What Happens To Children That Transition? | Helen Joyce
In this clip, Helen brings to light the startling fact of gender clinics hiding information on their child patients.
Helen Joyce was Britain Editor at The Economist, where she worked for over 15 years before she
joined the gender-critical campaign group Sex Matters as a director. She is the author of Trans:
When Ideology Meets Reality.
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She's 100% correct. If what your doing is so beneficial to these children then you would want to show the results. Instead they know it's not so they hide it. Unbelievable.
@ghenulo
28 күн бұрын
That's what the WPATH files showed.
@aceface8877
13 күн бұрын
If public knowledge of a person's medical history leaves them open to attacks on them they are right to keep it private. Since RvW was repealed people in the USA are trying to get access to women's health histories and cycles . Did you see the news article about the group of children who attacked some toddlers at a park because their parent is trans? The parent picked up their kids and were chased out of the park
@seasonedbeefs
10 күн бұрын
Criminals
"treated"?....Damaging children is not 'treatment'
@Lycaerix
29 күн бұрын
Precisely this. Genital mutilation is not a 'treatment' and has long been treated with justified contempt. How this atrocity has been going on as long as it has and with so little resistance is mind-boggling. Apparently people can no longer recognise abuse, homophobia, or misogyny when it's wearing sheep's clothing.
@robertholland7558
29 күн бұрын
@@Lycaerixdoes that include circumcision?
@marylamb7707
29 күн бұрын
@@robertholland7558 No.
@marylamb7707
29 күн бұрын
@@robertholland7558 No. Why would it?
@ConnieWobbles
29 күн бұрын
Personally I think circumcision is mutilation, and it's not without risk.
The horrifying thing about this is why it is even an issue. Stealing childhood is evil beyond words.
@poetmaggie1
28 күн бұрын
An ultimate Evil but the tip of the problem. Its even worse than we though.
@anitra7747
24 күн бұрын
Sadly they don’t just steal their childhood but they damage them irreparably for the entirety of their adult lives as well. It’s so heartbreaking.
So good to hear a compassionate and credible ADULT speaking about this issue. A true warrior for justice. I hope this madness ends soon.
@sookibeulah9331
15 күн бұрын
Yes. I appreciate Joyce raises her concerns about the children who have been lied to, sold the snake oil as the thing that will bring happiness who now think they are being denied happiness, because of the lies they’ve been told. There are so many children that have been harmed by this madness, even the children who cannot get treatment have been harmed through the lies.
Canada is just as sick or worse. We have a 50 year old man swimming, competing and changing with 13 year old girls. How sick is that..
@GazGuitarz
28 күн бұрын
That's Trudeau level SICK! He's my new comparison marker.
@kellicoffman8440
21 күн бұрын
Too sick it bad here in the US as well
@kellicoffman8440
21 күн бұрын
@@GazGuitarzhe is absolutely sick I blame his hippie mother
@Ash_NuggTato
20 күн бұрын
Im sorry no it's not, really? Nothing is worse than America 😂
@lawrencehalpin6611
20 күн бұрын
@@Ash_NuggTato Amazing how we let the news media take over our countries. Take care.
Thank goodness for Helen Joyce. The voice of intelligence and common sense and scientific fact. All credit to Maya Forstater, JK Rowling, Graham Linehan, Arty and Helen Stanisland, Abigail Shrier, Hannah Barnes, Jennifer Bilek, Miriam Grossman, Megyn Kelly, Kellie Jay Keen, Genevieve Gluck, Exulansic, Jordan Peterson, Riley Gaines etc ……let the fight for sanity continue!
It's time someone should be charged
@gemmastaines5706
29 күн бұрын
Polly Carmichael!! She should be held accountable for a lot of her actions but I highly doubt anyone will face punishment!
@chasemartin4450
19 күн бұрын
Charge the Republican politicians trying to "eradicate transgenderism" for violating the Constitutional rights of our fellow Americans!
I just want to cry when I think of all the lives that have been ruined because of this.
People with nothing to hide, hide nothing.
@rosc2022
15 күн бұрын
They do it using the excuse of privacy rights. Well, it IS possible to collect numbers without violating anyone's right to privacy.
I was a tomboy as a girl and when I jot puberty I was so embarrassed with my body, that if someone told me they could turn me into a boy, I would have believed them! So glad I wasn't given the option! I am amum, am a wife and love being a woman. Thank goodness this wasn't around when I was a kid because I know back then I would have begged my parents to transition.
@ShamelessFNGRL
20 күн бұрын
Same, I do experience some gender dysphoria but that's bc apparently it's common in autism. So my guess is that a lot of alleged trans kids are really just autistic such as myself. It's a shame they didn't get the chance to find out who they could have been..
She makes a good point that I'd never considered before, why would the clinics be so hesitant to cooperate if they don't have something to worry about! Especially a full investigation, what do they not want to be found?!?!
@user-vl8qw8hp1g
29 күн бұрын
IF the pendulum swings in favor of common sense and true scientific facts, these butchers know full well that they can and will be sued into oblivion. THAT is exactly why they don't want to cooperate with any research or investigation into so-called transgender "treatment."
@TheRisky9
29 күн бұрын
Especially if their goal is to help trans youth like they claim! Because they know they're wrong in doing this to children, but they can't deal with the idea that they were complacent.
@kellicoffman8440
21 күн бұрын
Exactly what are they hiding
Thank you, Helen Joyce and John Anderson, for raising awareness of this travesty.
We are living through 2 medical scandals that are being covered up
Cass did a fantastic job with this report considering no one would divulge information to her.
Doesn't the research show that most gender confusion resolves by the end of puberty anyway?
Children in the hands of zealots, what could possibly go wrong? These people need named and shamed!
I feel so sorry for these young kids, how could any doctor , adult, teacher or parent think that this was ok. Shame on them all. I hope that the kids will recover and be ok.
In the US it's wrapped up with a pretty bow and called "health care."
@mikect500
29 күн бұрын
Well B. Hussein had to pay out of pocket to transmission Michael so he put it in obamocare. Plus big farma paid him. Win-win
@saradolansky1891
29 күн бұрын
@owensclock Moreover, gender *affirming* care, life-saving care (or else, it's always threatened, they'll take it upon themselves to become part of the purported 41%). So much of this so-called care has been built on lies, manipulation and indifference to the complete lack of supporting evidence. It's all been smoke and mirrors, propagandising!
@wordup897
18 күн бұрын
Just like abortion.
@mikect500
18 күн бұрын
@owensclock it is wrapped up in the Cloward Piven papers which team delta is using to bring America towards a totalitarian leftist system
Lobotomy that is a fantastic analysis.
@Maskof7eyes2
29 күн бұрын
It really is a well drawn parallel, as with puberty blockers and hormones, your ability to reproduce is brought down to nearly 0, though I suppose the silver lining is that the lobotomy patients were less able to realize the horrors that have been done to them
What are the parents of trans kids going to post on social media now? 😏
@noncompliant4316
29 күн бұрын
Munchausen possibly knows ...
@samspade9838
27 күн бұрын
@@noncompliant4316 by proxy.
@alisonf6478
27 күн бұрын
That my child is finally feeling happy on his own skin. And is tired of folks not understanding one thing about him making assumptions.
@Julieoscar1
25 күн бұрын
@@alisonf6478make sure your child gets the best therapy you can… not a therapist that just sits there agreeing with you…. Of course it’s up to you to sign consent forms for sterilisation and mutilation and bare the consequences. Take your time don’t let them hurry you. I hope your child gets the help they need.
@minoozolala
16 күн бұрын
@@alisonf6478That child will hate that you supported this in a few years.
I hope a large number of people end up in jail at the end of everything.
It used to be called eugenics. What happens is sterilization or removing unfit genes from the gene pool.
@aceface8877
27 күн бұрын
trans people can totally procreate
@Goldenhawk583
17 күн бұрын
I dont think they care if the genes are fit or not. They are removing people, sterilizing people.. if anything , those that obay easily, have the genes they would want to keep.. those that fight it, are they ones they would want removed.
i am all for trans rights, the right to adequate mental health treatment, the right to wait till you are old enough to know your own mind (25 for sterilization and even hormones make most people sterile) the right to informed consent-that living may not change after surgery/hormones. the right to understand that you will never actually be the gender you seek. the right to know surgery goes wrong and why. the right to know that women as a whole do not consider pre-lower surgery men as women, especially in the safe spaces we have. the right to know that competing in sports is a no go that people think your a cheat. and the right to know the risks of surgeries and know how many surgeries your surgeon has had that were rejected(leaving neutered people)
@Gingerblaze
29 күн бұрын
Do you believe the medical profession has the right to perform procedures which destroy the form and function of normal healthy bodies, interfere with natural healthy developmental processes, and violate the principle of "do no harm" so long as the patient gives "consent"?
@gerrimilner9448
29 күн бұрын
@@Gingerblaze i don't think anyone would want the process if they understood it, therefore no one of sound mind would give consent
@johnkennedy5528
27 күн бұрын
May I quote you as and when appropriate. Certainly name check you. Regards, John Kennedy 🐝
Adults who targetted children ...Did so through selfish( weird) medically ignorant supression of a childs right to go through puberty which is natures built in system that confirms/ commences route to adulthood.At the same time clears the smoke and confusion of childhood........They should be prosecuted .....Those children need justice
Parents need to be held accountable as well as the doctors that destroy these children lives.
Thank you for discussing this issue. Its so important that we bring more truth to light to help prevent harm to so many kids.
Rational people know this was a bad idea from the beginning. Anyone who advocated for it at all should have no authority anywhere.
Thank goodness for Helen Joyce, who is ahead of the game as usual.
Wow, this is staggering. The point of good research and science is to make sure more harm is not happening. The reaction of these practitioners/clinics who refused to share outcome data is shocking.
I never heard about it being compared to a lobotomy. That's a really good point.
Where is the main stream media?????
Deception is so powerful...especially when it involves children...parents need to be held accountable child abuse .. Gender dysphoria can be something the children grow through and out..we need more people who have gone through the experienced to speak up and inform our politicians..and stand up to save our children ❤️🙏😢
@simondale4189
29 күн бұрын
They convince one parent and the child and the other parent has no chance of stopping the treatment. I'm one of the parents trying to stop it. My child won't talk to me because I asked questions.
@user-vl8qw8hp1g
29 күн бұрын
When an alleged "care provider" pointedly asks a parent in the presence of the "trans" child, whether they want a live son or a dead daughter, two things happen. The parent is FORCED into accepting that the only way to keep the child alive is to agree to "gender-affirming care," AND the seed of potential suicide is planted in the child, regardless of previous suicidal ideation from the child. IF the child OR the parent attempt to "pump the brakes," the clinic stands to lose money. Strike while the iron is hot, as it were.
@aceface8877
29 күн бұрын
@@simondale4189 How old does your child need to be before you accept that it is their life and their decision? And that they ate capable of knowing themselves more accurately than you know them? "… When you punish a person for dreaming his dream Don't expect him to thank or forgive you" Questions are good but then be prepared to accept the answers
@jacintaward8926
28 күн бұрын
I think adulthood is the best time, but not a teenage adult either. Maybe 25, or 30? Or not at all frankly.@@aceface8877
@TheRisky9
28 күн бұрын
@@aceface8877 Legally that is 18. And yes, they are capable of knowing themselves more than you, as a parent know them, but you as a parent are also capable of knowing dangers of certain things. Tell me this, what responsible parent would be still considered responsible for subjecting their child to an experimental treatment that shows little to no evidence to help with depression and will subject them to the risk of life long medical risks. What responsible parent does that? In the words of Scott Newgent, you don't have a right to medically transition your child!
Do you believe the medical profession should perform procedures which destroy the form and function of normal healthy bodies, interfere with natural healthy developmental processes, and violate the principle of "do no harm" so long as the patient gives "consent"?
This scrutiny should have been observed in detail beginning with the castration of the first child.
The family lines of those children have ceased to exist into the next generation.
That's a very good point about lobotomies. How did that end? Was there pushback from the doctors back then like there is now?
It’s shows how uncaring the transclinics are to those children they damaged, by not working with Dr Cass. A child walks in and walks out permanently damaged by transclinics.
This is the new Lobotomy.
Just stop all funding to the six clinics that will not say what is going on
Just wow, this author knows exactly how to hook the viewer from the first seconds!👀
Had there been any success whatsoever they would have held press conferences and maybe even parades to celebrate. The ghouls who force this on to the innocent shall surely pay but meanwhile it continues. Today - right now - it's going on and getting bigger everyday.
The cost of getting what you imagined you wanted. They are destroying the children. Madness!
I knew this would be compared to lobotomies at some point. I'm glad to see the day has come where the medical system is waking up to the real dangers these treatments have.
I'D RATHER HAVE A BOTTLE IN FRONT OF ME THAN A FRONTAL LOBOTOMY.
Thousands of non-existent patients can be added to the list, money can be taken out and the clinic can be closed for any reason. Someone has made a lot of money.
What happens, to the kids? their futures are ruined. The planners know that but they don't care, it has stopped most of the victims from reproducing themselves and it has made them so wounded that they may never have a meaningful relationship.
This is human sacrifice in the modern world. Most of them live but the price these kids and vulnerable adults have paid and will pay is so sad and disturbing, and, for what? A religion that preaches against resilience and contact with reality, so recovering from their decisions will be even harder, :(
First and for most there is no transition, neutering is all that happens
When did "human rights" begin to include "demanding people who call you an idiot" be imprisoned for 5 years (UK style) ?
Lock all those clinics up in jail then they will cooperate fast
Child abuse, end of!
what is happening to them? The suicide rate of children that transitioned is much higher than children that never transitioned but thought they wanted to. They are not mature enough for that decision.
Why haven't anybody been charged for the damaged they are doing...
There will not be a silver lining for those children but I hope this scandal goes some way to question all censorship. I know that is wishful thinking but it is bizarre when we live in a technological world where knowledge is so easily accessed that censorship now blights our lives.
Isn’t it illegal to do medical experiments on people without a lot of proof that they have been successful? I haven’t seen any happy survivors of transition putting out videos of how they are doing better mentally or physically, emotionally or socially. Or financially. I’ve seen some immediately after surgery, glad that it’s over, flush in the expectation of a new and better life, only to come back later to say “I’ve destroyed my body and my life.”
@chasemartin4450
19 күн бұрын
You haven't seen any examples of people who transitioned and were happier afterwards? Good lord the KZread algorithm must be getting biased, because there are *tons* of people whose experience is precisely that who have shared their stories for others to see and learn from.
@barryledgister4496
15 күн бұрын
@@chasemartin4450 I think the OP means people whose transition started in childhood, as in the topic of the video. I`ve seen maybe two KZreadrs who were on puberty blockers around 11 or 12...and am not impressed by either. Nobody is too bothered with adult transitioners...many of those stop uploading, do complain or even if they`re happy, it`s after years of surgery and operations. The average ftm has a hysterectomy, vaginal atrophy, top surgery, complete hair loss, terrible acne, and other side effects. But if they`re happy that`s great. From a medical standpoint, with what is taken from a patient, I don`t think `happiness` is a good result. `Cure` might be a better one?
weired times weired people
Well spoken
They never tell the person that this process will make them a lifelong patient because of the effects of both hormones and surgery.
Changing the NHS number would seem to be inconsequential to most. But this has prevented the existence of a progressional, complete and accurate data trail, and it has prevented the entire data trail from being accessible to those who need to see the data. That is half the idea of laws around protection of personal information - it is only partially about what party might see it by accident! Absolutely disgusting!
I'd like to point out Shylo Pitt who dressed and acted as a boy until 16 then total about face dressed as a nice young lady. What if they gave her all those horrific treatments back when she was young!?
Human brains continue to develop mostly until the age of 25 years old and beyond because of plasticity. Doctors take an oath DO NO HARM.
I'm hearing the sound of surgeons sharpening their scalpels.
😞 very sad!
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28 күн бұрын
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28 күн бұрын
Stacey Macken's strategy has been instrumental in helping me navigate the past few months. Without it, I don't think I would have made it through
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28 күн бұрын
I remember giving her my first savings $20000 and she opened a brokerage account for me it turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to me.
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28 күн бұрын
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28 күн бұрын
Stacey demonstrates an excellent understanding of market trends, making well informed decisions that leads to consistent profit
Ok so the most obvious first question is what was the regret rate in the cohort from the one clinic that cooperated?
2:02 Helen Joyce didn’t mention that if these kids detransition their NHS number changes again, but not back to a CIS gender NHS number - it stays a “changed gender NHS number” because, according to the NHS they’ve changed gender twice.
At last a light is being shone under this odious stone. The Tavistock and other "Frankenstein Factories" are places where Josef Mengele would have felt right at home!
It seems to me that most of them regret it or do away with themselves.
Im willing to make an educated guess that if you can check the patients mental health status, you’ll find a lot of them in psychiatric care. 😐 This construct will go down in history being referred to as a catastrophic time in human evolution. The time to embrace self actualisation has come.
Wef experimenting on Canadians
They 'detransition' once their bodies are already destroyed or sadly, they too often end up self swinging. Allowing your child to play dress up until they grow out of it would be the best option. It's absolutely sick that some parents and doctors will allow a child to make permanent body choices. If my parents had done what I demanded when I was 8yo I would be tattooed all over...oh wait....I had to wait till I was 18yo
We know what happens, they grow a little older...and then stop. Permanently. By their own hand
Hmm, I’m expecting too many records are going to be lost.
Oh dear Helen I give you a rock solid guarantee they are worse than yours. Your UK labour party is rushing to suddenly support the Cass report. Our Deputy PM has dismissed the Cass report as not applicable to Australia because we have a different approach?. He is is a prominent member of the Australian Labour Party.
@jenniferplatts174
29 күн бұрын
Sadly in Australia we dont have a different approach. After listening to a child pschologist who has basically lost her job for questioning their methods and entrenched ideology,i feel very fearful for these children entering these clinics. The push to get kids onto puberty blockers etc as a panacea for whatever ails them, is child abuse quiet simply. The whole trans tripe is mind boggling especially for our most vulnerable. Hypocratic oath of do no harm goes out the window. 😢
Also, the glib lie that they told over and over again, that puberty blockers are completely reversible. Uh, no.
Child abuse!!!!!
Cass contacted all the gender clinics and they say she ignored the gender affirming doctors in her report....the hypocrisy is endless with these people.
This world needs Jesus to help get its head straight.❤️
This is why left wing ideology is not only bad but also destructive.And that is saying it as nice as one can without being angry
Hiding the records of Josef Mengele style butchery? How surprising. I'm shocked.
‘Trans people’ already have human rights. What they’re actually after is special rights. And the answer to that is No.
They do the surgery on children?
@samanthawoodward7551
27 күн бұрын
No, they do not.
@zadeify9596
27 күн бұрын
@@samanthawoodward7551 It's better be just misinformation. Children should not be exposed to anything like this.
@ponygirl6258
25 күн бұрын
"I Am Jazz" Jennings had a vaginoplasty at age 16, and there have been other boys given this procedure at 16. Girls as young as 12 have had "top surgery" in the US. So yes, they do.
@zadeify9596
25 күн бұрын
@@ponygirl6258 They also don't tell you the staggering numbers of suicides involved on those who had the surgery.
@ponygirl6258
25 күн бұрын
@@zadeify9596 Very true. Why would they? Makes the whole thing look very sus.
This is forcing mutilations mental physical chemical
Gremlins and Ghouls.
Ghouls
As a radical trans activist, I have little interest in what happens to children once they have been “transitioned.”
They become heartless capitalists who treat aboriginals as a colonialist entity.
@buildmotosykletist1987
29 күн бұрын
And give Aboriginals BILLIONS of dollars every year. The average is over $70,000 per Aboriginal.
@geoffreydawson5430
29 күн бұрын
@@buildmotosykletist1987 Good. Just out of a matter of interest why do you live there? The only aboriginals he likes are those that follow his narrative.
@geoffreydawson5430
29 күн бұрын
@@buildmotosykletist1987 Good. I worked in the biggest Aussie mines where abbo employees can go walkabout whenever they want. Let alone the raping of land. Also been an ANZAC ambassador where local soldiers would not speak so kindly of the locals.
@buildmotosykletist1987
29 күн бұрын
@@geoffreydawson5430 : I live in Australia because I was born here and own land here.
@geoffreydawson5430
29 күн бұрын
@@buildmotosykletist1987 As do those that you get your wealth from. Keep going I can keep this up.
They live their best lives, unless evil, sick people interfere and spread hate.
Trans women are Con men ❤
hi! i'm a trans girl, and i see that there are a lot of people here who don't exactly subscribe to, or perhaps understand the reformed idea of gender. i am not looking to change anyone's ideas about anything, i just want to provide a safe space for people with a perspective that is different from mine to interact with someone (me) who has a perspective that is different from theirs. i am only interested in learning, and in sharing what i believe in full transparency. ask me anything! i am not looking to call anyone wrong or "bad" simply because of their beliefs, so do not be afraid to be honest!
@Gingerblaze
29 күн бұрын
How old are you?
@Sealthar
29 күн бұрын
@@Gingerblaze i'm 16! but remember, the same words can be said by someone who is 40 and by someone who is 10, and in most cases, that won't really affect the meaning of those words. i don't necessarily expect you to take this advice, but just know that, in my personal experience, i've found that doubting the validity of someone's ideas because of who they are might shut you off from some genuinely nice, useful, or at the very least interesting interactions! either way, have a nice day!
Most find a peace they didn’t know before. Very little detransition.
I have a trans kid who transitioned and he is much happier because of it. Anyone telling you anything else is a bigot and a liar.
@wegotit2587
11 күн бұрын
Yup, cognitive dissonance is alive and well
Let’s be honest. If this was only affecting 👦🏿 she either would not care or support it despite knowing it is bad. But it affects her precious 🧒🏼, now she wants to stop it to save them. This is how people like her are, naturally.
@ryda180
29 күн бұрын
No where was race mentioned but you bring it up. Lefties lack any and all critical thought.
@chamuuemura5314
29 күн бұрын
What?
@TheQueenOfDreams
29 күн бұрын
Stop it. Get help. Your thinking is corrupt.
@alainaruble163
29 күн бұрын
I didn't hear her put a color on this at all.....all she talked about was children!!!!!
@b1crusade384
29 күн бұрын
@@TheQueenOfDreams Is what I am saying a lie? You know the discussions you and your people have in private when no chocolate is around. Just because the truth hurts you does not mean it is wrong or that I will stop saying it. 😆. Get over yourself.
Speculative, tabloid nonsense