I am a Catholic Deacon. I was attacked and shot 5 times.02020 I defended myself and in the process killed the attacker. My faith and the sacraments got me through the ordeal. One of the reasons I converted was because the Catholic laid it out in the Catechism that self defence is/may be a necessary act AND in some cases not to defend oneself or community is a grave sin.

@Bernadette613

2 жыл бұрын

Wow! My goodness! What an incredible story, but I am so glad you found the truth and faith in which you needed to handle the awfulness that happened to you and anyone else involved.

@debbiegum2226

2 жыл бұрын

You are a brave man God bless Glad you survived and you’re here to share your story

@themonsterunderyourbed9408

7 ай бұрын

Amen!

Fr. Pine, you were my gateway to the splendor of the Dominican Order. God willing, I will become a Dominican Tertiary one day. God bless you.

I could've listened to Fr. Gregory talk for hours. The man has an incredible charisma and way with words, and a very impressive memory at that! God bless him.

@michaelhudecek2778

2 жыл бұрын

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻😊😊😊😊😊😊

@Bernadette613

2 жыл бұрын

I love that he trips over his own words and questions himself in the middle of a thought and then, confirms the direction, out loud in which he is headed. It’s amusing and humble and so very human. I constantly find myself wanting to double check myself and I appreciate it when others do the same. It makes it easier to trust what he is saying.

I love your talks you really do make me think a lot more deeply. I was always taught to turn the other cheek, but my grandmother taught me that I am not a doormat. You are very pleasant to listen to I thank you very much.

@lostindimension2787

2 жыл бұрын

Funny thing is "Turn the other cheek" was actually a way to retaliate against someone. When Jews slapped they did it with their backhand but when you turn it the other way they can't slap you. Same for the extra mile. Back then if you were forced by romans to do a job you can't be forced to hike past a set amount without the soldier being punished.

@themonsterunderyourbed9408

7 ай бұрын

​@@lostindimension2787That's VERY interesting... Historical context matters.

Some thoughts as someone who conceals my full sized handgun with a pro-life shirt almost daily. Meekness is an act of strength. Meaning, we grow in meekness by having the ability to exercise violence and choosing not to. If you are going to conceal carry or exercise self defense in any other way, you have to continually train and refine your skill sets. Fear associated with poor training is what leads people to go to violence first. Having the peace of mind to know when and how to use the tools at your disposal gives you ample time to deescalate or to remove yourself from the situation. Finally, if you are going to commit to being prepared to defend yourself, you also need to get medical training to the degree that you are able to triage anything your skills allow you to inflict. Frankly, I've used more of my medical training on car accidents than I've ever had to use my firearms training. I'll link some good training and knowledge videos and websites for those of you who want to be responsible when it comes to self defense.

@billfill

2 жыл бұрын

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@billfill

2 жыл бұрын

I think several of the links I posted were lost, reply to this if you would like some resources

@billfill

2 жыл бұрын

www.stopthebleed.org/training

@friedawells6860

2 жыл бұрын

I would be interested!

Don't seek violence, but at the same time you don't have to fall victim to violence either.

(Catholic) self defense instructor here. That was a good cursory overview. I think it's always worth mentioning that Christ himself had excellent advice on the subject regarding SD, lethality and proportionality. E.g. if someone smacks you, you can turn the other cheek. If your life is in danger, aquire lethal state of the art "assault" weaponry. Sell your jacket to do so, if required. "Swords" are lethal weapons. Thus killing is implied as incidentally justifiable by our Lord himself. Pacifism is an immoral and terminal condition, my friends.

@mattt.4395

Жыл бұрын

swords are swords

Best I’ve heard on the subject! Thankyou for the truth in right respective. There’s a lot of people who need to hear this.

This is why I love American Catholics

Fr Pine, you knock it out of the park with all these questions answered videos. They're all such good questions.

@josephzammit8483

2 жыл бұрын

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Thank you for this video, it was posted at exactly the right time for me. -I’m currently locked in a dispute with my husband’s family & you’ve reminded me that I don’t have to submit to anyone. God bless.

Thank you Father as always for your information!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻😇😇😇😇

🤗 Saint Michael the archangel please defend us.

Thanks for the teaching Fr. Gregory Pine!

Excellent teaching and clarification.👍🏻 If we are attacked, the INTENT is to use proportionate force to defend ourselves by stopping the threat. In the case of using a gun against an attacker, the intent is to stop him, not to kill him, right?

We Templars get flack for putting ourselves into potentially violent situations. We don’t do it because we like confrontation, but because we have sworn an oath to protect Christians and Christendom as well as those that may not be Christian but are still innocent and defenseless. At the same time we are called Christian Hardliners for our conviction of faith. Just thought I would throw that in there as we deal with the self defense question quite a bit. God Bless and Deus Vult!

@wilhufftarkin8543

2 жыл бұрын

What do you mean by "we"?

Thanks Fr Pine. I'm a (Protestant) born-again believer currently working as a nurse aide, and a much younger (23? yr old) coworker has, in my opinion, been very rude to me (ex: shut a door in my face) and taken advantage of my kindness. (I was foolish to loan her money; I had thought she was more mature.) I think I would accept a 50% re-payment and even accept payment to my church in place of payment to myself. But it's very hard to communicate with her so I have yet to make her that deal. I guess I'm more concerned that she grow up and receive Jesus than whether I get repaid. I ask people to pray for her salvation but I suspect I'm not done dealing with her rudeness. Can viewers simply pray that Diamond gets saved please? I would also like her to hear my feedback about her misconduct.

An AR is NOT an assault rifle! That’s like saying the mass and the rosary are of equal value! Also of interesting note: if someone intends to kill you (their will being manifested in words or actions) and one determines this, it is not wrong to will to kill them if they’re trying to kill you. Kind of a “Duh” thing.

@phoult37

2 жыл бұрын

AR stands for ArmaLite Rifle. Frustrating that good people repeat leftist talking points

"Speculative eterprises are often the most practical considerations" oooh yeah , Fr. Pine you understand my language and personality. And having a topic for "small talk" lol Thank you very much Fr. Pine

6:18 _"because we have means to imprison someone for a long time"_ There were oubliettes in some places when St. Thomas penned his words ... The longer you imprison some (like the closer the verdict comes to earlier ones on death penalty) the more frustration is that person going to feel for longer and longer time. Note, the frustrations in death row are more due to prolongations after prolongations than to death penalty itself as such. And the more people who are treated that way, the more people you need who are "capable of dealing with them" - one desideratum being at least apparent humanity, but one being also prudence about a dangerous person. Is society best served by getting more and more of those who have seen too much evil in fellow men of less fortune than themselves?

Thank you Fr. Pine!

We need to do more to defend the persecuted church.

I love the show I'm 💯 Catholic & I took a hybrid of 🥋 Judo & Aikido & Some Sambo, Aka Systema. 🙏🛐God bless please pray for me 🙏 Thank you God bless & Go Buffalo Victory!!🙏💯🐂🐂🐂🐂🐂💯☺️👍

Fr. Pine, thank you for spending time to record videos for this channel. I watch only the episodes where you are in it 😁. God bless you, "chief"!

The self-defence question has always baffled me until now. Thanks Fr

Would have been useful to have included some explanation of how this all fits with the ;'turn the other cheek' admonition.

@mikefox4247

2 жыл бұрын

I can't answer for Fr. Pine, but I've always thought of the "turn the other cheek" admonition as we should not seek revenge. Also, Christ calls us not to bear a grudge or hold on to bitterness when someone does us wrong (easier said than done and usually impossible without God's grace!). However, that is different from defending ourselves (or our loved ones) from a violent attack. Sometimes there is a duty to defend (if necessary, with deadly force). For example, a police officer would be expected to try and stop a dangerous criminal from hurting the innocent. As a husband and father, I also feel a duty to protect my family (from both spiritual and earthly dangers). Revenge should never be our motive, but sometimes violence (even deadly force) may be necessary to defend the innocent.

Thank you! Really needed this explanation

Awesome!! Fantastic many blessings

AR = Armalite Rifle ARs are not assault rifles. Yes, it’s not the point you are making.That point was well taken;) Appropriate response instead of proportionate response. Overwhelm them with superior facts and resources. End the conflict quickly. Good topic and points. Thanks

I am delighted to see a Dominican priest. I am 87 and grew up in the shadow of Dominicans. I was at Dominican school, the priests were Dominicans and I was a non-catholic attending daily mass. I became a Catholic when I was 18. I have not been faithful and a very short time ago I discovered my grandfather was a Catholic. He was supposed to have been killed in the first world war, although I am non sure about that.

Thank you

7:25 Interesting topic! We'll wait for the next Pints w/A

Fr. Gregory, I find the argument that it's permissible to kill a Nazi in self-defense, but not okay to lie to them in self-defense, incoherent. Can you explain the inconsistencies in this?

Christian men should rediscover the chivalrous code.

Catholic men have a duty to defend the helpless and the innocent . If you see someone attacking a helpless person and you do nothing, that is a sin. God doesn’t like cowards, and you will have to answer for your lack of courage when you stand before Christ. You should always defend yourself. Those who prey on people will do so more if they are not met with resistance. If you are a pacifist you are helping evil to spread. Be like an honorable knight and do not fear man, if you fear another human you are giving them too much respect. Only fear God.

Good presentation. Fyi... an AR 15 is just a rifle, not an "assault rifle". The media uses this inaccurate description all the time for deliberate confusion of the audience. Thanks!

Just war theory does justify fighting any defensive war, if attacked, there really can possibly be no limits on what you're obliged to do- if attacked, and in an unwinnable war, due to differences in firepower, you *must* completely eradicate the power that has attacked your people, there are no possible limits on waging a war if your people are attacked... same as if the state attacks any innocent, then the state must be completely eradicated, to make an example to other states of "do this and you *will* inevitably die off at the hands of the one you've attacked- do this and you are going to lose, no matter what, and your whole society will die off long before the one you've attacked dies, no matter what.", as that's needed for self-defense: to eradicate the entire faction that has attacked you, no matter the ability.

Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life.

@josephzammit8483

2 жыл бұрын

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@elitisthavoc3949

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephzammit8483 Saint John Bosco pray for us, that we may have many new vocations from todays youth who wish to conform their lives to Gods Will and live holy saintly lives. Amen

@josephzammit8483

2 жыл бұрын

@@elitisthavoc3949 A very nice prayer of yours. St John Bosco has surely heard you and will pass on your prayer to the Most Holy Trinity.

Thankyou for your points. I have been very confused about this topic, as I wonder where self defence fits with turning the other cheek.

@carolinpurayidom4570

Жыл бұрын

Turning the cheek actually refering to a cultural insult he was basically saying do not retialaite especially with violence he wasn't talking about a situation where you are in serious harm. The teaching was teaching about not pursuing revenge. (If someone is slaps you usually they just want one slap and aren't here to do real damage mainly just hurt your ego)

@themonsterunderyourbed9408

7 ай бұрын

A slap won't kill you. An insult won't kill you. If someone points a gun at you or someone else, it's only logical to conclude that they are ready to kill and using deadly force would be justified. If you don't want to defend yourself, that's fine, don't do it. But don't think you'll be some sort of martyr because you refused to defend yourself from some George Floyd type criminal. If you're explicitly being executed for your belief in Jesus Christ THAT makes you a martyr.

This is why as a Catholic I can say, "Stay strapped." There have been people who were shooting people who were stopped because there was a churchgoer or neighbor with a concealed carry pistol or AR 15 or other firearm who stepped in and did what was necessary to defend the innocent. It was regrettable, but it would have been worse for the killing to continue. Couple great examples are of the shooting in texas where an ex-cop pulled out his pistol and shot the guy, and another where a neighbor loaded up his AR and ran across the street (after telling his daughter to call the cops) because he knew the cops wouldn't get there in time, and he was there, armed, and capable.

ARs are not assault rifles.

Pretty sure the Church's teaching on capital punishment goes beyond protecting society from harm or even to a corrective behaviour, but more so to satisfy the temporal punishment for grave offenses. A serial killer, when caught for countless murders can easily be locked in a cell for life. That doesn't serve the temporal punishment for the multitude of murders committed.

In the Philippines, our Criminal Law states that there are certain elements to invoke Self-defense. 1. That there is Unlawfull Agression against the person defending himself. 2. Reasonable necessity of the means employed to prevent or repel it. For example, you had defend yourself from someone who intended to hit you with a piece of pie. However, you defended yourself with a sub-machine gun. Now that's unreasonable necessity. 3. Lack of sufficient provocation on the part of the person defending himself. For example, you approached a person whom you claim to harassing your wife with a knife, and threatened him not to come near your spouse. Now that's provocation. A lack of it, is you even tried to evade the person and yet he attacked you. Hence, these are the three (3) elements needed to invoke self defense in the Revised Penal Code.

I find it difficult to augment my faith or really any of my priorities with yet another fight. I have been in more fights than the average person. From a young age. I find it virtueless. And the opposite of glorious. Violence should be a necessity for self defense. And frankly, the best self defense is fighting down right dirty, and winning at all costs. Which means that if I get into another fight, I'm choking someone until they're unconscious or dead and then kicking them square in the face with my steel toes work shoe. Or just flat out gunning them down. And moving forward with my day.

So what is the meaning of "Live by the sword die by the sword"?

Are there not times where self-defense is an obligation and not just an option?

Ok Fr. Gregory - my question is: In this discussione, which is the attitude most conformable to Christian perfection? What disposition in the face of violence is the one most pleasing to Our Lord? I understand that here the discourse becomes much more complicated. Would love to see another video. God bless!

@carolinpurayidom4570

Жыл бұрын

That we be non-violent and trust in Gods providence instead

How does "Turn the other cheek" fit into all that?

No one going to mention Exodus 22:2-3 ?

I wonder where the line is in terms of violence against dangerous ideologies. It’s a slippery slope for sure but I can’t help but feel like we’ve been a little too tolerant of certain ways of thinking to the point where it’s putting us all in danger…

Testify to others, I have problems with it specially if it is in a hostile secular environment surrounded by aggressive prone people like in some universities.

"most of us is not going to be threatened" what? Not attempting to defend the weak (from s-domy, r-pe, stealing and murder) is proper of the cowards because it is an offence to our Heavenly Father.

But Fr. Pine, the Church's perennial teaching on the death penalty isn't just based on self defense. It's also been traditionally punitive (some crimes simply merit death as punishment/expiation because of how bad they are) & also to act as a warning/example to others. While the Church's recent teaching emphasizes self-defense of the community & prefers to do away with the death penalty, it's not without controversy given some of the Church's perennial teaching. Perhaps you could further comment?

@Renault07

2 жыл бұрын

In particular, if a Catholic statesman wishes to implement or reintroduce the death penalty (in light of the Church's perennial teaching, but despite the statements of a recent Pope like Francis, would he be doing something immoral or still remain a Catholic in good standing?)

I have a serious question. When I confronted my boss about mandatory masking only for the unvaccinated 2 days ago, he ccd his respone email to about 4 other people. Should I have called him out on that? Is he trying to smear my reputation among others? I always replied just to him during the confrontation about the morality of it. My argument was primarily discrimination and that It's an attempt to cause division. Thanks for any advice. He's got a dr. In law. So it's definitely a David v Goliath situation. Thanks

@laurachimetto82

2 жыл бұрын

Pray for them

@Bernadette613

2 жыл бұрын

Be careful what you put in writing, but pray asking for guidance and continue to dialog. Maybe your superiors will hear you. God works in mysterious ways.

9:25 Then why did the majority of Saints refuse to kill or physically harm another when threatened violently or when someone was a violent threat to them and what about Christ teaching not to return violence with violence ( turn the other cheek) and his disciples followed this policy of non violence in fact Christians were known for their non violent attitude ( until the Christian militia was formed). And also what about Christ, ,Christ never returned violence with violence even when it could be coat him his life and taught others to do the same.

@XxStupendousManxX

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Carolin. Dying for the faith (martyr means witness) is something God calls His faithful to when that is what He desires. Fr. Pine isn’t meaning we have to fight back when attacked, but that we are allowed to. Otherwise the body of Christ could cease to exist, and the remainder of the planet would be in dire straits. In a smaller lens, with an armed intruder is in the home I have the right to defend my life-I could submit to the violence that would not end well for the rest of my family.

@st.mephisto8564

2 жыл бұрын

Christian Pacifism is a heresy! Church tradition always recognised not only self defence but wars and Crusades. Turn the other cheek is about an inner attitude of preferring peace and relevant to the social situation early Christians were in. It doesn't mean be a doormat

@carolinpurayidom4570

2 жыл бұрын

@@st.mephisto8564Christian pacifism isn't heresy and never has been I do believe it's ok to use violence if absolutely necessary to defend another innocent person or for the good of the community or society. But not ok to defend ourselves there are nonviolent options.

@carolinpurayidom4570

2 жыл бұрын

@@XxStupendousManxX But even people who werent martyrs and the first early Christians for example At Francis of Assisi and Dominic refused to meet violence with violence in order to defend themselves because of this teaching it's also a central teaching of Christ to love everyone even those who.hate us and persecute us. I do believe it's ok to use violence if absolutely necessary to defend another innocent life (if it's a fellow Christians join their persecution or be with them in it)or for the good of the wider community or society to defend innocent people. But when it comes to defend myself I believe it's wrong to use violence to defend myself. ( I can still defend myself but only using non violent means and yes there are ways to use physical force in non violent ways).

@st.mephisto8564

2 жыл бұрын

@@carolinpurayidom4570 "Not ok to defend yourself" who told you that? Catechism of the Catholic Church 2264:- Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow. Yes it's perfectly legitimate to defend yourself even monks and bishops have picked up weapons in Church history. Stop promoting Pacifism when Christian persecution is at peak everywhere. It's a damaging, emasculating philosophy!

Non agression principle os not Christian, as stated by st Augustine with the just War theology, violence, even agression is sometime not only a right but a duty. The only time our Lord used violence was an agression. The problem of our days is not an excess of violence put pusillanimity. Refusal to be brave enough to carry out violence and agression is the only reason Christian are not persecuted anymore, especially when the devil has full control over society.

@carolinpurayidom4570

Жыл бұрын

What no even Jesus on his time on earth never raised his hand against someone I wouldn't call flipping tables violence. Maybe erratic.

@tothem1997

Жыл бұрын

@@carolinpurayidom4570 he literaly whipped people senseless

Hm. I thought that the new Commandment (love one another as I have loved you) replaced the old Commandment (love your neighbor as yourself). Please clarify.

@michaeldulman5487

2 жыл бұрын

Christ became our neighbor and loved us as Himself. We die to ourselves and rise to new life in Christ. So, we are supposed to do as He did.

@JatnaRD

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaeldulman5487 if that were what He meant, then the Commandment to love the neighbor as ourselves and the Commandment to love one another as He loved us would be one and the same. But Jesus explicitly stated that this Commandment was new, and therefore, if new, it can't be one and the same, but a better or superior one

@JGAstaiza

2 жыл бұрын

We are not going to name you Doctor of the Church. Go, read and get instructed by Thomas Acquinas, Doctor of the Church and Saint, and Ireneaus of Lyon, Doctor of the Church and Saint.

@JatnaRD

2 жыл бұрын

@@JGAstaiza well, what did they say?

@josephzammit8483

2 жыл бұрын

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Should a Christian join the army ? ( In Western Europe ) with wokeness and left wing government agendas etc . Next video ?

Is martial arts permissible for a Christian I had a priest tell me that it shouldn’t be practiced.

@loganw1232

2 жыл бұрын

Depends if the martial arts is about combat or eastern spiritual practices.

@Damian1975

2 жыл бұрын

I did martial arts and ignored the eastern practices. Bowing to a sensai is respect Deep breathing excericse is core strength.

@lemonprime7889

2 жыл бұрын

@@Damian1975 I'm a bit worried about deep breathing exercises. I would look into Fr. Ripperger's talks about Yoga. I think deep breathing exercises put one in a suggestive trance-like state of mind which then makes them more susceptible to demonic forces. I think I heard him say something like that at some point.

@apracity7672

2 жыл бұрын

If ever you get punched and get angry or your opponent does something unsportsmanlike and you get angry, and you get this urge to « get back » at him or get angry and want to « punch his head back in angry retaliation », you are sinning. If you have the self control for this to never ever happen, then maybe. However, if you go into martial arts and fight and this happens, well then you are sinning through unrighteousness anger

@PaulAllen8.30

2 жыл бұрын

I think it depends. Some martial arts focus on the fighting techniques alone while others have meditative spiritual practices that involve channeling different kinds of energies which is obviously a forbidden practice

What if you're a "doormat" and victimized by your spouse?

New word “metonym “

I don't think you can plausibly argue that self-defence is not prohibited by the doctrine of double effect (DDE). The reason is that any account of DDE needs to be combined with a response to the 'closeness problem'. The closeness problem is to explain why DDE prohibits cases of harming in which one does not strictly intend harm. For example, suppose I push an innocent bystander onto a grenade to use his body as a shield to save 5 people but he will be blown to bits. This is a paradigm example of an act prohibited by DDE. Yet strictly speaking, I only intend that his body is sheild the five from the explosion, but I do not intend that he be harmed in anyway. If he survived the explosion I would be happy. There is no account of DDE that prohibits pushing a person onto the grenade but does not also prohibit killing a person in self-defence. If you intentionally kill in the former case, you also intentionally kill in self-defence cases.

Could we watch UFC and boxing martial arts and it won't be a sin? Thank you. God bless.

@phoult37

2 жыл бұрын

yesa

"You certainly deceive yourself and are greatly mistaken if you think that there is one set of requirements for the person in the world and another for the monastic. The difference between them is that one is married and the other is not; in all other respects they will have to render the same account, for all people are called to reach the same point: [the full measure of Christ; to become perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect]. And this is what throws everything into disorder: the idea that only the monk is required to show greater perfection while the rest are allowed to live in laxity. But this is not true!" St. John Chrysostom If it's "more fitting that a priest die than a priest kill. Way more fitting" (12.10 mins in) then it's the same for all of us. Maybe self defence is forgivable, but it is more fitting that we die than kill, because we are all priests, "all people are called to reach the same point."

How does this relates to Police law enforcement when ones do not want to obey. And what about abortion? If ones know a person works in a Baby killing place, and yet we do not use force as last resource…are we sinning?

Whilst my views have changed and believe self-defense is morally licit I believe we as christians should follow the higher way and that is to rather be harmed then harm someone else for that is what christ did its not easy but that is the radical love of Christ and that being said I don't think christians even need violence as we have God and the angels as our defense.

I haven't been able to reconcile what seems like a command and not a suggestion from Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount with the Church's teaching on just self-defense, and your video just didn't help, father.

@AlrightDave

2 жыл бұрын

What do you think Jesus meant by this "...and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Luke 22:36

@sanjivjhangiani3243

2 жыл бұрын

The commands in the sermon on the mount involved a sort of Oriental hyperbole that we are not used to in the West. For example, do you really believe that if someone steals one thing belonging to you that you are morally obliged to run after him and give him something else? If not, are you not picking and choosing? If you took the statement about turning the other cheek literally, it would only apply to a slap in the face. If you start applying it to other self-defense scenarios, then you are interpreting it. So, why do you think that your interpretation is better than St. Thomas Aquinas's?

Hold on can't watch the video, eating a hot dog. My face when I clicked on the video:😮

Fr Gregory…. Fasting so hard for so long as to lose some coherence in thought and speech. For heavens sake man, the time has come to EAT something! Put that healthy mind in a healthy body.

Our Lord Jesus told us to love our enemies and do good to those who hurt us. There is nothing in Christ's teaching to suggest that we should defend ourselves. To suffer is to be with Christ.

@MarciesWhimsySoaps

2 жыл бұрын

Right. To turn your cheek 70 times seven. The Mennonites live this rule. Fr. Gregory. Why is this discussion from Jesus to His apostles not taken into consideration on this? I know St. Thomas Aquinas is a doctor of the church, but why is his words considered more than our Lord Jesus? Can you please address this? Thank you.

@themonsterunderyourbed9408

7 ай бұрын

The Bible tells us we must protect life. If you don't protect your life or the lives of others it means you don't value them and their blood will be on your hands if you do nothing. Loving enemies DOES NOT MEAN to let yourself or others get killed. Doing good to those that HURT you, not MURDER you or others. You're wrong. Sorry you don't seem to get it. You won't be considered a martyr because you refuse to defend yourself or others against some drug dealing criminal like George Floyd.

Jesus taught don't repay evil with evil.

@mattd7650

2 жыл бұрын

Self defense isn’t about retribution. Motivation seems to be key with what he is saying. Trying to protect yourself=permissible. Trying to hurt the person who hurt you=not permissible. There is a logical difference. The second one would be evil the first wouldn’t.

@st.mephisto8564

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattd7650 How do you do the former without the latter? Killing as self defence is allowed

@josephzammit8483

2 жыл бұрын

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