Not too happy with this video since it turned out so similar to my Soviets invaded China scenario, yet I hope you still enjoy it. To support the content leave a like and a comment, and subscribe for more.

@thegreatestoctopus9739

Жыл бұрын

I very much enjoyed it friend, great video, as always

@TheEmperorYTP

Жыл бұрын

16:42 insert rammstein song here

@y.r._

10 ай бұрын

Where exactly did that video go to? I can't find it anymore for some reason...

@cobyndias3793

10 ай бұрын

@@y.r._same

“We do a little trolling” - Soviet Union and United States

@The_whales

Жыл бұрын

Don’t worry it’s just a little bit of trolling right? :) -usa towards the ussr

@TVmantitan779

Жыл бұрын

China: NOOOOOOOOO

@moedictatornoriega8475

Жыл бұрын

@@Ivan-pw3sn USSR after 1day: failed

@moedictatornoriega8475

Жыл бұрын

China: we do a little trolling

@Ivan-pw3sn

Жыл бұрын

@@moedictatornoriega8475 never

Id love to see the Scenario "What if the Revolution of 1848 succeded at uniting Germany", this is one of my favorite Scenarios and i think it would be incredibly interesting for you to cover

@BelugaTheHutt

Жыл бұрын

I see two elements which really got in the way of a unifying push, at least one of which would need to be adjusted, but probably both: 1. Schwarzenburg's leadership of Austria during this crisis was masterful. His adept pragmatism, ruthless prioritization of resource expenditure, and his decision to indebt the empire to Russia for its intervention to assist with the Hungarian breakaway were all proven to be ultimately wise decisions for the Austrian state. They were not always popular decisions in the Austrian political establishment, so it is easy to imagine very different decisions being made at multiple points in the process, and the crisis having a far greater negative effect on Austria than it had in our timeline. Austria also got a bit lucky with having the right military commanders in the right places to be able to fight Piedmont-Savoy to a standstill and then later to a victory, therefore retaining the wealthiest parts of their empire for another decade and a half. Austria prioritized holding their wealthy Italian lands in a huge, stubborn gamble, and it paid off. In a scenario in which the Austrian empire collapses more aggressively, thus leaving a more substantial power vacuum in central Europe, Prussia may have given far greater priority to stepping in and taking a leading role in guiding the pan-Germanic elements of the revolution, as the risk vs reward equation would've been greatly shifted in the event of an Austrian collapse. 2. Friedrich William was too much of a romanticist and a legitimist to accede to his otherwise-strong pan-Germanic sympathies. His later attempts to create a united Germany in 1849 and 1850 were characterized by very limited concessions to liberals and to the non-landed classes, especially the latter Erfurt Union effort in 1850. The Erfurt Union MIGHT have gone through effectively if Austria had collapsed completely, as hinted at in point 1. But I don't think that it would've been any sort of liberal dream in the spirit of 1848. Instead, I think that we need to assume both an Austrian collapse AND another party to take the offered crown of the Frankfurt Parliament. The obvious choice would be Friedrich William's younger brother Wilhelm, the later eventual Prussian king and German emperor. How do we do this? We make Friedrich William suffer that same debilitating stroke which he suffered in 1857 in our timeline just over 8 years earlier, in early-to-mid 1849, while the Prussian king was still being offered the crown of Emperor of the Germans. A collapsed Austria can do nothing to oppose an 1849 coronation of Emperor Wilhelm, leaving just Russia and the significantly-less-invested and just-as-distracted France to offer and serious opposition. I don't see any Russian or French threats of war being actually carried out, without the legitimization of a consenting and participating Austrian state to lead the legitimizing resistance to German unification. Venetia-Lombardy is taken by Italy, who obviously doesn't oppose the German unification, Galicia is likely ceded to Russia to mollify them, claims to Hungarian lands declaring independence are sworn off, and this leaves a Prussian-led Germany with possibly a hybrid political arrangement, in which German, Czech, and Slovenian lands outside of Prussia are organized in a manner reminiscent of a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system, and directly-controlled Prussian lands remain largely unchanged, with the same highly conservative, aristocratic social and political order in the larger East, and lands in the West chafing under the repressive Prussian system, and wanting to join their neighboring German regions in operating under a more liberal, representative system.

@Leo-ok3uj

6 ай бұрын

No real way of happening, it would have got every single country in europe in a panick of another Napoleonic wars and Russia, UK and France (once this one calms down) would had interfered to return to the status quo, the king didn’t rejected it for being a romantic, he rejected it because he knew what would happen if he accepted

@JDDC-tq7qm

4 ай бұрын

​@@Leo-ok3ujif Russia,France and UK stepped in Germany is screwed

@Leo-ok3uj

4 ай бұрын

@@JDDC-tq7qm Exactly, if 3 great powers fight all at once against 1 great power they will win

Joint soviet-american military concepts are so interesting to me

@SkibidiPalestine

2 ай бұрын

This needs to be a Call of Duty storyline

@Mrmidknight-yx9pg

2 ай бұрын

Technically ww2 was soviet-american collaboration

What if Taiwan invaded China during the Korean War? (What if Project National Glory happened?)

@cerealkellah3947

Жыл бұрын

Taiwan would be considered the Republic of China then. And ironically the people in Taiwan who support formally changing the name from ROC to The Republic of Taiwan right now would be considered leftwing sympathizers by the KMT in the 50s.

@juangarcia1207

Жыл бұрын

Tiwan would have to use there full might and even then I might not be possible with out us help

@lmaousack2993

Жыл бұрын

Taiwan wouldn't be able to get American support, as china signed a treaty stating they would cease fire on Taiwan, but America would have to stop supplying Taiwan or supporting it's deas of reclaiming the mainland

@sgtreznov9869

Жыл бұрын

the kuomitang would be smash again

@lmaousack2993

Жыл бұрын

@@sgtreznov9869 smashed HARD

we do a little bit of trolling

@possiblehistory

Жыл бұрын

- Kennedy and Khrushchev, probably

If anything, this scenario might hasten the collapse of the Soviet Union due to the immense cost of invading China. It's impossible to understate the cost in manpower and material such an invasion would inflict on the Soviet's lukewarm economy. Plus, maintaining such a large, populous country as a puppet state would continue to drain their resources even further. I could see this scenario collapsing the Soviets 15+ years earlier than our timeline.

@mastersafari5349

8 ай бұрын

It depends on how the actual invasion would go on. After all Khruschev's USSR was a far less inhumane system than Maoist PRC. I doubt that Chinese people had that good of an opinion of Mao in 1960s. Especially since 1963 was just 2 years after "the Great leap" and consequent famine. If Soviets play their cards right and and make some allies in Chinese Communist party that are in favour of "a Soviet style of socialism" they might actually gain support from local population and play the whole thing not as blatant invasion but as a struggle against Mao's tyranical regime.

13:34 I reckon relations between russia and china would be a lot worse 15:36 Europe would be a lot more militarized and self guided •And Russia and china would be poorer with russia having a smaller population

@thermslusitania1151

Жыл бұрын

And if the Russian Ukrainian War still happens and I'm confident it will the Russian Federation May surrender considering his main Ally as China and live out a Chinese Ally and was trying to being weak sanctions will be a lot more effective so

@1mol831

Жыл бұрын

China would actually benefit. It’s demographics would be much more healthy. USA is going to turn into a normal country because there’s now no enemy to rally against. Everyone benefits it seems, but the Chinese now hate the Russians and might attack Russia as revenge eventually when Russia becomes weak.

@SteveOmnipotent

Жыл бұрын

How would the Russian population be smaller?

@mastersafari5349

8 ай бұрын

@@thermslusitania1151 I doubt that a full invasion of Ukraine is possible in this scenario. If a political crisis still happens in Ukraine then Crimea could be annexed by Russia and there's maybe a local conflict in Donbass but a full scale invasion is less likely because without strong China the US would be an uncontested world hegemon both militarilly and economically. For Russia to invade in this timeline there needs to be some third power that could tip the balance in Kremlins favour by just being an adversary for Americans. So unless, in this timeline, somehow India is both more capable and more hostile to the US than IRL then Russia wouldn't dare to invade.

@JDDC-tq7qm

4 ай бұрын

​@@mastersafari5349lol Russia would still have nukes which automatically puts USA on a tight spot regardless Russia would still invade but I think they would settle for Crimea and the areas in Lugansk and Donestk

I hate to say it, but the US and Soviets teamingn together would just be gg for the entirety of anything humanity could muster. TWO superpowers is better than one.

@tritium1998

8 ай бұрын

So why didn't you team up with the Soviets if they were better for you?

@manipulatortrash

8 ай бұрын

@@tritium1998 i didnt say they were "better" for me. all i was commenting on was that two superpowers teaming up together is just monstrous. Whether you think the US or Soviets were stronger than the other, they were at least on similar grounds in terms of power.

@idiot-yw5oq

5 ай бұрын

@@tritium1998 2 differing ideologies isnt a good mixture for a alliance

@Khajiidaro

4 ай бұрын

@@idiot-yw5oq It works in the short term when both powers fear a small power becoming another rival who is unaligned with either. In the long term they'd be at each other's throats waiting for the right moment to strike, which has happened all throughout history.

@floof6896

2 ай бұрын

@@tritium1998 they did team up in ww2 lmao. what on earth are you talking about? "but theyre not allies after that!!!" exactly. ask yourself why that happened..

Man, this was released one day after my birthday, I guess this is a great late birthday present

@possiblehistory

Жыл бұрын

(Late) Happy Birthday!

@Alex-yy5wo

Жыл бұрын

@@possiblehistory thanks

I think it would be cool to see a scenario where Argentina becomes a power. At one point, they had a larger economy than the US, and Europe saw them as poised to be the power in the West! It would be cool to see this world where their existence may undermine the Monroe Doctrine, or any other things you can think of. Cheers!

@IronMar1O

Жыл бұрын

... Argentina?

@bobbyuuu1238

Жыл бұрын

Fake as hell, lmao, nice alternate-reality Moonshine...

@mrjaman3752

Жыл бұрын

Uh, no, cope harder

@moonshinei

Жыл бұрын

@@mrjaman3752 I’ll take any South American nation becoming a dominant power. Although, Colombia is overdone so I’m going for the next best thing…

@christianwagschal7969

Жыл бұрын

I agree its interesting but I think the reason people are negating is because you slightly screwed up the facts, their economy was bigger than italy’s and they had a higher gdp per capita than America, but their economy was never bigger than the American one unless we go back to colonial days.

What about "What if Scandinavia united before 2nd Schleswig war?" video? I have heard somewhere that it was considered by Sweden-Norway and Denmark and it would have happened by Danish king giving up his Danish throne to move to rule over the Duchy of Schleswig-Holstein of which he was duke. That would have prevented 2nd Schleswig war which peace deal lead to Prussian-Austrian war, so it would have somewhat altered German unification, with possible alteration of Finnish and Karelian fate during Russian civil war if european history remained unaffected by these changes in Scandinavia.

America wanted to do a bit of trolling

Taiwan takes Hainan as compensation for getting blueballed

South Africa is a good example of the Russians and Americans teaming up to keep the Cold War bipolar

@goodpol5022

8 ай бұрын

What happened in SA?

@GMDGeojumper2011-bl8sx

8 ай бұрын

SA developed nukes

@goodpol5022

8 ай бұрын

@@GMDGeojumper2011-bl8sx And how did the US and USSR intervene?

@Pepo24

7 ай бұрын

​@@goodpol5022I think Soviets warned the US about possible preparations for a nuclear test by South Africa, and the US had a spy plane that confirmed the existence of the place

@bloomgaming6480

7 ай бұрын

@@goodpol5022 they told them to please stop

Balanced, as all things should be.

Great video as always you are one of the best if not the best alternate history KZreadr, could you do a what if byzantine survived to the modern day, idk what you want to do, no 4th crusade/didn't get diverted, manzikirt (but that has been done to death) christians win at the battle of varna, our some other way they survive. Our what if basil the 2nd had a child! An interesting what if that I saw no one had done on KZread is what if the Russian succeeded at reforming the byzantines with the Greek plan. But anyways those are just subjections am always excited for you new videos!

"Do you see why I didn't hand you control over the mainland on a silver platter back then? Now, you can take it yourself and the people will thank you for it!" - USA to Taiwan after Soviet!China crashes

soviet union and commie china are shown as besties during the cold war but actully they were more closed to a war with each other than with the united states lol

@blueciffer1653

2 ай бұрын

huh? Sino-Soviet Split????

that thumbnail is perfection

Us and Ussr: “Teehee”

US ITTL: Hey, let's do an Iraq with China but 70x worse and with the Soviets. USSR ITTL: Why did you bring up Iraq? US ITTL: I... I don't know.

@1mol831

Жыл бұрын

Big Afghanistan go boom. Assuming US spends 70x 4 trillion to control China, that would be 280 trillion dollars. US dollar is going to crash.

@DinoRicky

9 ай бұрын

The US is having visions of the future!!!

@concept5631

9 ай бұрын

@@DinoRicky Indeed

-1 million social credit points

I’d say if this were to happen, the end would look probably like southern China is reunited with taiwan, Tibet becomes independent, then Manchuria and Turkistan become under Soviet influence

@tritium1998

8 ай бұрын

Why would Tibet become independent out of all those other regions? Manchuria and Xinjiang have even more Chinese people.

With the right ppl in power working together something like this could have begun work towards a framework for a type of cooperative world government (in so much as the two superpowers would jointly dictate to the rest of the world's nations), but more likely it would have ended very badly since the right ppl are so so rarely where you need them.

Could you do a if the Ludendorff offensive of 1918 succeeded and took paris

@thegreatestoctopus9739

Жыл бұрын

That is actually pretty cool and interesting to think about

Love the use of rage comics

@TheEmperorYTP

Жыл бұрын

W comment

Thanks for doing this one for my birthday.

There was another idea Kennedy was in secret talks with the Soviets about that would have had a huge effect on history. A joint mission to the moon. That would have been interesting to see.

Awesome as always!

I've been forgetting to watch this for half a year

Do a *"What if Ros Perot won the Election"* scenario next pls.

Another nice question: What if the French invasion of the Netherlands in 1795 never happened ? How would the Republic have developed further ? Would it still have collapsed ?

15:57 "America wouldn't support American military action into the Middle East or Asia." :D

@normanclatcher

Жыл бұрын

Iraq: **happy Baghdad noises** 🥳

@moedictatornoriega8475

Жыл бұрын

@@normanclatcher war voided hooray

I really liked this video!

Me and the boys following Possible Hostory into battle against the KZread algorithm:

Yay you used my thumbnail suggestion

@possiblehistory

Жыл бұрын

Kinda had to, don't have anything else to use and am still at work

@possiblehistory

Жыл бұрын

But also its kinda my usual style and its my usual format, so I love it

The picture at 14:05 has funny lighting with little shadows

i will love to see the videos in this what if,

I'm surprised that the USSR didn't try to enlarge Mongolia with inner Mongolia. I also expect Western Europe would feel less secure for the USSR controlling China. In practically I'd figure it's possible that the USSR might need to focus more of its military in China to keep control. Let alone any potential money wasted by the USSR to try to industrialize China. I'm wondering if USSR goes broke sooner if they push to try to develop China alone.

@1mol831

Жыл бұрын

USSR might just end up collapsing early… India would get its claims back, Tibet is released. China and India become natural economic partners, with similar economic sizes and demographics or maybe even political system. Meanwhile Russia due to collapsing early and USA being more distant to Europe might end up joining the EU. Now USA has to compete with an EU which contains literally all of Europe and now larger that of USA in terms of economic size and is much more self sufficient. The Euro becomes the alternate global currency, US dollar is weakened. Meanwhile China and India basically just grows slowly like current timeline while ASEAN is slightly richer. Now Europe(led by France, germany and UK) and USA compete in influence in Africa while Asian alliance between India China and ASEAN emerge as the third block gradually. Conclusion: Europe benefits in economy and stability, Asia benefits in terms of stability but not economy, Africa gets to play both sides (Europe and North America), and gains economically, Latin America continues being Latin America, North America loses economically due to USD sharing global currency status with the Euro.

@chickenperson7568

Жыл бұрын

Inner Mongolia is not Mongolian. Also that would then instantly alienate their puppet.

@NguyenTran-mf9gj

4 ай бұрын

LOL. As if China allow the USSR enlarge Mongolia with Inner Mongolia 🤣🤣 China is not a puppet state like Eastern Europe so they won't tolarate the USSR rule over them.

@jackhardy3905

2 ай бұрын

​@@chickenperson7568 Yes it is its called inner Mongolia for a reason

the thunbnail is legendary

I like the Starwars Music in the background

[EDIT] Nope, the POD for that scenario is just after WW II in the late 40's. I'll have to go look at the scenario again, but how do you think that this scenario would be incorporated with the fan scenario of the two Chinas a few months prior to this?

Beautiful thumbnail

It would hilarious and tremendously disaster for China if this happen in real event

@thermslusitania1151

Жыл бұрын

Not only that I doubt the Russian Ukrainian war would happen because Russia only allies right now is Belarus in China which is enough but with this China what have a hatred of Russia and be too weak to do anything worthwhile

@vallikescrackers-28

Жыл бұрын

That's why I just hope it never happens

@quyenluong3705

2 ай бұрын

@@vallikescrackers-28it didn’t happened because they couldn’t make it happen. So it won’t happen.

To add to this video, the EU if it still exists in this universe would become more of a trade rival to the USA much like it was in our time line before Russia chose to be Russia and before China started to put people into camps. The EU would still be an ally to the USA but relations would be more thin.

Sounds pretty good ngl

I highly doubt the USA wouldn't at least demand a corner of South East China to look like they did something to aid Taiwan, and since it would protect Vietnam from counter attack.

Did you remove your "what if the soviets invaded china" video? I can't find it anymore...

One struggle moment

This would be a good setting for a RTS game tbh.

what if kennedy saw that china started atomic testing and in a speech he just said "bruh 💀 lmao:"

This would probably be the greatest troll in all of history

Wait, can someone please give me a link or something on 0:05?

The rise of China was in many ways demographical and not political. Resources, people, agriculture and industry converged. If China was not isolated and was a Soviet-aligned state, of course, COMECON would rise. For the control of Chinese economy, OGAS would be not abandoned and would be fully developed. Overall it will be very interesting scenario.

@shaaravguha3760

Жыл бұрын

The soviet union was always reluctant when it came to exporting their industry to warsaw pact members while NATO was more than happy to do so. That is the biggest difference between the two and would eventually lead to China not being developed properly since the Warsaw pacts other members didn't have the capital and the soviets didn't want to invest. Additionally there's no way the Soviets would allow nato investment in China as they've also always blocked that when it came to other warsaw pact members so that's not possible either. In short, no, China would not have the same rise.

@Emilechen

Жыл бұрын

for several thousands years, China keeps rising again and again after each fall, when most other great empires fall definitely, of course it is not just because fo the demography, but China has a great strategy, so even when they are weak.and divided, they managed to return the situation in their favor, defeat their adversary by wisdom than by force,

@shaaravguha3760

Жыл бұрын

@@Emilechen So their constant rise is not becasue they've always historically had the largest populations and along with india the largest economy?

@Emilechen

Жыл бұрын

@@shaaravguha3760 China has largest population because they are able to reunify the core province of China again and again, if theses province remain independant, these Chinese provinces are not much populated than the European with same size, many empire in History are big because they conquer outside territory, but unbale to unify the core lands of their civilizations, such as Russia has Siberia but unable to reunify East Slavic peoples, Russia can't even build a free trade zone in East Europe, Germany loses Prussia, Greece loses Constantinpole, Arba world remain divided, Indian situation is better, but it loses definitely Indus core land, thi region even become Muslim Pakistan, adversary of Hindu civilization, Inner Mongolia has much morr population than Mongolia Republic but theu lose it, Chinese core lands such as Shaanxi, Henan, Hebei, Jiangsu... even theu are political divided, they have never been culturally, ethnically or religiously divided, they can be conquered by force outside, but once these Chinese cores lands are free, they will be reunited again and again, but China strength comes from unification, not really from conquest,

@shaaravguha3760

Жыл бұрын

@@Emilechen That's complete bs... China has the largest population because they have the most fertile farmland out of any civilisation. (even today they have the most while south asia has the richest farmland which you can see in their populations)

at what point in history did the global reaction to conquering a country just because you can switch from pride and glory for the conqueror to public outrage and shock? always wanted to ask a history nut 🥴

@Dara-up1pt

Жыл бұрын

I think it has partially if not entirely to do with religion and patriotism. For religious types, look at places the middle east and how they still are very proud of their religion, and see it as something that ensures their victory.. And for patriotism/love of your empire, you have things like manifest destiny or mandate of heaven, where you tell enough people "this is ok bc it's our destiny" and they believe it. People nowadays imo are way smarter and can see through nonsense and aren't willing to throw their life away for some dying old man in a chair that wants to be immortalized in history books in the name of 'conquest' or 'destiny'

Very interesting

It's crazy to see Canada in 6th place of anything involving the military considering our current position.

Fun fact in the late 1960s the USSR under Brezhnev approached the US with the proposal that they launched a pre-emptive nuclear strike to wipe China off the face of the map (the USSR was fighting an undeclared border war with China at the time and was on the brink of all out war with them). This time the Americans were uninterested and chose instead to establish diplomatic relations with China.

alternate title general grevous and count dooku vs jedi guard

I believe you missed an important point of the indian and Pakistani nuclear programs. If this did happen, it would create a precedent of intervention that may stop their programs hence leading to conflict.

I wonder if they were planning something similar when they found out sweden were capable of creating its own nuclear weapons, in the late 1950's.

Good channel

This is some Command & Conquer shit right here! 😄 Though I wonder whether it is more of a Generals or a Red Alert.

If this happened do you think it would make North Korea less likely to create their own nuclear weapons

Looks like the boys Didn’t had enough fun in Afghanistan and Vietnam yet

As a Mandarin, I would rather see Republic of China return to the mainland rather than being trolled by two big superpower.

the troll face fits so well

Is the background music from Predator?

Most bad in our history we had comming to us from the West, not from China. Actually we snapped Manchuria from China, but they 'repayed' back by alligning with the Americans and helped to crush the USSR economically, so we are even with the Chinese now and should be natural friends. The Americans on the other hand have 30+ years of repairing of relations with Russia ahead of them and even that would probably never put them back to the 1990's level of trust that we had toward them.

If this had happened, red alert would be very different

ALGORITHM LETS GOOOOO

the ultimate trolling strategy

Ok that’s would be funny and cool but sad at the same time

The worst thing is that this almost happened

If they won, one of them may betray each other because they aren't really friends

@Vitorruy1

Жыл бұрын

you dont need friendship when both sides have nukes

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The preferable timeline

Now another question is, would Britain still hand over Hong Kong back and would Portugal still do the same for Macau?

What if the Cold War was 3 way (WWII ends in a stalemate)

We do a little bit of trolling

as trump once said "we do a little trolling, its called a little trolling."

Infinite manpower vs eternal supply of manpower vs overpowered Air Force and navy.

Definitely better timeline

@quyenluong3705

2 ай бұрын

Better for who? The west? Not for the Chinese..so stop being selfish.

I think a more realistic outcome is that they’d both invade and split China

@quyenluong3705

2 ай бұрын

And then they revolt. Ussr collapsed quicker. Ussr wasnt stupid

@LeakyTrees

2 ай бұрын

@@quyenluong3705 The USSR called itself communist during a time where the worst thing a government could do for their security as a sovereign entity is call themselves communist, even thought it was anything but communist. The USSR spent money it really couldn’t afford to spend investing in crazy projects I had no possibility of finishing in the attempts to counteract projects that were so unrealistic it was stupid just because they were made by the United States. The USSR was very stupid. Conquering territory full of people that would hate them and revolt is absolutely something the USSR would do.

Honestly this timeline is preferable to our own as it shortens the Cold War by expending a ton of resources both materially and politically by the Soviets. Finally creates a winnable solution to Vietnam which completely changes American politics both home and abroad. Last but not least a joint venture would further diplomatic relations between the two super powers if agreements were kept until the eventual fall of the USSR. Nuclear disarmament would happen more than in our timeline with a Sino-Soviet split as the Chinese wouldn’t be a threat. North Korea would still be a pit of misery however if the Soviets won decisively in China, Kim Il Sung might behave more in line with Moscow or even Moscow might be emboldened to replace him as need be by a less autocratic ruler more in step with Khrushchev. Africa and Latin America may still wild cards though with better diplomatic relations and not wanting to risk antagonizing the US, the Cuba missile crisis most likely doesn’t happen as Moscow doesn’t send missiles to Cuba though there still is a request by the Soviets to prevent the US from invading Cuba ever. In the end, I think most of or all of the world is better off in this alternate timeline.

What if Lenin lived longer? Maybe up to 1935?

@danieldubrovin8813

Жыл бұрын

So he would have had to never had those strokes then

Soviet Manpower with American Production and logistics is crazy to think about

(JASA = Joint American-Soviet Army) JASA: Stop trying to make nukes China... PRC: Make me fatass *JASA vibe checks PRC so hard they go Kruchevian*

Where's the Link to "What if the Soviet Union Invaded China"?

8:41 DF HAPPENED TO SALVADOR-

I think you skipped over the fact that Taiwan would continue to have China's seat on the UN Security Council, as the US, UK and France will not want the USSR to suddenly have two votes to themselves. Taiwan will also probably seek to reassert itself in the mainland after the fall of the Soviet-puppet regime. Hong Kong and Macau will also remain European colonies, as the negotiations for those came after this Point of Departure (POD). Unless, of course, Taiwan negotiates to have them returned to them and lends themselves more legitimacy as the rightful Chinese government. I doubt Taiwan could pursue this militarily, as this post-Communist China will still have mountains of Soviet-era military equipment lying around, but perhaps financially and through supporting pro-Taiwan political parties on the mainland.

@quyenluong3705

2 ай бұрын

It’s not Taiwan. It’s Republic of China.

What about a splitting of China into a North and South Chinese state following the invasion, like Korea and Germany? Place KMT in South China with a capital in Nanjing, and the Soviet aligned communists in Beijing. Seems that would be more palatible to the Americans than this scenario

@user-tr8hz3oy1u

3 ай бұрын

I have heard of this before. The idea of Soviet Stalin is still like this. The Communist Party controls the north of the Yangtze River of China and the Kuomintang controls the south of the Yangtze River.

@quyenluong3705

2 ай бұрын

They couldn’t even win wars against Vietnam or Korea, what kind of mind is this they would win against China?

Interesting

They did.. it was called century of humiliation.

Since Taiwan and other countries in southeast Asia are safe but also a good effect of ours.

Mao might not be a great leader but he was definitely a great military strategist, he manage to fight off both infiltration forces from Taiwan/US and the Soviets during the poorest time in China's history. That is why Mao's military strategy books are still important and can be found in many international military schools. Rebel fighter using Mao's strategies in gorrila warfare are since called Maoist rebels/fighters.

Hoi4 iron curtain player be like :

but it was soviets not usa who wanted to preemptively crush chinese nuclear programe

basically, it would have ended in failure