"I almost learned zero coding in college"... I can totally relate. :)

@matanshtepel1230

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Yet I believe that the seemingly "unrelated" curriculum at college is at least equally as important as learning programming.

@urumomaos2478

3 жыл бұрын

@@matanshtepel1230 >"unrelated" >important No its not

@ko-Daegu

3 жыл бұрын

@@urumomaos2478 Seemingly unrelated Yeah it’s important he means some math algorithms data structure networking DB..etc yes many of these you might not write a single line of code but they are indeed important

Speak for yourselves. I learned how to make a flowchart in college.

@Mohammed-rx6ok

3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@maddriven07

3 жыл бұрын

legit

@orkhanahmadov9963

3 жыл бұрын

lmao in 4 years i did the same. The only thing i have learned was how to pass an exam :D not anything for life

@Rahulyadav-lv7dh

2 жыл бұрын

lol🤣 same here ,I learnt how to make assignments

Ben, you missed a spot

@michaelackerman2660

3 жыл бұрын

Someone needs to teach this man how to shave

@treyquattro

3 жыл бұрын

I thought it was a mic... d'oh

@wizhaa

3 жыл бұрын

lmao didnt learn how to shave XDDD

This is very relatable. Here in my uni in India, I face the same problems! And yes, hackathons were quick hacks to regain motivation.

that beard patch is all I could focus on

2018 ben really hits different

Your channel is so inspiring and authentic among the others. Keep up the good work!

What a motivational video. Thank you.

so good to see you in person Ben!! a lot of the issues you faced were mine too (like out of date tech)

@bawad

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's a bummer

4:20 yeah I agree with this with respect to calculus. you do not use it for programming but it sure helps your brain to work on multi-variate complex problems.

Hey Ben, Throughly enjoy all your programming series. Now that you told us what you didn’t learn, can you let us know how you go about learning new languages, techniques etc. you seem to be able to switch effortlessly between a wide variety of coding languages and styles

@bawad

6 жыл бұрын

Just comes down to practice. I spend time everyday programming. Here's more specific about my background: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nKaVy6OIgZuZmZs.html

You pretty much described my rank order of Netbeans, IntelliJ, and Eclipse lol. Also like your shirt btw.

@bawad

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks

wow I subscribed you long time ago, but this it the first time I watch this video. I don't know you're one year younger than me, but you already far better than me, and I learned a lot from your videos (thank you btw)

In belgium we are not programming a lot but most of the course are still nice: classical algorithms, optimization algorithms, cloud, ML, little bit of DL, lot of networking... Very few maths, mostly logic and numerical algorithms

If you could do everything again, would you go to college or would you just go straight to work?

@bawad

6 жыл бұрын

I would probably pick college. It gave me a lot of free time which let me figure out what I was interested in. But I still thinks it's possible to be successful either route.

from the lectures itself I agree, they don't teach that much coding, but that highly depends on the uni. Ours has projects, and if you select the right project, you will learn a lot from it. Some projects are really theoretical, so not those, but some are really intense on the coding side. So it is kinda up to the student how much they take away from uni.

Graduating in 2 semesters. It’s true that comp sci doesn’t teach practical use of the coding we learn. For example, I’ve learned c++ and python and java and then data structures. But, we just solved simple homework’s or data structures stuff, but never have I ever applied the learning to in-class-application and programming an actual application. In my frontend class, that’s the only space I did practical work but as many know, frontend engineering stuff isn’t really taught in a comp sci program beyond 1/2 electives in it. Of course program a lot, but, not “development”. simply out of date stuff. Comp sci is great but realistically, if you expect to develop applications and build cool things, you won’t do much of it.

I learned how to tune down creativity and passion while having chance to visit large corps thanks to the benefits of being part of something you could not get otherwise

I feel like the amount of programming is definitely school specific, as I did an insane amount of hands on programming at my uni. That said, it was still mostly on older tech stacks, and not really necissary.

My story is kinda similar, i studied computer science too but they taught us Java and some C++ only, that was bad because they are kinda brain washing students that Java is a language that you must learn. I didn't learn shit from college except for software engineering principles and some calculus our instructor was amazing, he is the one who inspired me to be a software engineer (even though what he taught us is kinda outdated now). That's awesome, our data structures class was so lame T_T. It would've been really cool if most colleges have hackathons, competitions , events and stuff like that. My college was so lame man, I leaned what API's are after college xD

I'm about to begin my third year of CS in Italy and it seems that in the US there's a completely different approach. We got three programming courses, an introductory, pretty chill one using plain old C (and, of course, flow charts) in which very basic concepts are taught and some low level stuff is hinted at (memory management etc, I miss the days when pointers and side-effecting seemed like the most confusing things ever). Then there was a more advanced class, once again using C, where algorithms, data structures and basic best practices and engineering concepts are taught (the final exam involved building a project with another student, so it's also a way to get used to work with others), and finally a class about OOP (using Java). Before that though there was a class about compilers, interpreters, etc where OOP is actually explained at a low level (how OOP languages are implemented, late-binding, metaclasses, vtables, etc), mostly looking to C++. Also, I did some Assembly 8086 coding during my Computer Architectures class, which while not very useful today, it helped me learn about the x86 architecture with an hands on approach (also programming on a 16-bit CPU, with all of its limitations, was pretty fun). Also there's a lots of math, of course (discrete maths, logic, calculus, statistics, etc). No weird out of place classes, aside one about Economics (which I still think it might be useful to someone looking to start its own business) and one about Physics. My course of studies so far has been pretty hands on, but mostly on a low-level scale. While I like this approach, after two years of studies I feel like I'm not very knowledgeable on how to devolop actual, useful software (even though I think the third year will basically be all about that). I approached web devolopment on my own last semester in order to make my Software Engineering project (there were no restrictions on how to implement it, since this class was all about UMLs and producing documentation, not actual coding, so I chose to do some kind of webapp in order to learn something new). It was made with no frameworks using PHP, MySQL, vanilla JS and bootstrap. It was pretty messy and hard to work on, so now I'm looking into modern alternatives. I really enjoyed your "JavaScript Fatigue" video because it gave me some good advices on how to avoid getting overwhelmed. Keep it up.

@imabaconbutihaveadream1763

2 жыл бұрын

quale università?

@brianm9456

2 жыл бұрын

im from USA and went to Oregon state University and I feel like my curriculum sounds similar to yours, idk what colleges don't do programming in their classes. 98% of my course work was programming.

i wish i went to computer since , doing my homework with learning all these technologies at the same time is sooo painful , u guys very lucky that u went were u want

99% of what I've learned so far about programming, I've learned on my own. About to be in my senior year at university

I can relate to all of it lol. My uni is pretty average or even below average. Sometimes we got project for final exam though, but there's no guidance whatsoever on programming and it's up to us to develops it. I've been thinking on dropping out for the past 3 term (since last year), but ended up not doing it and now stuck with it. Learning from OCW and doing my own project seems to be a lot more helpful than classes

@bawad

5 жыл бұрын

I agree working on your own projects is the way to go

@ruslanuchan8880

5 жыл бұрын

@@bawad Wow, I thought you wouldn't read this kind of message. Thank you for responding. Btw, I write the earlier comment today while having a headache, so it's a bit unclear. I'll edit it up xD Also earlier today too, I had followed your instagram and wanted to ask career advice, but ended up not doing it and browsing hackernews all day to find answer haha. Luckily I think I got it now

@bawad

5 жыл бұрын

I read all comments :)

Ben, you've mentioned that you don't really have a desire to work for FANG, so what are your goals after college? What kind of job would you like?

The same in El Salvador, computer science doesn't Rally teach you coding, just some introductory JS, and some basic PHP and Python, but nothing fancy.

My computer science degree at university of wyoming is almost exactly the same. The head of the department is from Dallas so that makes sense why they're similar.

ah humble ben the good ole days

Interesting, thanks for sharing. Did you find the standard of others in the Hackathons was high/above yours and if so, did you find you learnt a lot from people in your team?

@bawad

6 жыл бұрын

At first I would say I was near their level or a little bit lower and learned a ton from theme. But then over time I feel like I have surpassed most of them.

My school marketed it as programming but it ended up being mostly English classes and group dynamics.

That's VERY different compared to my university (Washington State University) - comparatively, it seems laser-focused on teaching it's students how to program. I am a transfer student, so I took most of my math and science courses at community college. But pretty much every CS course I've taken here, even theory courses like Automata Theory and Algorithms, have had programming projects embedded in them. Like, my Operating Systems course was a senior level course where we _programmed_ many parts of the operating system, rather than just learned how it worked.

@awakeaurora9689

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, I go to WSU and I was about to say the same thing😂

@IamFrancoisDillinger

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Of course, much of this depends on the Professor at my University. I'm currently in Automata and it may be the first class I've ever failed. I'm so ready for this semester to be over.

So I guess Computer Science curriculum is pretty much same across the globe......

@ko-Daegu

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda but not really We have about 6-7 classes with programming on them + 4-6 optional classes & the rest is 1 class for both Algo and Data structures + 2 networking classes + rest is math :::::: We don’t have english, philosophy, history ..etc all this is waste of time

@thatoneuser8600

3 жыл бұрын

@@ko-Daegu bro you said all that without mentioning your country. Let me guess: a Nordic country?

@ko-Daegu

3 жыл бұрын

@@thatoneuser8600 Belgium

@thatoneuser8600

3 жыл бұрын

@@ko-Daegu oh, someone else from Belgium also mentioned that they had a lot of practical programming classes in their college, so I guess Belgium is just a really great country or some shit

Hi im thinking of transferring to UT Arlington but would you recommend double majoring in Computer Engineering and Computer Science or is it too much stress?

do I have to focus in my university and get good grades or to get a little bit good grades and focus more in coding ?

It was the same for me in Brazil. Most of the people who didn't program already just dropped off mid course lol

I am a big fan of yours! I regard you as a genius bro. You know so much n your sharing has helped me a lot in my programming skills. Once again, thank you very much. If you ever come Singapore, buzz me. Lunch on me! :)

@bawad

5 жыл бұрын

Amazing, sounds good

Will you make a video with your senior who has done masters? I want to know curriculum for masters.

Haven’t watched everything yet but, I’ve done a LOT of coding where I go. Almost every CS class has some sort of coding involved

I feel very weird with the school I am going to. All of my friends across the country have schooling similar to yours, while mine has been strictly learning programming, barely any math or theory. Just getting right into the nitty gritty. I cant complain as I am farther along in coding then these friends, but i would have really liked to learn more math and science.

@dragonverde188

Жыл бұрын

i mean you can always learn on your own, i feel the school system is at the end of the day that; learning how to learn on your own

This is so true, but in my uni I think I learn more programming than what you described. Data structure was hell for me, not because it's hard(it's hard but honestly everything is hard) but because the class was so boring I ended up not listening to my lecturer, I ended up with a C(I fucked up on my final exam) and I don't really understand about tree. I'm only interested in data structure class if there's a programming assignment that's due, with programming assignment I actually learn how to code and apply the knowledge that I "received" and I usually ended up helping some of my friends to complete the assignment. Web Design & Programming was worse, I was genuinely excited about that class but it was a major disappointment, I learnt html, css, javascript, jquery, and django but it was confusing. The lecturer basically explained what is on W3School like really basic stuff and that's it. It was such an "off-hand" approach and because of that I was really lost. I don't know what is the proper way to create a website and so on. I'm planning to learn everything about web programming from scratch with the help of an online course and I hope it will have a better result than my uni class.

At UCF all three of the CS classes were applied CS? All in C and then eventually in Java. That’s so crazy that you didn’t learn it

Wait we had overlap at UTD!?! Wild

I've luckily had the complete opposite experience at my university. Of the 18 courses I've read so far 12 of them was heavily focused on programming. The key being that they teach various CS topics by making you complete programming assignments. My CS program only includes two math courses which are both discrete math related.

@bawad

5 жыл бұрын

that sounds like a great way to do it

@zomakaja

4 жыл бұрын

Where did you go?

@randombystander4819

3 жыл бұрын

Where did you go for real

whattt... I'm in third year now. Cannot believe Ben is just 2 years older than me. Damn what am I doing with my life

I learned programming from doing and practicing instead from college classes

in Belgium there are two kind of "higher studies" : university studies and "haute école" studies where university is also extremely based on theory, they only learn python in three year and barely practice (which is why I chose the other option). in an "haute école" it's wayyyyy more practical but you still have to do the theory (practical lessons are worth very little because it's considered not important by the old ugly system), I'm in my second year of studies and we learned the basics of assembly, advanced C, advanced C++, advanced Java, advanced JavaScript (going to do JS & PHP frameworks later on), advanced SQL, (ofc html & css too), gonna start python during this semester and funny enough : our diploma is worth less than the uni diploma lol (we even have to do a 6 months internship which uni people don't do). in uni they have around 15h a week, we have 30h (for the second year) ;-; life sucks (but i wanna do a master anyways so I'd have to go in a uni for that so it's okay) edit : oh yeah and we also all have to use linux

@thatoneuser8600

3 жыл бұрын

I'm learning Java, so what did you learn in advanced Java section? Things like type erasure, reifiable types and non-reifiable types, annotations, generics, upperbounded and lowerbounded wildcards, lambdas, functional interfaces (streams, consumers, functions, builders), regex expressions, StringBuilder? Maybe JUnit and Spring as well?

@Tortuex_

3 жыл бұрын

@@thatoneuser8600 some of those and also javafx :3

@thatoneuser8600

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tortuex_ so what did you not learn from the list in college?

I guess shaving wasnt on the curriculum.

@moutonguerrier

3 жыл бұрын

art was though; thats where he got the style from

Quick, what is P vs NP?

Man Comp Sci in the US sounds like absolute trash compared to the comp sci degree I'm currently doing in Australian. Zero English or humanities and I'm doing an OOP class at the moment which is getting pretty deep into java. I also have to learn R in my data science class. No Hackathons though which sound like fun.

Woosh

Bro! This is true universally but companies like lambda school are bridging this gap in what an ideal college curriculum should be.

i'm half way through a degree in computer science and they teach almost no programming. a little bit of java and python if you're lucky. no frontend frameworks or anything like that

UTD physics 2010 here. Y'all CS students never had to take diff eq, linear algebra, or numerical analysis?

maaaaaan compsci degree is a meme despite being the most valuable bachelors degree there is.

Do you have any suggestions for speaking fluently in English?

@bawad

6 жыл бұрын

I don't have any special tips, just practice a ton

@Alex-gw9js

3 жыл бұрын

Do you feel that youre better at the language now?

You remind me bucky roberts, u awesome i have learned alot from u

This is not related to the contents of the video but to many of the its comments. Why is programming considered the end-goal of getting a CS degree? I think it's a pretty misguided notion and I'd argue that a CS degree is anything BUT that (I'm being extreme on purpose ofc). IMHO a university/college's job is to give you just a taste of all the available fields (mostly through introductory classes and/or somewhat involved assignments) so that you are able then to better decide what suits you best. For example, after finishing my degree I knew that I'd never want to become a web dev or (unrelated) focus my studies on computer networks etc. Apart from that, by going to a uni/college you become a lot better at problem solving (like the video said), searching, filtering and obtaining information and experience on your own. To put it in other words, I'm 100% sure that if I had put the same amount of hours learning programming on my own w/o ever having gone to uni I'd perform a lot worse and I'd learn a lot less things than the programming I have learned after having gone to uni. All in all, nice video.

I didn't learn really that much about coding in college, no where near enough to be qualified for a job.

3 year ago... how old is Ben ?

I'm planning to take several cs courses next semester(I'm econ major). Do you have any recommendation on what kind of course was most helpful? I'm not sure whether hardware courses will be helpful or not.(os, computer structures, logical circuits...)

@bawad

6 жыл бұрын

Have you tried doing stuff with a Raspberry Pi or Arduino? If you like that stuff maybe you'll like some of the hardware classes. Personally, I like the software side more and find it more useful. I would recommend a programming class. If you can program you can build all kinds of cool stuff.

@user-ot1dk4fd8i

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks! and one more question: have you ever taken any good mooc about "algorithms and data structure"? cause I'm going to get myself ready for coding tests this summer. By the way I 'm solving problems in hackerrank but I can't see any improvements over time. I feel like I'm stuck somewhere..

@bawad

6 жыл бұрын

I have: www.coursera.org/learn/algorithms-part1 I did that for a while too. It's rough and you feel like your making no progress. I don't have any good tips on it other than keep grinding

@user-ot1dk4fd8i

6 жыл бұрын

Ben Awad I'll check those videos. Thanks, Ben!

@bawad

6 жыл бұрын

No problem, good luck

How were you able to pay for college?

@PureAsbestos

2 жыл бұрын

With an academic scholarship probably. Or enormous debt like me :(

question: is a cs degree necessary? for software dev

@jasonnatale6208

3 жыл бұрын

Nope it’s not, but make sure you go through a boot camp/ coursework which has good reviews and is respected in industry.

@royalclashers4492

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonnatale6208 thanks Jason, any thoughts about the self-taught path??

Almost exactly the same as i learned from uni. I am now a third year cs student as well. The uni won't teach you a lot programming/software engineering, or in other words they don't teach you coding directly. I learned a lot of theorietic stuff from a bunch of courses. For example i remember there is a class teach you "Design Pattern" and they use JAVA, and u have to remember almost all 23(or more) design patterns, writing their names and scarianos in final exam, which i personally think is useless and disgusting. I totally agree with what Ben said in the video what you learned after class, and *that's why i am here*, i actually learned a lot from Ben's video. Thanks Ben, best teacher ever! Next year i am gonna graduate from uni, but i won't graduate from Ben's video, as long as Ben's video updating, i will keep following as a faithful student forever.

one of the reasons I dropped out from university

our university uses JCreator to code java, haha

Well, I will agree with you but fortunately I had an AWESOME Professor in my Java and Database courses (same Professor) and I learned so much! Especially when it comes to designing a Database, no matter how many video tutorial I've watched on the Internet none of them know exactly (or at least they don't teach it) how to design a Database the "correct" way. I literally feel lucky for knowing this.

good stuff thank u college is rubishh

When Ben used to be shy and modest!

My cs degrees involved 6 math papers,

wanna start a company

Bro u went to school for comp sci and had 1-2 coding classes? Wtf not im massachusetts

nice beard

UTD gang

Lol this is how i describe my college

is it a school? is it a college? is it a university? what is it that you are referring to? 🤯

@bing2517

3 жыл бұрын

university and college are both school. in america they call university college

@feuerherz007

Жыл бұрын

@@bing2517 americans are weird

Why are Universities so out of touch ?

You are definitely right, computer science is not a degree in programming like people think, its actually essentially a degree in problem solving.

Ou man, netbeans.... I just said: fuck it and use intelliJ without asking a permission. Java code is a Java code anyway

It's such a sad commentary on the state of higher education. I worked in higher ed for a few years, and I would say college, for the most part, is a waste of time for everyone involved.

I cant focus on the video, too distracted by his shaving habits.

NetBeans >>> Eclipse

histroy, art class, english in a programming uni? Bruh waste of time and money

:puke: netbeans

college is total waste of time

@KeepItFresh02

3 жыл бұрын

ive had internal recruiters for companies be adamant of a requirement for their Front-End Development role to have a Computer Science degree. I lied initially but I said no in the phone screen and never heard from them again. I suppose I should have just kept lying.

@urumomaos2478

3 жыл бұрын

@@KeepItFresh02 its ridiculous that they ask a compsci degree to center a div, you really learn nothing useful (much less frontend technologies) in college

@saidtorres3

3 жыл бұрын

@@urumomaos2478 Wich method do you use to center a div?

@ozjack2717

2 жыл бұрын

@@KeepItFresh02 lie To u make it