Click here to watch part 2 of this series: kzread.info/dash/bejne/n5tpqrKferbdgco.html Here are my bow parts. Bow is not available on amazon but the other gadgets are. 22 $ Compound Bow Sight: amzn.to/3nDplQn 10$ Peep: amzn.to/30Xel6F 15$ Release: amzn.to/3lDTKwf 150-200$ Bow: Samick SHT

@zgator22

3 жыл бұрын

I still have my browning wasp . I won it in a raffle in 1976

@tedwilson9589

3 жыл бұрын

The nocked end of the arrow will leave the string at the same place every shot , thus you have to place the arrow point in line with the nocked end of the arrow . I see it that it’s a budget build , but the arrow needs to fly straight , to achieve it’s maximum potential .

@JoshuaTClark81

3 жыл бұрын

Lilly is channeling her inner Lara Croft.

@phantom7crossrose528

3 жыл бұрын

They shore is some nice beaver in that there area😇

@TonyL-gw4qx

3 жыл бұрын

I love your style and effort you put into shooting. I shoot a compound bow and have for 30 plus years. I really appreciate all the effort you put into shooting more accurately! I never calculated a shot that much and wish I would have looking back. I have shot numerous deer and if your ever heading to the Great USA for a deer hunt I would love to host you! I would set everything up and promise you a great hunt. I am in Nebraska and have thousands of acres to hunt. We have very nice, large whitetail deer here and I know this would never happen but wanted to let you know if you ever wanted to hunt 200# plus whitetail deer we have them here and I can promise you a great hunt. Great video and great effort in your practice to shoot accurately and better. I had a Mundsterlander she was the best hunting dog ever. She was 15 before I had to put her down one of the saddest days ever for me and the kids. She was a member of our family and you are so lucky to have Amy with you. Keep up the great videos and archery shooting and techniques! Thanks Tony

Don’t know a thing about bow and arrow, but I found this fascinating. I had no idea what is involved to make an arrow fly straight. Thank you Lily. Much respect.

@Rigel_Chiokis

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, this is overthinking the entire process.

I did archery from 7 through 19 and got busy and forgot about it. I'm 60 now and getting back into it. It's never too late to enjoy archery. Your videos are very encouraging.

@skoll_5682

3 жыл бұрын

Can’t shoot bows due to injuries. But at 46, I bought a compound bow just cause I could. (Such a fool I didn’t realise I couldn’t adjust the 65 pound draw without chafing strings. I have a steel plate in my neck. Makes a damn good garage piece ;)

@GlobeHackers

3 жыл бұрын

@@DessieTots You are a fan of history.

@stephenlongstreet8305

3 жыл бұрын

I am 65 with no eyesight in left eye and fairly good vision in right eye. I am right handed with forests on two sides of me. Is this a hobby worth tackling? Also have a baby grand piano that I haven’t a clue how to play. In your opinion, would I be wasting my time learning how to play, or learning how to play in the woods?

@cospolonstories3863

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenlongstreet8305 Do what you enjoy. Life is never long enough.

I have been an Archer for 5 years now, mainly compound bow. You are very good and your grouping at 25 yards with a 35 pound take down now was very good indeed, your understanding of archery is excellent. David.x

The arrows do have a natural oscilation. Smarter every day has a episode called Archers paradox.

@wljay

3 жыл бұрын

But much much less with a compound bow like the one she uses (also in the smarter everday video :) )

@ex-nerd

3 жыл бұрын

@@wljay She's using a recurve, not a compound.

@wljay

3 жыл бұрын

@@ex-nerd oh nice, does a recurve arrows shoot around the bow or straight like a compound?

@ex-nerd

3 жыл бұрын

"Around" I suppose. But that has less to do with the type of bow than the construction of a specific bow. Not all compound bows have an arrow path straight through the center of the bow, and I suppose you could build a recurve out of strong modern materials that would allow an arrow rest in the center.

@gaborbelkovics4119

3 жыл бұрын

Fully agree, the size of the hole depends on the arrow's stiffness and not the size of the feather. (of course, the shooting style is changing the oscillation as inso80 mentioned)

What kind of quiver is that? One for explosives, one for armour-piercing, one for hollow-point?

@alyxchristophe4385

3 жыл бұрын

ROFL!! She made that herself. There is a video on it. She wanted a quiver where the arrows didn't rattle as she walked through the woods.

@lucasky1394

3 жыл бұрын

It reminds me of a duck foot

@pwnmeisterage

3 жыл бұрын

I guess it makes sense. Why carry around a dozen or a score of arrows if you don't need them, lol. If you miss your first shot you probably won't get another anyhow, more ammo won't help. If you wound a target you probably won't need more than one more shot to finish it, more ammo won't help. Then again ... there's always stories with the shooter who brings a seven-shot revolver to the gunfight ...

@jakobrosenqvist4691

3 жыл бұрын

Those look like 3 sewage pipes. Betting that's exactly what they are.

@rickc2102

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think we're gonna get the velocity for optimal hollow-point expansion, lol. You're probably gonna want a broadhead or expandable point. 🤓

I've shot archery for years, first thing I see is your knock point and rest don't appear to be level at full draw. This will cause vertical wag in the arrows during flight. Second, for a true "paper" test, the paper needs to be at same hight as the bow. The paper itself adds friction and if not level with the bow can cause minor wag. This appears to be the biggest things causing the offline tear. Your form and release look great and only need minor adjustments that will improve with practice and experience. Hope this helps. Great videos, love your channel.

@teekotrain6845

3 жыл бұрын

Neat 🏹

@SPACE_GEKKO

3 жыл бұрын

@jamonit joe You would be impressed by the accuracy of a 25# bow in the right hands.

@TonyL-gw4qx

3 жыл бұрын

@Dorian Grey ever use a site on a recurve bow? I had never seen it before and have years at the range.

@TonyL-gw4qx

3 жыл бұрын

@Dorian Grey last time I was at a range was 6-7 years ago. I shoot in my back yard and 6 years ago I was going every week and never saw it. Thanks for the heads up!

@TonyL-gw4qx

3 жыл бұрын

@Dorian Grey wood is great on a recurve bow. I had shot them in my youth many years ago and have been shooting a recurve since I bought my first compound bow when I was 13. A whitetail hunter for $20 last one they had and they were getting out of archery and it had been in the store for 6 months and was a lefty for me. I still have it over 40 years later. I now shoot a Hoyt Katera lefty 70# And I am shooting out to 40-45 with deadly accuracy. Love archery

As an archer I’ve noticed that you drop your bow arm very quickly after release. This causes arrows to hit low if they’ve not completely cleared the bow before you lower your arm. Holding your form for a couple of seconds longer will help with this.

@1littlelee

3 жыл бұрын

i think nshe knows more than you, her targets are perfect

@MCshadr217

3 жыл бұрын

As an Archer myself, she knows what she's doing. Doesn't matter where the arrow lands, what matters is consistency. You can always adjust where they land after. Her groupings were fairly tight.

@IainMcClatchie

3 жыл бұрын

In the video, you can see release in one frame, arrow underway in the next, bow moved in the next. I'm not sure what the frame rate is, but it must be faster than 20 fps. So she's dropping the bow some time in the 50 ms after the arrow clears. It's quite a lot of motion, too. It appears the bow is getting significant acceleration downward. Is it reacting against the arrow?

Not been in the channel in a few years. Glad to see it's going well and that your videos are getting better and better.

When I clicked on this video I didn’t expect to learn so much about archery. I have shot both recurve and compound bows and I applaud you for putting sights on a a recurve bow and using a release and showing the increase in accuracy both provide.

@dougn4942

3 жыл бұрын

I think she does a fabulous job and is very educated... everyone is different in there approach... different body type ect.

This is so cool! I enjoyed how prepared you were to adjust variables.

I love watching people do what they love. I don't shoot and stumbled onto you video well done Lilly!

That little point about moving your left hand made me chuckle. I’m currently learning kyudo after doing archery for years and my bad habit for kyudo is that I don’t move my hands enough lol.

Shooting a recurve with a release aid changes the way that the arrow react at release. Basically they no longer go around the riser like they do when you shoot from your fingers. The string travel is not the same as a finger release (it is more linear back to bow) so the arrow reacts more like they do out of a compound bow with the flex being more up and down. Arrows tend to stay with the point left of the feathers because they don't bend around the riser like they normally would. Because of the more up and down bend, arrows shot this way also tend to smack down hard on the shelf then flying tail high just after the release. They tend to porpoise for quite a while before the feather can stabilize them. Putting a whisker biscuit or other compound style rest can make it easier to set up a workable nocking point.

@loomspace

3 жыл бұрын

Great comment

I learned a little something about archery today. Thanks Lilly!

This was more entertaining than I expected it to be, good video!

I admire her capacity for self-criticize and make adjustments on the fly. I don't know anything about archery, but I can recognize discipline and clear sight when they're on display. I am envious of her control.

Friendly comment here: A bow needs to be "tuned" in order to shoot properly. Shooting through paper will tell you if you need a stiffer shaft, different grain tip Etc. The arrow should match your draw length and the fetching need not be trimmed down. Shaft diameter and wall thickness will determine the correct shaft for your Bow. Then work with different grain tips.

@jeremymcpherson8608

3 жыл бұрын

What you say is technically true. However, I would argue against the need to do so with a basic recurve much past getting some arrows with the correct spine for your draw weight. With all that stuff she has on her bow, she might as well shoot compound and enjoy the increased efficiency and accuracy.

Hey Lilly! I'm fairly new to your channel, but I've probably watched... dozens of your vids by now. I watched one where you were kind of questioning whether KZread was worth it anymore and you had shared some of the bad side of the site. I'm just a random dude from Canada but I wanted to say that I love your content and I'm glad you are still making content.

If you could get a high speed camera like the slo-mo guys, you could get a really clear view of how your arrows are flying. They have a fantastic video where they have a master archer show what happens when he shoots an arrow - it's amazing how much they wobble, and how important that wobble is.

@Syrusoo

3 жыл бұрын

Agree I don’t think it’s the arrow flying sideways it’s the oscillation that all arrows have.

@mrwascallyt9865

3 жыл бұрын

@@Syrusoo archers paradox - smarter every day did a vid on it . i've also noticed with the new arrows with plastic fletching they don't go over the rest as smooth as real feathers . regardless , you're doing pretty good . the paper ? i think at varying distances the wobble will indicate differently sort of like throwing a knife is at a diff. rotation at diff. distances . wanna check out some crazy archery look up lars anderson ( if my memory is right , it's been a while )

@krisqo

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrwascallyt9865 came here to say this archers paradox and Lars is an absolute boss i can only hope to be half as good as he is with a bow

@MisterHouu

3 жыл бұрын

The thing about the archer's paradox wobble is that it's a horizontal wobble. Vertical deviations would be due to either vertical wobble or the arrow flying with a pitch angle not equal to 0. I'm no expert on the matter but I can't think of any reason why an arrow shouldn't remain almost entirely stable on the vertical axis, just something to consider.

@carstekoch

3 жыл бұрын

Those cameras are really expensive though.

The one thing that stuck with me from reading Chuck Adams books decades ago, consistently accurate bows are properly tuned with properly tuned arrows. I learned paper tuning from him and more about fish tailing and porpousing than I'll ever remember. When you get this dialed in, you won't be able to shoot two arrows at the same bullseye anymore. At least not without breaking something 🙂

Lilly I am always impressed of your shooting skills. I like all your survial and bushcraft vids.

Love the doggie laying on the bench at the end.

@leefellows7863

3 жыл бұрын

I'm a big fan of the doggie as well.

@moorgunandmarshes

3 жыл бұрын

Is it a kleine Munsterlander? I have a grosse Munsterlander and just found your channel, my dog insisted I subscribe :) I do a little archery aswell though ;)

@afoster1621

3 жыл бұрын

Knew there was a doggie before that heard it whimpering for attention at 4:50

Answer for me: a LOT more than I thought at first. Very educational, Lilly. Thanks!

Thank you for all the work and science and effort you have done, thumbs up!

Lilly, for what its worth coming from me. I did some research and spoke to a buddy of mine that shoots archery after watching your video. The thing my buddy said is that it may not be the weight of your arrow. You may need to move your rest 1/32 to the left and/or you may be shooting too light of an arrow. Great video as always. I hope you are doing well.

When paper tuning you need to shoot straight not in a downward angle.. raise your paper target so you are not in a down ward angle. and use a thinner paper.

@chumleyk

3 жыл бұрын

David Mansplainer

@davidiwata7063

3 жыл бұрын

Why thinner paper?

@godfreypoon5148

3 жыл бұрын

@@chumleyk ikr, never offer advice to a female, that's sexis. Let them find their own way.

@calysagora3615

3 жыл бұрын

@@chumleyk Take your identity politics garbage and gtfo.

@TheDajoca

3 жыл бұрын

@@chumleyk Ah. The instant expert that doesn't want to know the correct way of doing it, or why.

"In the wilderness with my bow..." That was very funny.

@markfox1545

3 жыл бұрын

Was it?

@quantumleap4023

3 жыл бұрын

It was?

Another great video Lilly, more please.

A question that has puzzled humankind for centuries.

The archer's paradox is the phenomenon of an arrow traveling in the direction it is pointed at full draw, when it seems that the arrow would have to pass through the starting position it was in before being drawn, where it was pointed to the side of the target. The bending of the arrow when released is the explanation for why the paradox occurs and should not be confused with the paradox itself.

Okay, youtube randomly gave me this video and I don't even know where to begin. First of all this is a great bow, but specifically I like it because it doesn't look like those overcomplicated modern composite bows, but isn't a basic simple one either and still uses modern technology. Second, I've never seen such quiver, hell, I've never even thought of an idea of a multi-sectioned quiver. And third, it is always great, when a person not only uses something, but thinks how to improve it and can actually do this too. And I just love archery. Just because.

@jasonpatterson8091

3 жыл бұрын

The overcomplicated modern bows can help you do things like easily shoot decent groups at 30 or 40 meters though - they do serve a purpose. And if you're using a bow for hunting instead of just target shooting, the ability to have a decent draw weight but have it let off at the back of the draw is amazingly helpful. I'm not saying it's impossible to hunt with a more traditional bow in any way shape or form, just that a compound bow makes life easier, especially if you don't have the time to spend every night in a tree or less than great hunting habitat.

@anatolmanaenko3694

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonpatterson8091 that is right. Difficult to be impressed by grouping of this shooter

@anatolmanaenko3694

3 жыл бұрын

She just has a bad technique

I'm not sure if you'll ever fully understand all we get from your videos. What you do for us is AMAZING! Saying thank you is way to inadequate but i don't know anything better words! Thank you lady! Tim

Just like my other outdoor skills my archery skills have been unused for decades. Oh my how the technology has advanced. Great demo!

Treating the title as a question I was like, it makes a hole, so I was drawn to see if there was an answer I was missing.

@wmlongboard

3 жыл бұрын

All the best for language learning, its a hard slow task i feel is underrated.

@benji280792

3 жыл бұрын

The interest to shoot through a paper sheet is to see if the bow is properly tuned. If the bow shoots well, the arrow Will be shot straight, so the tear in the paper Will be clean, you Will see only the fletching. If it dont shoot straight, the shaft Will tear a line in the paper.

@MikeHarrison3266

3 жыл бұрын

@@benji280792 So I hear, no idea where I got that information though it just came to me out of the blue somehow.

@MikeHarrison3266

3 жыл бұрын

@@wmlongboard It is hard, even though I was born in England it took me a couple of years to get to speak in sentences.

@Moneysreal

3 жыл бұрын

i think most of us were, and it worked.

This was well done and interesting to watch. Thanks, Mike.

I'm not a bow shooter but I am a student of concealment and defensive shooting. I enjoy art and technique and your paper test impress me with both.

That archery range is in a beautiful location. Such a lovely looking forest

@arcanondrum6543

3 жыл бұрын

Her accent sounds German. They have a different philosophy about Wooded areas. On the upside, their limited amount encourages conservation. On the downside, the "beauty" you see is actually more Park than Forest. Forests are self-sustainable and have thrived without help from man for centuries. Parks are less so. They might look appealing to people but they are actually food deserts for critters AND trees and other life. While a forest WILL burn more readily in dry conditions, it IS a natural, renewable process if man were nowhere to be found. IRONICALLY, a forest takes longer than a Park to dry out. The leaves and other dead organic matter protect the moisture in the soil for far longer.

@Aliveandkicking1979

3 жыл бұрын

@@arcanondrum6543 She's actually austrian. The range really is in a forrest. It's just half an hour away from me.

@SteveJohnson007

3 жыл бұрын

Merican here. Those forests look great because they are raked! /s

@Fillthrill

3 жыл бұрын

@@arcanondrum6543 Different philosophy about wooded areas - what do you mean? How does it differ from other places in Europe?

@Fillthrill

3 жыл бұрын

@wilffo.at Alright, cool. Thanks for the elaboration, the more you know :)

I have set up my Samick Sage recurve bow, exactly like you have set up your bow. Your videos are very inspiring!

The first videos I seen was your bow videos I didn’t know you had a WHOLE workshop 😂

That's a really good way to explain how bow works and what you can change to change how you bow works nice video ^^ Also this dog is so cute O_O

Good dog taking a nap. She barked to let you know something was over there. Good girl

Paper shoot tuing is good for compound bow. For recurve bow, it doesn’t very well. Because with recurve arrows flex much more than compound when they fly. The most effective way for tuning arrows for recurve bow is 'bare shaft tuning.' Shoot three fletched shaft and three bare shaft and see if they group together well enough. If bare shaft impacts left then the arrows are stiff, if to the right then the arrows are weak. If hit high, nocking point is low. If hit low, nocking point is high. Then you adjust arrows for what is required. If you shoot ILF recurve bows, you can adjust draw weight of the limbs upto some percentage of the actual draw weight of the limbs (Your bow is not ILF, so that's not an option). That makes tuning a bit easy.

@Lost_Hwasal

3 жыл бұрын

Shes shooting with a release, paper tuning is fine. Compound arrows stabilize quicker than recurve arrows, but a recurve arrow will still stabilize quickly, less than 10 yards. And with a release aid they will stabilize even faster because the string is not rolling off the fingers when you release.

@Lost_Hwasal

3 жыл бұрын

@@3vo408 yeah 6 ft for a compound is fine, with a recurve that arrow will still be whipping around and you will get tears even with a tuned bow. Easton knows what they are doing but I don't think you understand Easton.

@Lost_Hwasal

3 жыл бұрын

@@3vo408 So youre a good shot, thats great. Not everyone is that consistent and bareshafting is just going to give you mixed results. Im not sure why you are arguing with me dude. I said paper tuning is fine, i didnt say bareshafting doesnt work. So what the fuck is your issue?

@greenhoodedvigilante458

3 жыл бұрын

@@3vo408 She is using release aid, yes. But her arrowrest isn't as it is in compound bows. Whisker biscuit and dropway rest allows the arrows to fly very straight without that much flex. But the arrows rests which are used in recurves or if you shoot off the shelf, that is different. Paper tuning is fine, but it wouldn't be as accurate as it would be for bare shaft tuning.

@greenhoodedvigilante458

3 жыл бұрын

@@3vo408 If paper tune does same as bare shaft tuning, why does a someone like Jake Kaminski who was an olympic archer says that it does. He said in one of his video that you get a roughly accurate tune from paper tuning which is useful but it's never gonna be as perfect as bareshaft tuning for recurve bows.

I make and shoot Traditional hand made bows and arrows tuned to “about right” with no sites or shooting aids.......this set up has been feeding families for over 10,000 years....not sure if absolute perfection is necessary for me but I sure appreciate the insights! Mind you.... I had to shoots thousands of arrows over a few seasons to get good enough to bring home meat.....and I am sure a modern bow with sites and good tuning would shorten that time substantially!.....what I love about archers is the willingness to share our body of knowledge with one another.🏹🏹 Thanks Lilly.

Great tutorial Lilly...thanks for posting!!!....Subscribed

Lilly, You are fascinating and so knowledgeable about the outdoors. I'm impressed by your English. How many languages do you speak? Great videos, keep it up!

glad you are doing the paper testing. i would recommend doing it little closer so you dont give too much recovery time to the arrows. compound archers call it bare-shaft test because they do it without any fletchings so they strictly test the spine. and make sure to not cut your arrows before you find your sweet spine. you can always cut more but cant grow it back. keep on nocking!

Now that was very informative and answers a few mental questions I've had on flights and tips. Thank you !

Hey Lilly, I really like your design of your paper frame holder, that is the coolest piece of homemade test equipment, I have ever seen. Very well done, thank you for sharing this video!

"archers paradox", Amy [sic.] has grown since my last visit. Still jealous of your workshop' Take care.

Shortening your arrow increases overall stiffness.

@benji280792

3 жыл бұрын

@saveyour country if you have longer arrow the dynamic spine Will be higher (more flexible) To have dynamically stiffer arrows, you can shorten the shaft or lighter the points. And reverse to have more flexible arrows.

@wfranek1

3 жыл бұрын

But doesn't it decrease starting speed of arrow? After all with shorter arrow its impossible to pull string as far

@benji280792

3 жыл бұрын

@@wfranek1 no you didnt understood. The length that you make variing, it's the length in front of you bow. And it's about 1/2" When you shoot, you have some arrow length in front of the contact point with your bow at full draw. In theory it's 1" 3/4 according to AMO standards. But you can make it shorter or longer depending on your needs. If you cant shorten or is your arrow is to long, change the point weight and keep the arrow around the need AMO. But you Will change the FOC

@benji280792

3 жыл бұрын

@joseph germaine nope. Your draw length doesnt vary for the same bow. But you can vary the arrow length. So you dont make vary the speed of the arrow this much, because you dont make variing the draw length. That was the question.

@benji280792

3 жыл бұрын

@joseph germaine yeah, but i didnt find the sexual double sens...

Very thought provoking and educational. Thank you for taking the time.

Seems you've done a great job of making your arrows fly straighter and faster now ? Well DONE !

@josepablolunasanchez1283

3 жыл бұрын

The trick is to have more force in the arm. Very difficult as you need strong arms.

You are dropping your bow too soon. Hold it till you hear the arrow hit the target.

@Exiledk

3 жыл бұрын

Oh dear....

@thomasnickles1155

3 жыл бұрын

Oh dear is right

As someone who has tuned Compound and Traditional bows for decades, since you're shooting off a plastic rest, I recommend bareshaft tuning as opposed to paper tuning. Also, you can just shoot at 20 or 25 M with feathered arrows to see which point weight gives you the tighest groups.

@Lost_Hwasal

3 жыл бұрын

You have to be pretty consistent to bareshaft. Shes not shooting a compound.

@blainclatworthy5423

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lost_Hwasal Bareshaft tuning is preferred for recurves, especially Olympic Recurves,

@Lost_Hwasal

3 жыл бұрын

@@blainclatworthy5423 Yes, if you are really good. Otherwise its a waste of time and really it accomplishes the same thing as paper tuning.

@blainclatworthy5423

3 жыл бұрын

@@Lost_Hwasal Bareshaft tuning is performed at 20 yds or further, since you're shooting fingers. Not a release!

@Lost_Hwasal

3 жыл бұрын

@@blainclatworthy5423 Not sure what your point is, compound archers bareshaft as well.

That bow is beautiful *-*

@Christobanistan

3 жыл бұрын

Stunning.

Old bare bow archer here. I've been shooting ever since I was about 8 years old mostly because my parents wouldn't let me hunt with a bb gun at that age until I was 10. I just stayed with the archery because I got better at it and enjoyed it more than shooting with bb gun. I left archery when I got my first 22lr at 12 years and only picked it up again at age 21 to hunt deer. Ever since then I have hunt archery season almost every year if I could. I am now 72 and have to tune in a new bow because my old one was stolen. I give you all this background to first tell you I have never shot with sites or trigger release. This year I am going to try a thumb release to see how I like it. Since watching your video I also want to test my arrow flight using paper targets. Seems like a pretty good way to at least give a person some kind of idea how your arrows are flying. Thanks for the video. I think I will stay with bare bow instinct shooting since I've done this my whole life. Will, in Gresham, Oregon, USA

When you shorten the shaft you do lose weight, BUT you also stiffen your spine.

@Corinthians-kjv

3 жыл бұрын

When did folks figure out it makes it lighter?

@Julianna1220

3 жыл бұрын

@@Corinthians-kjv i was using an over draw in the early 90s, over draws sets the arrow rest further back nearer to the string. This allows you to shorten your arrows to an extreme. My setup shoots a 15 1/2 inch arrow. These arrows travel very fast, having almost no drop at 20-25 meters, with a 90 pound draw. over draws have been around since the mid 80s i believe, by the end of the 80s they were available almost anywhere you could buy arrows. Mine was hand made by a German friend of mine who owns a motorcycle repair shop and had the tools and time to build something from my design. (they are actually easy to make) The rest of my setup uses no sights, (i actually use my knuckle as a sight once the range gets over 40 meters. i also use a broad braided band around my hand attached to the bow which allows me to not grip the bow at all, my hand is literally completely open, this allows for no twist to the bow as the arrow is released, the bow just falls forward slowly. I also shoot american Indian style, from the eye, with three fingers under the knocked arrow with a haired tab. I did fairly well across Germany in NFAA tournaments late 80s early 90s. I still have that bow and the complete setup.

We always paper trained our arrows to make sure they were flying straight

Lilly, here is a fun exercise that I used to do a few years ago. It needs the help of an assistant. Take a round bow target (two end to end is best) and have your assistant roll the target out from behind cover. As it is passing, shoot it. I did this from the top of a shed roof. I won a few bets doing this when those came around saying it wasn't possible. Start slow, it's all about the lead the faster you get! Hope you have fun! Thanks for your content. Always knowledge there. Nice video! Keep'em coming!

I like your videos. Mainly for the reason how well and detailed you explain things

Probably the most honest clickbait title i've seen on youtube

Lilly, rest your bow in the "V" of your bow hand. Loosely... don't "Crush" the grip. Let the bow rattle in your bow hand. It will help you keep from torquing your bow. Also. Spine weight of your arrows will affect left and right "Waggle". Noch point on your string will affect up and down waggle. Also keep your bow arm up and on target after you shoot, it will help with your accuracy.

@SuffolkPatanormalTV

3 жыл бұрын

Just a quick follow up. If you can find it you should pick up a copy of "The Bowhunter's Bible".

@sarchlalaith8836

3 жыл бұрын

@@bushweasel actually that's only true in Mediterranean grip. If you hold the bow properly and nock against index finger and string, using your thumb to hold the string and set the arrow against the bow and thumb of your bow hand, you completely eliminate the archers paradox. It's how the Japanese shoot yumi, it's also much faster and more accurate.

@Markus__B

3 жыл бұрын

@@sarchlalaith8836 using a release aid reduces it, but she is still using a recurve bow which is not cut to/past center and supports the arrow on its side. That unavoidable introduces a "sidewobble".

@muddymuz7266

3 жыл бұрын

Blimey. Is there anything you DON'T know about archery?

@tonythomas951

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Loosely in the bow hand. I use a wrist strap so I dont close my hand at all. When I shoot the bow fall forward away from me and the strap keeps me from dropping the bow.

I've never done archery in my life, but I thoroughly enjoy watching your amazing skill. I'm completely impressed. Bravo!

@rodneywelch3556

3 жыл бұрын

Easy sport to get into, you should give it a try at your local archery shop!!

Love your .commitment and dedication. never realized the nuances in the art of archery and the arrows tunings

Ms. Lilly, the archer's paradox is the phenomenon where the shaft of an arrow in flight oscillates. Tod's Workshop KZread channel has an excellent video on that subject. Another suggestion: connect a lanyard to your left wrist and the bow in such a way that if you release your grip on the bow it pivots downward. Then try shooting without wrapping your fingers around the bow but apply enough lateral pressure to keep the bow from rotating in your hand. That is how the olympic level archers shoot.

@EnDSchultz1

3 жыл бұрын

I was wondering about that. Without a high speed it's impossible to tell... Maybe shooting through paper at different distances, with the same configuration, should produce different patterns if it's due to oscillation.

@elee9056

3 жыл бұрын

oscillation is the result of the paradox, not the paradox itself.

@elee9056

3 жыл бұрын

Karl Schubert i guess thats a fair point. but especially in wooded place, oscillation could result hitting things like branches. (hence why brush guns use heavier caliber to minimize deviation) so straighter arrow flight could help. also straighter arrow flight means better penetration. i would depend on good penetration if im shooting with anything less than 40 lb. angled contact mean less penetration (you can see in the video that her arrows are not landing perpendicular). if shes aiming for smaller game, i think her grouping and arrows are adequate. but wouldnt hurt to aim for higher standard, no pun intended.

@elee9056

3 жыл бұрын

Karl Schubert okay, yes there is always some movement. of course arrows dont fly perfectly straight but straight enough to contain the spine wave within an inch of diameter. i only meant the word straight in more casual sense. bare shaft test obviously shows it can be plenty straight enough to ignore the wave. but with wrong spine can result some real oscillation where an arrow move as a whole move left and right. could be because of bad release, could be because of nock hitting the bow due to bad spine choice. shooting an incorrectly spined arrow 3 ft from a target will most certainly show how arrows leave the bow in an angle. if you are talking about archers paradox when you mentioned archers dilemma, it isnt that significant in this case because her bow is center cut bow. if you see spine charts for traditional bow and compound bow, you will notice that spines are usually stiffer with compound/center cut bow. thats because you do not have to worry about relying on arrows spine to shoot around your bow.

@elee9056

3 жыл бұрын

Karl Schubert nope you are incorrect. it doesnt move further than the distance from your arrow rest and inner wall of your first knuckle. thats if you have correct spine. find me a video that shows an arrow leaving a compound/center shot bow with 3-4 inch wave length.

My three daughters are becoming good archers: I want them to see how cool you are.

Great video Lilly! love your way of doing things. You make very easy to understand for a beginner like myself. I sure will see a lot more of your videos. :-)

First time I've seen this channel. Good stuff. I've planned on getting a long bow. Great stuff here. Thank you young lady

Hey Lilly, Check the grip on your front hand. If you are squeezing the grip it could be Torqueing the bow just a slight amount in the first micro seconds after release. Try this grip - When you draw back, actually just hold the bow in the notch between your index (pointer) finger and thumb. Barely reach around the bow with your index finger and just tap the tip of your thumb. Keep your other fingers off the grip completely! This will prevent you from applying torque to the bow. If that doesn’t fix this, I would closely at your arrow rest. Consider a drop away rest; I’m a big fan of the QAD rest. Drop away rest completely drops out of the way before the fletching passes the brace.

@WorldOfNemo

3 жыл бұрын

I have to agree, i watched the conversation about heads with surprise : The posture matters a lot, especially with this kind of angle. If you don't keep your arm steady when you release the arrow drops.

@The-Dom

3 жыл бұрын

Mansplaining level 1000. grats. Her opening 3 groupings were half an inch, once she set her sight it was all bullseyes.

@critterray6742

3 жыл бұрын

The reason for the feathers hitting down n to the right is the same thing she said about her release causing the leftward grouping at 25m. Givin enough flight distance the downward right lean to her release causes a leftward flight. Changing her forward grip is correct and not mansplaining. It's archersplaining.

@vijabe

3 жыл бұрын

@@The-Dom "Mansplaining" - a made up, bullshit, psychobabble term used to denigrate men. Kudos to you for being so susceptible to social engineering.

@raikoafm702

3 жыл бұрын

@@vijabe All words are made up. Sorry your feelings got hurt.

I like your methodical approach to attain perfect flight for accurate grouping. I wanted to ask if you plan to do any hunting with your bow this fall. I've enjoyed watching all of your videos Lilly. Your pup is growing and filling out beautifully. Thanks for your videos always.

@arnograbner2327

3 жыл бұрын

Hunting with bow and arrow is forbidden in Austria, Germany and all western Europe! To go hunting in Austria or Germany you need to take a difficult and expensive test and there is NO public hunting area in Austria or Germany!

You make recurve look so easy. Some great tips there.

Your groupings will improve with practice as muscles grow stronger to reduce the pull to the left. Knowing that you tend to move after the release is the first hurdle in damping that effect. Shooting in lower pressure also helps develop your accommodation to the release effect you are getting with the attempts at longer distance. Love your channel and will be looking at more of your content in the coming days. Very well done and I love your range set up!

Arrows vibrate laterally in flight, so that's likely to be why it produces a slit and not a simple hole in the paper.

@scottekoontz

3 жыл бұрын

I think most if not all of the reason any particular shot has a straight vs slant cut is the vibration.

If you shoot an arrow through paper 1000 times, then your archery skill levels up one point.

@emilflognoid1532

3 жыл бұрын

Technically that’s correct, do anything 1000 times and your skill ability for that thing will improve.

@ChristopherBergsten

3 жыл бұрын

@@emilflognoid1532 Not sure why it would "technically" be like that. In theory, that logic also applies. Until you're maxed out.

@stephenlongstreet8305

3 жыл бұрын

I like the expression: Perfect practice makes one perfect.

@mozzjones6943

3 жыл бұрын

Like in Skyrim

Great video, informative!

I've been really enjoying your archery videos because I am very much interested in buying a first bow.

Truth be told, I watched this because you have a Large Munsterlander, and I love those dogs, had one for 11 years, he was the best boy.

@dozer1642

3 жыл бұрын

We are so lucky to have been loved and protected by our faithful friends. Dogs are amazing and beautiful creatures.

Good job. 👍 A tip, place the paper two or three metres away, no more.

Very good video. Keep up the good work

Thankyou for this . It was very informative 🙂👍

You need the slow-mo guys to see what the arrow flight is doing

@vorpalblades

3 жыл бұрын

They've already done it.

When the zombie apocalypse happens I want Lily by my side!!!

This was fun and it is nice to see an artisan correcting and adjusting on the fly thinking through the problem.

This is the most in-depth video I have seen on the science of archery. Interesting.

This test of the arrows was very interesting. I never knew that the flight of the arrow could be determined and adjusted. And it can be done with something as simple as a piece of paper. Clever, and well done!

@kele1264

3 жыл бұрын

@Karl Schubert I disagree. I believe that every detail matters in, and affects, flight. There's a good paper called The Mechanics of Arrow Flight Upon Release that I find interesting. Here is the link in case you are interested: www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~archery/wp-content/uploads/docs/knsu.pdf. Here is another, called Physics of Archery: www.real-world-physics-problems.com/physics-of-archery.html. The more aspects of arrow release and flight that Lilly can adjust, the closer she will be to her goal. The Archer's Paradox is a very interesting phenomenon.

@caninphx

3 жыл бұрын

​@Karl Schubert umm it matters a lot with accuracy especially at distance. You want your arrows firing bullet holes in the paper. This is called paper tuning, lots of people then go into bareshaft tuning which is an arrow with out fletching, same concept, but it is basically super tuning. If you can get these arrows flying straight off the bow your accuracy will improve and groups will tighten at longer distance. A lot of archers shoot regularly at 100 yds (90ms give or take) or further distances as it tightens your groups up at closer ranges. If you didn't do all this tuning, you would never stand a chance. IF she really wants to start putting the time in the arrows themselves can be tuned as well and the fletching done to be in the optimal position (basically nock tuning the arrow, or having a shop find the spine of the arrow to put the cock feather on)

@wildsau1965

3 жыл бұрын

@@caninphx 90 meters??????????? the most shoot at 50to 70 and hunters usually don't go over forty

Robin Hood fell in love watching that video. He is convinced that he found his soul mate.

And boom, just like that a thousand archery experts appear in KZread.

really enjoy your vids

I am from Russia, and I studying English with this channel.

@dzerzhinskyironfelix5217

3 жыл бұрын

I am from Moscow.

@dzerzhinskyironfelix5217

3 жыл бұрын

In Russia now isn't very cold. Something like 12 degrees.

@dzerzhinskyironfelix5217

3 жыл бұрын

@oooo78 Russian is very beautiful language.

@SaidAhmad

3 жыл бұрын

Гай Монтэг OK, not to be mean to Lily, but (now I’m going to be mean to Lily), you’ll never learn to pronounce your TH listening to our girl...

@clamum

3 жыл бұрын

@@SaidAhmad Haha yeah, no offense to her, but I think you should pick a native speaker to learn from. But you could probably do OK just from her mostly.

Ah. The archers paradox. You'll be chasing that all day.

@bowbrothers114

3 жыл бұрын

Archers paradox only affects finger shooters because we impart a sideways motion to the string on release. Using a trigger negates that. The problem is that the wooden bows are seldom cut "Over center" i.e. the arrow cannot travel straight down the centerline of the bow. We need the archers paradox in order for the arrow to clear the riser. I would be surprised if Lilly managed to get a "bullet hole" tear with her setup. If the window on the riser could be narrowed to allow the arrow to be centered then release/trigger will work. But obviously that may weaken the bow! I would also suggest a different rest like a whisker biscuit. Recurve bows aren't designed to take the increased efficiency of a trigger so keep an eye on the limb tips. Using heavier arrows and a dacron string with more strands will help protect it.

@minacanth5586

3 жыл бұрын

Usually the problem is too low lbs from the box. They will not shoot traight.

@Gterr1971

3 жыл бұрын

@@bowbrothers114 Lilly mentioned that she tends to release either right or left. Causing deflection . just a thought.

@kristiangustafson4130

3 жыл бұрын

@@bowbrothers114 archers paradox is because of the compression of the arrow from the force of the string release, not because of type of release. It can be reduced for sure, though, by various means. See Smarter Every Day's video on it.

@bowbrothers114

3 жыл бұрын

@@kristiangustafson4130 I have seen the video and it does show the difference between the finger and trigger release. The compound bow with trigger the arrow bend occurs vertically, with fingers it is horizontal. A compound bow can be shot with fingers (as we used to last century!) but will then require a different arrow rest to accommodate the sideways bend of the arrow. We cannot get our fingers out of the way of the string fast enough to not effect the path of the string. In finger shooting the string describes a figure 8 path. With a release it is straight. Yes, the compression of the arrow makes it bend and it is the initial direction of the string which dictates how that bend occurs. Compound bows are much faster than recurve bows for the same draw weight. But the arrow spine for a 300 - 340 fps (feet per second) compound bow is the same for a recurve which would be lucky to get to 200 fps. (data from the Easton spine chart.) If the trigger was not the major factor then compound bows would require much stiffer arrows. I'm trying to find a good analogy and the best i can come up with is, imagine pushing someone on a bicycle. If you start pushing in direction that is in line with the bike centerline it will be stable. If you push at an angle to that centerline then the rider will have to correct quickly or fall over!

I enjoyed shooting recurve, and, compound bows for many years, until age caught up to me. I thoroughly enjoyed watching you work through your problems. Shooting paper was almost always frustrating to me. I don't think I ever got it ideal, but, resigned myself to be satisfied that I could hit where I was aiming. You appear to be doing amazingly well.It's a pleasure to watch you shoot. Your love of the bow, and, self-awareness, instinctively wills the arrow home... Great video.

I love your arrow holders. Awesome idea.

I can't hit the side of a barn from inside the damned barn. Most impressed.

@Zociety6477

3 жыл бұрын

-hits roof-

The older I get, the more that I appreciate the newer compound bows with 85% let off. I congratulate you Lilly on learning and using a recurve bow. Constructive criticism: Follow-through is very important for the arrow direction and accuracy; and, something your technique is missing.

@Lost_Hwasal

3 жыл бұрын

Shes not a serious archer, shes just doing her own thing exploring her own style. Your critique wasnt asked for nor warranted.

@BonnieBlue2A

3 жыл бұрын

Lost 화살 project much?

@Lost_Hwasal

3 жыл бұрын

@@BonnieBlue2A Nope, just get sick of the toxic culture the archery community has of thinking there is a right way to do everything and feeling the need to enforce it on everyone, even without being asked.

@dbegley990

3 жыл бұрын

She's trying to shoot a recurve like a compound bow and she's mixing up different styles and equipment without knowing the results from her efforts. She can cause injury because she doesn't know anything about kinetic energy, string twist, knocking point (although she thinks she knows knocking points and that's how she can get dangerous, with flame around tensioned string) or arrow spine. The brass knock pinched onto her serving can cause damage when used with a loop. The loop should be tight enough she doesn't need a brass knock. OH, and the release she's using can eat that loop up in about 200 cycles. Oh, and 3 inch feathers on a recurve without shoot thru capabilities?

@dannichols6261

3 жыл бұрын

@@dbegley990 It is 'nocking' point, though, right? Good point about flame around tensioned string, I'd think, but I'm not really knowledgeable.

My kind of woman! I mean that in the most respectful way! Hands on, informative! Great vid TY!

Thanks for the very instructive video. Practice makes perfect.

Well first time seeing someone use a release with a recurve.

I can't wait for the moment when she shows all the features... oh wait, wrong channel

@thechumpsbeendumped.7797

3 жыл бұрын

And no guttural laugh either.

@jonathanday4553

3 жыл бұрын

Shup up.

@thechumpsbeendumped.7797

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanday4553 ?

@DANTHETUBEMAN

2 жыл бұрын

Ha ha ha

@aaliyahurioste3577

2 жыл бұрын

Ok did i ask

Very interesting process of troubleshooting your arrows. Thanks for sharing.