"Why did jet powered trains never take off" sounds like a good thing to me, if it takes off then it's just a missile.

@dorsk84

2 ай бұрын

Jet powered train that flys..... sounds alot like Deception Astrotrain

@thomascriviera5779

2 ай бұрын

Ah dammit you were here first with that XD But glad to see I am not the only sassy/funny sarcastic one here XD And boy yours is good, I already forgot mine

@M3PH11

2 ай бұрын

i mean, it could have just been coz of the lack of wings but what do i know

@vinniepeterss

2 ай бұрын

😂

@kazefw3834

2 ай бұрын

LMAO

Tiny (huge) correction, the engines were taken from a decommissioned B-36 and not a B-58.

@usualsuspectsgarage

2 ай бұрын

i heard this in trumps voice

@hrunchtayt1587

2 ай бұрын

@@usualsuspectsgarage real

@Dimapur

2 ай бұрын

Lives rent free ​@@usualsuspectsgarage

@ABrit-bt6ce

2 ай бұрын

B-58 had re-heat, that would have been spectacular.

@bratpet

2 ай бұрын

That's a massive error

I love how most of these videos are like "This vehicle used a very unique aerodynamic phenomenon to fly" but this one is just "they strapped a jet to it"

I love the efficiency of having a jet engine blasting 400 degree exhaust right into the air conditioners.

@Grommitmug

2 ай бұрын

MMM, Pure oven train

@DounutCereal

2 ай бұрын

Even better is that blister on the roof of the Budd cars (or most railmotors/railcars/DMU's) is just the radiators for the engines, so you'd just have the hot jet exhaust cooking down through the roof with no climate control at all

@robertkiefer2030

2 ай бұрын

Oh, come on! The speed of the train would have kept things cool. :P ;D

@wayneheigl5549

27 күн бұрын

that is not an air conditioner, that car was originally diesel powered and the engine was in that roof bubble not the a/c unit.

That engine pod looks an awful lot like the one used on the B-36D, not the B-58. An internet check shows this to be the case.

@DanielMartin-eq2kk

2 ай бұрын

He literally has the book from the head engineer of the project I highly doubt the man that built it is wrong.

@chriskortan1530

2 ай бұрын

@@DanielMartin-eq2kk try again. All you needed to do was look it up.

@Jaggerbush

2 ай бұрын

​@@DanielMartin-eq2kkyou said this in another post and were corrected. He's made similar mistakes before. Idkw you can't imagine he misspoke.

@paulholmes672

2 ай бұрын

Plus, the B-58 used J79 engines, NOT J47's. The B-58 was NOT surplus until 1970, 4 years after this timeframe. And yes, that is a B-36 paired engine pod with drag louvers. My question is, how the heck did the thing back up, reverse?

@informonocle3182

23 күн бұрын

​@@paulholmes672 Since this was a prototype, my guess is that they just shunted it with another locomotive. If they really had to, they might've reconnected the driveshafts (idk how they disconnected them), but I bet they just asked for a little shunter and called it a day.

Two J47 turbojet engines were mounted outboard of the three Pratt & Whitney R-4360 Wasp Major piston engines on each wing of the B-36 - that's where they came from

@natehill8069

2 ай бұрын

I kept wondering what they were talking about thats clearly a B-36 dual engine pod.

@doylethomason6015

2 ай бұрын

@@natehill8069 right ? I had to stop mid video , go confirm , type my comment then keep watching lol .

@natehill8069

2 ай бұрын

@@daveogarf "Feather six!" "Which six?"

@madmax2069

2 ай бұрын

​@@daveogarf"two turning, two burning, two smoking, two choking and two more unaccounted for"

The rock thats on the rail: im boutta end this train whole career

@merafirewing6591

2 ай бұрын

Wouldn't that rock get vaporized?

@RedBeardTheFirst

2 ай бұрын

​@@merafirewing6591more like atomized

@merafirewing6591

2 ай бұрын

​@@RedBeardTheFirst yeah if anything, the rock is going to get his career rocked.

@Borsuk988

2 ай бұрын

@@merafirewing6591 i see wat u did there

@merafirewing6591

2 ай бұрын

@@Borsuk988 lel.

*Somewhere in the USA* "So hear me out, we will strap jet engines to a New York Metro rail car" "Genious! Youre getting a bonus!"

@Xg4531YT

2 ай бұрын

Genius***

How to make something faster? Put a jet engine on it Not fast enough? Put two jet engines on it

The NYC is not called the New York City railroad. It's the New York *Central*.

The J-47's were installed in their original pods from a surplus B-36 bomber. The B-58 had four J-79 after burning turbojets that were much more powerful than the J-47 even without the afterburner.

I am pretty sure that the engines are not from a B-58 but from a B-36. The mounting looks exactly the same as those found on the B-36D onwards. Also, in one picture of your video, one sees that the jets have can-type combustors, which the B-58's J-79s did not have (they had more advanced annular combustors instead), but the B-36's J-47s did have. Finally, in one picture showing the salvaged engines before mounting, one can still see the intake shutter panels that allowed the B-36 to turn off its Jet engines in cruise (for fuel economy) and rely only on its 6 radials instead. Nice video as always.

then engines are from a b-36 peacemaker

@robertdragoff6909

2 ай бұрын

I was wondering why the engine housing didn’t look quite right for a B58

Japan: Let´s build a highly aerodynamic high speed train that changes rail travel. France: Let´s build something that could compedte with airplanes similar to what japan built and embarres the brithish. Britain: We´re too broke to build a highspeed railline so let´s build a crappy train that leans into curvs but the leaning mechanism will make the passengers sick and break, then we will sell the patent to italy, see them improove it, get jeluos and buy it back. Sounds good, doesn´t it. Germany: Let´s build a huge diesel train that consumes ungodly ammounts of electricity while not being in service(TEE Trans Europa Express). East Germany: What´s luxury and highspeed?????? Merica: Yall think a bit: railcar + jet engine = FREEDOOOOOOOM!

@302ci1968

2 ай бұрын

Very good summary ! (You forgot Ze Germanz...)

@Austriantrainguy

2 ай бұрын

@@302ci1968 Sry, couldn´t think of anything better.

@AusKipper1

2 ай бұрын

Australia: an average speed of 80kmh will be plenty for our trains, after all we are a very very small country with no massive expanses of desert or anything...

@302ci1968

2 ай бұрын

@@AusKipper1 excellent ;)

@302ci1968

2 ай бұрын

In Belgium, as in France, we have very very fast trains. It's to compensate the DAYS long strikes every year. Usually at the precise moment people try/hope to go on holiday. So, on average, we should take strikes into account. And Japan would win again !!!!

That ‘record’ in 1893 was never authenticated which if they wanted to they could have with a Dynamometer car. They based this record on using a stopwatch and the distance between miles posts and not with actual measuring equipment.

@mattheuston9363

2 ай бұрын

And? You wanna say that time tables were off? There’s a margin of error with just about everything.

Thank you for doing a video about this. It was much needed! I am fascinated by trains, especially the weird ones!

I would not refer to railroads during the 1960s as have a monopoly, as they had lost their monopoly on transport decades earlier.

Looks like the engine pod is from a B-36.

@tflemming287

2 ай бұрын

Yeah. Saying the engines are from a B-58 is categorically incorrect. Different engine completely.

@VetoPowers

2 ай бұрын

Maybe the inboard pair of J -47’s from the B-47. Definitely not the B-58’s J-79. Disappointing for a normally good product

@PlaneSaddles

2 ай бұрын

True, I don't know how I forgot about the pods on the B-47.

I would say a video about trains that are a mobile base would be awesome too! Great vid so far ❤❤❤

It was a great era for trying new and crazy things so much optimism , One of the biggest downsides would have been the noise, diesel trains are pretty loud as they are with two jet engines on them it would have been deafening. Be like having a low flying jet go past each time. Still shame it was not rebuilt and ran again or at least in a museum.

Okay am I tripping because last night I was just thinking about the picture of an abandoned train with two jets on the back what the hellllll

@ABrit-bt6ce

2 ай бұрын

Thunderbirds flashback :)

The Black Beetle wasn't a prototype, it was an experimental engine. New York Central was never going to put jet propelled trains into revenue earning service, this was only ever an experiment to test the viability of high speed rail before making any commitment to the development of a conventionally propelled high speed rail vehicle. And the jet engines were from a B-36 not a B-58. Also Penn Central didn't abandon high speed rail, they just went with the Budd Metroliner which was already in production. And had already started being delivered to the Pennsylvania Railroad before the merger.

Actually, it never ever stood a chance of being put to practical use, but even knowing that, man, I would have killed for the chance to work on such a project! Fun, or what? Whatever the positives or negatives of the engineering, the jet wash would have destroyed anything sitting trackside. Loved your animations, but look at the telephone lines running alongside and imagine how many split seconds they would survive as it passed.

Freebird Solo is legally required to ride on this train.

@themuffincat

2 ай бұрын

The song keeps playing from the starting train station to the end

The way it sounded like to also include into this there was also the part that other trains on the tracks would also get in the way for this to be fast and would need its own tracks. While also they didn't test it out on everything that comes down to it of what challenge trains with curves, bumps, and weight for if the jet train would be also having added carts onto it that it would reduce the speed.

We did (sort of) get jet powered trains, with the turbine powered UAC TurboTrain and Bombardier LRC both being relatively successful, especially on the Quebec-Windsor corridor.

Another thing not mentioned in this video, those jet engines are loud! Can you imagine it pulling away from a train station just how deafening that would be due to the proximity of you on the platform to the jet engines on the train. It would give some people perminant hearing damage.

I like how the jet powered black beetle was almost the same jet train from coilbook 9 years ago

The engines are from a B-36 the engines from the Hustler are a dirivitave of the A-12/SR-71

@brothergrimaldus3836

2 ай бұрын

The 1st 5 A-12's were fitted with J75 engines, until the J58's were ready. The J79's were not a derivative or development of the J58. Wtf?

There's another train in this same vein that's right up your alley - the Soviets actually made a full jet-powered 7-unit trainset in the 1970's that was basically this, but bigger! It was called the SVL.

@jur4x

2 ай бұрын

Yes, L standing for laboratory. They were testing performance of train cars that are not powered by internal means. A lot of that research data was later used for trains that would potentially reach 250kph under locomotive power. But in reality they ended up with distributed power just like everyone else.

Leaving on a jet train-- I'm still waiting to catch the first train to the moon.

Vickers Viscount, the s in Viscount is silent.

So interesting content! I can't wait to see more

Best information I've heard about this train ,, Special Thanks for sharing

Hi!!! Remember when you said that you'd make a 777X video? Pls do that next? Btw, good video!

If concepts like this didn't succeed, how could a concept like Hyperloop, that's a 1000 fold more complex, ever succeed.

the engine from one of the the internal twin nacel of a boeing b47 stratojet or a comvair b-36 pacemaker.. not a b58 those would have after burners

Now imagine this, but with the engines of the SR71

@ultimatefreedom6283

2 ай бұрын

😛😛😛😛😛😛ppornoooooooooo.........

I think you need to look at the Pennsylvania Railroad Duplexes. You’ll like them. Especially considering one has been said to have gone 150mph.

@yeoldeseawitch

2 ай бұрын

the duplexes were an extremely stupid design

@mattheuston9363

2 ай бұрын

@@yeoldeseawitch and? Are you saying that I’m stupid for liking them or since they are stupid and they shouldn’t be covered? They’re still an important part of history, and frankly, aren’t that bad. The S1 was the only one that was truly stupid due to size. The others were fairly good at hauling ass down to NYC with three broadway limited. Not to mention they are potentially faster than mallard.

Nick. Are you sure the jet engines were from a B-58? They look exactly like one of the engine pods from a B-47 turned upside down.

The level of details is insane...

30k USD to build the prototype. Probably 30k USD to fuel it each run

Jet engines were designed to work efficiently at high altitudes, this unit was on the ground. The main braking force on a jet aircraft is it's ability to reverse thrust after landing. they couldn't do it in this application. They were right about the signals needing to be upgraded as a train going nearly 200 MPH would require more stop time (even using cab signals). You can't begin to imagine the devastation that would occur should a collision happen at a railroad crossing. Another fact is this train would need nearly perfect tracks to operate on. If they thought the cost of jet fuel was high in the 60's, they could never afford to operate it now a days, at current fuel costs.

It would be interesting to revisit the concept with modern turbofan engines for better fuel economy and, with suitable mixing nozzles, would have a much reduced exhaust temperature. If you really want the minimal exhaust tempeeature possible, use the components of a modern turbofan arranged according to the aechitecture of the Garrett ATF-3 engine which was used for its minimal thermal signature in Noerhrop's Tacit Blue "stealth" demonstrator. Oh, the turboprop (well, turboshaft reall) locomotive was tried by 16:55 United Aircraft with the Turbotrain; it was not successful.

ah yes, nice use of Practical Engineering's signature music, i doubt anyone will notice

But, jet powered trains did take off... We just identifiy them as planes

@lolololo-cx4dp

2 ай бұрын

Not really, plane has many inconvenience

@talpatv512

2 ай бұрын

Planes need too much space, are unconveniant and just a pollution hazard, America should be ashamed, Europe has a whole network of high-speed trains, that are cheap and get you anywhere, America ? Mostly cargo trains, lmao

@thefancydoge8668

2 ай бұрын

​@talpatv512 rails use land too, planes only need a runway while trains need rails from point a to b, so trains actually use way more land than planes.

@lolololo-cx4dp

2 ай бұрын

@@thefancydoge8668 that's true, but train are far better at carrying volumes, wether it's a cargo or passenger.

I've always suspected that the Pyke Syndicate repulser train drew some inspiration from this

that ending, heartbreaking :(

Seems like this concept would have worked better underground like a coast to coast subway.

I can't help thinking that this must also have been HORRIBLY noisy. Nobody wants to live next to an airport, and there you only get noise from aircraft at take off and landing: most of the time they are thousands of feet up and the noise is barely detectable. This is a "jet" which would spend all its time on the ground.

please make a video about the 1910 coanda, first ever "jet" biplane to possibly ever fly that was created before ww1.

Based on all the corrections in the comments, you should take the video down and correct it to remove all references to the B-58, including all of the footage that you reused from the B-58 video. I'm curious how that got through research since it's such an easy fact to check.

The next video a Milwaukee Road f7 streamlined steam locomotive trains for my found and explained very exciting.❤😊😊😊❤

It would never work, the noise of those turbines would be impossible to silence, and no city would allow that thing near it. If Jet-engines on trains were a good at all, other countries or even the US would eventually tried more. Obviously, fuel cost were probably major, specially now that most trains are electrical.

The engines were from the Convair B-36 Peacemaker, not the Hustler. 🤦‍♂

Ah, the twin jet engine cowling is certainly evocative of an age.

I'm no engineer but found it easy to guess why this wasn't a good idea lol :D

2:18 You just became a worthy opponent for Eminem!

So the jet mounted over the front of the train. How thick is the shielding used to prevent the aluminium roof from melting?

It's a darn good thing these trains never "took off" if you ask me!

Made one about Soviet N1 Rocket 🚀

36 seconds in and the first mistake, Engines were from a B-47 complete with pod. B-47 had J47 engine B58 had J79.

I imagine someone also realized that the airlines they were competing with could put jet engines on their vehicles too, go even faster, and not have to deal with constant track maintenance or inflexible routes.

Fine way to travel if you didn't care about a loss of hearing. How loud do you reckon it got inside that thing? Anyone been in a rear engine airliner, and sat at the back would know where I'm coming from.

OMG the next video is about Su-75 Checkmate

nice video... nice animation

Vi count with i being lengthened as in high. Not vis-count.

16:30 Where's the link to check out the book? I don't see it in the description at all

Interesting train👍

So, the Aerotrain but not on a monorail and on the other side of the Atlantic and it didn't lost to a high speed classic train program ?

@MrCateagle

2 ай бұрын

Aerotrain was an attractive concept but the passenger cars were based on GM buses and just couldn't take the pounding of railroad operations. I would love to see that engine mated with suitable passenger cars built by Budd.

You dont have to change signal systems. In germany you can drive 160kph with the Standart train security system (Indusi/PZB). Faster trains like IC/ICE use a train security system called LZB. All informations are shown on display in the cab. This system is is quit old from the 60/70s

@merafirewing6591

2 ай бұрын

Use mph instead that heathen number.

@awesomefan86

2 ай бұрын

@@merafirewing6591 use brain

$30,350 might be the least amount of money spent on one of these wild projects.

This is definitely what New York needs

Didnt the Pennsylvania RR have a S1 or S2 duplex steam train that had an averave running speed of 120 mph and a all out 150ish speed?

Please can you do a video about the f35 and its variants A/B/C/I

I can’t imagine what would go wrong…

Engines are also from the B-47

“This video is brought to you by square-“ YEAH YEAH WE KNOW

Transportation option in the US is absolutely limited.

Looks more like the Boeing B-47 Stratojet pair of turbines.

Someone asked what if we put jet engines on a train? And everyone who lives next to a rail line said no, I would like to still be able to hear

One thing to remember when talking about NA steam speed records is none were measured by a dyno car so numbers were not fully accurate though it is speculated that the PRR had trains that did 130+ which would put them well above mallard's record On that note though the 1893 record was not an official record. Even NYC's own engineers doubted 999 would be able to achieve that speed and NYC and the PRR were in a pissing contest for who had the fastest trains at the time so it is highly contested weather or not it's true because the fastest trains at the time only did mid to high 80's

4:54 Why does this sound a little bit like the start of "Don't fear the reaper" to me? EDIT: I meant 5:00

You forgot to mention that another big reason why the black beetle never worked, is because with how much thrust and speed the train had, it Actualy kicked up track ballast. which not only would require the track to be re-ballasted, but also would hit bystanders at stations and crossings, and also passing trains, which could result in bad consequences

Love your stories. One technical issue. The flickering film effect you use on the edges of the archival images, while a good visual cue about what we're watching, is irritating and distracting if you're watching on a big screen.... at least to me.

within less than 3 secs of hearing the reasons for this not happening i can think of a few ways around said problems one the engines used be smaller jet engines it may need more to get the same speeds but it would get over the issue with fitting in tunnels as for the jet wash causing issues a simple way around that is while in large built up areas it would have normal engines that were not jet engines to allow for it to not cause issues in built up areas these same engines could be used to allow it to both turn and reverse these few simple things done in the right way fix all their issues and make it possible to do

Can it even be classed as a "train" if there's only a single carriage?

@Aahmpower

2 ай бұрын

More as a locomotive, but i guess they left the carriage problem for later

No way that would actually work long-term without those tracks being totally rebuilt and the train wheels being remade as well for speed🥺

this dude's motto:say that 5 times

imagine this with todays technology,and every time the train goes into a tunnel the jet engines hide like a landing gear while a diesel engine keeps runing the train in the tunnel,and when comes out,jet engines come out again,......greetings from Lima Peru......

It’s Action Chugger - wheels to the rails!

How much fuel would this have to carry to be used daily?

I swear they tested every possible engineering contraption in the 1960's

The 1 thing you didn't compare. How loud is it compared to a diesel electric?

MAN that thing would be loud. You think trains make too much noise now? Imagine that with a jet engine that's louder than current train horns. Yeesh!

2:12 But isn't flying scotsman the first steam locomotive to cross 100 mph??

The "grandfather" of the now modern bullet train.

I can't imagine trying to push a ground vehicle via air would be more efficient than using the turbine engines to produce electricity and power the locomotive conventionally 🤷

Any running train in the north america can be considered as fastest in north america

Hopefully Brightline will beat the fastest US train record.