What happens if China wins? | John Mearsheimer and Lex Fridman

Ғылым және технология

Lex Fridman Podcast full episode: • John Mearsheimer: Isra...
Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
- Notion: notion.com
- ExpressVPN: expressvpn.com/lexpod to get 3 months free
- InsideTracker: insidetracker.com/lex to get 20% off
- Eight Sleep: www.eightsleep.com/lex to get special savings
- AG1: drinkag1.com/lex to get 1 month supply of fish oil
GUEST BIO:
John Mearsheimer is an international relations scholar at University of Chicago. He is one of the most influential and controversial thinkers in the world on the topics of war and power.
PODCAST INFO:
Podcast website: lexfridman.com/podcast
Apple Podcasts: apple.co/2lwqZIr
Spotify: spoti.fi/2nEwCF8
RSS: lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/
Full episodes playlist: • Lex Fridman Podcast
Clips playlist: • Lex Fridman Podcast Clips
SOCIAL:
- Twitter: / lexfridman
- LinkedIn: / lexfridman
- Facebook: / lexfridman
- Instagram: / lexfridman
- Medium: / lexfridman
- Reddit: / lexfridman
- Support on Patreon: / lexfridman

Пікірлер: 1 800

  • @LexClips
    @LexClips6 ай бұрын

    Full podcast episode: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pGirrrqHqcfglbw.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzread.info Guest bio: John Mearsheimer is an international relations scholar at University of Chicago. He is one of the most influential and controversial thinkers in the world on the topics of war and power.

  • @phyybalance2601

    @phyybalance2601

    6 ай бұрын

    Win what? China has been around for thousands of years she doesn't need to win. Just like India, The Great Britain, all of the European countries, all of the countries in the Middle East, in Africa, in South America, around the globe, and the US, we are all people of earth. Why one has to claim to be the winner?

  • @htaimaimunbaskunchi7234

    @htaimaimunbaskunchi7234

    6 ай бұрын

    all nations will beethnic chinese,just look what they did to uighursand tibetans

  • @LukePranay

    @LukePranay

    6 ай бұрын

    This sounds sooo "old-school think" to me... the future (AI-guided world) world will either be based on cooperation (instead of competition) and optimal (borderless) resource distribution/ballancing, or will not exist at all 😉

  • @tecumsehneo2174

    @tecumsehneo2174

    6 ай бұрын

    Hi Lex, please interview Martin Jacques, author of "When China Rules the World".

  • @tecumsehneo2174

    @tecumsehneo2174

    6 ай бұрын

    Please also interview James Bradley, author of "Flags of Our Fathers", "Imperial Cruise", and "The China Mirage".

  • @UwaomaNechi
    @UwaomaNechi6 ай бұрын

    It’s weird that China hasn’t been in a war in 50yrs but they are the bad guys. United States marketing team needs a raise

  • @bionicbob1285

    @bionicbob1285

    6 ай бұрын

    the U.S. bas been at war 91% of the time since it existed

  • @wendyg8536

    @wendyg8536

    6 ай бұрын

    China has been at war with the west for at least fifty years already..it is a subversive softwar.

  • @helokitty991

    @helokitty991

    6 ай бұрын

    Bad guys always feel threated when good guys get stronger

  • @TheRealMcCoyAndChipsAhoy

    @TheRealMcCoyAndChipsAhoy

    6 ай бұрын

    Weird that the US is the one with allll the military bases round the world and China is the big bad wolf.

  • @JackCrossSama

    @JackCrossSama

    6 ай бұрын

    Thats because they been at war with their own population.

  • @emmeadowmitbbs3537
    @emmeadowmitbbs35376 ай бұрын

    The title is "what happens if China wins," but John refused to accept China victory even as an assumption.

  • @229andymon

    @229andymon

    6 ай бұрын

    Quite righty, given there are huge differences between the geographies of the 2 countries. The US has far more opportunities to contain China than the reverse.

  • @yummytummy88

    @yummytummy88

    6 ай бұрын

    He show case his fear that the white man is no longer in charge of law and security

  • @yummytummy88

    @yummytummy88

    6 ай бұрын

    He show case his fear that the white man is no longer in charge of law and security

  • @irresistablejewel

    @irresistablejewel

    5 ай бұрын

    Looking at the world today, I'm not sure what governments think they mean by winning; even by their own criteria. If the superpowers put their minds to it; they could have put a colony on Mars (for all the resources spent on infighting); that likely wouldn't solve many of the world's problems, but at least we would know the direction we are going.

  • @CappuccinoZilla

    @CappuccinoZilla

    5 ай бұрын

    @@yummytummy88lol no he said how he felt, and then you drew some strange weirdly specific conclusion in your head

  • @micsp1
    @micsp16 ай бұрын

    China is a country existed thousands of years, it doesn't think the way John thinks, because America had showcased to China and the world, if you want to dictate the world like the US have been doing, you will get in a lot of troubles that is not necessary for you. Winning respect is far more important than letting others fear you.

  • @4x4r974

    @4x4r974

    6 ай бұрын

    china is not a country that has existed for thousands of years. it has not existed even for 100 years. it is a young country with no culture. all the culture was erased in the 'cultural revolution'.

  • @szolanek

    @szolanek

    6 ай бұрын

    I would add, the so called Chinese wall was Roman wall. Romans built it for trade. It was a road, defended from booth sides, not only one as they claim.

  • @phyybalance2601

    @phyybalance2601

    6 ай бұрын

    Win what? China has been around for thousands of years she doesn't need to win. Just like India, The Great Britain, all of the European countries, all of the countries around the globe, and the US, we are all people of earth. Why one has to claim to be the winner?

  • @JKTProductionzIncNCo

    @JKTProductionzIncNCo

    6 ай бұрын

    @@szolanek where did you get this information?

  • @szolanek

    @szolanek

    6 ай бұрын

    @@JKTProductionzIncNCo Maybe the best place is Archaix/ YT ... It worked as Amazon. Every X km warehouse, and teams worked only between two, back and forth. Bigger warehouses in Persia and after. Distribution went by orders.

  • @metacomputist
    @metacomputist6 ай бұрын

    "contain", "contain", "contain", ..., "dominate", "dominate", "dominate", ... LOL ... He can't save himself from the imperialist's mindset

  • @iachtulhu1420

    @iachtulhu1420

    6 ай бұрын

    Totally. He has some good points here and there but he's indoctrinated into imperialist hegemony. Not surprising. It's the same school these guys go for their "education".

  • @janewu3178

    @janewu3178

    6 ай бұрын

    No empire can last forever in human history.

  • @mintheman7

    @mintheman7

    5 ай бұрын

    At least he was honest, instead spewing some platitude such as "rule based order" or "spread democracy."

  • @esdeath89

    @esdeath89

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@janewu3178Nothing is forevere. Especially it's true for Empires. One of the secret of USA stability it's not classical imerialism with expansion of land. Anyway It's nowhere a good guys, and good country. Everyone is evil

  • @xandr13

    @xandr13

    4 ай бұрын

    Just a sociopath who's found his calling.

  • @garry137
    @garry1376 ай бұрын

    One of the reasons why US is in wars continuously and constantly is because of the guys like him who never fought a war himself and don’t know the cruelty of wars but insisted others to fight for their dominance, wealth, and fame.

  • @ur-inannak9565

    @ur-inannak9565

    5 ай бұрын

    War is simply a manifestation of power dynamics. As long as interests compete there will be war.

  • @Ultimate.Tennis

    @Ultimate.Tennis

    5 ай бұрын

    You know Mearsheimer served in the military for ten years if you include his time as a cadet.

  • @Norsilca

    @Norsilca

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@Ultimate.Tennis The comment said he never fought a war, not that he didn't serve. That's a big difference. I don't know if it's true but Wikipedia doesn't say anything about him in combat.

  • @Ultimate.Tennis

    @Ultimate.Tennis

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@Norsilca Yes, but it's heavily implied that he hasn't sacrificed for his country given that the comment is lambasting him for exactly that. If there ever was a true american hero it's Mearsheimer; served for a decade and then went on to lead research in theories of international politics and foreign policy.

  • @veduci22

    @veduci22

    5 ай бұрын

    The main reason why US is in wars continuously is because US is pretty much the only maintainer of global order and stability - if you think Putin or CCP would do much better job you're very naive...

  • @maxshapiro8489
    @maxshapiro84896 ай бұрын

    Lex : but war is bad Guest: but not if we win and I’m already dead anyways

  • @j4genius961

    @j4genius961

    6 ай бұрын

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @kabysummit5801
    @kabysummit58016 ай бұрын

    Hi Lex, can you please interview a YTer name Cyrus Janssen? An American reporter currently living in China. He has really good insights into the situations as well. Thanks!

  • @LawasSarawak

    @LawasSarawak

    2 ай бұрын

    i bet lex earn more with his anti China stand

  • @PpJjStock

    @PpJjStock

    Ай бұрын

    @@LawasSarawak And Pro Israel genocidal anti humanity stand too.

  • @mrhdebater1607
    @mrhdebater16076 ай бұрын

    “I don’t tend to think of the world as good guys and bad guys….” - He has to say this to avoid bringing up US war crimes, invasions and political disruptions in dozens of countries for the last 70 years.

  • @OnlineEnglish-wl5rp

    @OnlineEnglish-wl5rp

    6 ай бұрын

    The "Chinese" have done the same all through the last few centuries, invaded Korea, Vietnam and India since WW2. And that's before we consider their internal record. The only reason they don't do more is because they aren't yet powerful enough to do so. The issue with the US is that it said it was doing one thing when really it was doing another. But the idea that the "Chinese", famous throughout Asia for their cruelty, are any better is a joke.

  • @229andymon

    @229andymon

    6 ай бұрын

    Give Mearscheimer his due, he doesn’t shirk from highlighting the past iniquities of US foreign policy.

  • @BleakDeath

    @BleakDeath

    3 ай бұрын

    Ok so bring up all the BS ok the CCP then

  • @PpJjStock

    @PpJjStock

    Ай бұрын

    Well, at least he's not trying to label US the good guys. Better than those ppl.

  • @BleakDeath

    @BleakDeath

    Ай бұрын

    @@PpJjStock the U.S. are the good guys

  • @mottscottison6943
    @mottscottison69436 ай бұрын

    This is what chinese call 以小人之心,度君子之腹。 a small person measuring an honorable person's stomach with his heart, meaning a petty person judging an honourable person based on his own petty intentions.

  • @zarategabe

    @zarategabe

    6 ай бұрын

    aka: projection

  • @User-007imwnx

    @User-007imwnx

    6 ай бұрын

    Honorable? Lol. What honorable gov. would weld people's doors shut during a COVID lockdown to prevent them from going out? Not to mention the ban of all international media in China.

  • @lindenlee3705

    @lindenlee3705

    6 ай бұрын

    Yeah, unfortunately the west is full of 小人, what can you do? Really pathetic!

  • @foodparadise5792

    @foodparadise5792

    6 ай бұрын

    這個所謂的學者病情不輕,還那麽多人quote他說的歪論。恭喜美國有這樣的學者,入魔不回頭快點毀滅不要連累地球蒼生。

  • @elc6895

    @elc6895

    6 ай бұрын

    So true, why not choosing peace option first

  • @zhuangdavid5037
    @zhuangdavid50376 ай бұрын

    Taiwan issue is one of the root cause of friction between US.and China. Taiwan returned to China at the end of WWII, at the cost of 30 millions Chinese lives, but many in US either lost such history dimension, or don't want to acknowledge such due to current politics. According to an article from Congress Library, "The Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945) was one of the most destructive conflicts of World War II... This war marked the culmination of growing Japanese aggression toward China since an earlier Sino-Japanese War (1894-1895). With half of China ruined, 20 million Chinese (military and non-military) dead... the eight-year conflict was one of the bloodiest in world history."

  • @aroonsubway2079

    @aroonsubway2079

    6 ай бұрын

    Taiwan's official name is Republic of China (ROC), according to its own constituion. Mainland China and ROC are still in civil war situation.

  • @zhuangdavid5037

    @zhuangdavid5037

    6 ай бұрын

    true

  • @4x4r974

    @4x4r974

    6 ай бұрын

    You cant "return" millions of people as if they are pawns. China is an expansionist state that has invaded and conquered countless of 'provinces'. It is exactly the reason why it has so many "autonomous regions". The Taiwanese have the right to self-determination. You go to Taiwan and you go anywhere in China (even the 'advanced' coast) and it is night and day. The issue is not the US 'losing the history dimension'. The issue is that the Taiwanese have decided for themselves - and they want nothing to do with a petty dictatorial state.

  • @mowaiken2002101

    @mowaiken2002101

    6 ай бұрын

    rare to see someone who caught eye that china and taiwan still hasnt sign a peace treaty during the civil war until today. so technically speaking if both side want to start fighting, they technically can.

  • @bobdoe38

    @bobdoe38

    6 ай бұрын

    @@aroonsubway2079so the only way China (PRC) will ever go to war over Taiwan is if ROC revises its constitution and split from China proper. This is known and mentioned countless times by the PRC.

  • @sylau1516
    @sylau15166 ай бұрын

    Why American wants to dominate the world? Take care of one's own citizen first. The saying goes take care of your own family before interfering others.

  • @nocrtname

    @nocrtname

    6 ай бұрын

    A lot of Americans feel the same way, and the entire world will be worse off for it. The us is the guarantor of free and stable trade across the oceans. When a regional conflict (or piracy, or whatever) threatens trade routes, the us sends the navy in and makes sure trade flows smoothly. The entire global supply chain, dozens of countries and thousands of products, relies on this cheap and reliable capability of moving parts around the world from mining to refining to manufacturing to assembling to end user delivery. Should the us withdraw from their role, the entire thing is likely to become riskier which means first inflation or unavailability of goods, and then moving production closer to consumption (ie western countries). We got a preview of this during the pandemic, but even a minor increase in shipping costs due to piracy or disruptions would have a much larger impact on availability of goods, energy, food, and medicine. That being said as an American I am all for it. The US pays a significant economic cost to ensure globalization continues smoothly, and the juice is no longer worth the squeeze.

  • @hanmeng4833

    @hanmeng4833

    6 ай бұрын

    Not totally correct😢 Take care of your family. And also love your neighbours.

  • @shuli6021

    @shuli6021

    6 ай бұрын

    no, us created a rule which will benefit itself the most. and then try to break the rule when it found that it benefit other even more...@@nocrtname

  • @jglg7238

    @jglg7238

    5 ай бұрын

    have you not realize that when war is started by amurica u,s they gain alot of profit, amurica makes money out of war, it's what they're good at.

  • @nocrtname

    @nocrtname

    5 ай бұрын

    @@jglg7238 I don't think so, no. Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan blew gigantic holes in the budget and are a large part of the reason for the US' massive government debt. Certain individuals and corporations definitely profit, but neither the US as a whole, nor any nation, for that matter, profits from any prolonged military conflict. This was laid out over 2000 years ago by Sun Tzu and holds true today.

  • @alexanderperry7821
    @alexanderperry78216 ай бұрын

    The reality is that China does business in a far more peaceful and less prescriptive way than the US does. China as the world's dominant superpower in a unipolar world would likely fewer wars, more stability and more peace, based on China's current policy and its outlook.

  • @anonanon7235

    @anonanon7235

    6 ай бұрын

    Yup, China hasn't displayed any desire to control the World as the US has. End of discussion.

  • @chongxina8288

    @chongxina8288

    6 ай бұрын

    @@anonanon7235 You say things like “end of discussion” too. 🤦🏼‍♂️ Who the hell do you think you are? Try leaving the house and talking to people like that. You’ll get snapped in half. You’ve never been close to danger little fella. You’re clearly more of an indoor cat. 🤣

  • @creatormaxi8324

    @creatormaxi8324

    6 ай бұрын

    Because USA and some Europe countries are robbers.

  • @jennyfromtheblock.7153

    @jennyfromtheblock.7153

    6 ай бұрын

    Are you serious? Many of their own people don’t believe this. They come here, traditionally we don’t go there. They send their families here… the US is the most self flagellating group of folks!! It’s so absurd… always downing our country and what we have and not having the self respect to do anything about these constant grievances. Americans are ridiculous… while ppl walk thousands of miles to get through the border… smh

  • @nevigodstanson7160

    @nevigodstanson7160

    6 ай бұрын

    Why would China bother to use force, they hoped to dominate the world through sheer size of their economy. Hard to think otherwise, when your GDP is growing like a bamboo.

  • @ayadbabaa6193
    @ayadbabaa61936 ай бұрын

    John: The Middle East could be a proxy for US vs China. Lex: Oh boy!

  • @Christopol

    @Christopol

    6 ай бұрын

    Instead if being a bitch to 1 superpower, it gonna be bitch to 2, then with India s rise, it gonna be bitch to 3...so badass

  • @jmssun

    @jmssun

    6 ай бұрын

    About freaking time someone gives his naive optimism a wake up call 😂😂😂

  • @rageburst

    @rageburst

    6 ай бұрын

    Lex finally feels the fear that all realists feel. The fear comes and is embedded firmly into the causal logic of balance of power theory.

  • @thevictoriakent

    @thevictoriakent

    6 ай бұрын

    He's Russian. He is well aware of the history of Middle East and Africa and Latin America more than an average American. I mean there are actual songs about no effing with the middle east. The fact that Honduras is on the hearts of everyone. And African murders at the hands of French and British.

  • @Go4Broke247

    @Go4Broke247

    6 ай бұрын

    The thing is that China mediated for Saudi Arabia and Iran to stop fighting.

  • @gullwang2020
    @gullwang20206 ай бұрын

    dominating others by undermining them, what a world we are living in

  • @loremasteringwion9930

    @loremasteringwion9930

    6 ай бұрын

    China’s no 1 playbook

  • @zsarimaxim692

    @zsarimaxim692

    6 ай бұрын

    @@loremasteringwion9930 That has always been the no 1 playbook for the US as John Mearsheimer has pointed out in many of his lectures. China through 2 thousand years of history on the other hand, knows very well it's a fool's errant trying to undermine others as there will always be another power rising. The cost of doing that globally and constantly is far greater than focusing on one's own advancement.

  • @LawasSarawak

    @LawasSarawak

    2 ай бұрын

    @@loremasteringwion9930 copied from CIA

  • @yu-jd5jg
    @yu-jd5jg6 ай бұрын

    China is not interested in Dominating other countries. Neither China can accept other countries' trying to Dominate China. China always emphasizes Mutual Respect and Win-Win Trade with big and small countries

  • @claudiocarrera9552

    @claudiocarrera9552

    6 ай бұрын

    Long live Tibet

  • @herrwolf5184

    @herrwolf5184

    6 ай бұрын

    @@claudiocarrera9552 Long live PRC

  • @free_manipur_from_india

    @free_manipur_from_india

    6 ай бұрын

    @@claudiocarrera9552Free Hawaii, Free Syria, Free USA from the British colonizer descendants

  • @WingkKong

    @WingkKong

    6 ай бұрын

    ​ Tibet is part of China

  • @user-ie2bx2dd7e

    @user-ie2bx2dd7e

    6 ай бұрын

    @@claudiocarrera9552 I just visited Tibetan region during one week. The tibetan people's living is surely much more happy than that of a poor toll of a Western propaganda.

  • @Socrates311
    @Socrates3116 ай бұрын

    a fatigue young man and an energetic old man.

  • @7hx89

    @7hx89

    6 ай бұрын

    Except that the doomsday reality makes him fatigue, while the other still lives in the past glory of a failing Empire.

  • @freegatemy
    @freegatemy6 ай бұрын

    Invite Kishore Mahbubani to give you a more all rounded viewpoint, the Americans need to be educated that you are not exceptional and coexistence with the rest of the world is key to your survival, the Chinese civilisation has survived for thousands of year, learn from them instead of shunning and fearing them as enemy

  • @kaichen9903
    @kaichen99036 ай бұрын

    for the past 2K year, China did not "LOSE" for most of time. US just won for the past 50 years.

  • @vkopper2213

    @vkopper2213

    6 ай бұрын

    拜托不要这么嘲讽人家,给这个年轻的国家一点尊重,然后静静地看着它消失就可以了🤣

  • @clarezhao3071

    @clarezhao3071

    28 күн бұрын

    @@vkopper2213即便我们这代看不到,我们的子孙会看到。就像我们的先辈打了三代人的仗,最终我们这代见证了国家的富强。

  • @yiluis1316
    @yiluis13166 ай бұрын

    The USA government doesn't have a long term plan like the CPC. Their economy is based on warmongering and asserting their dominance through colonial ways. If they lose their status as a hegemon, they will get poorer and poorer not only because they don't have much things to offer to other countries, but because much of their economy have been historically based on colonialism, and that's mostly their only way of thinking; John is literally projecting his thoughts onto the chinese, which have a very different mindset when it comes to relationship with other countries and growth. The chinese have a long term plan, be it with the african continent or with their neighbouring countries. They just mostly trade and take it with time.

  • @loremasteringwion9930

    @loremasteringwion9930

    6 ай бұрын

    So you think America’s post WW2 prosperity was due to colonialism? Lol

  • @yiluis1316

    @yiluis1316

    6 ай бұрын

    @@loremasteringwion9930 It's literally the case. Even after WWII. Massive foreign brain importing (many nazi scientists came to the US starting a new life); selling arms thru foreign political interventions; many wars started seeking for raw materials; sactioning all the rivals that posed as an economic thread to their hegemon position in the global economy, even if "free trade" was their moto. The fact that most of the yearly budget goes into defense speaks for itself, there's no way around how important the weapon industry is, and how much they need to mantain it thru regular military interventions and thru the meddling into other countries affairs. The US has barely 200 years of history, yet they have been in every kind of warmongering conflict for all those 200 years.

  • @loremasteringwion9930

    @loremasteringwion9930

    6 ай бұрын

    @@yiluis1316 Going to war is not necessarily an evil thing. The US fought against the Nazis in WW2, and fought against Communism in the Korean War and Vietnam. The US fought to preserve freedom and democracy in most wars. Were there wars fought that were wrong? Sure, but that was because Americans were deceived by the deep state to attack Iraq. Plus, we were attacked during 9/11. China on the other hand is deeply nationalistic and expansion oriented. China is authoritarian and has killed and oppressed their own citizens while seeking to bully other countries.

  • @OnlineEnglish-wl5rp

    @OnlineEnglish-wl5rp

    6 ай бұрын

    China has colonies in Tibet, Xinjiang and southern Mongolia and since WW2 have invaded Korea, India and Vietnam while currently preparing to invade Taiwan. The Chinese have to claim Western wealth is based on having historic empires because it hurts them to admit that our scientific and industrial revolutions made the modern world and its infinitely improved living conditions for the whole of mankind. Why can't they admit this (even while using on the technology we invented wearing the clothes we created)? Because they lie to themselves about their "centrality" to human history... the "Middle Kingdom". The fact is the rest of the world doesn't care and no one wants to be like the Chinese like countless people dream of being American. The Chinese also lie to themselves about their long term plans. I lived in China for three years and I used to laugh at how quickly everything changed. Agreements and contracts are meaningless so the idea that you can plan long term with such a mindset is laughable. Australia changed tack and straight away China, in a hissy fit, imposed sanctions on them. This in turn further alienated Australia and led to AUKUS. So hardly the long term patient step by step approach you claim. Lol Africa - the One Belt One Road project is already going bust there

  • @bigkingspeakerdwestemperor5068

    @bigkingspeakerdwestemperor5068

    6 ай бұрын

    China having a hundred year plan wont matter if a demographic crisis destroys their economy...

  • @afunguynamedkawhi7959
    @afunguynamedkawhi79596 ай бұрын

    Chinese ancient tried and true strategy is to put yourself in an unbeatable position and wait for its adversaries fading away. Another Chinese wisdom is "regardless of how powerful a state is, fighting endless wars will doom itself", 国虽大,好战必亡。 While John is straight forward his understanding of security is very different than China.

  • @OnlineEnglish-wl5rp

    @OnlineEnglish-wl5rp

    6 ай бұрын

    If the Chinese are so clever and learned so much from history why have they blown the biggest property bubble ever? Didn't you see how it turned out in the West in 2008? ; ) The truth about China and warfare is that its armed forces are a joke so it pretends to be peace loving

  • @saintsrulz

    @saintsrulz

    5 ай бұрын

    The difference between western and eastern thought. The modern west is just Rome rebuilt. Rome had the same standard and strategy of building economy and controlling population with constant conflicts. The US and Europe have tag teamed the modern world with these traits.

  • @OnlineEnglish-wl5rp

    @OnlineEnglish-wl5rp

    5 ай бұрын

    @@saintsrulz The West's economy is built on the legacy of the scientific and industrial revolutions "China" is literally born of conflict and invasion and the reason the rest of Asia is allied with America is precisely because they don't like Chinese domination

  • @oddsman01
    @oddsman016 ай бұрын

    “I don’t tend to think of the world as good guys and bad guys….” Agreed. The good vs. evil narrative is exhausting and counterproductive if you’re truly making a good faith effort to resolve conflicts.

  • @fractalelf7760

    @fractalelf7760

    6 ай бұрын

    Tell that to Islam which defacto defines non-Muslims as enemies with a political mandate to replace all non-Sharia governments with caliphates. There cannot be good faith there, the problem with the speaker is he sees “states” in an old Cold War mentality. As for “good guys vs. bad guys”, if you’re committed to human rights it’s pretty clear. You wouldn’t equate say Democrats and Republicans, why on Earth would you just act like there’s no difference in political beliefs, it drives everything. His Boomer generation made this fundamental error in thinking all too often, conflating group self-interest as meaning they are all “the same”; they most surely are not.

  • @abc0to1

    @abc0to1

    6 ай бұрын

    Agreed. The U.S. should not have dealt with Saddam and Gaddafi as bad guys either.

  • @jhonsmithy2873

    @jhonsmithy2873

    6 ай бұрын

    But china is actually a godamn evil country

  • @ceroid3752

    @ceroid3752

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@abc0to1Especially since compared to the US government, those two guys were very good guys.

  • @Hayekenshort

    @Hayekenshort

    6 ай бұрын

    well the bad guys are bush nd clitons, not sayin sadam nd khadafi are gud neither.the world outside western propaguanda knows that US killed milions for oil nd dollar hegemony. fact

  • @lexliu1736
    @lexliu17366 ай бұрын

    all I hear is : DOMINANT! all he cares is : DOMINANCE! what makes him thinking that only him and his "elite class" deserve good life? can't imagine this kinda person is an nternational relations scholar...

  • @iachtulhu1420

    @iachtulhu1420

    6 ай бұрын

    He's an US imperialist through and through. No matter he's often critical of US, he's still supports it's domination and sphere of influence.

  • @Heeroyui752

    @Heeroyui752

    4 күн бұрын

    He is a realist, that's the philosophy. That states will act in their own best interest. So the best way to protect your interest is to make sure no one can dominate you.

  • @Luddibuddi
    @Luddibuddi6 ай бұрын

    Shouldn’t even be that kind of competition, we should all be supporting each other whenever they need it as if you’re supporting yourself to reach your best wellness and health

  • @drleishaobo
    @drleishaobo6 ай бұрын

    I am Chinese, I didn’t know we are supposed to be the bad guys.😂

  • @botleydot

    @botleydot

    6 ай бұрын

    It's not about Chinese People. It's about your childish authoritarian government. If China was a healthy and free democracy it would be completely different.

  • @erikm9768

    @erikm9768

    6 ай бұрын

    @@botleydottrump isn’t childish then?

  • @airborndick2321

    @airborndick2321

    6 ай бұрын

    @@botleydot The so-called "democracy" is just a big f*ing lie, the whole election system is basicly owned by big coperation & special interest group,and you think they will work for the people? If you think the government of China is childish,then I guess you just need to watch less propaganda, which is from almost every media outlet owned by coperations.

  • @changotv5847

    @changotv5847

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@erikm9768how is it being so obsessed with Trump? He just loves rent free in your head, huh? Biden is 100 times worse. get over it

  • @changotv5847

    @changotv5847

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@ohgoditsmaddogi have been to China and i would never want to go back

  • @adamyuewu
    @adamyuewu6 ай бұрын

    Funny to see this, bully is worrying about the guys he bullied will come back stronger and unified after the school break.

  • @bohanxu6125
    @bohanxu61256 ай бұрын

    I can't believe the blatant tribalism coming from John Mearsheimer at 0:52. He is basically saying, "I want US to dominate not because US has a better system. I want US to dominate because I was born in US". Such thinking just feels so backward to me. As smart as he is, he must have thought about tribalism and whether its manifestations are good or bad for human well being.

  • @tomtube1012

    @tomtube1012

    6 ай бұрын

    He's always been like that. The reason he doesn't want a conflict with Russia is so US can concentrate on China, not because he wants peace. People mistakenly think he is pro-peace.

  • @Godfrey544

    @Godfrey544

    6 ай бұрын

    I agree. As a Brazilian I prefer an American led order because the USA as a free market economy allows me to participate in the American structure and even rise to the top as so many top ceo types in the USA are actually foreigners. China isn’t like that and only mainland ethnic Han Chinese will be prioritized in a Chinese led world order. So any non Chinese citizen rooting for China is being extremely silly

  • @abc0to1

    @abc0to1

    6 ай бұрын

    Mearsheimer is a realist, but realists in general do not ultimately trust international law or the tolerance of other nations. No matter how great a political system China has and how many people it makes happy, they do not welcome its rise. Because that would put the survival of the United States in China's hands.

  • @notthaticare5072

    @notthaticare5072

    6 ай бұрын

    In which scenario will you feel secure 1- you monopolize all the gun or 2- when the other guy monopolize it so him wanting for US to dominate is a realistic approach no

  • @bohanxu6125

    @bohanxu6125

    6 ай бұрын

    @@notthaticare5072 You didn't get my point. My point is about tribalism... about favoring something for the well being of humanity, or favoring something just because of selfishness on a social group level. I think a compassionate person (someone who value the well being of others) should advocate giving the guns to someone who can maintain the world order peacefully (or whatever other desired outcomes) regardless which country the person is accidentally born into. (Of course, you question is supposing monopolizing guns by one party must happen)

  • @farignar
    @farignar6 ай бұрын

    I think a war between USA and China is honestly the last thing either country would want. The amount of western companies in China is crazy, Apple, Prada, almost all fast food chains, alcohol companies, huge retailers like target and Walmart, etc. a population of 1.4Billion is a ton of dollar signs for us companies, and China still provides the west with, well, almost everything if you look in your house haha. A fight between the USA and China would be an economic apocalypse for both countries. It’s better that we get along peacefully for as long as we can. I’m not a Chinese simp, but I really do admire Xis cool headed demeanor.. I just am a bit worried when trump will get in office if he’ll start another trade war

  • @footlessbird1998

    @footlessbird1998

    6 ай бұрын

    Actually in China we don’t care that much about politics. I have seen a lot of videos about politics on KZread. In fact, as people, we cannot choose our government, but we can still live a good life for ourselves. War between governments is not what we should be concerned about. In fact, what we need to focus on is the economy, unemployment rate and the people's livelihood of our own country. In fact, for the United States, its bad relationship with China will cause great losses to American companies... The same is true for China

  • @mintheman7

    @mintheman7

    5 ай бұрын

    Biden kept most of Trump's trade war and added his own. It's not a partisan issue, since military-industrial complex owns both parties.

  • @romanmanner

    @romanmanner

    3 ай бұрын

    The UK and German economies were intimately involved by 1913. That didn’t stop WWI. Economics only explains part of the world, but not the whole thing. There are rationales beyond the market that drive decision making. Nationalism itself is but one; political desperation another, religion, etc.

  • @hubewa24

    @hubewa24

    26 күн бұрын

    The trade war never stopped with Biden... It intensified

  • @user-tm4eq7vw7w
    @user-tm4eq7vw7w6 ай бұрын

    John is an honest guy,he just speaks straightly and openly that all his opinion is upon the security and interest of American, not about so called bullish as human rights, democracy...and so on.

  • @choisamwon2344
    @choisamwon23446 ай бұрын

    I can understand why native Indians were all eliminated by the mind set of John and his ancestors in America.

  • @highoctaneharry
    @highoctaneharry6 ай бұрын

    Trying to understand the Eastern mindset from the Western perspective… we’re talking collective vs individual. Something tells me they look at their role in the world differently than what’s explained here

  • @levelazn

    @levelazn

    6 ай бұрын

    100 percent. hence the difference in political model.

  • @SolarityVision

    @SolarityVision

    5 ай бұрын

    Can’t say anything about Korea or Japan as I don’t have much knowledge about those histories, but referring China as a “collective” is incredibly laughable when you look at their history.

  • @levelazn

    @levelazn

    3 ай бұрын

    @@SolarityVision why is it laughable. ?

  • @laiguangda
    @laiguangda6 ай бұрын

    John M is highly intelligent and articulate in his own way, though I would argue that offensive realism is not the only survival strategy as he assumes, especially in the nuclear age. Even so, I feel more comfortable listening to him as he sounds more honest and consistent than the US foreign policy makers. The full interview is much better.

  • @spm_hcmc

    @spm_hcmc

    6 ай бұрын

    He would like Russia and China to rule the world. Chomsky school

  • @fingerprint8479

    @fingerprint8479

    6 ай бұрын

    Mearsheimer does not see his theories as the leading or the only in existence. He recognizes he can be wrong and in many cases even declares he would like to be wrong. His points are very consistent and, as time have proven, most of his decades old views turned out to be correct.

  • @SamuelSo1018

    @SamuelSo1018

    6 ай бұрын

    西方学者为了KPI,杜撰一些稀奇古怪的名词,一天到晚念经,这很好😂他的书在国内都被分析的差不多了,垃圾而已

  • @19447427
    @194474276 ай бұрын

    China been on the table for at least 2500yrs, it saw other empires rise n fall, n it's still on the table. It's only a matter of time for asia to go back to its historic norm.

  • @loremasteringwion9930

    @loremasteringwion9930

    6 ай бұрын

    Ok wumao

  • @19447427

    @19447427

    6 ай бұрын

    @@loremasteringwion9930 nmsl

  • @OnlineEnglish-wl5rp

    @OnlineEnglish-wl5rp

    6 ай бұрын

    "China" is a Western idea adopted by Han nationalists in the early 20th century. It's really an area of land which various people have fought over, rather like Europe. But the Chinese are so sore about the West making the modern world and "humiliating" them in the 19th century (seriously, every country has lost wars, try not to be so neurotic) that it has to invent this "thousands of years of history" fable to make itself feel better. And of course to justify the PRC retaining its colonies in Tibet, Xinjiang and southern Mongolia. "China"'s property bubble is slowly bleeding the country, the African loans are going sour, it's going to unleash another pandemic and it's going to lash out over Taiwan... and it will be hilarious to watch it all unfurl.

  • @19447427

    @19447427

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp firstly, nationalism appears in europe for like 200 yrs but if you check chinese history, the Han ppl been calling themself Han for at least 1500yrs already, idont think its something adopted for a short period of time. Han ppl is very clear about their own identity, even during mongolian and manchu occupation. in terms of "thousands yrs of history", its just their, clear written. if you dont believe it, so be it. i can say western historys fake too if you think PRC or CCP goverment is using whatever things there are too achive its goal, or to "brainwash" its ppl . the western goverments is doing it too, its politic, everyones the same, they do dirty things they do propoganda sorta things too. theres really no right or wrong. they are just doing their job. if you hate china for this, i can only assume you are little too navie,or you are just deliberatly picking side. China does experiencing some debt problem now, but its not that leathal, the world is in a systmatic depression now, go check US debt or UK or other economy if you like. statisticly the world economy is mostly depending on China n US now. n nether is good now I been europe, gradulate from US, been living the west for many yrs. if you never been China n got all your info from west media n believe that China is going to fail easily. from my perspective, you r hilarious too. its funny china been collapsing in the western media for at least 20yrs, some time its the wests top threat, its terrible like the soviet. sometime its going to collapse, so week and vulnerable. dont you think thats hilarious too?

  • @OnlineEnglish-wl5rp

    @OnlineEnglish-wl5rp

    2 ай бұрын

    @@user-4399 You only have to read the actual historical record. Read about the exchanges between Han nationalists and Westerners in Bill Hayton's book "The Invention of China"

  • @bobdoe38
    @bobdoe386 ай бұрын

    Strange question. China doesn’t have any territorial ambitions, haven’t fought a war since 1979, nor tried to underhandedly topple legitimate governments like what happened more famously in the Arab Spring, Maidan uprising, orange movement, and many places like the former Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Haiti, Hong Kong, etc. China is only in the economic competition, and for that it will surely win, because its people work harder and smarter than anyone else.

  • @albertsnow7111

    @albertsnow7111

    6 ай бұрын

    Because ancient China is too big, we have enough land, resources and culture. And Qin dynasty unit the country just like European, but happen before thousands of years. If you know China modern history, it's from China UK war. Because China no need to buy UK products and forbidden UK sale opium. So UK need balance the trade of import and export. UK and other western countries is from limited of land and resources environment, even USA is big enough, but the culture is inherited.

  • @rap3208

    @rap3208

    6 ай бұрын

    @@albertsnow7111 The US is bigger than China, it didn't stop it from acquiring and dominating lands even thousands of miles from it, and of course there are the 800 bases around the world designed to protect its hegemony. That is the difference between US and China nature.

  • @DaGoook

    @DaGoook

    6 ай бұрын

    More like 'strange statement,' that being that the CCP doesn't possess any territorial ambitions. Perhaps you'd benefit from a quick google search on the topic.

  • @bobdoe38

    @bobdoe38

    6 ай бұрын

    @@DaGoook how many wars have China fought over territory since the founding of the country in 1949? ZERO. How’s that for no territorial ambitions?

  • @DaGoook

    @DaGoook

    6 ай бұрын

    @@bobdoe38 They fought with the Indians you forget? They also fought with Vietnam and the Koreans/Americans, ahh but you’ll say those don’t count because wars are cool as long as it’s not for territory lol

  • @Wing-ix6wj
    @Wing-ix6wj6 ай бұрын

    I find John Mearsheimer's theory makes good sense. However, I just could not figure out how small countries would do about it, if seeking hegemony is inevitable survival needs structurally enforced...

  • @bjarkerugsted7539

    @bjarkerugsted7539

    6 ай бұрын

    there is nothing to do about it for a small country, you do pretty much what the regional hedgemon tells you to do, maybe you will try to fight for interpendence with the aid of an alternative hedgemon or maybe but highly unlikely you will attempt to balance against the regional hedgemon by teaming up with other small countries in order to contrain the hedgemon in some way, sort of like europe teamed up againstthe soviet union after the 2nd world war with the aid of the alternative hedgemon (USA)

  • @frankjennings4489

    @frankjennings4489

    6 ай бұрын

    @@bjarkerugsted7539Exactly. That is what Asia is doing right now. Japan, S. Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, and Taiwan are all US allies because they have a mutual interest in containing China. India rides the fence because they also want to contain China, but are a semi-great power in their own right and don’t want to be controlled by the US.

  • @typicalKAMBlover21

    @typicalKAMBlover21

    6 ай бұрын

    @@frankjennings4489Japan’s national security is controlled by US. Other than that, no other countries you talked about want to be US’s proxy for a war with China. Just remember what US did to Cuba, which was trying to be the proxy for Soviet. Violating the security concerns of your regional hegemon as a small country is painful.

  • @rageburst

    @rageburst

    6 ай бұрын

    Offensive realism mostly applies to great powers, and they will seek to maximize power as they fear other states. For minor powers it is similar, but they would need to fear great powers more and need to be even more careful. They would not be able to use strategies that great powers use whenever they want such as balancing. Instead they're more restricted to appeasing, buckpassing, and bandwagoning to name a few. If the great power is distracted like Russia, it can make its move like what Azerbaijan did to Armenia. In the case of Ukraine, it was in an ideal place with weak Europe on the left and a weakening Russia on the right. The best strategy would be to be neutral in this particular case because it could have played both sides as a neutral buffer state while accepting that it has a limited right of self-determination with Russia next door. Instead of taking advantage of this situation, it got baited by USA into becoming a de facto NATO ally, spooking Russia in the process, and ultimately getting wrecked.

  • @lucasgrey9794

    @lucasgrey9794

    6 ай бұрын

    It's simple. Small countries shouldn't exist.

  • @7hx89
    @7hx896 ай бұрын

    China Russian and Iran together - and “never though about it” and it’s only “possible”? How wise. It’s a hard reality now and it’s the US who has single-handedly created such allies. Lex is a good guy with all the right questions to challenge the status quo - the unjustified US unipolar hegemon.

  • @7hx89

    @7hx89

    6 ай бұрын

    4:47

  • @smithnwesson990

    @smithnwesson990

    5 ай бұрын

    That doesn't make sense. Isnt Russia crying about NATO having an alliance and didn't the Soviet Union literally force how many countries into an alliance? Say what you want about the US but it doesn't force NATO members to stay. Lest you forgot about China invading Vietnam again in the late 70s or brutal repression of Tibet? But yes they are truly righteous. Bad USA 😂

  • @byproduct8849
    @byproduct88496 ай бұрын

    psychopathy seems to be normal....

  • @Jeff-ie6ek
    @Jeff-ie6ek6 ай бұрын

    Thank you John for your honesty on human nature, that each person always wants his/her own country to dominate. And it's precisely this human nature, making peace and coexistence impossible. At least John puts it fairly that it's us vs. them, not the good vs. evil. Because at the end of the day, no state can stand on the moral high ground and claim itself as the innocent one.

  • @Christopol

    @Christopol

    6 ай бұрын

    Bro, we need an alien to come to earth, then we all human will unite. It is not good vs. evil, it is us vs. them.

  • @jukio02

    @jukio02

    6 ай бұрын

    @@Christopol All we have to do is wait until humans finally leave Earth, then Earth will be united. You see, once human civilization starts to spread outside of Earth, we will need to be united in order to be the center of authority for all human society. It may not be exactly perfect, but if Earth is not united, then humans living off planet will be able to do whatever they want, and they may become more powerful than Earth someday.

  • @FOXofOJAI

    @FOXofOJAI

    6 ай бұрын

    Well, there is certainly no state that can claim to be "morally perfect". However, some states are certainly worse than others. I don't think Nazi Germany dominating the west would have been a good thing for anyone. It is true that humans inherently seek to defend their tribe (their country). But you can't oversimplify here...

  • @Vasilefs_Terranorum

    @Vasilefs_Terranorum

    6 ай бұрын

    There are plenty of individuals who aren’t interested in tribalistic nationalism and care about the advancement of the human species as a whole rather than the area of dirt they happened to be born in. There are also those who don’t identity with any one country at all and view themselves as human first and foremost rather than British, Indian, Arab etc. I count myself among that group and I certainly don’t care for any one country to dominate all others at the expense of human interests.

  • @radiosparrow851

    @radiosparrow851

    6 ай бұрын

    That’s not true, I don’t want China to dominate, many things are beyond Chinese knowledge to be THE judge, getting involved means taking care of all stakeholders, and if you don’t, that’s the world we are in. 🤷🏻‍♂️ so think about it, what western media have done so that you even think it’s human nature to want own country to dominate. And if we really look beyond to the galaxy, without a willingly unified earth, I think it’s just absurd to seek extraterrestrial contacts. What if some aliens do the same as USA to TaiWan? So communism Chinese disagreed with the ‘world’ and developed a unique identity and therefore they are not earthlings?😂

  • @foodparadise5792
    @foodparadise57926 ай бұрын

    這個所謂的學者病情不輕。

  • @aredtomato8957

    @aredtomato8957

    6 ай бұрын

    那位学者就是阴阳怪气的 😂 可是评论区里头一堆看影片不用脑的。

  • @shuli6021

    @shuli6021

    6 ай бұрын

    美国学者的水平。。。感觉更像是动物。。没进化好

  • @user-gr5mz8hq2s

    @user-gr5mz8hq2s

    6 ай бұрын

    这学者还自认为自己很牛 🤣

  • @jorgemonzuzs1838
    @jorgemonzuzs18385 ай бұрын

    You shouldn't want domination you should want equilibrium

  • @greenstar948
    @greenstar9486 ай бұрын

    In the last 3 decades, China has taken approx 600-700 Million ppl.out of abject poverty. People dont beg or die hungry like the used to in China, or like they do all over Asia-especilly India(the next Billion+ population). Whereas in America, mor and more people are going under the poverty line.

  • @veduci22

    @veduci22

    5 ай бұрын

    All that thanks to global capitalism!

  • @tomgribb3903
    @tomgribb39036 ай бұрын

    I'ts not if, its when.

  • @DinoMan_6
    @DinoMan_65 ай бұрын

    "An intense security competition, where there is no shooting.....or if there is shooting there are "proxies doing the fighting"...much like the Vietnam War." - Mearsheimer

  • @tyme5837
    @tyme58375 күн бұрын

    richer or poorer, people should still be respected

  • @danthedoozy9472
    @danthedoozy94726 ай бұрын

    Every country is what it is today because of the lessons learned by the countries and cultures who came before. In hindsight we can see clearly the good things other "tribes" brought to the table. My hope is that this trend continues and that regardless of country of origin we remember what has been shown to work and continue to advance as a species. I believe the more we learn from the past and from each other, the less likely we are to experience conflict. We are certainly better off than we were in the Dark Ages and the Renaissance. I believe this trend will continue.

  • @Blake4625kHz

    @Blake4625kHz

    6 ай бұрын

    You have much more faith than me.

  • @Jokerwolf666

    @Jokerwolf666

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@Blake4625kHzI think a lot of people are very jaded who live in the United States because they don't trust each other as much as other places.

  • @Blake4625kHz

    @Blake4625kHz

    6 ай бұрын

    @@Jokerwolf666 By that same rational, everywhere else, people are not jaded and trust their governments way too much. Time will tell

  • @festeradams3972

    @festeradams3972

    6 ай бұрын

    If you were right, HIstory wouldn't repeat itself. Or as Mark Twain said "It may not repeat exactly, but it sure rhymes alot."

  • @Jokerwolf666

    @Jokerwolf666

    6 ай бұрын

    @@Blake4625kHz oh it is definitely a two-way street for sure

  • @panzhou2803
    @panzhou28036 ай бұрын

    the interviewer is much more smart than the intervieweeeee....😂

  • @jeanqnguyen4542
    @jeanqnguyen45425 ай бұрын

    Not if, when. They’re experienced in warfare, thousands of years under their belt

  • @MrSilus2000
    @MrSilus20006 ай бұрын

    "2 frauds sitting down for a chat"

  • @yifuhood
    @yifuhood6 ай бұрын

    John s idea left 2 very important element, culture or historical Impact, And morality. I think of country as a person. Because it’s a collective mind of human and operate by human. If you think of a person, It does not only operate by rational, it has to do with the personality which related to the person personal history. And if you want this person to exist in a society, morality takes place as well. It must behave in certain boundaries. Especially being a leader of a group, he must give in certain amount fair and justice for its own survival in the long-term .

  • @blakespower
    @blakespower6 ай бұрын

    then the USA will have to get a better government that helps its own citizens?

  • @papillon5537
    @papillon55376 ай бұрын

    Oh it’s good debate

  • @lucasnunes8432
    @lucasnunes84326 ай бұрын

    I think the Prozy wars would be in south america, venezuela, Brasil and Guiana

  • @WewasKangs-bd9eb
    @WewasKangs-bd9eb6 ай бұрын

    This is effin lunacy. So hard for a non-psychopathic normie to realize super powers look for proxies to attack their foes with. Sort of like trying to fight your neighbors using kids of other neighbours.

  • @mezzuna
    @mezzuna6 ай бұрын

    President Xi recently said to Biden something along the lines of: "The last thing in the world we want to become like is you..." Which I thought was interesting

  • @lindenlee3705

    @lindenlee3705

    6 ай бұрын

    Because westerners don’t have a profound understanding of Chinese history and philosophy

  • @WokerThanThou

    @WokerThanThou

    6 ай бұрын

    He was talking about the lack of racial and cultural purity and the inability of authority to be unquestioned.

  • @samsonpoon5268

    @samsonpoon5268

    6 ай бұрын

    Be respected or dominated, we just want respect together, only

  • @JJJ-ss3qq
    @JJJ-ss3qq6 ай бұрын

    If or when?

  • @anabkhan4655
    @anabkhan465519 күн бұрын

    Being a student of International Relations, I really find his views of the most interesting. He thinks and says realist, keeping his emotions separate from his views and his understanding of the world.

  • @headyboi7877
    @headyboi78776 ай бұрын

    What about the thousands of years where China was the leader.. and chose to not invade the whole planet like you know who….

  • @user-ek4ic2ip9e

    @user-ek4ic2ip9e

    6 ай бұрын

    So many things wrong in this post. You’re probably just a troll who won’t read this so my reply will be to the non-trolls who might read it. 1) China was a major regional power at a time when technology did not allow for global domination like it does in a post-industrial world. It did everything it could to dominate its neighbors to the maximum extent allowed by the technology of its time. Lack of far-reaching imperialism due to ancient technology doesn’t make you virtuous. 2) China has one of the most bloody internal histories of any civilization in history. In the Three Kingdoms war it is estimated to have lost 70% of its population. The most recent civil strife, the Communist period, claimed almost 50 million. So it did its fair share of killing, just to its own people. 3) “Invade the whole planet” is a laughably childish exaggeration. At the conclusion of the Second World War, during which the US defeated China’s worst enemy the Japanese Empire (and received literally no gratitude from China, btw), the US had the world’s dominant military and economy and a monopoly on the nuclear bomb. What did the US do with that overwhelming advantage? Did it brutalize and flatten anyone who opposed it like Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan? No, it actually rebuilt Western Europe through the Marshall Plan and rehabilitated Japan into the world’s #2 economy.

  • @chuyaochen1829

    @chuyaochen1829

    6 ай бұрын

    I will debunk myth after my lunch.

  • @cburgess2805

    @cburgess2805

    6 ай бұрын

    China dominated the vietnamese for 1000 years bro

  • @blubirdhill2608

    @blubirdhill2608

    6 ай бұрын

    SO much chinese propaganda in this comment section. Those Bejing comment farms sure are busy.

  • @cburgess2805

    @cburgess2805

    6 ай бұрын

    @@blubirdhill2608 I'd like to think so, but in my experience it's also the thoughts of your average Chinese American/Australian/Canadian, etc.

  • @qiangwang9514
    @qiangwang95146 ай бұрын

    It is a very interesting thing. Even mearsheimer already said China is enemy, his thoughts are popular in China and lot of Chinese agreed. Samething happened in just passed away Dr.Kissinger.

  • @footlessbird1998

    @footlessbird1998

    6 ай бұрын

    I have never heard of this person. Is he famous? In fact, we in China don’t care about international politics, we only care about our country’s territorial integrity. We know that if we were torn apart we would be very poor. Because many local economies have been transferred from wealthy cities to poor areas, Such as Shanghai, Guangzhou and Shenzhen Wait for the economy of rich cities to transfer to Guangxi Tibet Xinjiang Northeast -------

  • @thefabledenglishman6000

    @thefabledenglishman6000

    5 ай бұрын

    @@footlessbird1998 In theoretical and academic circles, Mearsheimer is extremely famous. For obvious reasons, Chinese theorists have tended not to prefer the Liberal branches of IR theory (largely because they tend to favour the rule-based order in which China is certainly not dominant) and have instead favoured realism as the basis for modern Chinese IR thought - i.e. theories derived from the likes of Morgenthau, Huntington (whose "Clash of Civilisations" is quite popular in Chinese circles relative to the West, where it is seen as somewhat racist), Kenneth Waltz, etc. The best known example is probably Tsinghua University's Yan Xuetong and his moral realist theory.

  • @fengchunzhai2267
    @fengchunzhai226727 күн бұрын

    Wisdom comes from history, long history produces great wisdom, and short history produces limited wisdom/smartness. Professor John Mearsheimer's word is smart.

  • @jasonb111222
    @jasonb1112225 ай бұрын

    You could equally treat all of humanity as a black box instead, for the net benefit of all rather then just some of the smaller constituents.

  • @jxmai7687
    @jxmai76876 ай бұрын

    is he racists? 🤔

  • @user-tz1pr1ps2o

    @user-tz1pr1ps2o

    6 ай бұрын

    All Westerners are, its just a matter of degree.

  • @free_manipur_from_india

    @free_manipur_from_india

    6 ай бұрын

    He's anglosaxons, its in their history, its in his blood, its genetic.

  • @peetymcfly8871
    @peetymcfly88716 ай бұрын

    both countries have the potential to act as the good guy or the bad guy depending on their actions. as a world power, every action they take is under scrutiny. They have a responsibility on their shoulders to set an example and care for those who are vulnerable. if both side stays out of war or conflict then the world will be happy

  • @bhavikyadav2934

    @bhavikyadav2934

    6 ай бұрын

    thts not how world works, every chinese citizen would want china to be global superpower and every american citizen would want america to stay as the global superpower.

  • @coolorochi

    @coolorochi

    6 ай бұрын

    US actions certainly is not under scrutiny, Or nobody can scrutinize it to be precise.

  • @MetaView7

    @MetaView7

    6 ай бұрын

    The Chinese are too smart to be dragged into a conflict. They are traders, not warriors. The Americans can make all kinds of provocations, but they won't be able to move the Chinese. They are too smart.

  • @jz-fr1us
    @jz-fr1us5 ай бұрын

    I actually listened to the entire 3 hours podcast. While Mearsheimer was candid on the US's missteps and responsibilities in Ukraine and Gaza, what he said in this video reveals the root of the US-China conflicts: the US defines its interests as being No. 1 forever. Well, all empires in history eventually fall. China has been there several times in its 5000+ years of history. China, as an entity of a large group of hard-working, smart, industrious people, has existed for thousands of years, and as long as the government does not get in the way, the Chinese will always do well, regardless of the US' definition of its interests.

  • @nunterz
    @nunterz5 ай бұрын

    I love the notion that categorizing international actors as good guys and bad guys lacks a certain nuance but then Mearsheimer says he doesn't discriminate between democracies and autocracies, let's just try to dominate, expect the same from others and that's it. Now that's very nuanced.

  • @iTuber012
    @iTuber0126 ай бұрын

    Very mature perspective. No BS

  • @hakimye3989
    @hakimye39896 ай бұрын

    The United States today is almost the same as China was in the late Ming Dynasty.

  • @larscincaid6348
    @larscincaid63486 ай бұрын

    Great guest

  • @cdan1984
    @cdan19846 ай бұрын

    Before US survive its first 500 years then we may discuss good guys, bad guys, dominance, power, impact. China has been there for at least 4000+ years. There were a lot powerful empires in the human history, only a handful survived. Extremely a few remain strong enough to be discussed.

  • @justgivemethetruth

    @justgivemethetruth

    5 ай бұрын

    Are you thinking that China has been continuously China for that 4000 years? What about all the dynasties they have had, consider the external rule of the Mongol empire/dynasty, and the Communist revolution. I'm just saying that 4000 year old number is not so simple as it seems.

  • @veduci22

    @veduci22

    5 ай бұрын

    CCP has been ruling China for only 74 years, your "thousand or years of China" is straight from CCP propaganda rule book...

  • @shepherdsknoll
    @shepherdsknoll6 ай бұрын

    Not sure the assumption should be that China wants to win. It’s been said that China wants for itself what ever other developed country wants; self-respect, respect from other nations, the ability to provide for its population. Don’t forget that China has suffered at least a century or two from international imperialism, the United States not withstanding.

  • @loremasteringwion9930

    @loremasteringwion9930

    6 ай бұрын

    While it secretly orchestrates the fall of the US

  • @globalprosperity123
    @globalprosperity12327 күн бұрын

    Does Lex Friedman own any stocks in Raytheon or Lockheed Martin?

  • @kahhoeng88
    @kahhoeng8817 күн бұрын

    Instead of war, how about whoever has the best business idea or best offer win?

  • @shahinchoudhury8256
    @shahinchoudhury82566 ай бұрын

    India, japan : as if we don't exist

  • @user-tz1pr1ps2o

    @user-tz1pr1ps2o

    6 ай бұрын

    Both too weak

  • @hendrang1

    @hendrang1

    6 ай бұрын

    India and Japan are the proxies, the US pawns.

  • @Hierarchy_Of_Power

    @Hierarchy_Of_Power

    6 ай бұрын

    we Indians are powerful but not a hegemonic super power. There are only two for now. Try to swallow the bitter pill.

  • @user-cr6yp7vx9r

    @user-cr6yp7vx9r

    6 ай бұрын

    Both follow Washington's orders, so why bother listen to them? Just directly talk to uncle Sam if you need something

  • @zarategabe

    @zarategabe

    6 ай бұрын

    India should try to decrease poverty the way China did. I can't see that happening under the ultra nationalist BJP and Modi. They are too interested in replicating American neoliberalism and consumerism.

  • @pengliu2087
    @pengliu20876 ай бұрын

    "US dominates the Western hemisphere, but I don't want China to dominate Asia the way we dominate west hemisphere"....hum fair enough I suppose?

  • @aredtomato8957

    @aredtomato8957

    6 ай бұрын

    It's an obvious double standard by John.

  • @amichaelthomas83
    @amichaelthomas833 ай бұрын

    Why can't China and the US share responsibility for dominating their respective regions and support each other.

  • @229andymon
    @229andymon6 ай бұрын

    I’d far rather have had the question answered as to China becoming a *regional* hegemon.

  • @nickbartman3250
    @nickbartman32506 ай бұрын

    Lex is probably the most technically qualified and intellectually competent interviewer out there. I listen hard to his questions and observations more than his interviewees’ answers, save for perhaps Elon Musk, who is one in a few billion as history books for the next hundreds of years will attest. Thank you for reading my observations from my home city of Oxford in England.

  • @user-re9mz2bt1e

    @user-re9mz2bt1e

    6 ай бұрын

    He sounds like someone that learn basic high school history and knows nothing else.

  • @matthewvandermeer4934

    @matthewvandermeer4934

    6 ай бұрын

    Dude needs sleep.

  • @yaoliang1580

    @yaoliang1580

    6 ай бұрын

    Both of them are insane fanatic of US imperialism. The extraordinary talented Elon musk with his massive wealth n enormous ego is the more dangerous

  • @deanzaZZR
    @deanzaZZR6 ай бұрын

    "I want us to be a regional hegemon" 😏 China's dream is to reunite with Taiwan and push the US military out of East Asia, thus bringing down tension for all of the regional countries. China wants to develop and trade and make the lives of the average Chinese citizens better. China has no desire to make other countries "Chinese" or impose a political system.

  • @loremasteringwion9930

    @loremasteringwion9930

    6 ай бұрын

    China is also a communist authoritarian state who oppresses their own people…but tell me again how good China is

  • @veduci22

    @veduci22

    5 ай бұрын

    CCP's dream is totalitarian system of control of population in not so pretty dystopian way...

  • @danieltam3923
    @danieltam39236 ай бұрын

    It's interesting to see how the Zero Sum mentality dominates the whole discussion 😇

  • @nelsonlam9583
    @nelsonlam95836 ай бұрын

    For hegemony, "Want" is one thing, "Deserve" is another. Give it some thought.Furthermore, the Chinese already state that they want a multipolar world. So the question is not relevant or wrongly placed.

  • @mrxager18
    @mrxager186 ай бұрын

    The two countries that play a giant role in the West vs. East scenario are Turkey & India. Both have enormous militaries, nuclear weapons, and space capabilities. Their geographic locations are crucial to missile defenses and airfields.

  • @fangdog29

    @fangdog29

    6 ай бұрын

    Turkey has American nukes on their soil right? They don't have nukes themselves

  • @JTR253

    @JTR253

    6 ай бұрын

    If you are talking about India then Pakistan also factors in that discussion. China of course would be on Pakistan’s back but wouldn’t the West led by America dangle allying with Pakistan against India to keep them in line? India right now doesn’t fully tow America’s line so the west would need more leverage against them in the future. I think that it’d be a rather one sided affair if China has been able to dominate Asia in this alternate scenario. The West is in decline especially its linchpin America. Things wouldn’t have gone well for us that China is dominating here. You have to remember that Taiwan is only one domino while we have others like Japan, South Korea and Australia that either have failed or defected to the Chinese orbit at this time. You might see that India is missing from my list and that is for a reason. India not only likes to be independent in its foreign policy like Indonesia or Malaysia but they also have issues with their neighbor that could go nuclear. That’d take them off the chess board completely. India is also very diverse with many political divides like the impoverish North vs the richer South that could blow up in the future. China has been unified as one country for the core of its country much longer than the India that was formed after the British took it over. The south of India has only been part of India recently under the Delhi sultanate many hundreds of years ago before the British 100 year reign.

  • @WingkKong

    @WingkKong

    6 ай бұрын

    ​​@@JTR253Taiwan is part of china The people in Taiwan are all Chinese They are adjust the defeated party Of The Chinese Civil War

  • @yaoliang1580

    @yaoliang1580

    6 ай бұрын

    Enjoy some peanuts

  • @jxmai7687
    @jxmai76876 ай бұрын

    全世界人民大团结万岁! Long live the great unity of the people of the world!

  • @cimonkien9833

    @cimonkien9833

    6 ай бұрын

    thanks

  • @____blank____
    @____blank____6 ай бұрын

    Competition and dominance mindset. Worse than the cooperative mindset.

  • @poopkljok8342
    @poopkljok83425 ай бұрын

    When Caesar was still alive, China was already an empire as powerful as Rome. Imagine if Rome had continued to this day, and another country that was only over 200 years old believed it could "contain and intimidate" Rome.

  • @StrongerThanBigfoot
    @StrongerThanBigfoot6 ай бұрын

    Us vs Them mentality is while we will ultimately destroy ourselves

  • @Lkzz279
    @Lkzz2796 ай бұрын

    China pretty much dominates Asia, if you go to countries like Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore, Myanmar, Laos... The influence of chinese is inmense, the factories, real state, infrastructure projects and most of the wealth are on chinese hands.

  • @yellowcode2011

    @yellowcode2011

    6 ай бұрын

    In addition to your observation, a large chunk of Chinese influence came from early Chinese immigrants and their decedents. Even though those 'Chinese' that were born and raised overseas no longer identify as Chinese but only regard Chinese as a race. They've made a huge impact from a cultural perspective. In comparison, the influence you mentioned which are exported out of modern China, is actually pretty recent.

  • @wulfw.8452
    @wulfw.84525 ай бұрын

    I do not know US and China should have wars or not but my Indian colleagues have been salivated about this scenario for quite a while.

  • @kanishkchaturvedi1745
    @kanishkchaturvedi17456 ай бұрын

    The question in the title is asked but not answered by the guest nor the host in the video. Save yourself sometime if you wanted something close to an answer.

  • @TeemBlack
    @TeemBlack6 ай бұрын

    But what I don't understand is they are saying:"the scenario where China dominates Asia, and US dominates the west". But this is clearly already the case?!

  • @dex216sims

    @dex216sims

    6 ай бұрын

    No, because Japan and Korea have American bases and the Taiwan issue has not been settled. Now if China controls Taiwan geopolitically, which is what I think will eventually happen, it'll be a lot easier for them to dominate Asia. That would put more pressure on Korea and Japan to change their foreign policies to suit China's interests

  • @congocongo939

    @congocongo939

    6 ай бұрын

    not to mention India and Vietnam trying to be the next manufacturing hub

  • @aluoaniki
    @aluoaniki6 ай бұрын

    This answer is kinda disappointing. He first avoids a straight answer and says he wishes that never happens, and then just says there will be a conflict between China and US, which already happened in a lot of areas. This question deserved to be answered more thoroughly, which he won't do I guess. Maybe he sees the sign.

  • @aredtomato8957

    @aredtomato8957

    6 ай бұрын

    This John may be a professional but deep down he is just senile. Beautiful words saying hope nothing bad happens but not dare to admit his own country started all the conflicts around the world. 😂

  • @iachtulhu1420

    @iachtulhu1420

    6 ай бұрын

    He just regurgitates American imperialist mindset and American exceptionalism, so how's that for an objectivity.

  • @colefiler1429
    @colefiler14296 ай бұрын

    Please have Norman Finkelstein on the show

  • @DC-wg1cr
    @DC-wg1crАй бұрын

    *when

  • @ytrichardsenior
    @ytrichardsenior6 ай бұрын

    I don't understand this guy. Talks a lot of sense, and then this. This whole conversation is so American. The reason the world is in its current situation is because nobody wants to be dominated. Whether by China or the US. And in honesty, war as we know it really ended in the late 40's when the USSR dropped its first nuclear weapon. The future is a world in which we all cooperate, because the alternative is not really possible.

  • @Bill-Hicks
    @Bill-Hicks6 ай бұрын

    In what world the US are the good guys??

  • @leelhasa6294

    @leelhasa6294

    5 ай бұрын

    the one where China's Communist Party are committing three cultural genocides and rising for global domination which reduces human rights and freedom on a global level. Like slavery and CO2? Just keep buying Made In China and protesting the US.

  • @TheVineOfChristLives
    @TheVineOfChristLives6 ай бұрын

    Proxy also is the Philippines.

  • @DrBreezeAir
    @DrBreezeAir3 ай бұрын

    Or people could just cooperate.

  • @jiangyewei9184
    @jiangyewei91846 ай бұрын

    From John Mearsheimer's interview, it can be seen that there are decisively different mindset and core values between China and the United States. The US tends to think about how to maintain hegemony through all means, while China's values are centered around coordination and internal development. As a Chinese person, we do not wish to compete for hegemony with the United States; we only seek peaceful development, even to the extent of sharing our development opportunities with more developing countries. However, when someone places a dagger at our throat, we must respond in self-defense. Plus, I am shocked that this seemingly righteous old gentleman could utter such selfish, double-standard, and sinister words.

  • @abc0to1

    @abc0to1

    6 ай бұрын

    So you are against ships of Chinese authorities violating Japanese territorial waters?

  • @user-ej4nx9ik5l

    @user-ej4nx9ik5l

    6 ай бұрын

    Malaysia,Philippines and Vietnam might have something else to say, given the nine dash line that China uses for its maritime claims.

  • @jiangyewei9184

    @jiangyewei9184

    6 ай бұрын

    If that is indeed "Japanese territorial waters"@@abc0to1

  • @vegamoonlight

    @vegamoonlight

    6 ай бұрын

    Many self-righteous are hypocrites

  • @jiangyewei9184

    @jiangyewei9184

    6 ай бұрын

    @@user-ej4nx9ik5l I am certain that territorial disputes with China are not the sole focus of discussions for countries like the Philippines, Vietnam, and Malaysia. In the 2010s, China emerged as the largest trading partner for these nations, further stimulating their economic growth and contributing to improvements in the well-being of their people.

  • @blayworld
    @blayworld6 ай бұрын

    If regular Americans had time and money to take holiday and see the world they’d see how far behind the USA actually is.

  • @_S0Y

    @_S0Y

    6 ай бұрын

    Common EUer thinking their trip to 'Ibiza' makes them a seasoned traveler

  • @CALUNERBILLY

    @CALUNERBILLY

    6 ай бұрын

    Maybe we cant speak other European nations' languages, but we do understand each other roughly. Unlike you Americans, the only language you speak is English. Thats why even common EUers are still better than you Americans.@@_S0Y

  • @Jakedominguez10

    @Jakedominguez10

    6 ай бұрын

    Depends where you go

  • @changotv5847

    @changotv5847

    6 ай бұрын

    Im an American that has visited and lived in around 20 countries across Europe and Asia, and NONE of them are ahead of America in any way. They are years behind. America is still the best place I've ever been. Which country is ahead of us exactly? You have clearly never been to America and have just made this up because you are obsessed

  • @4x4r974

    @4x4r974

    6 ай бұрын

    Yea take a holiday to explore Tibet and Xinjiang I hear it is great xd

  • @musicJunk77
    @musicJunk775 ай бұрын

    I believe the overall CV of the US is good. But given the fact that having a discussion with an adult American is like having an argument with a 14 year-old doesn't bode well for the future.

  • @steviemac2681
    @steviemac26816 ай бұрын

    Can't you be a realist about international affairs and geopolitics while also thinking it's better to be a democracy than an autocracy internally? You might think it makes no difference to the geopolitical goals of a country but still think it's better for the people that live in that country.

  • @carmenlajoie2719
    @carmenlajoie27196 ай бұрын

    State media in China is eccellent, did you know poverty allieviation completed. CGTN The Point-Hub-Heat, Reporterfy-Cyrus Janssen. Documentaries worth a watch

  • @spm_hcmc

    @spm_hcmc

    6 ай бұрын

    And Muslims don't watch porn

  • @jasonzhu1622

    @jasonzhu1622

    6 ай бұрын

    The Muslims are being bombed at Gaza, did see you give a shit about that@@spm_hcmc

  • @aroonsubway2079

    @aroonsubway2079

    6 ай бұрын

    It makes sense because state media represents the country, so it dares NOT spread obvious lies that can be easily debunked. In other words, Chinese state media takes responsibilities. However, when CNN or BBC used their influences to spread rumors, no one takes responsibilities. If you pointed out they were spreading fake news, they would either ignore you or delete the news without an apology. I remember CNN once posted a video showing an indonesia police officier beating a local theft, but claimed it was a Chinese soldier beating an Uyghur muslim ... which was debunked later by some indonesia folks. In this sense, Donald Trump was right, CNN is fake news.

Келесі