I’m here for the cheeky late night incognito browser sessions.

@bw-mx1dy

2 жыл бұрын

He said it with such a straight face too. I was impressed.

@uvuvwevwevweossaswithglasses

2 жыл бұрын

"Cheeky" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

@Ironic-Social-Phobia

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry Tim stopped doing those videos after he shaved the moustache...

@jhaybz29

2 жыл бұрын

​@@bw-mx1dy He has Paladin levels of concentration! Not even a slight smirk!

@fugehdehyou

2 жыл бұрын

I got cheeky incognito tabs open on my VA while I watch this on my IPS

4:35 it is absolutely terrifying seeing that many blue bars at once

@sushimshah2896

2 жыл бұрын

It's just Tim trolling us, dammit how the fuck would I see it this on my phone, other than to play @4k & take a screenshot

@RYANFERNS19

2 жыл бұрын

Absolute horror

@stocktrader9861

2 жыл бұрын

HATE IPS GLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are one of the best at summarizing in simple terms the overall findings and what everyone wants to know in the end. Excellent, and thanks for the video!

Thanks for explaining the different types of monitors and the shortcomings of each type . Thanks for updating the info on what's changed over the years as well

I bought my 24G2 in February of last year because of your review and have loved it ever since. Thank you Hardware Unboxed.

Tim's sense of humor has greatly increased since losing the beard. Cheeky

@dallesamllhals9161

2 жыл бұрын

Naah! I'd say mutton chops as the next "project" :-D

@johnz6877

2 жыл бұрын

...incognito browser session.

I've got to say thank you so much for this video. You could have just talked about values, but you went into how monitors actually work and I really appreciate the detail.

Always glad to see update videos on "state of the market" topics like this. Thanks, Tim!

@MoChuang343

2 жыл бұрын

Why are VA panels much less common in laptops compared to TN and IPS?

@michaelmonstar4276

2 жыл бұрын

Like a "State of the Union" for consumers?...

@LutraLovegood

Жыл бұрын

@@MoChuang343 It's a size issue, small VA panels are harder to make than small IPS for the same resolution.

I'm studying for the CompTIA A+ and this is so helpful to understand the difference between the different sorts of displays! Thanks :)

Tim if you happen to see this and HUB is interested an update on ultrawides in 2021 would be great to see!

Such effort and the work you guys do behind the scenes is really admirable. Great work as always lads.

I did not watch a regular you tube video, I just watched a Lecture on panels worthy of any decent Uni, done by a teacher that does not want to show of but to be clear and concise. Thanks man ! EXCELLENT !

You guys are my favorite monitor review source hands down pure professionalism right here. Thank you for that.

@mixed_nuts

2 жыл бұрын

Rtings hands down.

@riba2233

2 жыл бұрын

Nope

@lg8048

2 жыл бұрын

Techless(channel)....would like a word with you.

Thanks for the absolutely wonderful content! I've been avoiding buying a new monitor for years because I've fallen off of understanding the current state of technologies in this particular industry but you've helped me catch up so immensely that it's probably beyond my ability to quantify. Liked and subscribed!

I can't believe the high quality of your videos... Just an amazing work!

Hardware Unboxed can read my mind. Been looking for exactly this just a couple days before it was uploaded.

I love the deadpan "late night cheeky incognito browser session" delivery

@HopemanGG

2 жыл бұрын

Haha. That made me laugh out loud as well.

Love the explanation of the different Display types in the beginning!

Thanks Tim/HWunboxed, I'm looking for a new monitor since I've tuned my build. Great video as always.

Thanks for the tech update. I am in the market for a new monitor. Great overview of the panel types!

IPS is my favorite panel, not going back to another got the LG 32GP850 it's so nice to the eyes.

@Austin1990

2 жыл бұрын

I always had good IPS screens, and a "good" VA screen did not live up to the comparisons in reviews (including this video). VAs are inferior to modern IPS screens in every single respect. They may offer faster performance at a price point, but the screen quality will be far worse. VA panels do NOT have relatively good blacks like this video suggests.

@banner7310

2 жыл бұрын

I got a TN panel. I care about fast reaction times but i was able to counter the bad coloring with AMDs software. Being able to tweak colors, brightness, hue further beyond the moniter is awesome and definitely helps. U pretty much have a 200 slider limit. I see no reason to get a ips panel personally bc of the feature

@Austin1990

2 жыл бұрын

@@banner7310 Have you ever used a high quality IPS panel?

@Austin1990

2 жыл бұрын

@@timmyp6297 I have a modern, high end VA panel, and it does not beat a good IPS, not even close. For one, the contrast drops with viewing angle enough that only the middle of the screen has good contrast. But, even then, it is not better than the older, high end IPS screens that I have. Edit: Also, none of these LCDs have the contrast nor black levels of a CRT. VA is faster than.IPS at a given price, but do not fall for the outright lie that you will get the same picture quality with a VA. Too many reviewers pander to viewers. I watch these videos to be educated, not validated. I will never get another VA panel. Tech Deals gets a lot of hate for telling it like it is, as when he said that Ryzen 1000 was noticeably less snappy than an Intel processor and that Intel systems were more stable (all of which has been fixed by AMD). But, I value that information.

@lgquelhas

2 жыл бұрын

@@Austin1990 "I have a modern, high end VA panel..." Yeah, right. I'm sure you do..

I subscribed to this channel because of previous in depth version of panel comparison

Great work, as always! Really good and easy to understand overview and comparison. Thanks!

Just late last month I was searching for and found your original versus of monitors tech, so crazy to see this released right after, such a coincidence

I got the Gigabyte M27Q recently because of you guys and Rtings and I love it, it's such a great screen, especially for what I paid, $270. You guys rock!!!

@gamerdj7534

2 жыл бұрын

For 270 how

@qysbuzahra9792

Жыл бұрын

Is there much different between it and g27qc i am considering in buying it

Gotta love the LG C1 just being put in there to tell monitor manufacturers, “This is the mark you all need to hit!”

@mryellow6918

2 жыл бұрын

just wish there was a 32 inch version

@mryellow6918

2 жыл бұрын

@@drunkhusband6257 im used to 350 nits

@joemarais7683

2 жыл бұрын

@@mryellow6918 350 nits is also completely fine since it's a content consumption monitor. No ones gonna be in their brightly lit room doing their taxes or homework on a C1. At least I'd hope not.

@bryr9997

2 жыл бұрын

@@drunkhusband6257 I am one of the few with a high end HDR monitor (X35) and an OLED. The OLED HDR smashes the X35, it's way better. In dark scenes the blooming on the x35 is pretty distracting as well. Mini Leds like the recently released Asus 4k HDR close the gap, but the HDR on an OLED is simply unbeaten at this point in time, if only there was no burn in risk. An Oled at 32 inches or maybe even 42 would be perfect for a desktop monitor.

@LoLo-vh2hn

2 жыл бұрын

@Stefan What is a really good monitor for my nivida tuf gaming 3090 rtx 24 gig gpu also I’m running a 5950x ryzen with a new rog extreme viii board by amd ryzen???? Help please I want a monitor that gives me the best performance out of my graphics card?? Ps I do have a 55 inch oled cx lg tv is that a better monitor for now??

This info update was very much needed, and appreciated. Thanks.

Very nice video for keeping up with the latest technologies in monitors. You should do these more often for other hardware like the state of current motherboards and their features, o storage, stuff like that.

Things have changed quite a lot in 12 months. Last year I needed to replace my monitor, and people back then were recommending TN for gaming, IPS for serious graphics work, and discouraging people from buying VA screens at all. At that time, VA was the 'middle ground', decent response time and decent view and colour range. but for some reason people didn't like the technology! I took a gamble and ventured into that so-called 'middle ground' and bought a VA screen... I'm so pleased I did, because they weren't so popular, I got a bargain! Thanks for a great video!

@beebee8717

2 жыл бұрын

What monitor did u get.. i'm planning to buy a 32" VA (MSI G32CQ4) cuz i like bigger screens and good contrast but still apprehensive because of the infamous VA ghosting.

@stocktrader9861

2 жыл бұрын

HATE IPS GLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@misterspitfire6564

2 жыл бұрын

@@beebee8717 Lenovo c24-c25 24" (I've never had a single problem with it - fantastic colour, contrast and viewing angles. I'm delighted with it!)

@pr3cious193

Жыл бұрын

@@misterspitfire6564 do you game with it though? How's the ghosting?

@LutraLovegood

Жыл бұрын

For people where idiots, VA has been good enough for gaming for over a decade. And same goes to drawing and painting digitally as long as you don't need prints. There's more to gaming than CSGO tournaments.

"Cheeky late-night Incognito browser session." That's a good one LMAOOO

Love this channel with all the information you guys provide. Keep up the amazing work!

This video is pure gold! Very swift and structured list.

Id stay away from the Va panels unless were talking about the high end samsung models. Most other Va's have terrible smearing/ghosting and the panels are just slow in general.

@ryans3795

2 жыл бұрын

Msi optix mpg27cq was good for 400-450, but yeah, since the pandemic started most va panels seem much worse than their ips counterparts for the price. I really wanted a VA so I got the odyssey g7 and have been very pleased by it. Just hoping the price comes down for the Samsung and any of its ips competitors so we can finally stop worrying about low end ghosting.

@s4nder86

Жыл бұрын

This hasn't been true since 2018 when LG 32GK850G came out.

@KaneNova

Жыл бұрын

Is it really noticeable on daily usage and while casually gaming?

@theocritus2677

Жыл бұрын

My lenovo g32qc-30 doesn't have terrible smearing/ghosting and has fast response time, also pretty cheap

@JuanJimenez-oq2lk

Жыл бұрын

VA panel the best-selling Lie, VA panel is not black in dark scenes the color is inaccurate and has bad uniformity, IPS-ADS is better

Tim:The highest refresh rate monitors are 360hz Acer: Hold my hertz

Thanks. That was very nicely explained. Your voice is so easy to listen to as well.

Very interesting deep-dive in the different display technologies.

Hey Tim, you might wanna update the old video title saying it's backdated and pin a comment there redirecting new viewers here. The old video has three quarter to a million to a million views and I know from personal experience that many people see viewcount as more trusty source. Keep up the good work!

@mr.almezeini647

2 жыл бұрын

Or you could see the date of release. Snd infer that it's outdated 🤷‍♂️

@Your_Paramour

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.almezeini647 For someone who doesn't know anything about monitors (the intended audience for this video), then how are they supposed to know the information is no longer relevant? Not everything sees a dramatic change in a 2 year period to render previous information completely obsolete.

@nathangamble125

2 жыл бұрын

@@Your_Paramour The information on the older video is at least not _completely_ obsolete. Most of the points are still true, (though to a lesser degree, and apart from the fact that very fast VA panels now exist).

8:37 "The exceptions to this are garbage, trash tier entry-level junk some OEMs like to punish their low-end laptop buyers with" DAMN

@WigglyWings

2 жыл бұрын

~1000$ gaming laptops have real bad panels, he is not wrong.

@nemo4evr

2 жыл бұрын

And now tell us how you really feel about this. . . please don't hold back he he

@rafiorton5154

2 жыл бұрын

@@DickCheneyXX If ~$100 monitors can do near 100% sRGB then the panels that go into $1000 laptops should be able to as well, in what world does "decent monitors" start at $500? You can buy a 27GL850 for example for €320 - 350 in Europe (and $400 or so on Amazon right now), and that's a 1440p 144hz Nano-IPS monitor even if it's from a couple generations back (and it's still one of the best performers today)

@jack_of_all_braves

2 жыл бұрын

Savage

@cosmic_gate476

2 жыл бұрын

@@DickCheneyXX I got my 1440p 144hz 1ms with 97% srgb and 1000:1 contrast ratio for $250 in 2019, you're just a bad shopper lmao

Amazing video man, it had all the answers I was looking for ! Thanks a lot!

Thanks for taking then time to let us know, SUBSCRIBED!

This was extremely informative and educational, thank you for all the work! ...having said that, there's - ok, no "one best choice", but how about a few suggestions of which models offer a nice balance between contrast, gamut and response times? (And to spice it up, some HDR? :D) Because as great as all the testing and reviews are (again, thank you for the immense work!), I think they can easily leave people a little lost simply due to the sheer amount of options.

@quartzar

5 ай бұрын

Seeing as you didn't specify a price range or affordability, you are best served either by QD-OLED panels or the new Mini-LED panels that have thousands of lighting zones without the cost and burn-in of OLED

Tim, I genuinely appreciate your work and I get the point of this video is a "State of the market" video rather than a real comparison as to the differences between the technologies. This is mostly accurate to actual current end products but it's not particularly accurate to the actual differences between the panel types. It's still propagating much of the same mistaken conclusions that has been common for years. For one, pixel response is dictated by the backplane. It has very little to do with the actual panel other than if the backplane chosen doesn't provide sufficient current for pixel switching on a particular display and/or type of display. TN panels require the least current to switch subpixels on or off so they can have good motion performance with basically any backplane. IPS panels generally need between 2-3 times the current to do the same. IGZO backplanes were specifically developed for IPS displays as their current handling is roughly in line with what is required for proper motion performance on non quantum dot enhanced IPS displays(QDE displays require less current). VA panels require the most current to switch subpixels on or off. They require almost as much as LG's WOLEDs(still less than a full RGB OLED). Until about 2019, this meant the only backplane tech you could use to get proper motion on a VA panel was an LTPS one. Now, we have LTPO as well for a slightly more cost and energy efficient option. The problem is that people have misunderstood these technologies and the way they have been marketed specifically for monitors over the last 15-18 years hasn't been great. VA panels are actually more expensive to produce than IPS panels but have the perception of being a lower cost alternative. To hit this lower cost, cheap VA panels are commonly shipped with underpowered amorphous silicon backplanes which really only work well with TN panels and certain IPS variants. This perpetuates the bad data. The reason the Odyssey G7 has such good motion performance is that it's QD enhanced and has an LTPO backplane. It's not because it's a "new generation" of panels. While it is a more recent production panel, that means very little to the conclusion. All of this means we don't actually get the best, cost optimized monitors, we get the ones that will sell given the current perception of the data. Number two, IPS and VA panels are currently capable of roughly equal gamut performance as well as color accuracy, especially once you add a quantum dot filter to both. However, IPS are much better overall at color consistency and less commonly suffer from DSE or banding. The first true 10-bit panels were VA by years lead over the first true 10-bit IPS panel. VA panels typically do better with displaying red, IPS with blue. Again, this is a mistaken belief based on the current market segments these occupy, not on their actual performance. The individual product gamut performance is actually reversed in TVs so that sets with VA panels are typically the better performers. Three, brightness absolutely is dictated by panel type. IPS panels are capable of the highest brightness for a given backlight because their subpixel structure allows the most amount of light through. This is actually one of the primary reasons for IPS glow and why backlight bleed is often more noticeable on IPS panels. The subpixel structure is pretty poor at sealing light when they are in the "off" position. This is also why IPS panels tend to perform quite poorly by comparison to VA when both use the same FALD backlight. VA subpixels allow the least amount of light through both when "on" and especially when "off". You need a stronger backlight to reach the same brightness. On the flip side, VA panels handle FALD backlights extremely well due to how well they seal light when "off". TN are somewhere in the middle here but honestly aren't super relevant anymore other than for cost.

it's nice when complicated technologies and other things are explained in a way that's simple and easy to understand (for the most part) it helps a lot for us amateurs lol, thanks :)

Superb breakdown and explanation! Helped me decide to go with a VA panel.

although i know that ips/va is better than tn in a lot of aspects, i still stay with my tn just because dyac feels so good.

Hey Tim, MSI has released a new firmware update for their Optix MAG274QRF-QD that is said to fix the lack of sRGB clamp & the previous over-saturation problems. As someone who doesn't own but wants to buy this monitor, can you test & confirm this? Thanks, man. Edit: A lot of people have confirmed that yes, the new firmware update works and it fixed the lack of sRGB clamp. You can now choose between P3, AdobeRGB and sRGB. And yes, this goes for the non QD version as well AND for the "new" model made to comply with EU standards, ending with the "DE-QD".

@peterd.8653

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I have this monitor and with new firmware (015+), you can clamp gamut to: P3, AdobeRGB and sRGB space. But native gamut is good too... i like the saturated colors in some games :-)

@theovermind05

2 жыл бұрын

I also have this monitor and what ​ @Peter D. said is actually correct. You can clamp the color gamut to: P3, AdobeRGB and sRGB space.

@PanRhei

2 жыл бұрын

Why doesn’t Nvidia offer sRGB clamp emulation the way AMD does? It should be an essential feature that would make us less reliant on how good the manufacturer’s sRGB implementation is.

@joe_ferreira

2 жыл бұрын

@@PanRhei why doesn't Microsoft do it in Windows like Android and iOS do it? Microsoft really needs to make the windows 11 display settings more user friendly for creators with features like this that matter. ICC could also use some love.

@Flying--T

2 жыл бұрын

Is anyone able to flash the new firmware? Tried it using their Monitor UI tool and it just fails :(

Well done mate. Excellent analysis and presentation.

Thank you for doing an update on this topic.

Thanks for the G7 review previously, I went from being annoyed at the light gray "dark" game levels with my IPS to being absolutely in love with my 27" G7.

@Kage0No0Tenshi

2 жыл бұрын

Ips > tn 1080p 120Hz > ips 4k 144Hz > va G7 best of all was my new va

@leonai97

2 жыл бұрын

@J D They do have flat version but is G5 if i not mistaken.

@CornFed_3

2 жыл бұрын

@J D, Samsung is releasing flat G7, G5 and G3 monitors this year. They already had the debut for them.

@trashbatter

2 жыл бұрын

@J D Note that the flat ones are 144hz IPS displays. If you're okay with the bad contrast ratio and lower refresh rate it could be good.

@neven9051

2 жыл бұрын

@@CornFed_3 They are crap IPS panels, nothing to be excited.

15:33 I wasn't expecting to see Optimum on this channel lol

@sushimshah2896

2 жыл бұрын

His production & aesthetics are also on another level for a 1-man show

@LexJJ

2 жыл бұрын

not the first time that Hardware Unboxed features that B-Roll from Ali's video on the XL2546K 👀 love both channels, and Bijan as well, these 3 are my go to KZread channels for monitors

That's a really good explanation of the three technologies.

Very interesting video. I would like a second episode where you recommend good displays for each technology.

7:10 "if you're having a cheeky incognito late night browser session" lmaoooo also, that facial hair is growing back nice and fast, bet he's happy about that haha

@namja01

2 жыл бұрын

I knew I wasn't the only one that caught that, lmao

After getting a VA panel I do not think I could go back to IPS. I am visually impaired and VA is just so much easier on the eyes. It is a lot easier to see in games. Of course the response time is worse but tbh it isn't much worse. My panel is also 3000:1 contrast ratio which I love.I'd love to see my monitor reviewed here. It is a budget 1440p 165hz VA. It is the Asus VG27WQ1B.

@TheCreator919

2 жыл бұрын

wym response time is worse? VA panels are supposed to have better response times than IPS panels

@2KOOLURATOOLGaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCreator919 I don't think so anymore.

@markjacobs1086

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCreator919 They usually suffer in near black transitions (with the exception of Samsungs Oddyssey G7/G9). The rest of the transitions are usually pretty good (near IPS at the very least).

@yosharian

2 жыл бұрын

@raygetard it's literally the opposite.

@riannair7101

2 жыл бұрын

i have one (VA panel from Samsung and was even a quantum dot one 144 HZ ) , but i cant stand up for those smearing give you VA panel .

Very informative video. Thanks for making this. I've been wondering about what separates the main types of monitor technology and now I know a bit more about the subject.

Great in depth sampling and rundown. Thanks

Interesting, I always thought IPS was the best for image quality, didnt know its worse contrast than VA.

@sinistar5041

Жыл бұрын

Me too

@secretperson5630

Жыл бұрын

But VA has insane ghosting / Black smearing and IPS has better Colours and no Black smearing and less ghosting 😂😂

@hellowill

Жыл бұрын

@@secretperson5630 yeah VA black smearing ruins it for me. Sticking with IPS until more OLEDs.

@secretperson5630

Жыл бұрын

@@hellowill yeah that sounds good right now Im using the asus TUF vg27aq 27” 1440p 165 hz ips that monitor is insane compared to a bad VA Samsung monitor I had before.

I can't deal with ips lack of contrast. I play in the dark usually and even high end panels look terrible. I had 3 1080p monitors and was looking to replace those 3 with 1440p panels for my sim rig. Tried the highest rated IPS monitors and they just looked awful to my eyes. Had to splurge and get 3 32 inch G7 monitors and I'm happy with them.

Thank you for these insights Tim

Cool, nice to have an update on this

I remember watching the first one

@RafitoOoO

2 жыл бұрын

I watched the first one last week lol

I went from a 2015-ish 1440p@60 IPS to a 2019 4K@60 flat VA panel after I got fed up with IPS-glow in scenes with dark content, e.g. space themed games. Despite the former being a "professional grade" monitor I actually haven't noticed anything that's worse on the VA other than gamma shift. In fact, I have better contrast, gamut, and very similar response times. Although all panel types have improved over time, I don't think I could go back to the inferior contrast and glow of IPS panels. Actually, my next monitor will likely be an OLED, depending on what's available in 2023.

@pr3cious193

Жыл бұрын

But what about ghosting?

@maugre316

Жыл бұрын

@@pr3cious193 There's a very tiny bit when scrolling text but otherwise I barely notice any.

great video, very good info delivery I´ll recomend this one to people who are looking for a new monitor

Congratz on a mil subs in advance. You guys are awesome

Had all types of panels but i have to say i like my current G7 32 inch samsung VA alot. I went from Asus predator IPS wich had more vibrant colors but the black is TONS better on the samsung and 240hz is pretty sweet.

@boden_staendig

2 жыл бұрын

By "vibrant" you mean oversaturated. The G7 has very accurate colors out of the box.

@elitecol69

2 жыл бұрын

The Samsung g7 32 had horrible fluro colours especially reds and greens, thousands of really fine horizontal grey lines when gsync is enabled was very visible on msfs2020, shit stand and the screen wobbles around just with air currents like a fan blowing 5 meters away, it looks like a bow tie because the screen is so curved too. Worst menu system I've ever experienced, and didn't even have fps display for a gaming monitor, just super disappointing for a $1100 screen. Yucky VA panel. The pixels looked shit there's more gaps between them vs predator xb323, predator pixels look more dense even though they are the same resolution. I sold my g7 32 after 3 weeks and got the xb323.

I've been trying to hunt down a new monitor for a couple of weeks now, and this video really helped me figure out what I should be aiming for. Since my priority is non-competitive gaming, it sounds like a good VA monitor would be best for me. Now I just need to find one that's not ridiculously expensive, but that still offers good performance in HDR and resolution.

@borys4

2 жыл бұрын

Any luck?

@stocktrader9861

2 жыл бұрын

HATE IPS GLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The best VA I had is the GM34-CW, fast response time and 138% sRGB. You should try to test it as I think it will be very interesting.

Awesome video with great information. Thank you so much for sharing! Subbed!!!

Im still waiting on a gaming ultrawide oled display. Will be an instabuy regardless of the price

@philipsk

2 жыл бұрын

Have an ultra wide now. It's hit and miss depending on the game. I would just get an OLED TV to game on instead of waiting for one. Might not even happen. Micro led will come around eventually

@berengerchristy6256

2 жыл бұрын

@@philipsk tvs are just too big for my taste. I have a predator x35 and it's fantastic. I think it'll be a good long while before there are dedicated oled monitors

@FireOccator

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you don't mind it costing an organ or two.

Super helpful!! Would love to have a way to better understand and show what a 3000:1 to 1000:1 to say 800:1 contrast ratio really looks like.

@unknown185

2 жыл бұрын

Blacks on 3000:1 look black meanwhile others look gray

@danw7864

2 жыл бұрын

@@unknown185 yeah pretty much. 1000:1 sucks

@unknown185

2 жыл бұрын

@@danw7864 im thinking of buying thr neo g9. Is it good?

@danw7864

2 жыл бұрын

@@unknown185 I have an LG 34 gp83a-b so can’t speak directly for neo odyssey g9. If I was to purchase a monitor right now I would get the new Alienware OLED panel. OLED has such better performance and infinite contrast ratio. That’s the one to get I think

@unknown185

2 жыл бұрын

@@danw7864 but it has burn in. That why i prefer mini led. It has 2048 dimming zones

Amazing overview. Thank you!

I learned so much in this. Wow. Thanks!

Here's the dilemma I'm facing when it comes to image-quality, disregarding speed for this instance; So when you want better contrast, you'd get one of the better VA-panels, but if you want better color-accuracy/gamut, you'd get one of the better IPS-panels. - For me, being the creative stickler that I am, that would mean an IPS-panel. - However, I don't entirely agree that you've covered everything with color-accuracy/gamut when it comes to image-quality for production in that sense. There's more to color-accuracy and that's also lighting and shading and the like, which is basically contrasting. - Why would you exclude black-levels when considering image-quality for productivity/creativity? - That's like saying; "The sound that comes out of these speakers is fantastic and so it's great for productivity, but the noise-floor is quite high and it distorts on the louder peaks." Am I missing something about what is so "lacking" about the contrast in IPS-panels compared to VA-panels, or why it supposedly doesn't matter for productivity as long as the colors are good?... There seems to be a disconnect there. - However, that said, when I look at a calibration-website and check the outermost samples of gray shades, I can make a distinction between those and absolute black and white, despite having an IPS-panel and not a VA-panel. - So, I guess there isn't any information missing. - Should I consider the higher contrast on VA-panels just to be a case of the intensity of the experience and not actually what information it's capable of displaying?... That's what I can conclude from it, because otherwise any "professionals" using an IPS-panel would be in trouble in terms of light-work and such. - And you can always alter the experience of a screen by altering the environment, like making it darker or adding light behind the screen for example. And by the way, I was just doing this entire comment with KZread's default dark mode, which is high contrast bright white letters on a very dark background (forgot to put on Dark Reader at a way softer contrast), and I have image-retention on my retina now, so I guess this mid-range IPS-panel I have has contrast enough. - ouch

@JonathanSias

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a casual photographer with an older but impressive IPS display. Color accuracy, contrast, brightness are all very important. For my specific work, color calibrating isn't financially viable, however, I've found a great method. I tuned my screen to how I liked it, then edited my photos how I wanted. But PRINTS from my print shop came out different. I then took the print, changed my display settings so my screen matched my print, and re-edited, and reprinted. Essentially my screen is now calibrated for my print shop. What I found is the display I have is way more capable than most people's laptops or printers, but comparable to the oversaturation and contrast on modern high end phones. so my images looked distorted on other screens or medium. I really had to reign in the contrast as well. It's not that black point or contrast aren't important to the guy doing visual work, but rather that all these high end devices are well capable of everything I need, and I found I needed to tune them down.

@dejan.stankovic

Жыл бұрын

I have the same dilemma. I need to buy new monitor, I don't play games so I don't care if monitor response is too slow. What I do is work with text on few windows so I need crisp picture/contrast. Out of work, I'd use monitor for multimedia (movies/series/music videos). What I don't get is - as I know contrast is most important to get good looking picture on the screen. The best colors gamut is worthless without good contrast. How then IPS is recommended for photo/video professionals? Shouldn't they use VAs? Viewing angle isn't important for me at all because I won't watch movies or work while I am sitting off the centre of the monitor... I also believe that IPS glow problem would be intimidating to me, since I an not accustomed to it (until now I used older TN monitor). Dilemma....

@matthewzaloudek

Жыл бұрын

@@JonathanSias Pro tip for color calibrating: You can buy a calibrator off ebay for ~$100, calibrate your monitor with it, then sell it for at most a $10-20 loss. May still not be worth it to you but it beats paying full price.

I've watched A LOT of movies and series on various IPS displays over the years. When I bought an LG OLED TV I realized how much I've been missing out on. For a person that really appreciates details, OLED vs. LCD is night and day. I played CP2077 on both OLED and IPS, and it was as if the IPS has a grey filter on all the time, which blands everything. I've been drooling over OLEDs for like 7 years when I finally bit the bullet this year, couldn't be happier. I just wish 27" - 30" OLED gaming monitors were available.

@TaxEvasionUS

Жыл бұрын

Good luck with the burn in!

@DjTittySprinklez

Жыл бұрын

I have the QD Oled Alienware monitor with G Sync ultimate and dude it is fucking glorious! Beats IPS and VA out of the water! Especially in HDR. CP2077 looks so damn good on QD Oled with HDR on!

@DeathTHEGUM

Жыл бұрын

@@DjTittySprinklez name of the monitor?

@noeruxd4048

Жыл бұрын

I wish they weren't so expensive

@Fleetfoot

Жыл бұрын

@@noeruxd4048 Yeah me too, I cannot justify the extra cost of OLED, specially when I don't live in USA where the prices are more okayish.

excellently explained the issue of liquid crystals, which thanks to your video gives me a comprehensive overview of what to expect from individual types of panels, thank you!

@6:30 The camera moving to the left which makes the screen "seem" to move right while the CPU inside the screen is rotating left because the camera back then moved right. LOOKED REALLY COOL.

Outside of the monitor sphere, VA has received huge amounts of development spending as VA is regarded as the superior technology in the TV space where much more emphasis is placed on contrast and black levels.I generally prefer the way it renders and pretty much always have since buying a nec 24wmgx3 back in the day. I am not super sensitive to smearing and im terrible at competitive shooters anyway :P so the pop it gives your games is great.

@Twistshock

2 жыл бұрын

I know my 27" Odyssey G5 is hot garbage when it comes to near-black colours in video games, and there's a horrifying amount of banding. And that's after spending 1-2 hours getting the colours just right for most cases. Edit: And I'm running it at 120hz, at 144 the colours just nope out and it goes full washed out.

@Fizbini1

2 жыл бұрын

I went from a tn panel to 2k va and instantly regretted it. MoTION blur is SHIT for shooter games. Never go VA for gaming. For the love of gaming anyone reading this please don't buy va garbage

@stiegelzeine2186

2 жыл бұрын

Va and superior in the tv space? Mate there are oleds and even trash mini leds still beat va so why would anyone want va?😂🤦‍♂️

@progamer00006

2 жыл бұрын

@@stiegelzeine2186 There are BMW and Mercedes, so why would anyone still drive a Dacia? incredible, isn't it? my brain hurts reading this...

@jumpierwolf

2 жыл бұрын

@@Twistshock the g5 only has the odyssey name. It uses a budget last gen VA panel. Everything that makes the odyssey lineup better in terms of response times is missing there.

I used to have a Samsung VA monitor. However, its display died within two years, and it was already a replacement. It's true that contrast-wise it was much better than what I have now (LG 27GN950), however, I am much happier with the image quality overall - especially after calibrating it despite its poorer performance in HDR.

@CaveyMoth

2 жыл бұрын

I love my Samsung QD VA monitor. The colors POP.

@little_fluffy_clouds

2 жыл бұрын

I upgraded from the LG 27GN950 IPS to Samsung G7 VA. The difference is remarkable. Much better black levels, much higher contrast ratio and absolutely no ghosting or smearing thanks to the next gen 240 Hz panel. Accurate colours, too. Wouldn’t go back to IPS now. My next upgrade will be a 30 inch 4K OLED monitor whenever they become available in the future

@ArmchairMagpie

2 жыл бұрын

@@little_fluffy_clouds Mine was a C27HG70 back then. The first item was terrible in quality, in build, and even worse in image quality. Being a brand-loyal customer back then, I was shocked to see such a level of neglect. I got a replacement, which had again a display defect, and after inquiry, I was told that it is unlikely to get lucky the next time since they admitted that this model is junk quality in general. After the monitor finally died after two years, I decided that I will research a bit more and decided on an LG model with an IPS display instead. The black levels are worse, but I am rarely in a dark environment, so I don't care as much. Also, I have got used to 4k resolution now and if any, I'd probably upgrade similarly to you one day, i.e. 4k OLED. But Samsung as a monitor brand is kind of a no-go for now. Too many bridges burnt.

@stocktrader9861

2 жыл бұрын

HATE IPS GLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

enjoying the warmer ligthing on the set! Don't think it went unnoticed!

How do you always drop the perfect videos at the perfect time 🤣

Let me help some decide: 1-When to buy TN monitor: Play only lower graphics but fast competitive games such as Fortnite, overwatch, Apex,PUBG, no other needs for this monitor,only speed matters at an affordable price. 2- When to buy an IPS monitor: Play all types of games, specially nice looking AAA title games. Monitor is used mainly during the day time, or when all windows and lights are on thanks to IPS better brightness and stopping glare. Fast monitor as TN for games but also with great color accuracy that can easily be used as well for work environment thanks to their sharp images and text,great viewing angles. 3- When to buy VA panel: Play all types of games specially great looking AAA titles games but mainly strategy, adventure games ( TombRider comes to mind) since VA is a bit slower than both IPS and TN monitor when it comes to playing competition fast moving games such as Call of Duty, Battlefield, Apex, etc... Monitor is used mostly at night time and or in a dim environment, lights off, etc... so glare from lights and lack of brightness does not affect the viewing experience as much,also because VA have such great blacks meaning excellent contrast ratio therefore a dark environment is the perfect condition for this monitor to be used and get the most out of it. Don't beat yourself up like I did always trying to get a monitor that checks all boxes. Does not exist,even $2000 monitors lack something a cheaper one is better at. I personally decided to stick to a 2 monitor set up over time. IPS for daytime used and main monitor for work and when playing games such as Call of Duty. VA monitor as second monitor and where I would play at night adventure games where speed wasn't need it, mainly looking for comfort in the eyes and great colors and contrast, excellent picture quality in beautiful AAA games. Rhis being said I do not have cheap monitor,each of my monitors cost around $500 at 27" and 32" 1440p @ 165hz, perhaps reason why I found the sweet spot in terms of quality,price, enjoyment. By the way no I did not pay full price for the monitors,got the IPS on sale for $400 and the VA on Black Friday for $250. Patience was key

@yiigiido5154

2 жыл бұрын

Really good comment. I personally would never buy a TN Panel monitor. My current monitor has a VA panel. After using this for 4 years i ordered an IPS panel monitor (iiyama 34" gaming monitor) cant wait :)

@stocktrader9861

2 жыл бұрын

HATE IPS GLOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I switched from TN several years ago and have been using high end IPS panels since, I honestly think I'd go VA next for that much better contrast and deeper blacks.

Fantastic video. I understand this field so much better now. 😊

Thanks for this video. Very informative!

I have all 3 but I like the ips panels the most.

@charlesbronson1959

2 жыл бұрын

samsung pls panels are better than ips

@dallesamllhals9161

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlesbronson1959 Okay!

@saiprasad8078

2 жыл бұрын

What do you use them for primarily?

@meissnerflux

2 жыл бұрын

@@saiprasad8078 great question. The answer to this is a key part that is missing.

Great overview! Just wish OLED would enter the monitor space :(

@shreyasdharashivkar8027

2 жыл бұрын

Ok what? There are OLED monitors right?

@Icetea-2000

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly. Monitor companies want to keep their old technologies that they invested so much into already until the very last possible moment

@MMitic08

2 жыл бұрын

@@shreyasdharashivkar8027 They are just starting to show up and cost thousands. Getting a smaller OLED TV might still be better bang for the buck.

@Icetea-2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@shreyasdharashivkar8027 Not really, they’re almost all TVs. Aorus made a Gaming OLED TV, if you wanna count that, but practically, you don’t have any real OLED Monitor choice

@madd5

2 жыл бұрын

burn-in is a deal breaker.

Great video Tim!

Best channel for highly detailed monitor review any day

IPS backlight glow does my head in but good VA still seems very pricey + often curved, while TN seems a little sub-optimal at this point. Hopefully more new VA panels on the market soon.

@JAT985

2 жыл бұрын

I hope micro LED comes on market in the next couple years. All the benefits of OLED, none of the drawbacks.

@daweitao2668

2 жыл бұрын

@@JAT985 For sure, still some ways off but very promising.

@MaaZeus

2 жыл бұрын

In case of VA panels do not fear the curve. One of the downsides of VA is the horizontal gamma shift, where things in the center look correct but things on left and right edges have slightly elevated gamma, darker parts look a little bit brighter than they should. Not an issue with TV's because you sit so far away from it but with monitors, that are right on your face, it can be a problem. A curve eliminates this issue almost completely however, it makes the VA panel look better and uniform from edge to edge.

@daweitao2668

2 жыл бұрын

@@MaaZeus Thanks for that, good to know. Though I thought that was not an issue with VA, even if not as good as IPS. Or am I thinking of the wrong thing? Just not sure I'd like to see curved, though I guess I'd get used to it.

@Vlyn

2 жыл бұрын

The only good VA monitor is the G7.. but it has the damn curve. You can throw all other VA panels into the trash, I tried one out at 1440p 144hz and I got motion sick while gaming from the dark smearing. Grabbed a TN display instead (didn't have good IPS options) and the motion felt right again. I'd instantly buy a flat 27" G7 if it existed.. but it doesn't :-/

What about eye strain? For me even DC dimmed VA and IPS give me headaches and eye strain.

Hey Tim, appreciate the detail you put into your videos! Wondering if you can do a review on the Acer X34 GS.

Excellent video 👏 Exactly what I was looking for.

Hope u talk about IPS Glow! got it on 4 monitors cant understand how people can buy that... Edit: 30sec about that... i mean we dont all play in a studio with light evrywhere, IPS glow is such a major concern and after 4 monitors RMA (M27Q / LG 850 and other recommanded monitor) this is the worst monitor default possible, present on all IPS. Finally buy a G7, yes some backlight bleeding but nothing annoying compared to IPS glow.

@PanRhei

2 жыл бұрын

Yup it’s a criminally under reported drawback.

Just bought a 32GK650F. Outdated perhaps, but I am upgrading from a cheap 1080fps 60fps dell monitor. Hoping it works fine

@andrewlebedev7749

2 жыл бұрын

It's not too shabby. The motion blur is handled fairly decently (especially for a budget VA panel), there is occassionally some dark-level smearing during certain darker fast-paced scenes in games, but it's nothing gamebreaking imo. Most of it can also be eliminated if you dial down the contrast ratio in the settings to be more in line with IPS/TN panels (the feature called Black Stabilizer). Overall I think it's a pretty solid all-rounder in the budget category when it comes to gaming, watching movies, and office/development work

@raszelast

2 жыл бұрын

I have the 32GN650 and I absolutely love it, especially since I sit a few feet away.

@3800S1

2 жыл бұрын

I have that same monitor. I upgraded from a 12 year old 20" AOC TN panel and the difference was amazing, even if there is sometimes a little bit of dark level smearing. I saw some post effects in games I never knew where there for the first time with the LG VA panel, that's how bad the contrast was on the old TN one.

I recently got the Asus Vg34vql1b, which is a VA. Im a 1am kinda gamer so the contrast has been excellent for me. I'd love to see you guys review it so more people could know about it. At 500$ US its a great deal imo

crazy good content, dude. great video.

I've been gaming on a 40'in Vizio 4K TV (VA panel 120hz) and love it for the past year, not going back to pricey PC monitors ever. My next upgrade will be the 2022 LG OLED 42'in TV.

@iStream7

2 жыл бұрын

Im waiting for that OLED ( or even a smaller one ) as well! Got the c9 and it’s by far the best screen I’ve ever seen!

@CornFed_3

2 жыл бұрын

I’m in a similar situation. I currently have my PC hooked up to my 55” LG 4K TV and it does very well. I almost can’t imagine dropping down to a 27” monitor for gaming.

@Samir72

2 жыл бұрын

@@iStream7 Cool, plus for my taste I prefer a glossy or semi-gloss display as well.

@Samir72

2 жыл бұрын

@@CornFed_3 Agreed, I cant go back to a smaller and pricey monitor too.

@CornFed_3

2 жыл бұрын

@@Samir72, the only reason I would is for super high refresh rate.

I want to see super high refresh rate OLEDs coming out

@silmupelaa6349

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, oled would be best sides of all others or better + perfect black.

@OneDollaBill

2 жыл бұрын

You have to wait Till microled most likely

@erikheijden9828

2 жыл бұрын

@@timmyp6297 and you have to deal witb abl constantly kicking in

@Nur__

2 жыл бұрын

@@erikheijden9828 what's abl

@HeavyMetalGamingHD

2 жыл бұрын

I would want a affordable 60hz one first. And affordable at that point means below 1000€. I don't really get it, why oled tvs are getting cheaper and cheaper and are very much affordable now and we still only have ultra expensive monitors.

thank you, i finally know the different between ips, va, and tn

Very nice summary, thank you for this