They probably built massive underground shelters of some kind. Vaults is what they're called, I think.

@TheOmegaInitiative

9 ай бұрын

😡

@crokdok4482

9 ай бұрын

ooooh, maybe they're out somewhere on an oil rig far from the coast ?

@someguy9293

9 ай бұрын

Not really. In real life, America does have fallout shelters that were set up during the late 50s or early 60s by the Civil Defense. By and large, though, Citizens were encouraged to build their own fallout shelter so the government doesn't have to invest in it. But obviously, the government under Eisenhower would build the Whitespring Bunker and Raven Rock in the 50's in case of nuclear attack. I'm betting that in Metro's Universitie it was the same case. Which means Metro's America would be more lawless then Fallout's America.

@hibikiverney4146

9 ай бұрын

And I'm the 76th like

@blueberet0

9 ай бұрын

@@someguy9293 i think he was messing around

I'm not sure if this is worth mentioning, but it's something you missed. During Exodus, while inside of the Kazakhstan satalite station, there was a recording talking about what they saw after the war. They could still see lights coming from American cities, so it seems to imply that at least shortly after the war, chunks of US infrastructure survived.

@MikeHunt-zy3cn

9 ай бұрын

I presume the interior. Wouldn't be shocked if American governmental command moved to somewhere like Wichita or Cheyenne.

@joseavila5747

9 ай бұрын

Yeah they were targeted on the follow up strikes, they destroyed and then destroyed what was left

@lostonearth7856

9 ай бұрын

If they were to have survived, it's weird they wouldn't set up nightly blackouts or lower the amount of usage of power during nights.

@sunshineskystar

9 ай бұрын

@@lostonearth7856 maybe because they see how bad Russia and China fared and just thought they have zero way to retaliate again. Or it's just a local people taking control and not thinking about possible retaliation.

@joshuajoaquin5099

9 ай бұрын

​@@joseavila5747idk about that, they are reports that they are still active surprising the russians. They still think that war is up since the interior of America is active even until exodus it still hinted that there are American cities up and running

In the Metro books, US territory almost completely survived. They talked about it in the last book, 2035.

@ivanivanovitchivanovsky7123

9 ай бұрын

Wait so russia got screwed and China, but America was fine? Wtf

@joshuajoaquin5099

9 ай бұрын

Saw it too, I assumed that's the reason why Russian high command in Moscow is scared since most of US is still active fearing follow up strikes

@TheOmegaInitiative

9 ай бұрын

That was a lie propagated by The Unseen Observers to maintain control over the Metro.

@generic_tough_guy.4830

9 ай бұрын

Regardless with America's defences the worst that'll happen is the coastlines being hit by maybe a few rockets

@ivanivanovitchivanovsky7123

9 ай бұрын

@@generic_tough_guy.4830 that really depends on how many nukes were launched. No one, especially during 2013 had enough defences to stop hundreds or a thousand plus nukes.

At the 3:44 mark you can actually see the missile fired by that submarine in the Arabian Sea landing in Dagestan, meaning it struck Russia. That would presumably be what set of the End War, with America launching a full strike afterwards presumably because they assumed Russia would have done it first otherwise.

@anvos658

9 ай бұрын

That is honestly a decent argument for the sub being a 3rd party actor who nuked part of Russia to force the US and Russia to make split second decisions to launch or risk a full arsenal exchange on both sides, and the US opted for there is no way Russia won't blame us, and took the initiative.

@13gan

9 ай бұрын

​@@anvos658There's also the possibility of rogue actors and spies within the government of Russia and US launching the nukes and/or doing sabotage. Russia's failure to launch their nukes before the US might also due to ongoing diplomatic actions that were taken to stop full out nuclear war. I mean, Russia would have detected the US launch and plotted it's trajectory so the only question is why didn't they launch theirs in retaliation until US's nuke had crossed their airspace/literally detonated on their cities. So the sequence of events might be: 1) nukes we launched in the middle east 2) Both governments go into panic mode and start calling each other on what happen and what to do 3) Somehow, someone in US launches nukes to Russia which when detected, cause Russia to put their Army on standby until further confirmation 4) Panic in other world government 5) US communicated to Russia that the launch was a mistake and that they're trying to disarm/intercept the launched nukes (while probably under internal attack by rogue actors/spies) 6) Russia's government got paralyzed either due to sabotage, rogue actors or bio attack 7) By the time the nukes cross their airspace and assuming the chain of command in Russia has been restored, it's already too late so they launch their own nukes Not saying there's a hidden group operating behind the scene like Hydra but it's possible that in the chaos, the espionage assets of both countries were mobilised in an effort to gain further information on what really happened and along the way, cause an escalation in misunderstanding and sabotage action.

@julenmarcossantamaria2762

9 ай бұрын

America is not a country, its a continent. Learn how to speak before doing it.

@manictiger

9 ай бұрын

@@anvos658 Sebastian Shaw obviously did it. Dang mutants.

@Kuraimizu9152

2 ай бұрын

​@@anvos658it sounds like what a certain Battlefield 3 character would do...

Years after Exodus, the Russian people finally build back enough to venture across the pacific ocean to make a trek to the remnants of Alaska. They expect a wasteland, much like their own, but are instead seemingly greeted by malicious automatons all under one banner, The Enclave

@concept5631

8 ай бұрын

Oh dear

@silentecho92able

7 ай бұрын

@@concept5631 That would be one hell of a plot twist.

@concept5631

7 ай бұрын

@@silentecho92able It would indeed

@EmperorrizzletonrizzlerI

7 ай бұрын

The enclave welcomed them they showed them they’re intentions these were the enclave members who were sent to Alaska the commanding officers there discovered Edens intentions and the FEV they betrayed the enclave and built the “United States of the enclave” the rangers discovered that people from Russia and Canada found Alaska and were recruited from the Alaskan enclave they were elite soldiers who were trained for freezing temperatures artyom and the rest brung some of the enclave members to the aurora to allow them to explore the Russian wastes… the Russian enclave expeditionary force returned with even more people… they spoke of horrid things like yamantou… and the dark city but they were happy to see people even if they were aggressive bandits… now polis and the Alaskan enclave were Allies and the alliance went to the oil rig where the war against edens enclave began… war war never changes

@FinnisJaeger

7 ай бұрын

I heard that this enclave doesnt like commies.

According to the Stirke video, it appears that the Submarine off the middle eastern coast launches it's missile at a country on the western side of the Caspian sea. This indicates that the missile was most likely targeting Russia, meaning that this submarine was either American or a country allied to the Americans.

@richardsimms279

9 ай бұрын

It starts by Iran launching a missile at Israel, Israel retaliates, the someone starts firing missiles at both Israel and Iran from the Indian Ocean. That could be MAD in effect as Israeli and Iranian subs carry out their respective “Samson Option” protocol, or someone else joining in. At that point it turns into a general exchange.

@kadarak1

9 ай бұрын

@@richardsimms279 And it's pretty scary that something like that can happen any day. If one nuke gonna be used then high chance somebody gonna answer with another one and beacuse almost everyone is supporting somebody then we will have nuclear war (mostly of course between NATO, Russia and China).

@warhammer8867

9 ай бұрын

​@@richardsimms279It would be Pakistan, they could be the ones who send the Nukes to the two nations. Either they launch it because of some recent dealings with Iran that are heard from the news.

@nullifiedrisks

8 ай бұрын

@@warhammer8867 Consider: Chinese SSBN firing at a Caucasus country (Georgia or Azerbaijan), fallout spilling over into Georgia/Turkey which are NATO members, invoking Article 5 and a full-scale retaliation against China/Russia?

@the11382

7 ай бұрын

@@warhammer8867 Wouldn't Pakistan nuke India first?

Russia's late response might have been caused by the way its command structure works in the context of nuclear weapons, while the president can order a strike it is up to the individual generals to authorize the launch and then in some cases it even comes down to the individual missile crews. People might have been caught off guard by the US launching its arsenal and some might have thought it was a radar issue (which happened once back in the cold war) and that might have caused them to be reluctant to fire until the nukes got so close to Russia.

@Kapturnik2741

9 ай бұрын

Co ty pierdolisz

@The_aussie_ranger

9 ай бұрын

That might’ve been why it was so late that is a good reason

@dimas3829

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, the Russian operators would be extremely reluctant to srike untill they'd see american rockets hitting their own targets in Russia.

I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but the missiles seen launching from Moscow during last light probably aren't actually ICBM's, but part of the A135 ABM system designed to shoot down incoming ICBM's although even if so their launch seems to still have occurred quite late. Honestly Russia's seeming failure to get the bulk of its birds in the air during the final exchange always seemed a pretty odd part of the lore.

@richardarriaga6271

9 ай бұрын

I mean, it seems like a Moskva-level incident. If you need the strategic rocket forces as a Russian, we are all doomed anyway.

@rear9259

9 ай бұрын

they reckon most nukes in the use arsenal (about 50%) are in disrepair. Can't imagine Russia's in 2013 would have been better.

@markobucevic8991

9 ай бұрын

​@@rear9259even 50% is enough to wipe earth off several times.

@quintrapnell3605

9 ай бұрын

Don’t forget Russia has the deadman switch. It’s completely reasonable for Russia to launch missiles after being struck.

@joshuajoaquin5099

9 ай бұрын

@@quintrapnell3605 the problem is even with dead man's switch does the systems factor some silos that is in state of repair or disrepair? Did it factor other launch areas got hit first and have the launch sequence neutralize or destroy?

Anyone else notice the Australia was completely untouched by any nukes? I'd like to think Australia in the metro universe became much akin to Mad Max.

@Crimsomreaf5555

9 ай бұрын

or Australia turned into a utopia

@evildude2135

9 ай бұрын

@@Crimsomreaf5555 It already is

@Barabel22

9 ай бұрын

If it was untouched, it wouldn’t become a mad max wasteland.

@Operatorfrosty

9 ай бұрын

Nah dude, that place is already a wasteland, they’ve already got mutated spiders and shi 😂

@gatling216

9 ай бұрын

Fucking kangaroos.

Remember that in desert radiostation in Metro Exodus, there were mentioned satelite pictures of USA of 2019 if I remember correctly. It was said, that some cities still have light at night. So some cities survived, and still had a lot of electricity. Perhaps it was some small nuclear reactors that survived, like in legend of Polarne Zorie. I think it's safe to assume that this cities maintained goverment at least for some time: without central goverment they wouldn't light up city at night.

@nickkozak4763

8 ай бұрын

either nuclear reactor or using the stockpiles of coal and coal being mined to fuel generators.

@darioestebaneliztrado4641

7 ай бұрын

It can also be radio signals, the subway has power and electricity but it is a different story.

@averagetachyonlanceenjoyer1129

7 ай бұрын

@@darioestebaneliztrado4641 Wait, I read all 3 books like 5-6 times and played all 3 games 3-4 times, never heard about murican subway. This information is from some fan-novel right?

@ExarchGaming

4 ай бұрын

thing about the US is it's habitable coast to coast very easily. The entire north american continent for the most part except for the extreme north is very temperate. so if you lived away from the big big cities, and not near the nuclear missile fields in montana and the dakotas... the chances of surviving isn't that bad.

I've Always Liked the idea that America in the Metro Universe has had its Government and Military survive along with Several Major Cities and major chunks of land surrounding them but with Significant areas lost to lawlessness and outright nuclear annihilation. The Cities and other major bastions of civilization are dirty looking like in Children of Men or perhaps Gears of War, are heavily fortified and either feature heavily militarized police or outright martial law in order to fend of major swarms of Mutant Creatures or Lawless Marauders in addition to maintaining Law and Order. Significant chunks of territory in areas like the American Sowthwest and in or around destroyed cities are either outright lawless, have frontier like presence or are quarantined behind heavy military fortifications. Gangs of Marauders exist in many locations neccecitating people being heavily armed to have a semblance of safety outside of "Green Zones" and Mexico is Overrun by Bandit empires that are the descendants of the Cartels that occasionally attempt raids or full-blown conquest northwards.

@sunshineskystar

9 ай бұрын

I like it, they can also recreate the battle of Alamo with surviving American militia and remnants of police and national guard fought against the onslaught of the bloodthirsty Mexican empire. That will also be in theme with the metro theme of recreating history.

@cnlbenmc

9 ай бұрын

+@@sunshineskystar+ That could be like the Final Battle of the game that take place after a long quest down the coast and climaxes with the 8th Air Force unleashing a relentless bombing run and the reconstituted 1st Armored Divison encircles and annihilates the enemy.

@rexwyatt3066

9 ай бұрын

I think that's actually fairly plausible, the one bit I would add is the potential of 3rd party groups (state governments, rogue military assets, religions groups) taking over and forming legitimate nation-states or warlord-states in some areas of the country. For example, the LDS church forming a new nation in Utah and the western Rockies, the State of Texas surviving mostly intact and doing ok, or a few divisions of the US army setting up a new military clique in Kentucky or something. Just a thought though, but I do like your ideas a lot.

@niqs4635

9 ай бұрын

So it was true that the gringos say a lot of stupidity. Product of your mental fantasies

@ulacylon-timetrio9664

9 ай бұрын

@@rexwyatt3066Maybe we can have something kinda like the Monolith of STALKER.

Plot twist: Samuel Taylor is Courier 6. Hence why he is so skilled when you play New Vegas. Couldn’t remember his time with the rangers due to him getting shot in the head.

@trainknut

9 ай бұрын

Bro is casually like 300 years old

@The_aussie_ranger

9 ай бұрын

@@trainknutit makes sense think about it the courier default character looks like the most generic American

@NipplWizard

8 ай бұрын

AAAAAAND the courier makes snappy "I'll kill you all" one liners.

@theemeraldking3251

2 ай бұрын

​@@trainknutCausally, you ever just come across a 300 year old guy survive a headshot?

You know what would be funny if the government like went on a oil rig of the coast and form like a secret organization with advanced technology that sure would be wacky right

@Vantud391

9 ай бұрын

It would be much funnier if they defeated by one single tribal😂

@rowanwalter6306

9 ай бұрын

I’d be crazy if their entire organization would be forced to exodus to the other side of the country because a random tribal destroyed their entire base of operations.

@crimsondynamo615

9 ай бұрын

And then another dude just convinced their president to blow himself up and then just uproots their water scheme

@satriadicky3732

9 ай бұрын

The Enclave will win if they just provide spare water chip for Vault 13😂

@anvos658

9 ай бұрын

Honestly the why not is probably why the organism under the Kremlin got turned non-psychic and moved to a different location, to avoid the risk of being sued for stealing stuff from Fallout.

I really want Metro 4 to go back to Moscow to tie up loose ends and Sam's story to be continued as either a standalone or DLC... with better writing.

@trainknut

9 ай бұрын

Sam's story could honestly be it's own entire game. That said I would like to see both.

@user-ci9tx7vd8o

9 ай бұрын

@@trainknut yeah, the whole plot of the new Sam's game will be about him being astonished by the view of a flag with a two-headed bear at the center of San-Fran

@17MrLeon

8 ай бұрын

More than Sam continuing story would be How Sam as a US Marine joined the spartans

@raidermaxx2324

8 ай бұрын

Sams story was great!

I do suspect that that the U.S goverment that existed pre-war probably survived in some form and their might even be some level of civilization existing. Cheyenne mountain/Colorado springs would probably become the defatco capital and central U.S around the Great Plains and Rocky Mountains are rather untouched expect for areas directly hit by nukes like silos or air bases bases. While the ocean facing coasts are probably the frontier-like badlands straight out of a western film as implied in the graphic novel. Although gangs of mutants, raiders and warlords are a major problem. It could be the next setting for a Red Dead Redemption like game.

@ADMICKEY

7 ай бұрын

I do wonder what would happen to Arizona in this AU, we might've returned to a more medieval state using the canals for food, could be similar to how Egypt was for most of history, and I'd think We'd survive the mutants, maybe using gila monsters as a wall against em.

This is a similar outcome to the rough idea I've read about for our response to the Cuban missile crisis if it went hot. Our first targets would have been the ICBMs and leadership.

@Historyfan476AD

9 ай бұрын

Yes, but even then planners assumed the USSR counterstrike would also do untold damage in return, and likely they would see the nukes coming due to satellites and observations, and begin firing their own back.

@voxpopuli7910

9 ай бұрын

Every nuclear scenario with first strike in mind by the power who does first strike is optimistic at best because they have the hope that the enemy gets destroyed before counter strike

@Historyfan476AD

9 ай бұрын

@@voxpopuli7910 Exactly. the problem with the first strike idea is that, well your first strike still needs time to reach your enemy, in which time they will likely have detected your incoming barrage and well fire their own back as one last act of defiance.

@mspaintbesteditor9417

9 ай бұрын

​@@Historyfan476ADEven if it does, Nuclear submarines are able to operate for years unaided. I know both sides map each others submarine positions, but strategists and captains probably have plans to slip through cracks and counteract this. They could still come out after even if dead hand systems like Perimeter don't activate.

@Historyfan476AD

9 ай бұрын

@@mspaintbesteditor9417 Exactly, the Nuclear Subs will last at least long enough to get their missiles off for a retaliation strike. What angers me is when people keep talking about first striking will win the war before the USSR or Russia could react back. This often now popping up very often due to the recent politics around Ukraine. To be honest with you this type of talk scares me, because it means some people don't want a nuclear or don't see the true danger in one beginning. They seem to be under some very fatal illusions like: Somehow shooting down all the Missiles, or magically all of Russia's will not work or fire. Or worse of all A US/NATO first strike will somehow eliminate the Russian threat of nukes before launch, be it this first strike be either aircraft and missile attacks or a nuclear strike. I think too many people are not aware of how Nuclear war would actually happen. We have some people who literally say the USA should just bomb or fire missiles at Russian nuclear assets to prevent them firing nukes, during the Ukraine war. None of these people understand that if you fire on a Nation's nuclear assets they will interpret that as a prelude attack on their nuclear capabilities , just before your main nuclear attack.

During the cold war there was an incident during Able Archer '83 I believe, where NATO held exercises close to the East German border including nuclear drills, that a Soviet missile detection installation detected what appeared to be several launches fitting the profile of ICBM's heading towards the USSR. Fortunately the officer in charge of the station had a cool enough of a head to not kick it up any further and addressed the problem after the incident to improve the warning system because thankfully in this case it wasn't nukes, it was something stupid like glint from high altitude weather balloons. I'm thinking this was maybe the case with Russia. Why would Russia just begin outright nuking the US? Why would the US out of seemingly nowhere nuke Russia? I think these were the thoughts of the missile men and why they waited until the last second to launch the nukes

@kadarak1

9 ай бұрын

There were many situations like that during cold war, other time station detected rockets flying from east of Soviet Union and workers of station were thinking that USA decided to start war and nuke Soviet Union, luckily worker of station decided that it was false alarm and he was right but if he decided to call Moscow and inform about "attack" then Soviet Union would probably nuke both USA and western Europe starting war.

@vovin8132

9 ай бұрын

Guess you've never heard the one about the USA going to DEFCON 1 over a flock of seagulls

@bickyboo7789

9 ай бұрын

Maybe they didn't want to doom millions of people and refused orders to launch, at least some of the people running the silos. There's probably multiple factors though.

@Ace_London

9 ай бұрын

99 red balloons go by

@richardsimms279

9 ай бұрын

Able Archer was a different incident than the false launch indication. The former was in Soviet times…Andropov and his minions got the idea the exercise was a cover for a real attack, and refused to believe their spies who told them it was nonsense. Reagan was on a State visit to South Korea at the time, there is no way he’d be that far from CONUS if a first strike was even being contemplated. The false alarm was post Soviet, when Yeltsin was President. The Norwegians launched a science experiment and the Russians mistook it for a missile, even though they were notified the launch was taking place well before.

It is implied that the US fired first, and much of Russia was destroyed before they could return fire (at least in the games). So, my assumption is the US wasn't his as badly. I would assume the coasts got it a LOT worse than the Midwest, so there's probably a great deal of survivors across the central and southern USA.

@RagingRavioli22

9 ай бұрын

Definitely with a US using the first strike option. If Soviet middle defenses aren’t put up in time or some of them unfortunately don’t work it, then it would explain why the Soviet Unions retaliation was far less grand considering the US doctrine targets strategic assets predominantly other known nuclear silos and places of government power. Thus giving the US ample time to prepare ICBM countermeasures to do deal with any remaining nuclear response. But some would eventually get through and hit major population centers such as the east and west coasts

@duitk

9 ай бұрын

The coasts would get hit, but actually the Midwest is the primary target, most nukes are targeting other nukes, so all the ICBM fields in the Midwest are the primary target.

@kingtigertheheavy2708

9 ай бұрын

​@@duitkYes. In a realistic scenario, the Midwest would likely be wiped out. Not to mention we have a lot of military installations.

@duitk

9 ай бұрын

@@kingtigertheheavy2708 yes, there are fallout maps from the cold war, that show the most fallout in the Midwest. I know fallout isn't quite as bad as the movies but the entire area would be utterly deadly for a out two weeks.

@romanfan250

9 ай бұрын

Watch Threads. After seeing that movie, I'd say Artiom and his friends are doing pretty good. Pretty fucking good. "Gib sum!"

For me, as an American from Alaska, it's interesting that only two locations got hit in my home state. Those areas don't really have any strategic assets like nukes sitting about in silos, though it would make sense given their proximity to Siberia and the like. But the only places of note in those western regions of the state are Nome and Bethel with native villages dotted about nearby. Most of the population, resources, industry, infrastructure, food production, processing, is in the south central areas and the interior. Almost none of those locations are touched at all. The pipeline is still intact, as is more or less all of the power generation systems, and the means to distribute it. All of the food industries, such as the farm land near Delta Junction, as well as all over the state, are still intact. The fishing industry, which is the biggest in the world, is also intact, as is the processing plants needed to cut, clean, can, and distribute them. Our mining industry can make up for the loss from the continental US in all but certain rare earth metals. Lumber and the like, we got more than we need. Plus we still have 90+% of the population. So Alaska is fairly well off despite everything. Mutants would likely be the only real issue I see for my home state.

@weaselwolf8425

9 ай бұрын

As an Alaskan can confirm the locations aren't really strategic, if we were to be nuked it would've been JBER/Anchorage itself and Eilson. Other than that it could be the ground based interceptors but I'm not sure as to where they are located. I've only lived in Anchorage after all.

@SupChad735

8 ай бұрын

@@weaselwolf8425 Probably nuclear silos were there in the Metro universe

@BreandanOCiarrai

8 ай бұрын

during the Cold War the only major targets up here were the DEW line C&C, Anchorage, Fairbanks, and a few low KT yield tacticals aimed at airbases and such north of the Brooks Range. But considering the people making the game likely know little about Alaska or our population dispersion (hell, had three tourists over the past week ask if they could call the US from here, thinking Alaska was a foreign country) it's not surprising that they would have the targets in weird places

@kingdomofvinland8827

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@BreandanOCiarraiI’ve never been to Alaska as I’m from the lower 48. But I think Alaska would make a cool setting for a metro/fallout game

That triangle at 8:03 is probably a highly irradiated wastleland because it is a primary target due to the Pantex plant (which is the only nuclear weapons assembly and disassembly plant in the entire United States) being located in the center of that triangle in the city of Amarillo.

it'd be interesting if they made a metro game in the US with Sam as the player

@Ocelot835

9 ай бұрын

I hope not. Metro setting is unique due to its post-soviet vibes that aren't represent much in western media. Tooking it out by moving setting into post-apocalyptic America sounds just really generic

@nemo3029

9 ай бұрын

@@Ocelot835 yea im still waiting if ever artyom and his mates will go back to Moscow and tell them the truth but what happens after that if they plan to make another story, as from the video shown apparently the US surface is safe for the most part and there are pockets of civilization but it would ruin the name metro I guess

@Ocelot835

9 ай бұрын

@@nemo3029 I think best approach would be to discover what's going on in other post-soviet republics, especially those that had metro systems. Maybe make new protagonist in Kiyv or Minsk metro (both places actually have been explored in extended universe books although their canonicity are disputed), show how people live there and so on.

@knowtheplan472

9 ай бұрын

At that point it just becomes fallout

@EagleJack-vb9wz

9 ай бұрын

Nah, there are hundreds game with american protagonists and perspectives, leave Metro serie as is, please.

>2 middle eastern countries begin the nuclear war >metros pre-war universe is supposed to mirror ours >theoretically, the US and Israel would be allies >Metro's US strikes first directly after Israel gets hit What did Gluvkhovsky mean by this?

@thesteellegionnaire4570

9 ай бұрын

Well, Obama was President at the time…

@guyuscoolius2326

9 ай бұрын

trump lost goyper

@thesteellegionnaire4570

9 ай бұрын

@@guyuscoolius2326 What does trump have to do with a nuclear war in 2012?

@guyuscoolius2326

9 ай бұрын

@@thesteellegionnaire4570 there was a nuclear war in 2012?

@thesteellegionnaire4570

9 ай бұрын

@@guyuscoolius2326 It's a Metro 2033 video, what the hell do you think I'm talking about?

I think, if we go with the trailer video showing the launches the war could have been started by a incorrect identification. The tech at the time was pretty prone to malfunctioning and with the added stress of a couple nukes in the air I think the US might have thought the Arabian Sea launch was by a Soviet ship/silo of some kind, immediately trigger a US response but catching the Russians on the back foot.

@YomamaYodaddyYobjtchassGranny

9 ай бұрын

And this was a common occurrence especially during the Cold War a lot of satellites would malfunction indicating nukes had been launches but in reality it was just an error

To be honest, with the video illustration of how the nuclear war in metro played out, I am surprised that population centers in Asia and South America are not touched at all. I doubt that governments in those places would collapse at all with such a tiny scale of nuclear fallout.

@cr90captain89

9 ай бұрын

while the nations of the world not hit by nuclear strikes would survive they would be facing starvation/ strife & possible societal collapse. most countries cant sustain their population without trade which in the metro universe is effectively gone.

@Koba_78

9 ай бұрын

Not really. Many of those countries (like India) which are major powers are quite self-reliant as far as food supplies and concerned and are in fact net exporters of several essential crops.

@chriscortez2036

9 ай бұрын

Even countries that weren’t hit by nukes would still be heavy effected in some capacity- The global economy is effectively annihilated, political & social unrest would ensue from the crisis, and the international order & geopolitics are irreparably changed.

@clownworld4655

9 ай бұрын

As others mentioned many would economically collapse due to the global trade system falling apart. Irl if the US, China, or India were to collapse MANY nations would indirectly collapse with them.

@Josua070

9 ай бұрын

Those countries would have to deal with the fallout, and if they managed to survive through that, they'll essentially be the new "superpowers" of the new era. My guess is that they're refraining from any contact with those that launched the nukes, likely because the sheer bad blood caused by the nuclear war.

Russia/USSR gets nuked by America Basically, similar to the premise of Wasteland which iirc, the nuclear war in Wasteland was caused by America misidentifying a Meteor for an ICBM and in a panic launched their nukes at the USSR. However, I havent played any of these games for a while so I could be completely wrong. However, it seems to me that America in Metro is just America in Wasteland. The only difference between the universes are: Russia/USSR is instead just the modern day Russian Federation iirc and the nuclear holocaust was started similarly to how the nukes were dropped in Mad Max, with the main cause being another war over oil in the middle east.

@Randomusername56782

9 ай бұрын

Why was it when I was reading this my first thought was “elder statesmen George bush.”

Thank you for doing Metro lore, very few people cover this topic and I already love your fallout videos. PLEASE do more Metro!

I recently played each game, back to back to back, for the first time, and I was just blown away by how perfectly each story is connected to the others. Fantastic story writing!

They need to do a Metro game in America following the dude who went home.

Still wish we got more of an openworld game based in the metro. Would be fun exploring tunnels, abandoned stations, etc.

@TheOmegaInitiative

9 ай бұрын

Oh hell nah, I ain't spending 10 hours walking from station to the next.

@tarkov666

9 ай бұрын

@@TheOmegaInitiative you don't want the full Dayz Metro experience?

@GeorgHaeder

8 ай бұрын

@@tarkov666 DayZ Metro experience? Hm, I would play such a game, tbh.

@magicaltides283

5 ай бұрын

Brb gonna go travel to America to see for myself

@tarkov666

5 ай бұрын

@@magicaltides283 Think you are going to be quite lost then....

4:57 “Its quite hard to see if this area has been hit with nuclear weapons or not” Well seeing as it’s California it is hard to tell if that’s normal or apocalyptic damage.

@TheOmegaInitiative

6 ай бұрын

That's the joke

8:12 looks more like North Dakota and would make more sense since that's where a MASSIVE chunk of the US nuclear arsenal is kept.

@richardsimms279

9 ай бұрын

Whoever created that map doesn’t have a clue about the world’s strategic forces. US ICBMs are going to come from ND and that area, or from sea. The rest were on bombers.

Like in the metro,their version of the United States taking inspiration from the frontier/wild west they most likely have US marshals or Texas/Arizona Rangers bring law and civilized order in the new frontier

Couldn't it be possible the American Executive power have evacuated into the National Airborne Operations Centers, and have the Doomsday Plane fly over the North Atlantic until proper new centre of power could be established? It could also could be that the Executive Branch have relocated onto a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier as the first missiles were being fired, being evacuated on Airforce One into a more remote location before doing so as Nimitz-class aircraft carrier were built to last as long as some sort of infrastructure existed. I mean it's really hard to think that a Nuclear War would have completely wiped out the Governments of the Soviet Union or America as if any part of the world was seeing nuclear escalation threats, there would be some expectation of some sort of contingency plan for the continuation of the state in some form or another.

@richardarriaga6271

9 ай бұрын

I don't think jet fuel would last that long

@mrfabuloso91

9 ай бұрын

That's what I was thinking. Since the U.S. was already planning on a first strike, it would make sense that the Executive powers would already be at what would be deemed as a safe location for the inevitable retaliation strikes.

@lostonearth7856

9 ай бұрын

@@richardarriaga6271 You really dont need to be in the air for too long to survive a nuclear blast and locate a emergency centre of power as the military reorganize.

@MikMoen

9 ай бұрын

Carrier groups are also nuclear strike targets, so that's not a plausible safe area.

@kingtigertheheavy2708

9 ай бұрын

​@@MikMoenWhich is why they would probably remove whatever CSG was in that area of operations

With the arsenal sizes of 2013 assuming they are similar big chunks of rural US and a number of medium size cities would be completely intact.

I've been searching for a decent metro 2033 youtuber. Glad I stumbled across your channel! Keep them coming!

Considering they have a stargate in Cheyenne mountain, I think that all leaders in it probably survived

Florida is alright because it’s Florida it won’t change anything

@iammrbadguy9706

9 ай бұрын

It may even improve things, like the enviorment.

@MrAsianPie

9 ай бұрын

Florida would've improved

@TheOmegaInitiative

9 ай бұрын

Nah, we goin to Texas when the apocalypse hits

@kemosabe1313

9 ай бұрын

@@TheOmegaInitiativeDamm right 🤠

@halo129830

9 ай бұрын

Arizonian here guess I’m dying but I live in a copper mine not like we’re much use.

What happened in America: Pretty much Fallout, but without the 1950s retro technology

@deny2170

9 ай бұрын

energy gun Ghoul etc

@abnerdoon4902

9 ай бұрын

So basically just Fallout 1 and 2 but without the vaults.

@deny2170

9 ай бұрын

@@abnerdoon4902 Or STALKER without Fantasy thing

@BlueFusion2910

9 ай бұрын

people like you irritate me the most

Thank you sir. I was waiting fot another Metro Lore video

Likely for some reason DFW (Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex) may have survived or even served as a new capital for america, i only say this because of the comment by @Sadlego mentioning lights coming from american cites alongside the map you had from the Outpost. DFW is one of the locations it seems to end on alongside some other cities, maybe the reason they aren't connected by rail on the map is because its following the AMTRAK national track which goes south but not towards DFW in a straight path.

@areyouserious866

9 ай бұрын

and if its not DFW likely its one of the many cities west of DFW maybe Abilene?

@spinnyspins9135

9 ай бұрын

​@@areyouserious866I doubt it's either one. If it's Abilene than cities such as Odessa, Lubbock, Midland, San Angelo ect would've survived and even them that's questionable.

The music of this video definitely helps set the atmosphere,keep up the great work

Considering most the U.S east of the train line would be bombed into wastelands and the west coast mainly taking hits on the coastline itself, it would make sense that Cheyenne would become the new heart of what remains.

From what the promo video shows, the following US cities and places got hit: 1. New York City 2. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; possibly Fort Dix, New Jersey 3. Washington, D.C., with the additional targets of Baltimore, Maryland, and Newport News, Virginia 4. Charleston, South Carolina 5. Atlanta, Georgia 6. Miami, Florida, or possibly Patrick Air Force Base, Florida 7. San Diego, California 8. Pearl Harbor, Hawaii 9. Seattle, Washington For the graphic novel, here is what I can discern: First, the line from the ocean to the middle of Nebraska. This indicates a naval presence in contact with Offutt Field, what was the old Strategic Air Command (SAC) during the Cold War. Incidentally, there was the prediction that if nukes were launched by the USSR, Offutt Field would be hit by at least 3 100-kiloton bombs. Next, the triangle. This would seem to be more of a zone of control or avoidance area, possibly controlled by remnants of the US government located in Denver, Colorado; Fort Collins, Colorado; and Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado. If Cheyenne Mountain survived, that's where NORAD would be. Arizona: Actually not Arizona, but rather an airbase in Arizona. My guess? Edwards AFB, located in Arizona and New Mexico. California: May be an indication of San Francisco surviving, and basically being the only outpost between LA and the ruins of Seattle, along the I-5 Corridor.

@icantcomeupwithagoodusername24

Ай бұрын

Edwards is in Cali, So probably Luke AFB/ Holloman AFB in either state. It could also be the Los Alamos National Laboratory. Los Alamos is actually a point on the Triangle too.

I like to imagine it’s just fallout, but obviously so early that no one would be out and about aside from small groups of people, Sam even makes a fallout reference about liberty prime in exodus, but like I said it’s just a nod to fallout

The fact that not much is known and there is a lot of space for interpretation is one of the things that make film/videogames set in a post apocalyptic world awesome

I think they're going to be exploring that soon, the Sam's Story dlc from Exodus leads me to think America would be in decent shape, at least in comparison to Russia. I'm sure some of the large cities are screwed and a lot of the Midwest would be a wasteland and turn back into a dead seabed, but we have a lot of nooks and crannies around the country where people would survive. I would like to see an irradiated grizzly face off against a mutant moose though. Assuming we travel east from Russia it's likely Alaska would be a key area in something like that. But I think something is lost every time the wall of knowledge moves back in the Metro series. Is this the kind of nuclear apocalypse where everyone, everywhere got hit equally? Were the nukes and WMDs mainly targeted at military bases, population centers, ports? Could Russia and America combined really cripple the whole world like that? Where's China? What happened to Europe? Did Africa get clapped too? These questions stay unanswered not only because the characters don't have the means to know, but also because it raises some bigger problems. Like, enough nukes to put most if not all of the countries on earth back to the level of civilization that we see in the games and books would be enough for complete biosphere collapse.

@AdamantLightLP

9 ай бұрын

Nuclear winter would mess a lot up, even if you didn't get nuked a lot of nations would die.

@clownworld4655

9 ай бұрын

The Midwest being a wasteland makes zero sense. Both the east and west coast of the US are the prime targets for a nuclear strike. The original 13 colonies and California would be wiped off the map. Everything else is just a waste of a missile as the vast majority of the country is sparsely inhabited.

One aspect of the USSR that only came to light after the Iron Curtain fell was how poor the readiness of Silo-based ICBMs were in the USSR. Their medium range missiles on subs or launchers were deadly, but the huge ones meant to strike the USA itself were known to be... troublesome to get working. I could totally believe that the reason we see the ICBMs launching from Moscow seconds before the incoming bombs hit was because they were not capable of being fired at a moment's notice. Just as likely most never got ready before getting destroyed, sparing the USA from a full nuclear response. Edit: That also would explain why tank commanders in city could have known Nuclear missiles were inbound and were evacuating before their own could be launched. You can imagine a panicking missile crew having to scramble to get their missiles to launch before it is too late.

@8vantor8

9 ай бұрын

the missiles you see in Moscow are not ICBMs, they are Anti ballistic Missiles, they are meant to intercept incoming nukes and prevent them from detonating by destroying them in flight

@boranates1320

8 ай бұрын

Always have to be one guy critising Russia eith nothing to back it up 😂

@VolkovVelikan

13 күн бұрын

Uh no? The ICBMs and overall all the Russian nuclear trifecta. It has to go through a bunch of check ups from the military chain of command. Which are only required if it’s a first strike, not a retaliation strike, like it is shown in the Metro Novels.

So if Australia was spared from nukes, I think it's safe to assume it's in line with the Mad Max timeline.

I read somewhere, that Glukhovski leaved hints of the existense of other countrys as vague as possible, to leave space for other authors woldwide who want to continue and write storys in the same universe about their own countries. There are allready books from Italy, Poland, France and the U.K. So any sci fi writers, from the U.S. who like to join... It's your opportunity to expand the Lore. I will continue to read any Metro book i come across. 🙂

Historically speaking, there's been a few incidents where computer glitches and radar error led soviet officers to believe there was an incoming US attack. This could leave a very wide potential that silo operators had become complacent until the very last moment

Wild conspiracy: Fallout and Metro are in the same universe.

@vixonviee

6 ай бұрын

i think no because metro war happed in 2013 fallout war happed in 1960s its different timeline

@ObviousLegoFellow

4 ай бұрын

@@vixonvieeYou’re not wrong, but the Great War in Fallout happened at 2077.

@ryman1933

Ай бұрын

@@ObviousLegoFellow sooo, he IS wrong actually.

I live in California, and id comfortably say we would become a massive crater, I live a stone throw for major military bases, industrial centers, ports, airports, and other not just strategic areas, but logistical important spaces. and this is just by el Segundo or Hawthorne, the ports of Los Angeles in san Pedro is the largest port in the country. Besides a few mountains east to us, its mostly flat land so we have hardly any environmental protection from a single nuke in one area, let alone a dozen. Id also argue there would also be little left of san Francisco but I don't live there and know as much as I do here.

BABE WAKE UP NEW OMEGA INSTITUTE VID!!

@TheOmegaInitiative

9 ай бұрын

I hate the Institute 😡

@KingTFD

9 ай бұрын

​@@TheOmegaInitiativebased

@chrisobrien6249

9 ай бұрын

@@TheOmegaInitiative based

@ezekieltorres1477

9 ай бұрын

@@TheOmegaInitiative if you ever get the chance. Can you do a video of Texas in fallout that would be awesome 😊

The triangle is very obviously not in Colorado, nor anywhere near Cayenne Mountain. The triangle approximately covers from Santa Fe to Dallas to the border of Oklahoma and Kansas.

@Phenixtri

9 ай бұрын

would the survivors from cayenne mountain be able to set up operations in that area ? something along the lines of CoG / military personnel organizing civil defense and other survivor's into an emergency government soon after the bombs fell?

This video makes you wish for a Nuclear Winter, but other than the memes aside this is an interesting topic to talk about American Nation survival, though considering that the United States is considering more richer and powerful than Russia chances are that more people could have survived the End War, and maybe they had enough technologically advanced machines they could created massive safe locations for the citizens of the U.S.

@Historyfan476AD

9 ай бұрын

That last one is not very likely, such a strike would cripple the USA still, and in peace time the government is incompetent at rescue. Imagine post nuclear war.

@alpejohnson491

9 ай бұрын

No um money wont save you from radiation unless you are the rich class that can afford bunkers and endless food lol. Citizens are almost secondary completely they would have had the same reaction as the russians did trying to rush to safety and if we are talking about russian ICBM'S they carry like minitature warheads if you going from reality thats a lot of nukes for one icbm to launch in 1 volley since its 50 peices or so, very hard to shoot down even with patriots. But it is game lore so the government could have survived but many civillain infrastructures must be destroyed as you seen with that golden state bridge which is part of larges cities so many cities had to be targeted. Realisticly not even talking about the nuclear winter and the lack of many grains that can't be growned outside now. So alot becomes more like russia in metro with different factions, perhaps even cartel being around now more or so would not be suprising. However its strange in metro that china does nothing I guess we need more information.

@kingtigertheheavy2708

9 ай бұрын

​@@Historyfan476ADIf you think about it, every war after 1945 is a post nuclear war, just the nukes were on a lot smaller scale

@Historyfan476AD

9 ай бұрын

@@kingtigertheheavy2708 Not really since no nuclear weapons were used.

@kingtigertheheavy2708

9 ай бұрын

@@Historyfan476AD You're actually wrong, look up the bombings of Nagasaki snd Hiroshima

I've been waiting for this.

One thing i like to think about in metro is that the southern hemisphere survived and lives a some what normal life to before the war while western hemisphere is devastated and full of people eating each other and long away away from ever getting back to pre war life. Given how metro has often lots of symbolism and allegory's in it, it just feels like something that could be possible in universe as part of that given how USA, Europe, China, USSR and latter Russia always have their hands in south American and Africa the idea of them destroying them selves and the south prospering as a result while leaving the the northern hemisphere to eat each other in chaos would feel somewhat poetic.

@bigdopamine9343

9 ай бұрын

The southern hemisphere would also experience a global winter and mass chaos and dying.

@sunshineskystar

9 ай бұрын

Except they didn't, the southern hemisphere already lived in poverty long before the war. The destruction of the world's economy means their economy and civilization are severely affected. All of them depend on the First world for technology and food, they will go back to the stone age even if they aren't nuked. Even just during corona a lot of third world countries suffer from starvation and crisis after the first world stops their donation.

@Mirokuofnite

9 ай бұрын

Australia and New Zealand would get by fine. Hell billionaires are building bunkers in New Zealand right now.

@bigdopamine9343

9 ай бұрын

@@Mirokuofnite it’s about being able to grow food. It all depends on the fallout. Plus Australia is a target for China.

@fer-pololono1436

9 ай бұрын

Almost all of the south hemisphere would be caos, with the best chance of surviving would be Brazil, chile, Argentina and Uruguay wich they would pass from being democratic countries to being forced by the situation into military dictatorships

Hey @TheOmegaInitiative I have a suggestion for a future video for a fallout one (sorry to get off topic, I get really hyped whenever I see your content I’m a big fan honestly) You should do a video of what you believe the world would be like, a story, of the world (North America specifically the USA) 500 years after 2287 or 1000 years after the Great War

Would like to point out something in regards to your yamahtua vs raven rock comparison. Raven Rock is called Raven Rock and not "Mount Raven" because it's a solid piece of Greenstone granite. Which adds tons more survivability than a couple thousand meters of dirt.

@TheOmegaInitiative

9 ай бұрын

It's called Raven Rock Mountain 💀. But good point 😃

How do you not have 100k subscribers already your videos are so high quality.

8:03, just wanted to say that I don't think the triangle is mainly in Colorado and Kansas, looking at it, it looks to me more like New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas. With the bottom left point at Albuquerque NM, the bottom right at Dallas TX, and the top somewhere in northern Oklahoma, I can't tell which city it is, but looking at google maps, I think that it could be Ponca City.

@vonkasper7130

9 ай бұрын

If he admits he was wrong then his arguement for the Cheyenne Mts. being a possible triangle falls through in 13:14.

@TheOmegaInitiative

9 ай бұрын

@@vonkasper7130 Ok

@dansemacabre9550

9 ай бұрын

​​@@TheOmegaInitiativeI hope my comment didn't come across as negative or insulting, just wanted to add to the discussion. I really enjoy your videos and love the dedication and hardwork you put into them. I loved all ideas, speculation, theories, and the summaries you had in the video. I do think that the Cheyenne complex could definitely be used as some sort of post-war bunker for what remains of the USA's government and senior members of the military. Overall, great videos and I am excited to see what videos you have in store for us in the future!

@TheOmegaInitiative

9 ай бұрын

@@dansemacabre9550 Nah it's fine, I just couldn't really tell what was what because I think the map proportions might be a little stretched.

@abide5843

8 ай бұрын

@@TheOmegaInitiative Even stretched out the state lines are clearly drawn and the line barely if even touches Kansas. Omitting basic geography there is an app on your phone that could have cleared this up in 2 seconds but as @vonkasper7130 stated I guess it wouldn't have lined up with your Cheyenne theory. That sarcastic ok was not needed from a guy who cant be bothered to look at map.

Damn man you did outstanding work, Thank you you have another subscriber. And if possible can you do more lore about metro games.

@TheOmegaInitiative

8 ай бұрын

I'm not really a lore guy

Great vid, thank you for the detailed explaination.

the cheyenne mountain area could also be where they planned to continue the railroad if they could get permission etc

2:45 I’m so baffled by why two countries nuking each other jumpstarts everyone going “might as well too”

@anvos658

9 ай бұрын

It more appears that sub caused things to escalate to a brinksmanship, and it hitting Russia pushed the US over the edge to preemptive strike, assuming MAD would go into effect, so they might as well strike first to save as much of the USA as possible.

The lack of launch but knowledge of a launch can be explained by the command responsible for a launch being taken out or in disarray

This Metro universe is a netflix series waiting to be made.

@TheOmegaInitiative

9 ай бұрын

God no. Dmitry stopped a Metro movie being made by hollywood because it was too American.

@calthepeacelovingclover5935

9 ай бұрын

@@TheOmegaInitiative I mean one made out of Russia streamed on Netflix. Either something like that or the STALKER series in Ukraine.

@rumigraciea8216

9 ай бұрын

@@calthepeacelovingclover5935 Considering Netflix current antics I don't trust them to be loyal and respectful to the source material.

Meanwhile, in New Zealand, they're just wondering why all the streaming sites suddenly stopped...

That Nebraska line to the ocean thing is interesting. In the area of the state the dot was at is a bunch of nuclear missile silos. SAC and Stratcom both have heavy presence in the state, as well.

This is a fun video to hypothesize. From what I understand about the difference between US and Russian nuclear command structure, in the US, once the President gives the order to fire, it's pretty much a done deal, in Russia, there are Generals that are given the order from the Kremlin, so there's probably a degree of hesitancy and/or order confirmation that takes time in the Russian system. Another thing to note is that this looks like a limited exchange, none of the Dakota silos fired off their missiles. Also, in the US if we fire off the nukes, as much of the government is evacuated to a secure site (probably Cheyenne Mountain), given the lateness of the Russian response, I would say there's a fair chance that most, if not all, of the government was evacuated from DC, while the Russians were caught with their pants down. Again going off the nuke map, the entirety of the east coast and southern California coast, along with Seattle, are wiped off the map. Though San Francisco (from what we see in the DLC) is still intact enough. For the time being this would isolate the US from trade, but after the dust settles it would appear that many of the major cities in the midwest and Texas remain untouched. Given enough time, the US would rebuild much of it's infrastructure and survive. It's unclear as to whether martial law would be declared in these cities, but I would say that the middle east got the worst of it and America would come out the "winner' if you could call it winning.

These are some of the most entertaining videos on KZread

Texas is probably a major regional power, having been basically untouched by nukes and already having lots of industry and the world's 9th largest economy, along with a pre-existing state military infrastructure and a (albeit in need of maintenance) independent power grid

@biggerdickus

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, but Texans are incompetent, they would fall in a jiffy.

@aspookyscaryskeleton1474

4 ай бұрын

Texan try not to jerk off your state challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

It good your not just doing fallout this is one of my favorite franchise

I like how a random island in the southern atlantic got hit in the nuke simulation map thing in 2:55 like wtf was that supposed to hit? A couple of birds and maybe like 3 guys?

@yellowyellow7476

9 ай бұрын

Might be the British airbase on Ascension Island

Fantastic work 🎉

In the metro 2033 book there is a chapter where an radio operator is talking to Artem(main character). There they say that some nuclear submarines and even an tank outpost survived outside(not for long). The book says that the tank camp could survive becouse the soldiers manning the tank got lucky and got an new radiation protected vehicle, witch they take on a long jurney out of population centers, where the book says that radiation is low enough to allow people to survive. This means that some parts of canada are probably still populated.

I know in the books there was a reference made to some russian military personel refusing to fire their bunker's missiles.

@TheOmegaInitiative

9 ай бұрын

Yes, a radioman talks about how there were some sub commanders that fired their missiles and some that didn't.

Great vid bro.😺

Being from Winnipeg to hear you say that tripped me out lmao never usually hear about my city in anything😂

My Man Samuel Taylor has been drinking shroom vodka for too long, he needs that Kentucky mash to be happy again.

I want a massive scale open world game spin off of sams story.

I was born in Plattsburgh several years before the airbase closed down; prior to that it was a HUGE area for ICBM's during the cold war years.

@icantcomeupwithagoodusername24

Ай бұрын

Still got a Vermont Air National Guard Base over in Burlington some few dozen miles away.

This is quite timely for me. I finished 2033 a few days ago and started playing last light. I've ordered a translated copy of the first book too so I'll read that once it arrives.

@TheOmegaInitiative

9 ай бұрын

Cool, Last Light is definitely my favourite story and atmosphere, however Exodus has great gameplay, so there's a lot to look forward to.

It seems to track in my head cannon that it would start in the middle east. I have two ways of thinking about the metro lore (I didn't get very far in the audio books but I've loved the games) that metro is just the Russian side of fallout, or that metro goes pretty similar to our own reality that only differs when the bombs drop in 2013. Having it start in the middle east would surely have the Americans fire first cuz there was still significant us presence in the region. In the ensuing chaos they hit the button. Even with minimal nuclear strikes, it wouldn't take much to have the US devolve along party lines.

Exodus needed to have some remnant US forces that set up in their bases and could’ve had a twist where the war is still going on or that the rest of the world is fine, like the scene where they discovered that long range transmissions still come in could’ve had more to it.

Not only would the user have to be on at the same time, they would have to be on the same frequency, AND be able to be able to transmit the distance to Moscow. It really more says that there was a lot more survivors than most think if the one specific frequency, at that specific time, that are capable of transmitting that distance, and any other number of factors, are being seen.

@nickkozak4763

8 ай бұрын

the jammer was jamming ALL long range frequencies. indicating it was scanning for them and blocking incoming and outgoing messages.

Interesting analysis!!

Good question, maybe similar to Fallout version US?

I like to believe metro is in the same universe as far cry 5

@AmyCherryLMAO

9 ай бұрын

id like to believe it but the timeline doesn't add up

I don’t know if it’s just me but it sure looked like that first opening salvo that you showed was a few Middle Eastern countries hitting Israel Israel. Israel Being basically an ally of the US then it would make sense for a submarine in the Persian Gulf to attempt to wipe out those nuclear launch vessels from said Middle Eastern countries

I’d love to see some spin off games or side stories that cover more about what happened in other parts of the world

@the11382

7 ай бұрын

Switzerland must have survived. They have enough bunkers for their entire population. Even in the present day, Switzerland is only now somewhat pivoting from neutrality because of Ukraine. Nuclear fallout has a hard time traveling over mountains.

In Polish books by Robert J. Schmidt, Poland is not all destroyed, it is split into two (one belt of nukes set off next-to-next to make a charred "border") and Czechia as well as Germany apparently are pretty well of as Polish drones are shot down. Some military lived in PL, hidden in Riese Compound in Góry Sowie, so there is a chance of more military/government alive and trying to rebuild what's left. I know it's not much, but gives a grasp how West is more or less stable after the war, west of Poland for example has livable outside and only major cities are hazard zones, they also find working military equipment (NVGs and radios) so complex electrical components didn't die (No EMP?) Book titles for the curious: pt.1 "Otchłań" (The void), pt.2 "Wieża" (The tower), pt.3 "Riese". All in Polish AFAIK As for the Outpost books... I have Outpost books, both vol.1 and vol.2 but it's placed in... Russia. And no nukes, just a "combat religious chant", not even Metro. Is it even the same Universe?

@TheOmegaInitiative

9 ай бұрын

Interesting, I'll have to do a deep dive into the Metro Universe books eventually. As for the "Outpost" books, as far I know they're not in the same universe as Metro. Not confusing at all huh?🥴

Plattsburg is in New York for those who missed it. That was upstate New York(New York City is WAAAy South) Yes i have to specficy this. Especially for non-New York and non-Canadian viewers because literally nobody knows about the shape and geography of New York.

Short answer: fallout

The offshore strike does bring up questions maybe the U.S. was given bad intel about who launched it and that's why they did a first strike that caught Russia off guard.

@Mercer2024

9 ай бұрын

Technically, the first strike wouldve been the biological weapons they deployed to kill off Russian leadership. They did this so that, as a first strike, the Russian Federation would be too slow to gather its forces and retaliate with nuclear weapons. While the Russians were scrambling to launch their nukes, the U.S. had already launched while the Russians were too slow to retaliate, leading to many of their missile silos being blown to hell and only so many nukes being launched. So there are two ways to strike, a countervalue strike or a counterforce strike. It seems in the Metro Universe, America chose catastrophe rather than tactical. Meaning, they chose to kill millions of civilians -- which would be vilified upon -- rather than tactically striking all of Russia's silos. Countervalue is the act of basically genociding civilians with any weapon whether its nuclear, biological or chemical. Counterforce is strictly attacking only military targets.

The best I can tell from left to right with the dots on the map at 8:14 are around South Lake Utah, Phoenix AZ, (the Triangle has) Santa Fe NM, Fort Worth TX, and maybe around the Boiling Springs State Park in OK, the upper one is around Big Springs NE, and the last one is off the Coast of NC right next to Camp Lejeune. Makes senses given all of them are close to water, mountains, or a Military base.

Its crazy to think that if the U.S. launched the first birds that Russia would certainly be caught by surprise and any retalation against the U.S. would be at best reduced and at worst it would destroy much of the coasts as it did. Honestly it also reflects our doctrine being that if we were to commit MAD it would only occur after the fact that russia or some other power kicked everything off first, and thus the common sense approach we apply irl where the outcome is already known.

If this hasn't been pointed out, it seems like the exchange in the middle east was between Iran and Israel, in which case, both have the backing of Russia and the United States respectively; thus it's fairly plausible for a nuclear exchange in the middle east to have a runaway effect. Something similar is touched upon in the TV movies "Countdown to Looking Glass" and "Threads".

@TheFirstCurse1

4 ай бұрын

I'd hope that the US and Russia would just let those 2 idiots destroy each other and not interfere. It'd be a blessing to everyone else.

One thing about a nuclear winter is that it is a global event, even parties uninvolved (unnuked) would see the devastating affects of the winter you see in metro. After a while, such as when the games take place, things would start to normalise for some areas of the world, but places like russia would still be brutal tundra

Im assuming that there had to be a conventional war before the nukes start flying as a nuke being launched out of nowhere isn't in our playbook