great video

Hi, thanks for the video. It would have been interesting to go into how long it take to load each life boat and to unload etc to see how many people could have got off in that hour.

Thank you Sam

Hi Sam, I have heard that the crew of Titanic struggled to get passengers into the boats. I may be paraphrasing but I believe a crew member said "even if we had enough lifeboats, we never would have been able to fill them." Is this true and wouldn't this make things difficult even if the Californian came to the rescue?

@nathanbond8165

3 жыл бұрын

You have to remember this ship sank so fast that it sank in less time then it takes to watch the movie Titanic by James Cameron of the ship sinking also remember there wasn't enough time to get everyone off the ship even if they had enough lifeboats remember the ship broke into and sank as they were still trying to load the two front collapsible 16-foot lifeboats!!! and that's why those boats capsized one was capsized and the other one was swamped with water because it almost got sucked down with the ship as it went down, so there just wasn't enough time for another vessel to save the Titanic and there wouldn't even have been enough time to get everyone into a Lifeboat and off the ship even if they had enough lifeboats for everyone!!! because they didn't even fully discharged all of the lifeboats that she was provision with to begin with... that initial hour that it took the crew and Captain Smith to assess whether the ship was going to sink or not basically was the death warrant for hundreds of people as they wasted valuable time that they could never get back!!!

Wow I love it

I really love the black smudge on your finger you got while making the paper life boats >.

This is a very good video presentation. I had been wondering that over the last few weeks and then here you had a video that answered my question. Now I have a question for you. Have you done a video on people on the Titanic who received some type of a dream or an omen or a warning in some kind of a way not to get on the ship and because of it they didn't get on the ship. Also people who didn't make it on to the Titanic because something came up the last minute. Like they were running late and they missed leaving on the ship. Or something came up in their life at the very last minute. I would love to see a video presentation on this type of topic.

This was veryyy interesting!

Love the what if's

I think he's absolutely adorable.

Man! Looking at those pictures of those soldiers on the Queen Mary, could you imagine if you were the skipper of a German U-Boat and managed to hit it with a couple of torpedoes! *whistles*

Perhaps an idea for a 'what if ... ' video. What if the Titanic had enough lifeboats, such as the refitted Britannic and Olympic. Could the crew have launched them all? I wondered about this, since all life boats except one collapsable were launched during the actual sinking.

If another ship had arrived then White Star Line probably would of promoted the use of the Lifeboat ferry system even more until the case of the Britannic, Which had it had the same Lifeboat system as the Titanic probably would of lost more lives due to the limited lifeboats. (Britannic had more Lifeboats for the full complement as well as other mods from Titanic sinking) Another question to ask could be, Had they proceeded with the planned Lifeboat drills for that day instead of cancelling it for Sunday Services, More people definatly would of been saved as they would of been more familiar with how many people they could load into a boat.

Great videos. Really enjoy them. But, you should really use a microphone when you're in front of the camera. Or a better one, if you're already using one. Cheers

your the best titanic historian ❤🚢

Wow....fascinating !! 🙂

Speaking of Queen Mary, you showed do a video about the Queen Mary-Curocoa collision in 1942 where the Queen Mary inadvertently sunk its escort ship, taking over 300 of the Curocoa's crew down with her.

Love your videos! One thing that I thought you would mention is the time factor. Do you think that there would have actually been enough time for the crew and passengers to make this happen? I believe that even if the Titanic had had more lifeboats many would still have died as the ship was sinking too rapidly. What are your thoughts?

Couple of issues with your theory, first the Queen Mary was refitted as a troop transport ship during the war, and the refit enabled the ship to handle that many troops on it, so it was not over capacity (the pictures probably taken when leaving or arriving at port, as there is no way they would have stayed out on deck cramped like that during the entire Atlantic crossing). We are also talking about a small ship that is already likely loaded to capacity with cargo and passengers, and would be very hard pressed to fit that many people on it. I also think that it would have been very difficult to ferry many the people off, mostly because of the lack of time, and the rate they could offload passengers (especially considering returning ships to the titanic would probably have to be winched back up during the early phases. They were barely had enough time to deploy most of the lifeboats before they sank.

Not enough time. I think the only practical way would be for the rescue ship to pull along side the T, secure the ships with ropes and just start pushing them onto the rescue ship. Some improvised "bridge" could have been laid across the decks to get them moved ASAP.

I was going to ask you to do a video on this topic but you beat me to it. LOL!!! :) But i'll add a couple of thoughts. A: the titanic was sinking at a tilt so it would have made transfer of passengers and crew more difficult and they would have been working against time. B if they didn't have room on the californian, the remainder could have stayed on the lifeboats till the Carpathia came as you said.

Hi thanks for this one can you do a video on the republic some time

completely unrelated again but my like is 1,600 th like lol and btw its so fun watching ur videos sam bestie

Thank you for your videos and sharing your knowledge. I do have a question, whether it’s a stupid one or not. Are any of the survivors from the Titanic their own children still alive? Or any relatives directly related to them alive to this day?

@trevorbluesquirrel899

3 жыл бұрын

No survivors, but children, grandchildren, and other relatives, yes!

Love your videos - you have a very appealing delivery and personality! I’m a little obsessed with the iceberg - especially Bernice Palmers (?) pictures from Carpathia. What is your opinion? Do we have a picture of the likely berg?

@trevorbluesquirrel899

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, a berg with red paint was seen and photographed the morning after the sinking, thought to be the berg that sunk Titanic!

I got some ideas for future videos; the HMS Victoria (vertical shipwreck), Herald of Free Enterprise, MV Derbyshire, Sultana (post Civil War riverboat tragedy with a higher death toll than Titanic), Hans Hedtoft (Danish Titanic). I think that they're interesting, and that other people would find them interesting.

If there was another ship there, whether it was the Californian or Carpathia, how long would it have taken to evacuate everyone off of the Titanic? Would they have been able to do that before she went under? Because it took them almost 2 hours to launch the boats the Titanic had. And is there anything the crew could have possibly done to slow the sinking long enough for the Carpathia to arrive? I know in a previous video you talked about how keeping the engines running forced water in faster, as well as obviously the gangway door being open allowed more water in and without those it might've taken longer for the ship to sink. And what if they had changed the orders given when the iceberg was spotted, like keeping the engines full steam ahead to give her better turning power, could that have caused less damage and given them more time or even allowed them to miss the iceberg altogether?

Some things I want to point out: 1. The Californian was rated to carry 47 passengers, in addition to 56 crew, which includes the captain. So, 109 people altogether. It carried no passengers on this particular voyage, so it had been provisioned with just enough food for the crew. 2. Ferrying passengers by lifeboat is a time consuming process. With the Andrea Doria sinking in 1956, all were saved, except those in the direct line of collision. But it took all night to accomplish this, even though there was another ship immediately at the scene assisting (Stockholm). The Andrea Doria took 11 hours to sink, which helped. This was time the Titanic didn't have. 3. For the Californian to have used its own 6 lifeboats to help, they'd need men to crew each boat, plus more to work the davits and haul survivors aboard. Several of the crew were not trained seaman. This would have left insufficient crewmen aboard Californian to attend to essential routine duties. 3. Carpathia would have arrived while most lifeboats were still in the water. All the survivors would have needed to go to Carpathia in any case because it had enough room and food to accommodate the survivors, plus it had 3 doctors aboard to care for the survivors, while Californian had none. 4. Comparing Californian to Queen Mary's role in WWII is apples to oranges. QM was altered to carry this many people and, more importantly, provisioned in advance to feed that many people. In conclusion, I believe few, if any, more people could have been saved. This is for one central reason: time, which Titanic didn't have enough of. For more info, please refer to the article "The Californian Incident: A Reality Check", which I co-authored with Michael Standart and Captain Erik Wood on Encyclopedia Titanica.

@liquidsnake6879

Жыл бұрын

1. If they'd awakened the wireless operator they would've known that Carpathia was on it's way, so you don't need to feed anyone, you just need to wait until the Carpathia and eventually others arrive on the scene. 2. Say the Californian arrives on time takes 30 minutes to get to the Titanic, there's about 2 hours maybe to until it sinks, in 30 minutes all of the Titanic's lifeboats would've been cleared and would be rowing back to the Titanic, in the meantime the Californian's officers would've put out their own lifeboats in addition to the Titanic's it would be a big operation but in an hour and a half filling every lifeboat to full capacity you could pull everyone out. 3. In an emergency situation there are no other routine duties to be carried out, the Californian would be stopped alongside the Titanic, all it's crew would be directed towards the rescue operation, there is nothing else to do at this point until the rescue is complete. And you only really need 3 men per vessel so some 18 men out of a crew of 56 is not a big loss especially when it's just temporary. 4. The question is whether a ship can stay afloat with such overcrowding, it can, people have run the math and determined that the Californian would've stayed well buyoant regardless of the extra weight of titanic's survivors, especially because the sea was calm. ddition to the Titanic's it would be a big operation but in an hour and a half filling every lifeboat to full capacity you could pull everyone out. Thing you might argue correctly regarding point 2 is that nobody knows for sure how far the Californian was from the Titanic, the estimates range wildly from the 6 miles determined by the inquiries to 19 miles claimed by Stanley Lord himself. If you put that in the middle say 12 miles, it would've taken the Californian, at top speed, an hour to reach the Titanic, they would've gotten there at around 1:30 let's say Titanic time, less than an hour before the ship sank. And this is presuming everything went perfect and doesn't account for the lag to figure out that the Titanic is in distress and awakening the wireless operator to find out what's going on. At most then the Californian could've done the Carpathia's job and rescued the people in the lifeboats, little more.

i always imagine carpathia flying through the water and hiting titanic right in the middle

I remember requesting this idea 😌😄

Another example the mv goya, one of the worst shipwrecks ever, was a small cargo ship like the Californian with the capacity for 180 and it had roughly 6-8000 passengers crammed in. Also I would assume the California’s crew would throw cargo overboard if necessary to Crete room.

But you technically wouldn’t have needed to get all 2200 people onboard Just 1500, the last 700 off the Titanic (the equivalent of the number of survivors in reality) could remain in the lifeboats alongside the Californian until the Carpathia arrived

Yes, they could put about 15.000 people on the Queen Mary. But they had time to prepare the QM for this job, i.e. by basically ripping out everything not needed (suites, recreational facilities, walls, etc.) and just putting in rows upon rows upon rows of bunk beds, hammocks and so on. The Californian was NOT prepared in any way, shape or form to handle over 2.000 additional people onboard, even for a short time. Technically we could also get over 200 people in our house if everyone stands really close together and all the furniture is removed. It can be done in a pinch, but certainly not for 3-4 days. Because that's how long the Carpathia took to reach New York to disembark the Titanic's survivors.

You could do a video on the wheel above the aft deck and how it was used.

Even if the Californian, the nearest vessel, had arrived shortly after receiving Titanic's first distress call, they would only have less than two hours to rescue the people. Not enough time. Also remember that the Titanic was listing, and the stern section was rising higher out of the water - which would have made loading the lifeboats more problematic. Yes, the Californian could have saved more people, but not everybody.

SAM I LIKE YOUR FILM ABOUT TITANIC

Yet again, it kind of makes sense how they wanted to use the lifeboats, certainly for 1912 standards. So they did not just want to save money but they had a halfways sound reason to do it the way they did it. Maybe comparable to how early on, people thought seatbelts were bad because they keep you in the wreck instead of "ejecting you to safety", until data and research proved otherwise.

Another gem 👋