The Baby Boom was engineered: Step 1: Create jobs that 1 parent can work, that cover the expenses of the entire family, and only require a High School education. Step 2: Create cheap starter homes than even 22 yr olds on their first job can afford. That is it, those 2 steps created the Baby Boomers. Today, we are in University accumulating debt for 4 - 8 years. Then we are paying outrageous rent while trying to save up for a first home. Nobody builds unprofitable starter homes anymore, and the average home price is so high as to require an intergenerational mortgage to finance. No kidding nobody is having kids. By the time you can afford kids financially, you can't have kids biologically.

@kyliepechler

2 ай бұрын

So well said! You have summed it up perfectly.

@DR3ADER1

2 ай бұрын

Incorrect. The Baby Boom was a consequence of warfare concluding. Historically population growth increases after a long war, due to the returning number of fighting males to their settlements. You can NOT engineer growth, you can only engineer away from decline in the best of times.

@leonardoleo5740

2 ай бұрын

Can you prove the baby boom was this engineered? Otherwise, BS.

@chloelageaux769

2 ай бұрын

Very good response

@Darkn3ss17

2 ай бұрын

💯

Stressed animals don’t breed. Simple as that.

@dreddredd7137

Ай бұрын

That and some ''help'' from the western diet and the jabs . But i have to mention some factors in nature the will infect to reproduce , less magnetic field , more cosmic rays and thats not the only effect on the life on the planet .

@tw8464

Ай бұрын

Nailed it

@2trappy2

Ай бұрын

Also cultural issues in the west, I don’t believe this poverty leads to less children otherwise historically most of the world would have had low fertility rates but they didn’t, a large part of this is the fact that western cultures do not put emphasis on pride on one’s self and duty to bloodline whilst countries like Israel do.

@Jennybalacio

Ай бұрын

You're right. It's so stressful to live a life because of inflation.

@PoolGyall5441

Ай бұрын

⁠@@2trappy2Looking a bit more into Israel’s birth rate. It looks like it can mainly relate to the original comment. Israel has a few exceptional policies which make it easier to balance work/education and personal life. Also they fund fertility treatments which is huge for women who choose to have children later in life. So it seems making it so growing a family is a smoother experience really does contribute to stable fertility.

Declining birth rate means less slaves.

@ogadlogadl490

2 ай бұрын

That’s why I think the republicans taking away women’s right, less slave labor if a women has a choice

@anthonyroberts2678

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

@sroth2021

2 ай бұрын

It means the people who have children will inherit the earth. It means Islam will rule the world and feminism and everything the left cares about will be in vain because they didn't care to sustain the population and allowed their society to collapse.

@umairbutt1355

2 ай бұрын

It also means extinction 😂

@P2B_JC

2 ай бұрын

More migrants! Less abortion! More slaves! Less money!

How are we supposed to start families when both men and women need at least 2 jobs just to not be homeless?

@phoque121

15 күн бұрын

No problem. Bring in people from Sudan. They have nothing, but their average fertility rate is 4.5 children per woman. They will be homeless, but apparently they don't care 🤷‍♂

@RB01.10

7 күн бұрын

This. Add to the fact if someone has health issues (like myself) especially chronic ones how the hell can they then manage more stress / responsibilities than they already have ? For me, I have to constantly go to doctor appointments, get tests and procedures done every now and then and still have to balance my 40 hour work week. No way could I manage children / additional responsibilities. Maybe it’s just me though.

It's very exhausting to work full-time outside the home and work full-time inside the home. This is the reality for a lot of women.

@MixologistMilo

2 ай бұрын

And men luv

@mspaint93

2 ай бұрын

​@@MixologistMiloNot really. This is specially a widespread issue for women in countries with falling birth rates. In South Korea and Japan with the lowest birth rates, their brutal education and work sytems require women to work full-time as men do, but all work within the home is seen is seen as exclusively as a womens work. So both work equally hard, but childcare, cleaning, cooking, groceries, laundry, appointments are delegated to women, exclusively.

@kandacebasso3569

2 ай бұрын

Yep, women are forced to do more then what we can complete. We are burned out

@MrNote-lz7lh

2 ай бұрын

@@mspaint93 Well that'd explain the low birthrates in South Korea. But not in western countries where men do just as much housework.

@mspaint93

2 ай бұрын

@@MrNote-lz7lh But they don't do just as much housework, as a populous. You can look into the endless studies done on this where (again, on average) in a household with two full time working parents, the mother does the majority of childrearing and housework.

Maybe it's because people can barely afford to live and feed themselves never mind a child aswell

@lexruptor

2 ай бұрын

Thank you, finally some facts!! I suspect that gay people no longer being forced to hode in our closets and play straight probably has an impact as well. In the 50s it was common for gays to have to hide, and so they'd marry a woman and procreate, often with great disgust, whereas now we can be more or less free to live our liges and not ever have to touch a breeder.

@realpolitics527

2 ай бұрын

This is the most important reason

@denjua2234

2 ай бұрын

Totally agree, me 2 ​@@realpolitics527

@ma-moomoo

2 ай бұрын

This 100%. The system is against real people who might want to have kids.

@rafae5902

2 ай бұрын

Nah, it's not that. It's just not worth it anymore. The more advanced is the society, the less desire women have to have babies, because they could be doing something more interesting.

it bothers me like hell whenever i hear male business leaders (ie. elon musk, tucker carlson) preach about we should have more babies when it is very obvious that they DID NOT have to do any of the work actually raising the kids and they DID NOT give birth to the kids.

@jbak87

2 ай бұрын

They mean WHITE BABIES.

@jakelee7083

2 ай бұрын

I've never heard Tucker Carlson say something like that without prefacing it with the relevant issues at hand like housing, low wages, and government disincentives.

@ultraali453

2 ай бұрын

Do you expect middle-class moms to stand in front of the world and present these insights instead? It doesn't matter who says it. They are discussing demographic trends and their implications.

@eitkoml

2 ай бұрын

I have heard women talk about how other people need to have more kids. That includes a rich, child-free lesbian businesswoman who said that other women should have more kids so that she will have more workers and customers.

@patricktsai2303

2 ай бұрын

honestly idk about tucker, but i do know elon procreates like a rabbit

I dont understand why anyone sees a problem with lower birth rates. I see it from an environmental perspective... our overpopulation has already caused climate change and species extinction. Overpopulation is massively impacting wildlife and excelerating environmental decline. In the UK, we have a housing crisis which we can't build our way out of without decimitating our green spaces and overloading infrastructure and social facilities. A lower population is not just good, it's very essential.

@joet7136

2 ай бұрын

Rich people will have fewer indentured servants so they're panicking.

@unclebob8419

2 ай бұрын

The problem is in countries where there is a growing aging population, there aren't enough young people to support them, not just through taxes to pay their pension but also with all the services that old people need. It's becoming unbalanced in many countries. It affects the quality of your life if you live in a country with a declining population.

@KStew9010

2 ай бұрын

Mother nature is just correcting itself.

@georgekontogiannis4091

2 ай бұрын

The issue is that you will have one grandchild per four grandparents. Elderly people can't work after a certain point, nor support themselves. You'll start seeing old people dying in the streets. Governments will become insolvent trying to support them. This kind of change is only bad because it's happening suddenly. If it happened over a couple centuries it would be a better thing. But not for it to happen suddenly.

@zsqduke

2 ай бұрын

A Lower population may be good but a declining population is not. See the difference?

Let's not forget the other reason why birthrates are declining, especially in Japan, South Korea and China, and that is the demands that employers put on their workers. You can't work people to death and expect them to have the time and energy to meet, date, marry and procreate. Who would want to bring a child into that climate?

@WildWyatts

2 ай бұрын

Most of my Japanese friends only have one or two kids, but they want more, the only issue is that their husbands come home exhausted and don’t want to have sex at all. My girlfriends, when we get together, will talk about that often. Makes my heart hurt for them, because they rarely see their husbands at all, but when they come home it’s straight to bed, then straight to work.

@arrowghost

2 ай бұрын

Inflation is also the biggest factor, the reason some people not wanting to have more children is simple, MONEY! When you don't have enough money to sustain child care and your kid's college, parents are more likely to have 1 kid and that's it, 2 or more is already a challenge. Education, clothes and food to put in their mouth are the primary challenges to fulfill via money but gets reduced due to inflation.

@teflerchina.2987

2 ай бұрын

I am a foreigner working in China. Chinese law stipulates that the working hours are a max of 40 hours per week. Many people want to work more and many do. Employers can be fined for forcing workers to do more hours than their contracts state and all workers have to be paid double their hourly rate for any hours worked over the limit.

@junewerpree

2 ай бұрын

@@teflerchina.2987 only in the foreign cooperation

@cornealdata3843

2 ай бұрын

​@teflerchina.2987 You are right China is a champion of workers rights. They have the safest working conditions in the world. Chinese factories are the safest places to work.

Hmmmmm, want more babies? Make it financially viable

@realpolitics527

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely correct

@1jakedizzle

2 ай бұрын

Who’s going to pay for your pension

@kareemdurrant139

2 ай бұрын

​@@1jakedizzlewho's gonna pay for the children right this moment

@justinjameson89

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. I think this is the elephant in the room. How is it that with technological advancement we have become materially worse off than our parents before us.

@blanckieification

2 ай бұрын

They may make it as viable as they want, I'm not falling for it

And this planet will heal from so much abuse and pollution.

@tunisian_stats

5 күн бұрын

Not so fast. Sadly Natural selection means Africans will become the majority 100 years later since they have the most kids and the population would increase again. For context Africa makes up 18% of the world pop today but by 2100 it would make up 39% of it

@sacredgeometry4196

4 күн бұрын

@@tunisian_stats u sure u not talking about hispanics?

@tunisian_stats

4 күн бұрын

@@sacredgeometry4196 nope africans reproduce much more their population doubled in the last 20 years. It’s mainly because they are poor

@salterrae2525

3 күн бұрын

@@tunisian_stats There is famine and poverty in some countries in Africa. What is the lifespan of Africans? Will there be quality life in a world with climate change? They say there will be extreme drought in Africa because of climate change.

When someone asks me why I never wanted to have kids all I hear is "why didnt you choose slavery". Our world is not designed to afford having children.

@beautifulrose8619

Ай бұрын

lol. never heard that one

@darcy5761

Ай бұрын

Certainly not in todays world.

@jaredmackey4511

Ай бұрын

You mean certain economies are designed to afford anything. Even if you could feed your children, the economy will just pull more from your pockets. I can’t plant a garden with my children without someone saying “you didn’t pay us to inspect your property before digging”.

@sandponics

17 күн бұрын

It is OK, the elites are doing fine, and don't need workers any more, as we now have robots to look after us and do all of the work.

@evilds3261

7 күн бұрын

@@jaredmackey4511 Nobody will be paying them if they can't feed their families anyway. So, their job will become obsolete and counterproductive.

It means less starving kids

@crazitaco

2 ай бұрын

Exactly this. Birthrates were higher in the past because child mortality was high and parents had babies so they could put those children to work...

@wussrestbrook1200

Ай бұрын

@@crazitacomost kids are born in the third world not the first so technically more kids are suffering

@attitudeproblem6462

Ай бұрын

But they make more money off the starving ones…

@jaredmackey4511

Ай бұрын

@@wussrestbrook1200Third world doesn’t automatically mean they’re suffering. Just as first world doesn’t always mean prosperous people. It’s just another way of dividing humans.

@tw8464

Ай бұрын

Exactly

As a 38 year old British man with above average income, I don’t even feel like I could afford to raise a child with any degree of certainty. I haven’t even bought a house yet. Half of my friends are in the same position. If politicians really care about this issue, they’d fix the housing crisis, the cost of living crisis, the economy and create some prosperity for their own citizens.

@Cocoisagordonsetter

2 ай бұрын

Are you in a committed relationship with a stable person? That's more rare than housing these days. IMO. My sister and I were discussing my cousin's choice of a wife. "She must look good in a swimming suit." quote from another cousin about our cousin My sister who had a baby that took a life flight to a neonatal unit said: that's what people should see when choosing a spouse cause you might end up in a place like that.

@razorburn7745

2 ай бұрын

Same situation in the US. 37 yr old male, decent income, still can’t afford a home, let alone a family.

@TitusBiwot

2 ай бұрын

British man with above average income. Please travel the world. You will realise the problem you're having can be fixed somewhere else. I guarantee you that. Your income can make you a king somewhere in Africa, you just need to accept change.

@Marc-uw4lw

2 ай бұрын

@@TitusBiwot Way ahead of you 😏 I recommend this to people who feel trapped as well

@tharcisse7103

2 ай бұрын

You're in a better position to raise children than 99% of humans who have ever existed so I don't get what you're complaining about. My grandparents were raising children in a country where there was civil war. For me to say I feel uncertain about having children in 2024 Britain would be pathetic.

All of these over paid people scratching their heads about why the birth rates are down is pretty typical. It is a nightmare to live on this hellscape of a planet and try to care for children. Every country on this planet has turned being a parent in to one of the hardest jobs you can possibly have and you are still expected to work full time or more to survive. Costs for everything are through the roof. Only the people who really really badly want a family are having kids.

@eustaciogriego1912

Ай бұрын

Nature can be wonderful if we treated fair.And the people that have no control over their lives.

There are 8 billion humans on this planet. A decrease in population for a while is a natural response. So many people, fewer resources available per person. Plus things are getting more expensive. Why have more kids if you can’t afford to care for the kids you currently have?

@sandponics

17 күн бұрын

What is happening is natural selection, survival of the fittest, and the most intelligent. I win, you lose.

@imacat8476

14 күн бұрын

Unfortunate reality is the population is still going to go up and will go up to 10 billion in our life time. However that population is from low iq countries, high iq countries are no longer breeding, which makes the future pretty concerning.

Having a kid is like getting a job that you have to pay for instead of getting paid😂

@Lauren94twitch

2 ай бұрын

brilliant!

@jojoball11

2 ай бұрын

You're getting paid in many European countries and people still don't want kids.

@sharpasacueball

2 ай бұрын

​@@jojoball11Yeah all that welfare and standard of living to have the birth rate 1/8 of a slum in Bangladesh

@darrenpat182

2 ай бұрын

Like university education

@Herzshot

2 ай бұрын

@@jojoball11 you cant buy another generaration of slaves from us.

Politicians acting like it's rocket science behind falling birth rate while they make bank profitting off the younger generations.

@FlyingImmortal

Ай бұрын

Politicians or the investor class?

@user-zy8cy6hn6o

Ай бұрын

​@@FlyingImmortalis there a difference?

@worldtocomepodcasts444

Ай бұрын

Democracy is to blame. It leads to the female vote. Which leads to reproductive rights. Which puts the birth rates below replacement level. This leads to mass migration and population replacement

@brojakmate9872

Ай бұрын

How to spot a zoomer

@tw8464

Ай бұрын

Nailed it

We will adapt. The planet does not need so many people.

@eustaciogriego1912

Ай бұрын

Nature can be wonderful if we treated fair. No one is talking about what the plant can a afford

@mattmccallum2007

7 күн бұрын

We don’t need so many Africans and Arabs. We need more Europeans

@burmesepython393

5 күн бұрын

@@mattmccallum2007You already caused 2 world wars and are about to start a third with your silly NATO expansion and provoking Russia and China. Let’s see how other races fare without your warmongering.

Some of us just don't like kids, never wanted them and can live life without them.

@hilarygibson3150

23 күн бұрын

Absolutely. Im nearly 60, never for a nanosecond have I wanted a child. Had I been born 100 years earlier I would have had children - poor contraception and societal expectations

@sandponics

17 күн бұрын

Well at least your genes will be gone, which means more life for those of us that will be left, and we will have robots to do the work, so we elites don't need you or yours.

@MookMineola

14 күн бұрын

It would be interesting to ask the parents but I don’t think you’d get an honest answer

@johnpark7972

2 күн бұрын

I laugh whenever kids under 20 lecture me about how I will regret it and feel lonely

the sheep no longer want to reproduce, now the wolfs are angry LOL

@PM2022

Ай бұрын

Yep!

@snatchadams69

Ай бұрын

The sheep are becoming rams..

@ameygade1977

Ай бұрын

True

@nixonesport1998

Ай бұрын

The wolves will import in goats to replace you

@ameygade1977

Ай бұрын

@@nixonesport1998 someone that's not born can't be replaced

I don't see a problem with fewer humans.

@michaelellringer5600

2 ай бұрын

Until you call a plumber or someone to fix your roof, with limited competition.

@derangedcrouton1864

2 ай бұрын

​@@michaelellringer5600well that's an easy one to answer, less plumbers and less humans means your issues can be focused on with less competition for appointments

@lulajohns1883

2 ай бұрын

​@@michaelellringer5600better environment

@ankitnmnaik229

2 ай бұрын

Well one another corona...and humanity is clean... Well if you don't like humanity to continue living then it is okay.

@NauerBauer

2 ай бұрын

​@@michaelellringer5600unless you are a plumber.

Coming from the UK, where a single bedroom apartment in my area costs £350,000, which requires at least a £65,000 salary, there's no way it's feasible to have children and live a decent life. It's hard enough without children.

@Jonnyicey

Ай бұрын

I moved to the north east of England, 350k can get a 5/6 bed detached. I know its not possible for everyone but its an option.

@Rb39-ej5hh

Ай бұрын

@@Jonnyicey Fair enough, but the issue is that there aren't many job opportunities in the North-East of England, because our country is insanely unequal. I suppose if you land yourself a decent and secure remote job, it might be a good idea. Even then you're still leaving behind your social network from home.

But the earth can't handle an ever increasing world population.

@eustaciogriego1912

Ай бұрын

Nature can be wonderful if we treated fair. And Our resources are running low.

@aviyahcrow6617

2 күн бұрын

yes, the "expert scientists" stated this that certain civilizations (ethnicities) would die out...

No one wants to admit the real reason, we are no longer going to tolerate a difficult life. No one wants to STRUGGLE like everyone else in the past did

@homewall744

2 ай бұрын

Once you have money, you don't want to ever be poor again.

@user-el3nu7qp1t

2 ай бұрын

Reminds me of those Escape to the Country episodes where everyone complains about the traffic as their reason for the move when what they really wanted to state was too many immigrants.

@user-si3qc4pp5d

2 ай бұрын

If you raise children the same way as before, you will be criticized nowadays. Too much responsibility and burden now.

@sitrepSNAFU

2 ай бұрын

It's called feminism,.

@jeansherwood2428

2 ай бұрын

@@sitrepSNAFU Many feminists have kids.

I can not bring a kid into this awful world.

@cinnamonstar808

2 ай бұрын

please dont. not with that user name.

@pepper2240

Ай бұрын

​@@cinnamonstar808let's not pretend your username is good either 😏

@cinnamonstar808

Ай бұрын

@@pepper2240 I was raised right

@simmods3361

Ай бұрын

Same

@billyscenic5610

28 күн бұрын

@@cinnamonstar808 You sound very astute. Do you think the guy named NarutoNinjaMaster4534 is really a shadow warrior?

To many people have bad intentions for children...sick intensions....safer to spare them of a horrible life.

I had a Vasectomy with no kids at age 27. 16 years later at age 43, I am so glad I did it! The World is stressful enough alone!

@sandponics

17 күн бұрын

The world only appears to be stressful because you are an idiot.

@Tailsthef0x

14 күн бұрын

Very well done sir! I'm planning of getting vasectomy too. Was it painful?

@boogitybear2283

11 күн бұрын

@@Tailsthef0xPAINLESS!! A finger prick is more painful than a Vasectomy!!

Why would you want to bring a child into this world when there is so much madness and badness going on?

@PeggyPearlB

2 ай бұрын

The world has never been a perfect place though. Most of history has been a story of struggle in one way or another, yet our ancestors had some of the highest birth rates.

@aditisk99

2 ай бұрын

​@PeggyPearlB The reason you mentioned is why they had many kids, so atleast some of them can survive.

@melman7738

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

@invidusspectator3920

2 ай бұрын

People used to not to think Do they want kids, they just had them, cause it was socially expected.

@michaelellringer5600

2 ай бұрын

Scientists have already declared Planet Earth to be dead!

We can’t bloody afford to have kids. Have you seen the cost of living vs wages?

Greedy corporations, greedy governments, greedy politicians. Thats what it means.

Greatest news of the century.

No one who is Intelligent or kind would have a child in this economy

@prasannav

27 күн бұрын

Well said. My sentiments exactly

@alicesck01

26 күн бұрын

True

@backintimealwyn5736

19 күн бұрын

that comment was neither intelligent, nore kind.

@ryansuryoatmojo1770

19 күн бұрын

people who think like this do not realize how a demographic decline will affect standards of living across the board

@daviancyandreina

19 күн бұрын

@@ryansuryoatmojo1770 Why should I care about that when I can't afford for myself a life, even less for a child???... Why should people who don't have a stable economy have a kid?? It is going to be worse for the kid

Why tf would I want to bring a child into this cruel, expensive and stressful country.

@flochforster7864

2 ай бұрын

If u don't want to reproduce stop reproducing your ideology and stfu. Some of us want to fix the world not sit around and watch it burn.

@Ravenboppityzoppity

2 ай бұрын

There's no need for excuses because if you don't want to have kids you shouldn't have to. A stranger online basically telling you as a woman it's your place to struggle just to have kids who will struggle with you doesn't care about you or children.

@Sesj02

2 ай бұрын

​@JG-MV The US doesn't offer paternity/maternity leave, nor does it have a good healthcare system that won't leave you straddled with debt once the baby is born. Retirement probably won't be a thing once OP is older and shootings and mental Healthcare isn't taken much more seriously than it needs to along with climate change and AI. Why would anyone have a kid with those conditions?

@Catkidnapper89

2 ай бұрын

@@JG-MVshit is expensive there are excuses. And people can’t do anything about birth rate because u can’t force anyone to have kids

@White-nl8td

2 ай бұрын

Excuses. If you be a good parent to your child that's enough. They will thrive well.

For politicians and the ones "on top" less people means less slaves, that is why they are "concerned" because less slaves means higher costs for them...ALSO, having kids creates "necessity" and many people put up with abuse because of "necessity", no "necessity" means less putting up with abuse and that scares the poop out of the masters...

instead of bitching about the low birth rates imagine if world leaders put that effort into finding ways of making things work with an inevitability smaller population.

@revilokid

29 күн бұрын

🤖🦾🦾

I'd rather go through whatever bs this world is going through than worry about my hypothetical child going through it.

@bobmcbobbington9220

Ай бұрын

Oh I know. You are having a real hard time now, on youtube. It's tough man. That facebook isn't going to scroll itself, ya know.

@evilds3261

7 күн бұрын

@@bobmcbobbington9220 It's called a lack of job security. People watch KZread to pass the time and avoid spending money.

Remember when we got computers and more automation and we thought we would work less? Instead we work more than ever. There's never a sustainable equilibrium of contentment. It's a never ending push for more profit, more "productivity", more work. But even with so much work, cost of living is sky high and only getting higher, and purchasing power has plummeted. On every turn, we get taxed or charged for something. People have no time and no money to have children.

@tanler7953

2 ай бұрын

Not necessarily a push for more profit, but there's way more competition than there used to be.

For thousands of years, we didn't count humanity in billions, and our planet was better and healthier that way. We will survive in smaller numbers. Also, fewer people means less competition. The problem is our economic system - it can only endure with growth. So, we should change this greedy capitalism that doesn't care about humanity but only profit. It obviously isn't working and depression and unhappiness are hitting record levels. Plus, nothing can grow forever.

Why isn't this reported as a win for reversing climate change?

Our obsession with economic growth has destroyed our planet. Less people means less resources used and more balance. I also think we'd all be happier in a less busy world and with less of a fight for resources.

@j.harrison6744

2 ай бұрын

Spot on. Permanent growth is the modus operandi of the cancer cell.

@NationalYouth677

2 ай бұрын

Wars caused by the west ruined our planet and lives. Say the truth.

@Actor_bad24IK

2 ай бұрын

Resources are fininte

@faithingod5533

2 ай бұрын

Moronic argument.

@inbb510

2 ай бұрын

Aging population + low fertility rates + welfare State = disaster. In order for a welfare State to function you need children. Unless you want to abolish the welfare State or make 80 years work then this is just privileged thinking on your part.

It is a bad deal for women to endure pregnancy, labor and delivery, post-partum pain, and the incredible hardships of raising a child. In many cultures at any time you may go through a divorce and being totally compromised the rest of your life.

@GilmerJohn

2 ай бұрын

Well, if the burden is more than you can bear, you can always surrender the child. If the child is under two, there would be little or no problem "placing" the child.

@14margott

2 ай бұрын

@@GilmerJohnthere are not enough people who are willing and capable to take on other's people failures to bear on forever.

@GilmerJohn

2 ай бұрын

@@14margott -- Well, the system may well collapse some time or another. But if you as a business or a person are sitting on a pile of money you either but "stuff" (toys, gold, land) or loan it out. Timing is everything.

@MM-we4no

2 ай бұрын

@@GilmerJohnlol why have the child in the first place? 😂 your solution is so stup¡d Avoid pregnancy, avoid ruining your body and suffering post partum depression or psychosis 🙌🏻

@nothereyetlost

2 ай бұрын

@@MM-we4nolol. He suggested that bc chidren with no mothers are easy pickings for men. Notice I don’t say predators. I said MEN. Bc men, their biology is PREDATOR. That means the ALL are. Easy pickings. They get you to abandon your child and now easily traumatized and singled out for their sexual deviancy.

Means less starving people. Less struggling.

I say let it fall and fall.... maybe then real changes can happen!

Cant speak for the UK but in the US we cannot afford housing, groceries are overpriced, there are microplastics in the water and our bodies and the world is getting warmer due to climate change while politicians have climate change conventions in oil producing countries. At what point would we be expected to have and raise children only for them to have no opportunities when they arrive?

@EnterTheSoundscape

2 ай бұрын

The UK has all those things but worse. More expensive housing, groceries and energy. Significantly lower paying jobs too. At least we have free healthcare, but that’s also overwhelmed.

@ilikelampshades6

2 ай бұрын

same in the uk. In america your poverty is much worse but your middle class is very rich compared to the UKs middle class. We earn terrible wages and have extortionate taxes. Drs, nurses, teachers, military officers, policemen all live their entire lives in poverty in the uk

@darcy5761

Ай бұрын

You can have lots of children on $2.00s a day! Yeah ,but there's that pesky feeding and clothing them and of course they're going to want shelter! Get real even livi g a modest life children are too expensive.

Children are relatively too expensive in the economic environment.

@05350

2 ай бұрын

Not for the Muslims. Look at the Palestinians. They can be fed by the tax dollars from the western countries.

@bloodlove93

2 ай бұрын

plus bringing a child into this society? questionable itself

@neotoad456

2 ай бұрын

@@bloodlove93 because EVERYTHING has to be political, everything.

@sitrepSNAFU

2 ай бұрын

Pre feminism they were affordable

@catcoffee7958

2 ай бұрын

​@@sitrepSNAFUtrue only to live in poverty and domastic violence

Less pollution is a good thing.

Government: We are going to make everything expensive Also government: Strange, why is no one having kids?

@aavvcc

2 күн бұрын

More like, Government: things are expensive but people won’t complain or notice

Humanity will survive. You can't just expect sensible people to have more and more children if they can't accommodate themselves, feed, educate, etc their kids.

@umairbutt1355

2 ай бұрын

Humanity will survive yes, but our country/culture/civilization may not. Other civilizations that have a more balanced approach to life will simply take over.

@White-nl8td

2 ай бұрын

Of course people can raise 2 kids on 1 income. People are wasting money on luxuries and talking about affordability. Did your parents/ grandparents purchased phones every year, did they go on expensive vacations every year, did they eat out almost everyday ? In contrast, compare how you are living.

@Epiphany_nz

2 ай бұрын

@@White-nl8td I don't buy new phones every year. Eating out as a single person in some countries is actually also cheaper than cooking at home.

@White-nl8td

2 ай бұрын

@@Epiphany_nz no, eating out cannot be cheaper than cooking at home ever. The restaurant have to purchase groceries, pay the cook workers, pay taxes and on top of that make atleast 25% profit. In contrast, cooking at home only requires you to purchase groceries and spend the time to cook. Your problem is you are not at home to cook whilst running around for your career.

@Epiphany_nz

2 ай бұрын

@@White-nl8td# Lots of people need to run around to make a living. If you are eating in expensive restaurants, yes your point apply. But what I'm talking about is if you've been in places like the biggest industrial countries like China and India and look how the locals eat and their Takeaways/street food, you'll see that it does not cost as much for them if you compare the costs of food per person to the west.

People is fed up to a bullcrap drama of life.

Consider what a living crisis we have around the world, not having kids may sadly be the safest option in terms of living an adultlife.

No birth, No suffering.

@CroElectroStile

2 ай бұрын

No birth, no creating artistic masterpieces that resonate uniquely with humanity, no feeling the thrill of exceptional experiences that set us apart, no heartwarming love stories weaving the tapestry of human connection, no exploring the extraordinary aspects of life, secrets of life, no space exploration, no witnessing the captivating beauty of a sunset, no sharing heartfelt laughter that defines our shared human experience, no savoring the simple joy of blooming flowers, no relishing in the exceptional taste of crafted cuisine, no connecting through the electric touch of human affection, no discovering and pursuing passions that make each individual exceptional, no triumphing over fears and feeling the adrenaline rush, no living the vibrant and exceptional canvas of human life!

@user-ft5kh5um1r

2 ай бұрын

​@@CroElectroStilenoone cares

@CroElectroStile

2 ай бұрын

@@user-ft5kh5um1r No people that are not clinically depressed and are not internet addicts with no life do care, because they enjoy life.

@user-ft5kh5um1r

2 ай бұрын

@@CroElectroStile so you are depressed cause you have no life spending time on the internet lol

@user-ft5kh5um1r

2 ай бұрын

​@@CroElectroStileso you are depressed cause you have no life spending time on the internet lol

I wouldn't want to expose a child to this miserable and depressing world Given the choice, I never would have come here either

@TheAArmstrong

2 ай бұрын

Why are you still here then??

@SamuelBlack84

2 ай бұрын

@@TheAArmstrong To be a thorn in the side of humanity 😁

@TheAArmstrong

2 ай бұрын

@@SamuelBlack84 nice 😎

@GavinGas

2 ай бұрын

Lol. I like being the fifth column too

@ani-sv5fh

2 ай бұрын

GOD has chose you to raise your status after this if you do good

Make us poorer. Make housing more expensive. Make wages lower. Make childcare more expensive. That should help.

Corporations running out of wage slaves lol

I would not bring children in todays world it’s a tragedy

@isay207

Ай бұрын

No one asked to be born😢

@nah131

Ай бұрын

I can see Anti Natalism is popular here

@KingDanny9

Ай бұрын

Anti-natalism all the way

@eugenenarvi6668

7 күн бұрын

It’s a tragedy and a comedy simultaneously.

I work full time+overtime. Money is already tight for myself only. I have no desire to be even more broke than what I am now.

@realpolitics527

2 ай бұрын

Spot on

@vinucini4341

2 ай бұрын

Who will inherit your money 💰when you die. So it's nice to have a child and pass on your legacy and inheritance ❤

@20shourya

2 ай бұрын

@@vinucini4341one could always will it to charity or a school

@kareemdurrant139

2 ай бұрын

​@@vinucini4341he just said he doesn't have any money you boomer

@neotoad456

2 ай бұрын

@@vinucini4341 these old people, man... mate, stop being a knucklehead.

Robots and self driving cars etc. will replace the need for children .

Why would you have a child at all, if you have to give him to strangers to raise during the week, and spend your weekends doing housework?

Declining birth rate means less overpopulation. Right?

@bloodlove93

2 ай бұрын

we can hope...which should mean less demands on industry for supplying consumers ergo better environment. i mean holy crap, just look at any 5 "super foods" to see the awful conditions those workers are under and how little they get paid....acai berries would be better off unknown to most the world, with less people, less of these people would have to work such awful jobs.

@tabby73

2 ай бұрын

Yes but it takes many decades to get there. By that time, us 8 or 9 or 10 billion might have already completely destroyed the environment.

@user-bi8ko7kc6h

2 ай бұрын

It will take a very long time unless we cut all the medical supports to elderly.

@jeansherwood2428

2 ай бұрын

Right. It's good news, although it won't impact us right away. The less people, the more resources, jobs, and opportunities.

@MendeMaria-ej8bf

2 ай бұрын

@@jeansherwood2428 Thank you for your consent. ❤

less people = less pollution

@jeansherwood2428

2 ай бұрын

More for everyone else, too.

@FredHousehold

2 ай бұрын

But less too ! Without kids, no economic development + growth long-term? So less money + workers to pay for the service's . All couples should have 3-4 kids . Not about charts + computers. Without workers, no growth + service's. Leads to less for everyone.

@FredHousehold

2 ай бұрын

Humanity lives in a golden age? Because of technology + medical healthcare, manufacturing we can build sea cities + alot resources in the solar system. Idea of that people should have less in a time when we need to build more is pointless. By the year 2040s, problems will be seen in every countrie on earth. Kids make economic growth + development happen, not old people.

@vmvd

2 ай бұрын

@@FredHousehold to build more...what? Why? For whom?

@utterutternutter

2 ай бұрын

= less money for healthcare

We let corporations, and multi-millionaires profit from making it really expensive for us to raise children, and (SURPRISE!!!) we stopped having children. This is only an issue if your economy is a consumer based economy.

It is simple, greed is going to destroy humanity. Companies have stopped being loyal to their workers and customers. Their only goal is to make obscene profits while paying as little as possible and providing as little value as possible. Keeping wages and benefits low. Buying up property and making housing unaffordable. Charging more for goods, while providing less to their customers. Basically, people at the top put profits above humanity.

@leanordials8008

Ай бұрын

And there you have it.

@evilds3261

7 күн бұрын

And that's why, eventually, workers and customers will do the same - not having kids increases profits.

@herbayum76

7 күн бұрын

I really think this is the core of the problem...we are in an end game where ever more profits go to ever less persons like in a play of Monopoly we used to play...

In the UK you can't realistically expect People to afford to have children let alone many children with the stupid costs of living. By the time newborns are old enough, buying an average house is probably gonna cost half a million

@dvdsbl

2 ай бұрын

The funny thing is that if you work you can't afford children. When instead if you don't work you can have as many as you want.

@jason4275

2 ай бұрын

$800,000 for a middle class house in Los Aneles.

@OneiLean

2 ай бұрын

@@dvdsblthose that don’t work and have kids, just don’t care about them and/or know they will get bumped up the councils housing list the more kids they have

@dbz9393

2 ай бұрын

@@dvdsbl I suppose so, but you'd live a hard life

@GilmerJohn

2 ай бұрын

Well, if there is a shortage of new families, the price of housing should decrease as there will be fewer buyers. If it's important, government(s) can set up trailer parks so that young families can build equity and still have location flexibility. If there are any charges associated with healthcare, they should be dropped for pregnant woman and children; likewise, children should not pay to ride public transport.

World population has gone from one billion to 8 billion in 220 years - that’s insane!!!

@5starlifestyle555

2 ай бұрын

You can thank China and India for that

@BigWinonslot

2 ай бұрын

@@5starlifestyle555yes because we dint had civil wars or any kind of major diseases

@ma-moomoo

2 ай бұрын

@@5starlifestyle555add up the populations of India and China, and subtract that from 8 billion. It isn't just those countries

@davecooper3238

2 ай бұрын

@@5starlifestyle555 China has a one child per family for decades. If they hadn’t the world’s population would be even larger.

@butteschool

2 ай бұрын

Peoples got to wise up and stop being such more-ons

Looks like we will have to finally move on from capitalism.

Don't care, I'll never have kids. Then I'll be dead!😂

They wouldn’t be declining if people could have their own house and live on one income like their parents could. We can’t start a family in rented apartment as it’s already hard to pay

@john_doe_not_found

2 ай бұрын

By the time you can afford kids financially, you can't have kids biologically.

@kyliepechler

2 ай бұрын

Precisely.

@ubaldobezoari8652

2 ай бұрын

The births are declining in well off countries with strong economies. The poor countries where living conditions, healthcare etc are nowhere near the levels of the developed countries have no birth rate problems. That would indicate that the developed countries are too self centred to consider anything that would change their comforts like having a baby.

@john_doe_not_found

2 ай бұрын

@@ubaldobezoari8652 I want to agree with you ubaldo, but there is a bit more. It also implies you need more to live in a developed country. Housing in some developed countries consumes 50% of income. Then people need transport to get to work. And most developed countries do not have the grandparents living at home providing free child care. Developed countries have modernized themselves out of having kids. So undeveloped countries will export their people to developed countries to make up the shortfall. This will be interesting to watch. I hope the world stays peaceful.

@ubaldobezoari8652

2 ай бұрын

@@john_doe_not_found Perhaps. But in poor countries, having another mouth to feed is a giant impact. In the developed countries, having a baby means cancelling the Peloton subscription, some nail appointments, some facial treatments, keeping your car for a couple more years, and not going to Marbella, but Málaga for a couple of weeks.

The planet is overpopulated anyway

@isay207

Ай бұрын

Especially africa india

@seanscope5455

25 күн бұрын

🧢🧢🧢🧢

If you’re not discussing work life balance, higher salaries or paid leave for new parents. You’re wasting your time talking about low birth rates.

@MrNote-lz7lh

Күн бұрын

None of the things you listed raise birth rates.

Generally, it's the cost of living being so high that prevents people from having kids. My parents stopped after my sister because the cost of living in Canada is so high and that was 30+ years ago. With how bad it is now, and barely any support from the government - no one can afford to have kids. The cost of equipment (strollers, car seats, etc) and daycare (the lowest cost for daycare in my province is $1000 a month per kid) is so astronomically high that this is no surprise. Plus both parents are forced to work to make ends meet.

I dont want kids and I am not selfish. No thanks and most people I know feel the same way.

@sirclassicalhou3650

Ай бұрын

I’m the same way!! I never, ever want children and I hope I eventually find a wife who feels the same way. And whoever thinks it’s selfish to not have kids clearly doesn’t get that it’s not their business to tell us to be parents when we simply don’t want to!

@hilarygibson3150

23 күн бұрын

​@sirclassicalhou3650 there's quite a few women who don't want children. Nearly 60 and never wanted a child. Never regretted the choice

It's a sick society(worldwide). Why would any thinking person want to condemn any more children to this world.

@samuelknight957

2 ай бұрын

That's one way to put it I suppose

@BatMajor

2 ай бұрын

Exactly!! There is already enough orphans or children with crappy parents who neglect them or abuse them. Why bring more suffering into this wreched insane planet.

@DavidZ4-gg3dm

2 ай бұрын

Yet the birthrates are the highest the worst places to live, such as Chad & Somalia.

@GilmerJohn

2 ай бұрын

If that's you attitude then it's a good thing you don't want to ave kids.

@blanckieification

2 ай бұрын

I said any thinking person @@GilmerJohn 🤣🤣🤣

The low birth fertility rate for women in Korea means very little- the data should be segregated to those who choose not to give birth and those who can’t. The former is a victory for women’s rights, and a subject for further anthropological studies. Only the latter should be addressed as a gap in the policies. The ‘low fertility rate’ discourse assumes that all women should or wants to give birth, which is not true.

@jayc342009

22 күн бұрын

Most women do want kids, they just don't for various reasons, affordability, not meeting the right man etc

@lifeonthemargins

22 күн бұрын

​@@jayc342009 I beg to differ. Except for a few exceptional Scandinavian countries with more education and equal opportunities, women tend to have fewer kids. My conclusion is that women don't care as much about kids as society wants them to.

The planet can't handle the number of humans it currently has. Adding more is not only selfish, but you are consigning these children to a Mad Max future.

Always at our wombs. And needing young folk for the war machine. Take care of who's already here.

@lulajohns1883

2 ай бұрын

Children matter...until they are born

Who really wants to bring children into today's world?

@CoupleDrinks

2 ай бұрын

me

@cryaboutit7499

2 ай бұрын

Not me

@mifolyikittgyongyoson8052

2 ай бұрын

Africans.

@Dylanesque

2 ай бұрын

@@mifolyikittgyongyoson8052 And we know and understand the reasoning behind that need, don't we.

@pastelpepe

2 ай бұрын

@@Dylanesquewhat is the reason?

It means that this world gets to finally breathe again.

Especially now with the scary anti-choice, anti-healthcare laws in my area of the US, my husband is afraid of losing me if there were any complications.

Personally, I wouldn’t be put off a child due to me worrying about feeding myself. The world is far too sad, dangerous. With everything happening now. I couldn’t bring life into this broken world. 😢

@multienergico9299

2 ай бұрын

Don't focus on the bad, there's never been a better time in history to have kids! Child mortality is record low and life expectancy is record high! There's also lots to love about the world!

@Ravenboppityzoppity

2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately love doesn't pay the bills, and as much as you love your kids they can still end up homeless or starving

Does it really take a rocket scientist to figure out that lack of housing, lack of jobs, stagnant wages, skyrocketing inflation, sub-par education, pricey daycare, galloping energy costs, soaring food costs, crumbling medical care, no dental care, the disintegration of the family unit, high taxes, and lack of real prospects, never mind the political instability created by the self-entitled 2x4s in power and the wars they create, might not have something to do with declining birth rates in advanced countries--UK included? Just a thought...

It means nothing the only people it matters is the companies that want profits and you can't have profit with declining population.

The corporations are panicking

It's cruel to have kids in this economy

@sandradixon6205

2 ай бұрын

I’ve spoken to people who feel the same way as you. It’s so sad that people who would love to have children don’t have them because they can’t afford to provide for them. Even if the economy was better, things like climate change, natural disasters and man-made disasters make the future look very uncertain and influence people’s decision not to have children. The good news is that our Creator is about to drastically change the situation on earth. He has a government in heaven, God’s Kingdom, which Jesus preached about when he was on earth. (Luke 4:43) The Kingdom is going to completely remove not only all human governments but also all the selfish, greedy people who make others suffer. (Daniel 2:44; Proverbs 2:21, 22) The Kingdom will lovingly care for all its subjects. (Isaiah 65:21, 22) They will experience true peace and security for the first time. (Micah 4:4) Every day will be filled with joy and laughter. (Revelation 21:4) These wonderful changes are imminent!

@Jen-lg4hp

2 ай бұрын

Or when you see what a dump the world has become with our freedoms and civil rights disappearing fast. Who would want to be born into such a dystopia?

@AdityaSingh-fu5dl

2 ай бұрын

Meanwhile Muslims laughing

@AdityaSingh-fu5dl

2 ай бұрын

The fiat economy of the west is not working anymore greedy USA with it's dominant currency eating all other currency like pound and euro 😂 Don't ask about the Japanese they are doomed Their GDP fall from 5 trillion $ to 4.2 trillion $ in 1 year due to currency fluctuations and their is no recovery

@GavinGas

2 ай бұрын

It's not. The economy isn't too bad

Who cares. The Earth will be happy when people stop trampling on it.

The Earth breathes a sigh of relief.

Reasons for low birthrate: Long working hours, high house prices, lack of childcare and education, Social media

This is actually good news. The planet needs less of us,why are politicians Calling it a crisis??

@babyvanderwoodsen

Ай бұрын

because it means less money for their 30 yachts and 80 houses 😢😢😢

@Jonnyicey

Ай бұрын

because there will be so many old people requiring care with fewer working age people.. taxes will be even higher and retirement age longer for future generations.

@mugumyapaultheafricannomad9488

Ай бұрын

@@Jonnyicey I get the Economic argument. But I'm wondering if our Economic system is based on population growth that's never supposed to end, I wonder when do we have to accept the consequences. Because, it looks like everything should be fine only if the graph is going up and up and up.

@Jonnyicey

Ай бұрын

@@mugumyapaultheafricannomad9488 Ideally we would have a balance of 2.1 children per woman to keep it level but when in the past it was 4 now its 1.4 its like a timebomb. I hope AI and robotics will solve some of the issues but we could do with a new system especially if there's lots of people losing their jobs to AI like they predict.

@ay2deet578

Ай бұрын

​@@Jonnyiceyrobots are a long way off taking elderly people to the toilet and wiping their bum

Why would people want to bring up a child who's gona suffer life like the rest of us. Most people work to survive the cost of living. My brothers struggles to pay rent n bills on his wages he's been in the same job since leaving school and now he's 43, nearly £900 rent to pay plus bills he's struggled, n now put more then he can afford on credit cards. Me and my parents are working and giving him extra money each month so he can get food and petrol which then leaves us short of money n struggling. The worst thing is millions of people are also struggling, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

@jason4275

2 ай бұрын

rent in my city is $1900 a month for one bedroom.

@RafaquaQuetta

2 ай бұрын

​@@jason4275 most wages are higher in the US..., and most states are still more affordable than our hyper-dense built up NW Europe

@jeansherwood2428

2 ай бұрын

@@RafaquaQuetta No, there is no affordable housing in America anymore because, partially, due to venture capitalists owning most housing and charging ridiculous rents. The homeless population has risen. Overdose deaths are high in part because getting high is the only way to be comfortable o the street, living in your car, or sleeping on the floor.

@SamuelBlack84

2 ай бұрын

Most people seem to just have kids because it's seen as what you're supposed to do Doesn't anyone think for themselves anymore?

You don't need to have as many kids if the child mortality rate is low where you live. High birth rates isn't necessarily an indicator of good things.

I never quite understood why people in the past used to have children. What was the incentive for all that toil?

This reminds me of a movie called idiocracy where intelligent anxious people avoid having children and dumb people have dozens of them...

@johns4651

2 ай бұрын

well, that is what is happening. Highly educated developed nations have low birth rate, where that so called "sh*thole" countries have the opposite trend.

@GregorSamsa000

2 ай бұрын

@@ProgressiveGoldbug Brooo.. take it easy XD ... you sound like if pepe the frog was a Nazi scientist! "Undesirables" LMFAO!

@dgtheone

2 ай бұрын

I remember the movie. However it always occurred to me that people who consider themselves intelligent- are they? Also there is no guarantee that intelligent people offspring will be intelligent. Or if you consider the high birth rate in Africa is a result of poverty and not intelligence.

@user-nz5dh6qq5x

2 ай бұрын

Who stupid now????

@GregorSamsa000

2 ай бұрын

@@user-nz5dh6qq5x uncle roger maybe too harsh on hooman beings hayiaaahh!

The way some people talk about this, they make it sound like countries' populations will go extinct. I get the impression populations are just stabilizing after decades, arguably centuries, of growth.

@lewis0705

2 ай бұрын

its a bigger issue than you think. as the birth rate declines, the median age increases. an older population means less people that are at a working age, and more people requiring healthcare. and less working people means retirement age could increase, which is already happening in some countries. an older population also causes the society to think less long term. only voting for short term policies and not caring about the new generations

@ll2323

2 ай бұрын

Italys and South Koreans countries actually might disappear.

@nodruj8681

2 ай бұрын

Your comment shows the ignorance of the average midwit

@MM-we4no

2 ай бұрын

@@lewis0705so capitalism will collapse - which I don’t even know why we’re fighting for it so much because it’s screwed most of us. But humanity is not going to go extinct

@santostv.

2 ай бұрын

Even if we don’t go extinct certain nationalities and the “west” will be replaced by Africans and latin Americans. On a economic level fewer birth rates means fewer workers that means fewer money in the economy and results in deflation and in turn high unemployment and also probably means the elderly will be left to die alone (already happening) ect

Less kids equals a smaller population and fewer people fighting for limited resources.

Lower birth rate= decreasing global population, which equates to more resources per capita and less competition for economic opportunities and less need for further urban development/less need for destruction of natural habitat. Sounds like a W all the way around.

I don't want kids to suffer, inflation, climate change, unemployment have huge drastic impact.

@mariaverina

2 ай бұрын

Same

@SamuelBlack84

2 ай бұрын

I just don't want kids

@CoupleDrinks

2 ай бұрын

lol you're pathetic. You life is infinitely better than the previous generations

@Jen-lg4hp

2 ай бұрын

Or more tyranny disguised as a 'plandemic' .

@lizzylizzy9526

2 ай бұрын

​@SamuelBlack84 LOL same. Even if it was Paradise on Earth I still wouldn't want any.

No shit… how can you raise a family earning average uk salary of 27k annually

@EnterTheSoundscape

2 ай бұрын

That 27k figure doesn’t represent the average person either. It’s heavily skewed by the handful of people makes over £80k. Most younger people would be lucky to take home £24k after taxes.

I hope the world population gets to one billion .

Less population = more available housing?

@Ravenboppityzoppity

2 ай бұрын

Only if laws against corporate real estate investment firms start being proposed, approved, and enforced. Otherwise housing will still be taken up by ppl using it as a way to make money.

Boomers were too lucky

@blanckieification

2 ай бұрын

Lucky + they didn't realize it =igorant

@DR3ADER1

2 ай бұрын

They weren't, they were the product of the Second World War ending. Again, the global birth rate increased in the triple-digit percentage range in the immediate AFTERMATH of the First World War for example.

@brushstroke3733

2 ай бұрын

Maybe, but they also grew up during the Vietnam war, the constant existential threat of nuclear annihilation, the oil crisis in the 1970s, race riots, fights for equal rights, HIV, etc. Every generation has its challenges.

@DR3ADER1

2 ай бұрын

​@@brushstroke3733All Generations are as dumb as each other and are additionally historically challenged by crises instigated by the preceding generations. No one is special here.

@kcjfilms2946

2 ай бұрын

@@brushstroke3733 true. And also a better gap between wages and living cost and less debt. They wont be remembered well