I love the fact that you went into the study about eye strain and figured out that the data is cherry picked. Its probably the most important point to confirm before you quote any study.

@mikelisteral7863

2 жыл бұрын

BACKLIGHT BLEED ???????????????????????

@AssassinIronMan

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikelisteral7863 Where????

@mikelisteral7863

2 жыл бұрын

@@AssassinIronMan any monitor review that doesnt talk about back light bleed is ignorant

@AssassinIronMan

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikelisteral7863 lol you sound like a Trump supporter

@auv8118

2 жыл бұрын

@@AssassinIronMan where did you get political stance from any of what he said wtf?

Finally, a guy who is straight to the point, who knows how to do research, and isn’t a flashy youtuber with their stupidly “WOW” thumbnails... May 2021 Update: I've had my curved Monitor for a while, and I enjoy it much more than my office computer that is still nice, new but isn't curved. If you've been on the fence on curved monitors, they're worth the experience.

@tapper666

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine a video about monitors with wow thumbnails

@nothingEvil101

3 жыл бұрын

@@tapper666 They exist

@mr_confuse

3 жыл бұрын

@@tapper666 Sadly the guy above is correct

@TDPlayz

3 жыл бұрын

im just replying to keep the 1 reply per week going

@Divaksh

3 жыл бұрын

@@TDPlayz im just replying to keep the 1 reply per week going

This video is probably Saving a lot of money out there.

@dogandogan4779

3 жыл бұрын

Saved me

@future_teknokrat7585

3 жыл бұрын

Curved monitors cost the same as flat monitors for the moment. The main thing is to decide whether you want a VA panel vs IPS. All curved monitors are VA. If you are gaming or completing tasks in a mostly dim or dark setting, VA is the best choice, curved or not. IPS is better when dealing with bright environments, minis the glare.

@Bakerb1942

2 жыл бұрын

Saved me too

@kbob9625

2 жыл бұрын

@@future_teknokrat7585 IPS is universally considered better for gaming.

@TyrellW

2 жыл бұрын

@@kbob9625 except the G7 is pretty much the best gaming monitor

"Just eyeball the angle" Pretty much summed up my entire experience with graphic design right there

@hungry_khid1007

2 жыл бұрын

Architecture?

This video made me check my curved screen with a ruler to see if I got all the curve I paid for.

@n0_1d3a6

2 жыл бұрын

you get all the curve or what?

@bitcoincodm6393

2 жыл бұрын

Update us ffs

@WhiteEuphoria74

2 жыл бұрын

Do not forget to update the monitor firmware to take advantage of the latest curves.

@theyshouldhavenevergivenme5439

2 жыл бұрын

The suspense is curving my brain

@-The-Golden-God-

2 жыл бұрын

He didn't get the curve and smashed his monitor in a fit of rage

I know you've had lots of praise from others, so this may get lost in the shuffle, but I wanted to say how great these videos are and how much I appreciate them. Thank you for being authentic, simple, deep and for doing it with your own money. Your videos really help me. Blessings on all you do!

@mikelisteral7863

2 жыл бұрын

BACKLIGHT BLEED ???????????????????????

@justonexone

Жыл бұрын

@@mikelisteral7863 ??

Rich: Buy Curved Monitor Not so Rich: Flat Monitor Linus: 16 Flat Monitor, 16K RESOLUTION!

@AponTechy

Ай бұрын

Curved monitor is cheaper

"Advertisers are really good at promoting their products. Almost like they do it for a living". Great line and awesome video. Thank you!!

@CJ-rp1bn

2 жыл бұрын

Eggaxctly. Only in the 2020s does a straight line that doesn't look straight isn't considered as a defect.

@Older_Mountain-goat_1984

Жыл бұрын

By "promoting", does he mean 'lie through their teeth' in order to make a sale? And by lying, this includes ommisions to deceive potential buyers. (hence the text in the click image of this vid "What they didn't tell you.") Based on thoughtful review vids I've watched so far. - Curved is a good idea, for the immersion, but not if the monitor is small; and not a single monitor. - 1000R curved 27 or 32" monitors are ridiculous. The curve is too tight. I theorise they made them to sell to folks who haven't much money, and like to play with their face a few hundred mm from the screen...extreme budget immersion. - The best way to immerse yourself is with mutilpe monitors with a low curve rate, with a minimum coverage of two monitors. - I theorise manufacturers realised not everyone can afford multiple monitors, and they can make more money by deceptively advertising single curved monitors, hence, e.g., the idiotic 1000R curve.

I have an acer curved screen and when i look a a flat display it dosnt look right to me. Almost like the flat screen is curving the opposite way.

@patrickcarr9906

2 жыл бұрын

I just made the switch about a month ago (from curved back to flat) and I had this feeling for about a week yeah. It was very weird. Went away though.

@HalfDayHero

2 жыл бұрын

Holy shit I had the same feeling, went from curved to flat and for about a week it looked like it was sticking out toward me! Gotten used to it now tho.

@ResilientME

2 жыл бұрын

I've switched back and forth a couple times over the years and now there's zero adaption time moving between them, but yeah the first time each transition was trippy.

@HuginMunin

2 жыл бұрын

Well, it is curving away from you, sort of. What I mean is on a flat monitor, the sides are a bit farther away from your eyes than the center. That's not an optical illusion, it's just what we're used to, and usually only particularly noticeable as you get into bigger monitors.

@flutura2769

2 жыл бұрын

Omg same. I have an ultrawide curved monitor so everytime i sit in front of a flat monitor it seems like it's curved the other direction. Its so weird

I'm a UI designer who once had a curved monitor. The fact that I couldn't have a straight line appear straight on my monitor was a deal breaker for me. I just purchased a flat 34 inch ultrawide monitor.

@TheJedimaster6788

5 ай бұрын

curved monitors are TERRRIBBBLEEEE for things like modeling, photoshop, and things like that

@ClassicalPan

2 ай бұрын

@@TheJedimaster6788What about just viewing photos and videos, and general desktop use?

need to get your rating up, was researching monitors for my new pc. You are the only one I found, who actually tries to show the experience scientifically. And not just like a advertisement. Really enjoyed viewing your video.

I genuinely respect your work, from personal impressions to going through relevant papers. This is great as it gets for me :)

Was able to use one at a friend house, and the limited viewing position was my biggest gripe. And it isn't just horizontal position due to the focal point, but vertical position too. With the curve, viewing from too high or low magnifies the distortion on the farthest end. Positioning my eyes anywhere but directly center felt uncomfortable, which was an issue for my friends setup which limited the monitors vertical adjustment.

Excellent analysis. I'm binge-watching your reviews.. so I need to subscribe. Done!

This is the best information for this topic I've found going down the rabbit hole of curved vs flat, this is everything you need to know and not just an opinion of someone saying curved is immersive a bunch. I wish I had found this days ago.

awesome review! pacing is improving and research is spot on. I loved the glaring example with the moving light!

@ReviewsForLifeYT

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kurt! I appreciate your feedback!

Finally a great comparative review. Thanks a lot! There's nothing better than this one.

This is next level analysis and I learned alot from it, really appreciated you made this video!

The best explanation on Cuved V. Flat monitors. You were analytical without being overly cynical and explained it all in simple terms. Keep it up as we could use more people like you in the community.

Great video. I love how indepth you go, while still keeping it easy to understand and to the point. Subscribed.

This felt like the Mythbusters but for curved monitors, good job! I wonder when we'll get a hybrid monitor that could switch between flat and curved by using something like flexible screens tech.

@Ystijger

2 жыл бұрын

honestly I could see that happening in like 10 - 20 years

@maxdagorno7269

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ystijger nah man I can see that happening in the next 2-3 years . You did see flexible phones right . Like just bend the monitor as you wish . It doesn’t have to last thousand of bends just a few hounded would be enough if you bend it everyday once for 3 years u are under 1000

@ssnjr1299

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ystijger Its possible with oled right now but its impractical

@fonolavalencia

Жыл бұрын

it just happened, check the corsairs. Pretty impressive

@aungsan7541

Жыл бұрын

@@Ystijger welp, corsair has announced their monitors that can change haha

Such an amazing content and comparisons, you helped me so much. Hope your channel grows a lot!

The final single minute footage nailed every thing practically ! Thanks a lot bro

Love how you go through research papers of good publications and compare the results.

That is pretty much my observation after buying a curved monitor. The distortion is more distracting than the immersion it can provide. I wouldn't buy another curved monitor unless, maybe, it is a ultra wide.

@mikelisteral7863

2 жыл бұрын

BACKLIGHT BLEED ???????????????????????

@iCore7Gaming

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah i just went with flat monitor before i even watched this video so lucky me haha

@boomerangfreak

2 жыл бұрын

As someone who has been using an ultrawide BenQ 35 l xr3501 for nearly 4 years I can really recommend an ultrawide curved monitor. Mine being an older model (released in 2015) only has a 2000R curve to it compared to the tighter curves on newer models. I bought this monitor for a pretty good price in 2017 and even though it might be showing it's age I am not in a rush to buy a new monitor. (especially considering recent scalping of GPUs and the likes)

@lolickypeepee23xdd6

2 жыл бұрын

for 16:9 go flat, if ultrawide, absolutely go curved, its definitely amazing to have

@pandakilla4757

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikelisteral7863 why u spam bot

glare test is a rare case of bringing something to my attention that i didnt think about myself)

So good! Thanks for taking the time to make this video! Super helpful!

Way more thorough than I expected. Great work!

Amazing detailed research! You're awesome!

I think the 1000r has worked well for the 32". I do not have enough space for two monitors on my desk. Therefore the 32" g7 has allowed me to get close to a two monitor experience up close (for productivity). Then an immersive gaming experience with the 1000r curve which I do not think is extreme for 32".

Thank you! That's very useful. Especially the counterintuitive part about the FPSs.

This video makes so many points that I hadn’t thought of AT ALL. Thanks.

Didnt do a scientific research before i bought a curved 27" MSI screen but have now used it for three years and still like it. 👍

@mikemiles2241

2 жыл бұрын

@Omnibud curved monitors are better

Wow, really detailed explanation, this was really what im looking for, great job

I think such high quality content is very rare on KZread. Thanks!!

Bro now that's a detail and fact rich review with math thrown in and academic papers. You've saved me from getting a 1000r monitor! Definitely subbing.

subbed for the review and making it easier for me to understand

Got the BenQ Ex3203R and i think the curved screen is just perfect. it isnt noticeable and during gaming it's more immersive. Still great video tho!!

@ryx10

2 жыл бұрын

Hey yeahmap!! didnt think i would see you here, i used to watch your forza videos and they were so fun!

Fascinating, I had never considered the things you're describing in your video, thanks!

I was on the fence. Best video and the last one I have to see before purchasing. Thanks.

I own a fairly cheap curved monitor, the msi optix mag241c. It's 24 inch with a 1500R curve. I absolutely love it! Works great in competitive fps games too.

@vertyisprobablydead

5 ай бұрын

>24 inch Yeah of course you like it because it's friggin tiny and you won't get an experience with it even if it was flat anyway

Wow this was a great vid! I truly appreciate it!

This was a fantastically thorough comparison.

This is excellent, many simple things that the sellers don't state. Thank you!

They best takeaway I can get in this video is to test the monitors first before you buy them. It feels pretty unlikely right now but if you have friends that have the monitor you want to buy, try out theirs first to get a feel for it.

@x-techgaming

Жыл бұрын

Except you have to BUY the monitors to test them. . . If you follow the video, or don't have a local shop.

Hands down the most underrated review on youtube

I Really appreciate your depth of analysis and presenting in an easy manner 👍😁

This is The review... Gets straight to the point...!

Very cool and interesting video, I hope you'll get more views you really deserve them... I'll continue to watch all your videos :)

best video on this topic. man, you just done it better than any one else. straight to the point, necessary things, and final conclusion..best bro best.

I always had my doubts. Thanks for this!

Bro, you just saved me a lot of head-ache (literally) and also some money. Thank you!

@mikemiles2241

2 жыл бұрын

It's a bit exaggerated. I've never experienced headaches using my curved monitor

I rarely give thumbs up. I love the amount of research you've done (rare these days). Cheers

@Thawhid

3 жыл бұрын

Why

@ClassicalPan

2 ай бұрын

@@ThawhidProbably doesn't want to add videos they won't watch again to their "liked videos" playlist. I only give thumbs up on videos I think I may want to watch again.

@Thawhid

2 ай бұрын

@ClassicalPan oh I'm the opposite. I like everything I watch, except ofcourse if I actually don't like it. I just save videos in separate playlists if needed

really good reportings, hope your channel grows fast!

Best video on this ive seen. Thanks you so much for making it Reviews For Life.

I have an astigmatism and every since I got a curved Samsung 27in monitor it has made a difference in how my eyes feel after a long session. Also just upgraded my 2nd screen(2006 flat screen) to a new MSI 27in curved. They look great together 2 curved 27in monitors 🤩

@hirohishiro441

7 ай бұрын

How is msi now in my country there are no good service should I buy or not

Great analysis. Goes into everything I was looking for.

@LZeugirdor

2 жыл бұрын

Ips has better viewing angles and color than VA panels do. The curved displays were VA and the flat one was ips.

@ClassicalPan

2 ай бұрын

@@LZeugirdorTrue, but viewing angles are going to be irrelevant to most people because we position ourselves at the optimal viewing angle anyway, and most of us don't have several people looking at the display.

I love the content. I wish there were more sources like this! Subscribed!

Great and honest review and research, subed, keep-it-up!

I myself got a curved monitor from my father a 24 inch and one thing I notice is that I get fatigue a lot faster if I play fast movemnt games but after all I enjoy it it's pretty good you seem like you have a better vision in every corner of the screen

I heard so many complaints like this before getting a curved display (but mine was ultrawide) and none of this ended up bothering me. Who sits on the side of the monitor for work?? Even gaming is fine, you don't really notice the stretching of the edges, cause you look at the middle part mostly.

@flutura2769

2 жыл бұрын

Same I have an ultrawide curved one too and the gaming experience especially for casual games is insanely good

@TheSoulCrisis

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it makes sense both flat and curved have their pros and cons, it just depends which one better fits your needs/preference and exactly what each one excels at. I have 2 MSI QHD 1440p 144 Hz gaming monitors myself and love them, although I would like to remove the gap between them somehow lol.

@TheSoulCrisis

2 жыл бұрын

@@fatihgul613 Do you mean like watching streams or movies from the bed/counch? I do that, I love the view myself but I think if you have a big curved TV for movies that would yield even better experiences.

Speachless! THANK YOU

Thanks for making this. I really wanted to know more about curved screens.

Amazing review thank you very much! Getting myself a flat one. Also my second monitor is also flat so it's better for me

Got a slight curved ultrawide 21:9 screen. It's perfectly fine for production. Where it shines is open world games and multiple windows at the same time. I'd advice not going for a very curved screens as my screen, which has just a slight curve is well enough and more would actually worsen the experience in my opinion.

@cristianitsirc6830

Жыл бұрын

what's the R rating on your monitor?

@ClassicalPan

2 ай бұрын

@@cristianitsirc6830I'd like to know, too.

great video. I'm unsure if I should buy a curved or a regular monitor and this helped me a lot

Wow this is an amazing video, thank you for putting it together. Learned so much and so easily.

Great video but there is one point and demonstration that I found a little confusing. When you were talking about the curve of the monitor not being uniform you showed this with a ruler, but when you showed the "flat" ends of the monitor you only put half the ruler on the display. I'm not sure if the point still stands, but I think a better way of showing this is taking a picture from above and putting the edge of a circle over it to see how far the curve strays from an actual circular shape.

@ReviewsForLifeYT

2 жыл бұрын

Good point! That information could've been better presented better by taking a picture like you said.

Thank You... I am about to buy a monitor next month and I am still money to buy a good monitor.. This video helped me understand that instead of 1000R buy a 1500R Display monitor.

@lefotografion

3 жыл бұрын

Wich one did you buy? I got the Mi Surface 34 (3440x1440, 144hz, 32', freesync) for around 444€ , best decision ever.

I could just type down everything he said and turn in a thesis. This is an excellent review

best video on this topic yet. love ur content RFL

At 1:08 you use a 15cm instead of 30cm flat edge and therefore have less gap.

@zhengzeng1515

3 жыл бұрын

I was reading through the comments to see if anyone points this out. The video used a shorter length of ruler to measure the edge than the center. That's why the screen is flatter towards the edge. Apart from this, it's a good review.

To get the same experience as 'us' he bought 3 monitors out of his own money.. that got me laughing but mainly crying tbh 🤣😭 good vid tho 🖖

This is such a good video, with great information. Thanks!

Great video. One note tho @ the 4min mark the LG is an IPS panel and the Samsung is a VA panel and probably a significant factor in was observed.

Try the LG 38gl950 3840x1600 ultrawide with a curve of 2300. Coming from a flat panel this is realy good, but expensive

Thank you so much, the gaming section of your video really made me reconsider buying a Samsung G5 since I play mostly FPS. I stick with a flat screen for now. 👍

What an informative, well-researched and pertinent video. Thank you

Thank you ! I really needed this review.

The 27" G7 was my first curved, and I mostly play Quake and CoD, and I sit pretty close, and there has been no issues with this. Doesn't feel weird and no motion sickness.

@Jack-zt1sr

2 жыл бұрын

Same here 27" G7 Curved, love it for 240hrtz Overwatch.

@Venomx-nb1jr

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it definitely depends on where you sit. But I googled curvatures and view distance before I got the 32 g7 and it’s meant for sitting in front of and immersion. I think this video is sort of an exercise in semantics. You don’t get an aggressive curved monitor unless you Intend on sitting in front of it in a way that captures your whole eye sight. I liked it so much I got a 32 G5 to put next to it.

@Jack-zt1sr

2 жыл бұрын

@@Venomx-nb1jr Hard agree, shame most people commenting don't seem to understand the short comings of the video.

@Alloniya

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jack-zt1sr I want to take one for overwatch too, but not sure

@Jack-zt1sr

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alloniya As long as you can reach high fps, like 200+ it's definitely worth it. OW isn't too graphically intensive, so should be doable for many newer cards, even if you have to turn down settings. I'm at near max settings, consistent 240fps with a 3070, just fyi.

I really enjoy my 27", 1500 curved, 165hz, 1 ms VA screen. I tried a flat 27" IPS but changed back to curved.

@tonywongb1652

2 жыл бұрын

supprise me . i just bought VA 1500 . thanks for ur comment

thanks for sharing with us the information you have accumulated, much appreciated.

Such refreshing and factful , just Wow!!

You really got to the point with well researched straightened up answers. Well done, you got a subscriber :) I'm sure you can get a lot more followers in time if you keep doing what you did in this video. Success is exponential.

I have a fault in my left eye which makes me partially blind on the left eye which messes with my depth perception(I can only see with about 60 percent of my eye) and when playing with a flatscreen for more than 1 and a half hour I would get this weird feeling of being further away from things than I really am which stopped happening after I switched to a curved one.

Man, that glare demonstration was fantastic.

That was informative and succinct. Thank you!

I never bought in to the curved hype, but after seeing a 34" HDR Ultra-wide on sale I started to get interested. This kinda makes me realize I should just stick with my gut and stay flat.

@ShinyVeggie

2 жыл бұрын

For me swapping to a curved ultrawide felt nice and immersive, and then years later swapping back to a flat monitor felt slightly jarring. Personally for screens larger than 27'' I prefer curved. Either way you get used to whatever you're currently using, and it's one of the specs I pay the least attention to. Curved is just a little bonus if the other specs are to my liking.

@GrizDrummer25

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShinyVeggie True, and if theres a very mild curve on a 21:9 I can totally see how it would be more helpful than leaning your head to get a good look at the corners, lol. For gaming I can see it being nice and immersive. Do you do any photo editing or graphic design?

@ShinyVeggie

2 жыл бұрын

@@GrizDrummer25 I've only done some very amateur work for profile pictures and my not so successful youtube channel. My insight is not very reliable, but I would say if the curve is not very steep, then your content creation won't suffer much at all unless you're an actual professional on the field and need that absolute distortion free experience.

@txchris3802

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 1800r 37inch ultra wide and I love it

Interesting topic. I stopped messing with my fov when I got a curved monitor because I felt I didn’t need to. Good to know though. I really just think it’s about preference. I sit very close to my monitor because my setup is dookie cheese so that’s probably why I prefer the curve.

I gave you a thumbs up for the clear effort and research you did for the video…and math. But I have to say, the information was coming at me so fast I couldn’t the really process it enough to be helpful.

Amazing review. Thanks!

I've been wanting to upgrade from my flat 27" to a curved 34" ultrawide for some time now for gaming, but with me working from home now as well I worry a curved ultrawide would be terrible for my CAD and 3D modelling work (with straight lines appearing curved). Would you agree? The older ultrawides (Dell, Asus or Acer) were quite large curves, and perhaps this would be okay for CAD work? Unfortunately it seems the trend of manufacturers now is muh more aggressive 1500R and 1000R curves which is a shame.

@Faelitu

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, seeing your comment is a bless from God. I too work with Auto CAD and Solidworks and i'm building my own PC so i could work at home and i was just thinking about what you said and the monitor i was hoping to buy which is the Odyssey G7. I am too concerned if the distortion would be that big of a deal breaker =/

I found this video through a post on the subreddit r/monitors and really enjoyed it! I wanted to clarify your claim of „curved“ monitors having worse viewing angles. It doesn’t have anything to do with the curve, but rather the panel of the Monitor. The flat screen has an ips panel and the curved a VA panel. Ips panels have the best viewing angles of every lcd display and therefore Va will always lose in a direct comparison. While you can’t say that the viewing angles suffer from a curve, most curved monitors use a va panel wich would make the statement somewhat alright again haha :D

@ReviewsForLifeYT

3 жыл бұрын

Hey glad you enjoyed my video! Didn't think I would attract Reddit's attention And good point! The panel technologies certainly influence the viewing angles. If I had a curved IPS panel, that'd make for a better comparison

@thesenate2718

2 жыл бұрын

I have a curved monitor and it has an IPS panel.

@arifaboh891

2 жыл бұрын

@@thesenate2718 could you share the model of your monitor?

@galaxy1234

2 жыл бұрын

many curved monitors have ips panel

@trapy3550

2 жыл бұрын

@@galaxy1234 What exactly is your point?

You're a true internet bro for this one, thanks.

AMAZING video! Thank you so much.

I have a curved ultrawide 34". Its a good monito but I dont think curve is any usefull. At the beginning I noticed it very clear but as you get used to it, it just seems flat. If you ask me if curved is better I cant really see any advantage.

Really well researched video. I have had my first ultrawide, curved monitor for exactly one year after a lifetime of flat monitors and have to say that I enjoy it a lot. It helps with the immersion in gaming, but for everyday use, it's not that beneficial. I have a multi-monitor setup with two flat panels on either side of my curved ultrawide. From my limited experience in the matter it seems like the curvature only helps with either larger 16:9 panels above 34", or ultrawide panels. From what I've seen it doesn't seem like a curved panel makes much of a difference on a 27" 16:9 or below since the screen is small enough that you can see all of it well enough without needing curvature to bring the edges closer to your eyes. That's just my opinion though, what do you think?

@ReviewsForLifeYT

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with your assessment. Curved is better for ultrawides and larger. I've also done a video on a ultra, ultrawide, and that's when the curve really makes a difference. Check it out! kzread.info/dash/bejne/qZOaztqHn7Xccso.html

@acidwizard6528

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReviewsForLifeYT Thanks. I will.

@arvi8843

2 жыл бұрын

@@acidwizard6528 Hello, so you mean a 34 ultrawide that is flat is still fine?

@acidwizard6528

2 жыл бұрын

@@arvi8843 I haven't seen one that is 34" ultrawide, and flat. My main monitor is exactly that but with the curve. I'm sure it would be fine either way, but it's my feeling based on no scientific studies whatsoever that smaller screens don't benefit as much from being curved.

@arvi8843

2 жыл бұрын

@@acidwizard6528 Thank you for your insight. 🙂

What a great in depth video! I’ve been considering getting a curved monitor and this helps inform my decision. Thanks!

@kuro758

2 жыл бұрын

did you or did you not buy it?

This is actually amazing! Thank you.

I actually have a curved and a flat monitor as a dual setup. The curved one (1500r MSI Optix) is for gaming and media, whereas the flat one (HP Elite Display) is for creativity (drawing / reading & typing / powerpoint) and photo editing. Although switching between the two takes a minute or two to adjust to (and probably longer for those not used to it), it is the perfect combination for me.