Good video. I don’t even have that type of planer and I still watched because I love learning new stuff.

Thanks a lot man, this video was of great help!

I just subscribed to your channel after watching many of your Dewalt DW735 videos. I have had installation issues with my OEM Shelix cutterhead. It is presently not installed but thanks to your efforts I will reattempt installation soon. I have a Festool vacuum rated at 130 CFM that I connect to a dustbin separator that Rockler has a free plan I recently built. This setup uses a 4" adapter from the DW735 to the dustbin. The Festool vacuum is connected with a 2.5" hose to pull the chips through the dustbin. This works great with the dustbin drawers collected 95% of the dust and chips when using the DW735 impeller. Since it won't take long to remove the impeller I'll let you know if it affects performance.

@TheSnekkerShow

6 ай бұрын

130 CFM might not be enough air flow to keep the planer motor cool, so keep an eye on it. Good luck with the Shelix installation!

I would be interested to see how it performs after modifying the impeller to stop acting as a blower for dust but leaving the blower for the motor. Judging by the impeller blade count on the back of the impeller, the motor requires a much higher static pressure vs the dust blower side. Dust collection units are designed for flow, not static pressure, so I would seriously doubt that a dust collection unit will provide enough cooling capacity to keep the motor sufficiently cool. There's a big difference between trying to suck air through a motor with only small gaps and through a wide open 2.5" fitting. You need way more static pressure to pull even a fraction of the air through a motor. Also, you will lose some dust collection flow as some of the cfm will be used through the motor, which vents from the outside of the motor in to the dust duct. So you lose cooling AND dust collection capacity in exchange for a small amount of horsepower. I would bet money that average motor temps would be up significantly and over time that equates to lower lifespan of the motor. By grinding off the outer impeller blades and reinstalling the impeller, you would be testing to see if the dust blower is responsible for the power gain/loss without compromising the motor and also without decreasing your dust collection's capacity. Plus if your dust collection gets clogged or flow decreases due to your bin being full, or if the hose comes loose or the blast gate doesn't latch all the way open, you won't be risking burning up your motor. A replacement impeller is about 15-20 usd online, so this wouldn't be an expensive test.

Thanks for the video. I may have to remove my impeller just for fun. If I do this, my next step will be to design and 3D print an adapter for the 4in dust hose without the 2 1/2in restriction which must add some pressure drop in the dust chute. Dave.

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

That's a good idea. That's definitely a restrictive adapter.

Helpful, cheers. Subbed.

I am just seeing this for the first time, thank you for posting, i was considering doing the shielex upgrade and thinking a dust extraction, considering what power system I think i will go 2hp dust extraction, and remove the impeller also. If i had a 3D printer and 3D printing skills, i would modify the inner dust extraction housing to be a little more efficient whilst permitting cooling for them motor, this is a great idea, that obviously after reading some of the comments, people have a lack of understanding about how much pressure drop a dust extraction system offers

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. I hadn't really thought much about the hood design, but I'm realizing now that most planers just rely on the cutterhead to eject chips, but since the motor on the DW735 is in the way, they might have just added the impeller to avoid having to make the planer taller.

Thanks for the idea. I'll probably remove mine in the near future. That impeller is so powerful that when my dust collector is connected, I can't even turn on my shopvac or all of the chips will bypass my dust collector and fill up my shopvac instead.

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, glad it was helpful.

I thought the impeller acted as a cooling fan also... But then again I have no idea on the topic lol

@matthewharvey8755

3 жыл бұрын

Then again your dust collection unit should have enough draw to cool it. Great tests.

@matthewl.459

Жыл бұрын

It does

I appreciated your video. I always thought that this planer is underpowered and it explains why by showing the power drain of the impeller. (fyi - The air velocity coming out the dust port is ~66 mph! No wonder its drawing that much power.) I tested the air flow near the intake of the motor and it was ~3.3 mph through one of the outside casing vents with the planer on. With the planer off, I got 2.3 mph with the dust collector on (I use a HF Dust Collector). This flow seems low but it is not a true measure of the air flow through the motor because there are a few other vents on the casing but I felt it was a good relative measure. This convinced me that the motor would be getting a fair amount of air flow (~2/3 of the flow) if I removed the impeller. Before removing the impeller, my planer slowed and stalled (breaker trip) several times and I had to go to 1/4 revolution cuts at the slow feed rate to avoid tripping while planing wide hickory boards. I removed the impeller to see whether this might help. Performance wise I could see a noticeable improvement. I could use the fast feed rate without significant slowing down the feed while planing the hickory (no trips). However, I am getting more chip debris out the two ends and the type of noise changes. Rather than a constant whine, it now almost sounds like something metal randomly bouncing around or grinding inside the planer on top of the whine. I could not isolate where the sound was coming from and it sounded like something was wrong. I thought something was loose and looked everywhere for some loose parts, maybe a latch was loose, or something else. I did not find anything and did not think it was the missing impeller. Found no hits on utube describing this type of noise. Since the dust collection was a deal breaker, I put the impeller back on and to my surprise the noise went away.

@TheSnekkerShow

Жыл бұрын

It's hard to say without hearing yours, but I can hear the chains in mine more when the impeller is removed. It almost sounds like something rattling around.

@richarddeveney6264

Жыл бұрын

Update: After a ran a few boards through with the impeller installed, the noise came back. So the noise was not the impeller removal. I felt the different sections of the planer and the gear box had the most vibration. Opened it up and the gear on the end of the cutter head was loose. I looked at the utube installs of the shelix cutterhead and the gear just screws into the end of the cutter head. The end of the gear had a 6mm hex head so that I could tighten the gear from the gear box without removing the cutterhead. I recall when I installed my shelix head that the video I watched noted that the threads should be left handed so that it remains tight. I am surprised others have not had a similar problem. Thanks for all you did here.

@TheSnekkerShow

Жыл бұрын

@@richarddeveney6264 Good to hear you got it resolved.

This is a good mod only if your dust collection has good suction. If so it should be enough to pull the chips from the cutter head section and still have enough vacuum to pull air through the motor. The only issue is to idiot proof it. I caught myself twice in a year when I forgot to turn on the dust collection. So the impeller of the planer was powerful enough to blow up the bag and push the chips into the collector. And when I went to press the button on the remote for dust collector I’ve noticed it was never turned on. So that would get me into a pickle and possibly damage the planer. Otherwise it’s a good mod. Taking off about 300W of load on the motor is better for the motor and also let’s it run cooler if the cooling effect of the dust collector is the same as the impeller that was once in place. Cheers.

I will have to do this modification!

I took the fans of my radiator on my car, drawing too much power. We sure showed those engineers 😂

@TheSnekkerShow

7 ай бұрын

As long as you cool your radiator with a 4" intake dust collector, your car will be fine. Roof mount it so it looks like a rocket engine.

Very interesting

There is one thing i wonder if when the impaller is installed it keeps the motor cooler and prevents overheating?

I just watched your video and noted the the impeller accelerates air which cools the motor in addition to increasing air flow to expel wood chips. If you remove the impeller you will also reduce cooling airflow to the motor. But because you have reduced the load the motor it will generate less heat somewhat compensating for the reduced cooling flow to the motor. If the amount of heat produced by motor is greater than the heat dissipated by running without the impeller then the motor temperature will increase. To compensate somewhat, the external vacuum system will still draw SOME cooling air through the motor but it may or may not be sufficient to prevent the motor from overheating. The worst case would be running under load with no impeller and the external vacuum system disconnected. The easiest way to test the modification is to use a thermometer to monitor the temperature of the motor: 1) As designed with impeller installed both at Idle and under load.and 2) With the impeller removed both at idle and under load.The rated temperature of the motor is probably stated in the manual or on a plate attached to the motor. I just noticed you posted this two years ago (my bad) so I guess you already know if it worked or not. Chuck

@TheSnekkerShow

Жыл бұрын

I haven't had any problems, but I also haven't measured the temperature. One of these days, I might get to it. I trust the dust collector is moving enough air, though.

@charlesdpetrone941

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow You have verified the satisfactory performance of your modification. Congratulations on your success! I have been accused of overthinking things in the past. Now that I am retired I have the time to overthink other people’s projects. My dog Bo ignores me. Good luck with your woodworking! Chuck Petrone

I'm not sure if this has already been said in the comment section, but..... I'm almost certain that (from an engineering standpoint) the inner blades of your impeller are used to pull air through the motor itself, to keep it cool when in use. Now since this is also the drive motor for the cutter head, this could be causing damage in the long-run. If you have access to a thermal imaging camera (Flir type?) would you possibly provide a video of the "with and without" impeller temps? I'm sure a laser type of heat probe would work too, just not as well. If not, I have one in my toolbox at work, and I suppose I could make a response video to yours, with temps using my DW735. I'll give you a chance to do it before I go that route though. As always, thank you for the videos! Like I said on your original "I wish I had watched this video before buying the Shelix cutterhead" video.... You saved me a TON of headache.

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

That's a good idea, but I don't expect to have time for it anytime soon. I did consider cooling air before publishing this, and I could feel that the side vent on the other end of the motor was moving air and the motor was staying cool. I think the impeller is more important when no dust collection is available to perform the same function.

@Justin-C

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, I wouldn't do this.. especially with the helical head causing increased load vs straight knives. That's kind of a kiss of death for motor life.

My solution would be leaving the impeller installed to cool the motor and prevent chips to enter the winding but removing the blades on the extraction side. since you are using dust collection system you don't need them anyway.

I use a dust deputy with a 6 hp shop vac, HEPA filter and exhaust diffuser. The only issue I have is my blast gate to the router gets clogged and wont close unless I clean it out.

I removed the impeller, it works works better rpm does not drop but it has one negative that i found and that is that the chip collection is not as good it dribbles chips out the bottom and that is with a 2 hp collector with a 4 inch hose

Hi.! -- thank you, good notice, always it, s wrong to have two suction vacum impellers in same line.

nice

It looks like the motor side of the impeller may be used to draw air through the motor for cooling and exhaust it out the discharge duct. A dust collector running the hole time the motor is on might draw enough cooling air through the motor to keep it cool. You said you've been running it for months now so it seems to work. Just a thought.

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

That was my thought as well. My initial concern was that the motor would fill up with dust without the impeller, which would also indicate reduced air flow and cooling. So far no dust in the motor.

@paulpatten7799

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow I removed the impeller but put a caution label on the top saying impeller is removed so to only run it connected to a dust collection system so the motor gets air flow and doesn't overheat.

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulpatten7799 Smart move.

I've got a belsaw planer I've yet to use it needs some work but they didn't have dust collection at all go watch a unit run.

I bought a bag off of a smaller dust extractor that ties to the hose. I works just fine. I have a 2hp dust extractor so dont really need the impeller.

That is a significant difference in power consumption

HI, it is a prytty good idea and it looks like it is working, very nice explanation and quality video. I have one question which you can maybe help me with: do you know by any chance if the motor in DW735 planner is the same as in DW734? I would really appreciate your help.

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure, but you could probably look up the motors on ereplacementparts.com

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

I just looked it up real quick and the armatures have different part numbers, so probably not.

@AlienJ69

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow Thank you for a quick answer. I have already look in to it before, but i get info also that different part number is due to usage in different model. For example some parts in DW733 and DW734 are tha same but just becasue they are used in different planer model the part number also differes. Anyway thanks a lot for quick answer. I will look deeper in to it somhowe.

When using the impeller, did you have the dust collector on as well? I’m wondering if the impeller is fighting to push all that air through the hoses?

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

When the planer was new, I just had a shop vac, and the impeller would frequently blow the shop vac hose of the planer. I didn't have that trouble with the dust collection system.

Just curious- does the Impaler keep the motor cooler. If yes, wont it overheat more? Just wondering

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

That is correct. My initial concern was that the motor would fill up with dust without the impeller, which would also indicate reduced air flow and cooling. So far no dust in the motor, which means the dust collector is providing the necessary cooling air.

Hi, wondering how a shop vac with 2 1/2 hose would work now with the impeller removed?

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't tried that yet, but my first thought is that it would be risky with straight knives because of how large the shavings are, and how prone to clogging shop-vac hoses are. It might be a little safer with a helical head because of the smaller chips, but I would still consider it risky.

Video is a year old now, so can you give an update on whether or not the dust collector provided enough cfm to keep the motor cool? Like did this mod last long or did you have to reinstall the impeller? Also what cfm is your DC running?

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

I'm still running it without the impeller with no issues. This video answers your second question: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dZ5_rquaadnfmZc.html

Hi, good video. One quick question, do you get more dust particle inside your planer without the impeller? Thank you!

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't noticed any difference.

@patlee9704

2 жыл бұрын

I would think about blocking the fan air intake too! The circle part in the center of the fan housing.It will give you more vacuum for dust and chip extraction because you are no longer using the fan to blow chips out. So the fresh air intake at this point is a performance decrease.

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

@@patlee9704 It would improve chip extraction, but the opening also draws cool air past the motor through a vent on the side of the planer. Blocking it might cause the motor to overheat.

what was the amps with impeller and dust collector both on? it should be lower than without DC.

@TheSnekkerShow

Жыл бұрын

Good question, and I don't have a good answer. I'll try to remember to check once I get some other projects out of the way.

Great to know.

My buddy took his impeller off and the motor blew 3 months later. I don’t know if it was just a coincidence. How long have you had it off, using the dust collection for cooling?

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

I've had mine off for around two years now, always used with the dust collection connected. The planer is five years old.

Great video. I think what you've done will not impact anything in a negative way, as your dust collector pulls the chips and also pull the air to cool the motor, the only question is what's the airflow through the motor now, versus what it was before you removed the impeller. Also, the 3A drop in power consumption in loaded mode, puts less load on the motor, thus it wont get as hot. You're dissipating about 300W less heat, and that is significant, so it may be the same potatoes in the end when it comes to cooling or it may be actually better if the motor sees more air going through it. Face it, during idle run you're saving about 5 cents an hour in electric cost, and during loaded time, it's about 2 cents. But before you didn't have to use a dust collector so the savings are not really there. I have a similar setup, and there were times when I was using the planer, yet forgot to turn on the dust collection. In your case that would be a bigger issue. It would be a good idea to get a special switch going to your planer so when you turn it on, the dust collector comes on automatically. Cheers.

I would like to see the voltage drop at the planner during the planning operation. Amperage will increase if the voltage drops. Are you using an extend cord to the planner? How long of a branch circuit do you have from the planner to the circuit breaker panel?

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

I would guess 30' of 12ga wire between the breaker and receptacle, and a 15' 12ga extension cord for the test, but I got the same measurements when it was plugged directly in to the wall. It would be interesting to measure voltage.

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

I finally got around to testing voltage tonight. Starting with the original setup with a short 12-gauge extension cord, it was approximately 120v before starting the motor, 119v after, and dropped to 115v while planing 8” wide maple. Then I plugged directly in to an outlet right next to the breaker panel and got 120v, 119v, and 117v. There were some minor fluctuations between test sets, but those numbers are a good summary of the results. Amperage was maybe 1 or 2 higher using the extension cord, but still around 25-27 for both.

@garymoyer3744

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow Thank you for doing that test. I have a Shelix cutterhead sitting on my bench waiting to be installed in my DeWALT 735. After watching your first video on the amperage during planning I was concerned because my circuit length from panel to planer receptacle is about 75 feet and additional 25 feet of #12 extension cord. My wiring is in EMT conduit so if need be I can pull out the #12 wire and replace with #10 or #8 and shorten the cord to 5 feet if the O.L. on the planer trips.

Looking at all the comments maybe it would be good to do an update video and somehow measure the heat of the motor after planing operation? Just a thought. Everybody seems very concerned about the motor overheating it'd be good to see some hard data on that. I was absolutely going to do this modification just because it seems so unnecessary to have such a big blower while being hooked up to a dust collector. But my major goal would be to cut down on the amperage because I occasionally blow a breaker and was hoping this would solve that. But now I'm terrified of burning up my motor

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

I've thought about doing that, but I've got a lot of stuff in queue at the moment and not enough time to get it all done. Maybe I'll try to fit in a quick test sometime.

Does the blower have anything to do with keeping the motor from overheating? I saw a video where a guy put an upgrade to the dust collection, it comes from the top after cutting a hole. It’s 3d printed. Anyway, in his comments he says he kept the blower because he didn’t want the motor to overheat. Doesn’t seem right to me but I know nothing

@TheSnekkerShow

4 ай бұрын

It does, which is why I would only recommend doing this with a 4" dust collector or something with a similarly high air flow. That pulls air past the motor.

Off topic but I have appreciated your videos with this planer. Have you considered addressing the static electricity issue associated with this planer? Seems to be a fairly common issue, one that I haven't been able to solve.

@TheSnekkerShow

Жыл бұрын

Can't remember if I mentioned it in this video, but I called Dewalt about it years ago, and they said that's just how it is. I can't say I've noticed it since I removed the impeller, so that might be the static generator right there.

@ck5412

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow Thanks. Was wondering if that might be the culprit.

@7711gman

Жыл бұрын

Run a bare copper wire spiraling around your 4" dust hose to ground. We do this for cnc machines. Eliminates the static. But the impeller fan needs to stay on. It's cooling the motor AND blocking the chips from going into the motor.

Good stuff! What kind of CFM does your dust collector pull?

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

That's a good question. Since I modified the system to be two- stage, the manufacturer's specs would no longer apply.

@jonq8714

3 жыл бұрын

My guess is not a lot. Check Bill Pentz's website, he's the cyclone guru and provides a TON of information about particle size, CFM, impeller size, ducting size... everything you'll ever need for central dust collection. I used it to build my own 5 h.p. cyclone with the same specs as a new Clearvue... it's awesome and definitely the coolest thing I've ever made.

@repairmanjackX

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow The modifications you made - my guess is installing the Rikon Impeller - would only improve your CFMs. You;re probably pulling an optimal 1500 CFM, but it would be nice to know for sure. I've got a Powermatic PM1300 with my DW735 as the first tool on the dust collection tree. It would be nice to know if that's sufficient for cooling the motor alone, or if the impeller is needed for cooling.

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

@@repairmanjackX I've heard good things about the Rikon upgrade. I've been asked enough times about CFM that I just ordered a cheap anemometer, so I might have an answer before too long.

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

I finally measured the CFM. It's somewhere around 380 where I connect to the planer. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dZ5_rquaadnfmZc.html

I wonder if reduced load on the motor due to the impeller being removed allows for more power on the cutter head

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like it's struggling less with tough pieces, so I'd say yes.

@TheFalconJetDriver

3 жыл бұрын

Being it is an HF device I would not trust their specifications statements, just like the 6 hp shop vac that I have in my garage that runs on 120 volts. Yea right🤣🛫

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheFalconJetDriver You're probably right. One of these days I might try to measure CFM, but it's been working well enough that I'm content with my ignorance.

That's a nice reduction in power!. And any noise reduction is welcomed, probably more so by my neighbours than me ! I'll give it a shot in a week or two once my dust collector finally arrives. (It's going to be nice not having to spend twice as long cleaning the shed then actual cutting !)

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

I noticed a big improvement in air quality with the dust collector too, especially after I upgraded the filter.

@Gazfixify

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow Yes, I've been looking through your back catalogue and saw your dust collector setup, nice. I have been getting by with a festool shop vac, but bit the bullet last weekend when i saw a special with a separate cyclone and fine pleated filter, so jumped on it. I just wish we could pay US prices.... i can't believe how cheap things are there.

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gazfixify Cheap is the right word to describe the Harbor Freight model. A good one like you described would probably cost more than double what mine cost even after upgrades.

Doesn't that impeller also cool the motor?

@pwolfable

3 жыл бұрын

I guess I wasn't the only one with this thought... Sometimes it pays to read the other comments first... ;)

@tomrut3653

3 жыл бұрын

I’m sure one side is for the chips and the other side is to cool the motor. I don’t think I’ll try this.

@crim7ind

3 жыл бұрын

Does the impeller not create a vacuum in the motor to cool it? With air taking the path of least resistance is the dust collector going to create anywhere near the same amount of “pressure” vacuum within the motor to cool it down?

@marknasia5293

2 жыл бұрын

The vacuum created when connected to a vac system, will draw heat from the planer. If you take off the impeller and do not have it connected to a vac system, that would be bad

@davemacdonald7928

Жыл бұрын

I have to wonder if it would be OK to remove the blades odd th impeller from the impeller on the wood chip side bu leave them from the motor side

When you do a noise comparison, there's a cell phone app that will provide Db numbers. FYI

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

I figured that out later but haven't tried it yet. Do you recommend any particular app?

@chashint1

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow whichever one is free, I use Decibel X, but I am sure any of the others are just as good if not better.

Is the impeller not providing cooling for the motor? (That is the main/only motor it was attached to, right?)

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

That is correct. My initial concern was that the motor would fill up with dust without the impeller, which would also indicate reduced air flow and cooling. So far no dust in the motor, which means the dust collector is providing the necessary cooling air.

@SyteCYer78

3 жыл бұрын

Good to know! Sorry, didn't see the question had already been posed. 😊

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

@@SyteCYer78 All good, I probably should have covered it better in the video.

I would not recommend doing this unless you have a cutter head upgrade. The impeller also breaks up chips if your using the original cutter head with straight blades. Also you do sound like Nick Offerman.

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

I suppose that the impeller could break up chips, but I'm not sure if it does. Man, now you got me curious. I might have to test this.

@Githy1378

2 жыл бұрын

I believe it does thats why you get chips instead of long strips when plaining wider boards.

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

@@Githy1378 You were right. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iYh6xtl9fLGtlqQ.html

I'm not positive but in looking at what you did, and that the impeller has a dual vane configuration, I'm pretty certain those "inside" vanes are there to cool the motor. So they likely pull cooling air from inside the machine, over the armature and discharge it with the chips. They are also likely to create a stronger airflow than the chip discharge, so as to create a positive airflow situation, thereby forcing the hot air out and not allowing the dirty chip discharge in. I'd say that's worth 3 amps!!. If I'm correct, you just eliminated your factory motor cooling circuit. I'd leave it be if I were you, but if you feel compelled to screw with it, maybe you could dremel the actual chip vanes off the wheel and leave the cooling vanes on the wheel.

@TheSnekkerShow

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure you're right about the cooling. The 4" dust collector provides the cooling air, but I don't think I'd try it with just a shop vac. I might redo this video eventually to take some temperature measurements with different configurations, but so far I haven't had any trouble with overheating or chip buildup.

@michaelconroy8060

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow I agree that with a good 4" suction line all should be ok but if anything goes wrong, like a filter clogs, hose falls off, breaker trips or human error, things could get ugly quick with all that a planer puts out and the motor in a more vulnerable state now being open on that end. Anyway, good luck and thanks for your videos!

Are you aware, that by removing the impeller you are putting your machine at serious risk of burn-out. Yes, one side of it propels the discarded chips of wood through the exhaust port. But the other side is driving air around the windings of your motor. Every time it's put under load it will cause these to generate heat. If the machine is only used for a short period, then heat-wise it may be fine. But should you forget to turn on your extraction system and use the planer, it will be toast. Remember how the wood is statically charged, well; this will cause it to be attracted to the motor windings as they are also charged. They will Sease up your motor and cause it to catch fire in no time at all. Do yourself a favour and play it safe, for your planer and your workshop. Thanks for sharing.😄

Interesting. I would have thought the impeller was responsible for a lot more of the noise than it actually is.

That impeller is also the cooling fan for the motor....

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

That is correct. My initial concern was that the motor would fill up with dust without the impeller, which would also indicate reduced air flow and cooling. So far no dust in the motor, which means the dust collector is providing the necessary cooling air.

@steveh8724

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow Probably, but it would be interesting to see a direct comparison of motor temp after a standardized planning task (eg 4 passes at 1/16th DOC). Starting with motor at ambient each time, complete the standard task, then measure motor temp with an IR gun both with and w/o the impeller.

So what cools the Motor now?

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

The dust collection system pulls air through the vent on the other side of the motor.

brother how to know in the side has an impeller or not when I purchase, what do I ask the salesman???

@TheSnekkerShow

Жыл бұрын

New ones come with an impeller, so you shouldn't need to ask.

@awaisbutt42

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow thank you

I noticed my gasket plate is a little buckled?? And I cant find a replacement part... everyone wants to sell the base at half the cost of the planer! Any insight? Thanks.

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

Is this the part you're looking for? (removed) I think a lot of those plates look a little buckled just because it's thin sheet metal. You might want to try removing yours first to see if there's any debris underneath. I haven't tried that with mine, but it looks like it's just held in place with the tabs.

@rueban96

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow great idea, thanks for the videos and insight. Gained a follower!

@rueban96

3 жыл бұрын

Do you have any vids on cleaning the rollers? ...safely

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

@@rueban96 No, but you can just unplug the planer and clean them with mineral spirits. After cleaning the part you can see, plug the planer in briefly and turn the switch on and off to advance the rollers to a new area. When you're done, re-wax the bed so the wood slides easier.

@rueban96

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow Thanks man!

So this impeller just shoots the chips or provides the suction aswell?

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

One side shoots chips out of the back, and the other side sucks air past the motor.

@grantperry6977

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow ah got it. Im thinking of getting the x model as it's only the price of an extra set of blades If I bought seperately plus it had free table extensions at this point. And I think I'll do the bucket and filter lid style extractor since all I have is a dust deputy and I hear those dont work well in planers with no blower

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

@@grantperry6977 Just make sure it's connected to a dust collector and not just a shop vac. The dust collector moves more air and helps keep the motor cool in the absence of the impeller.

@grantperry6977

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow since shop vac and dust deputy probably won't work well, I think probably just use the blower and bucket/filter no?

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

@@grantperry6977 That sounds like a good plan.

I just upgraded by removing the impeller, and installing a Shelix head. But now the planer won’t start, does it have to be hooked up to the dust collection now that the impeller is removed in order for it to start? I really appreciate the help! (I’m still constructing my shop Right now and don’t have access to that 4 inch dust collector yet)

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

You need either an impeller or a dust collection system. You can't run it with neither, or the planer will overheat and clog with chips.

@audioman99

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow thank you so much for the super quick response! So without the dust collector, it will not start? It’s a brand new planer, and it worked perfectly fine before I change the head and remove the impeller.

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

@@audioman99 My pleasure. It should start, but you're probably lucky it didn't. I'd recommend putting the impeller back for now, and then troubleshooting the power chain. There's a safety switch under the lid that looks like a cross, a breaker in the front, check the outlet, etc.

@audioman99

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow thank you so much! I really also want to thank you for printing out this entire series, it was very much consideration when I bought this planer and the new head.

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

@@audioman99 Good to hear, thanks for the feedback.

Interesting. I’m giving this a try. Question. I’ve noticed a large amount of wood chips and dust when I remove the top cover. Is anyone else having this issue? Suggest fix?

@TheThoughtfulWoodworker

Жыл бұрын

I had that problem once, it was a cracked dust shroud. A cracked fan impeller housing can cause it too.

@mikhailarey1196

Жыл бұрын

@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker I'll look again. I did not notice the housing being cracked. I did remove the impellar. Could I just disconnect the impellar motor?

@TheThoughtfulWoodworker

Жыл бұрын

@@mikhailarey1196 actually the impeller is driven by the main motor. I would leave the impeller alone, just make sure the impeller housing and dust shroud aren't damaged.

I just use a pillow protector. Has a zipper for emptying.

Perhaps I missed it (and I don't own this planer) but wouldn't be even better to disconnect the blower motor electrically (as well as remove the impeller)? I would think that it's still using power to turn the shaft that the impeller sits on.

@danharold3087

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like that motor also turns the cutter head. You can see the red belt at the rear of the machine. I was wondering if the back side of the impeller is supposed to cool the motor ?

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

That was my original thought as well, but it's attached to the shaft of the motor.

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

@@danharold3087 You are correct, there's a vent on the right side of the planer where the impeller, or now dust collection system, draws air past the motor.

But how much amp draw in the the dust collection...........

@csimet

Жыл бұрын

Agree (good to divulge as part of this test), but since the dust collector will be running anyway, there is no difference in total added to either way it is run. My concern, as others have mentioned, is impact on motor cooling... does the airflow from the extractor alone provide adequate cooling ability. Personally, I probably would not perform this modification. I'm still kind of blown away with the 11-12A draw of this machine at idle (no cut) and 30A while cutting, as per his tests, for a machine with a NEMA 5-15P cord and rating to run on a 15A circuit.

@drumpriest

Жыл бұрын

@@csimet The advantage though is that you can draw the dust collector from another circuit. So if you are having breaker pops with this planer it might be worth it if you run the DC and the P on separate circuits. This is what I'm currently doing because I only have 15A circuits in my shop right now...and I still pop the 15A if I cut a little too aggressively. Good question about the cooling!

@csimet

Жыл бұрын

@@drumpriest With the power draw this thing has, running an extractor/collector on a separate circuit is a must. A 20A circuit is barely capable of handling the planer alone, considering it should not be loaded more than 80% (16A) and I'd would not run it on any circuit that has wiring more than say 20 feet (voltage drop and additional current loading).

@drumpriest

Жыл бұрын

@@csimet I've been running one of these for 15 years on a 15A circuit. I just don't take large bites.

@joepangean6770

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering about the current draw/load after changing cutter head. I installed the Lux Cut III, similar to Shelix, and the planer motor labors far more. When I run poplar with shallow cuts like 1/32 the motor audibly drops pitch and slows down. I assumed the helical knives made a more efficient shearing cut as opposed to the straight lapping blades. But even with dull long blades the 735 runs much smoother than new carbide helical knives. Odd.

I did this upgrade and burnt-up my planner. The piece he removed helps to keep the motor cool. This is not a good upgrade. It sounded good but don't do it.

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear about your planer. If you have a dust collection system connected as I showed, it will draw air past the motor to keep it cool. I've been running mine without the impeller for almost two years, and I bought the planer five years ago.

@donmcgovern8039

Жыл бұрын

How dare you steal my name.

That beard!

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

No-shave November, get in the game, bro!

@Wingdish

3 жыл бұрын

Couple of more years! Then I can, and will!

When you replace the motor be sure to leave the cooling fan/impeller on. 🤷🤦🤦

@TheSnekkerShow

Жыл бұрын

The dust collector provides the cooling air. Definitely wouldn't want to do this without good air flow.

Are you Bourbon Moth’s dad??

@TheSnekkerShow

2 жыл бұрын

Not that I am aware of.

@dp91c

2 жыл бұрын

What happens at the Vegas Woodworking Convention, stays at the Vegas Woodworking Convention...

Not sure how long that motor would run if u had 1 or 2 square meter of long boards to plane withoht cooling

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

It's definitely not intended to be run at full-width capacity for long. It would be no different using a circular saw to rip thick slabs. Most woodworkers plane narrower boards frequently, and wider boards occasionally. Those who need to plane longer and wider boards frequently should consider a 220v floor model.

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

And to clarify, the dust collection system provides the cooling air through the motor housing. This modification should not be done without a dust collection system.

Am I the only one that thinks he sounds like Nick Offerman?

@devlinsemmler8236

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, you're the only one. He doesn't sound like Nick Offerman at all.

And his planer died....

I tried this, and my planer died 1 hour later! Don’t do it!

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

I suspect there's more to this story. What type of dust collection system did you have connected?

@mikeleger4767

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow 3 HP Oneida

@mikeleger4767

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSnekkerShow the ductwork was designed and purchased from Oneida, and my planer stood only 4 feet away from the collector

@TheSnekkerShow

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikeleger4767 Then you can rest assured that the death of your planer had nothing to do with removing the impeller. The impeller moves chips and moves air, and a dust collection system moves chips and moves air. An Oneida 3 hp moves more chips and air than the impeller would anyway, so it made your impeller extra unnecessary.

Good way to burn up the motor, impeller is the only thing that keeps the motor cool!