“The coordinates, man, the coordinates!” -Jake Vader

@randallbesch2424

2 ай бұрын

Darth Vader is a Sith name only.

@razorback9999able

2 ай бұрын

The numbers, mason

@VOTE_REFORM_UK

2 ай бұрын

Sounds like Joe Biden

@chrisseay2120

2 ай бұрын

For those who know, that's a Dennis Hopper thing. 😅

@Cuttersway

2 ай бұрын

“Now THIS is interrogating!!” 😅

I like that you refer to Vader’s communication with the Emperor as “FaceTiming” lol You’re not even wrong 😂

@Bulletsandblockbusters

2 ай бұрын

Haha was waiting for someone to point this out

@Derpy1969

2 ай бұрын

Holo-time.

@poppers7317

2 ай бұрын

Those Sith are such Apple hipsters.

@KevinWhite-zb5os

2 ай бұрын

On a Star Destroyer capable of hyperspace, you'd think they'd have a better communication array. All I'm sayin'.@@Bulletsandblockbusters

@randallbesch2424

2 ай бұрын

@@KevinWhite-zb5os they had to move out of the asteroid field first.

Man, that was a lot of stressful bts for Lucas at the time. Being a creator of the IP was really hard work. No wonder he had stress related chest pains, I mean who wouldnt

@stellviahohenheim

2 ай бұрын

Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars movie because George Lucas delegated a lot of the production to others instead of trying to do it all by himself and yet when people talk about the creator of Star Wars only his name comes up

@ARandomInternetUser08

2 ай бұрын

@@stellviahohenheim without him, there's no Star Wars. Period.

@KaitainCPS

2 ай бұрын

It honestly changed his entire outlook. Until 1980, Lucas is a bold, visionary filmmaker (and that includes writing and production work on Raiders of the Lost Ark). After 1980, he becomes a much more conservative filmmaker, and also decides to bring Star Wars to a close in 1983 (he had previously planned to keep the story going with the Luke/Leia/Solo group for several more movies).

@barkley8285

2 ай бұрын

@@KaitainCPS Lucas in 1977-1981 was a beast and then work overload, divorce, and being nearly bankrupt changed him and that caused temple of doom being kinda shit then later 1-2 being completely cg, race cars, kid actors, symbiotic relationships, and other garble as lucas was a different man. Episode 3 was the only time after Raiders that lucas kinda gave a shit again.

@user-hc9qv9yb9m

2 ай бұрын

@@stellviahohenheimBest sequel

That was a great insight. One thing, be careful when you say ILM had “nothing to show for it”. They did. They had built two, advanced, complicated computerized motion control cameras and most of the models. They had no footage to show, however.

@KaitainCPS

2 ай бұрын

Yep. Star Wars was one of the biggest R&D projects of all time.

@torrenofamber

2 ай бұрын

Nothing to show for it other than revolutionizing sci-fi movies and changing the world!!! Looks like you have nothing to show for it when it's a camera, a motorized rail system and this wall of lights and film stuff. A computer doesn't look like much, but it does so much.

@toddnolastname4485

2 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure when they nothing to show for it, they mean literally no footage to show for it. So, it's just true.

@SaturnCanuck

2 ай бұрын

@@toddnolastname4485 They had two shots, but thats not what he said

@phill6859

2 ай бұрын

​@@SaturnCanuckneither of the first two shots required the dykstraflex they had spent all the time and money on. They shot them quickly as they had nothing to show and thought it might help

The Empire STrikes back really is a great film. I love the openning of the droids launching, something about that is so subtle yet fun

People in my generation (Gen Z) love the prequels, and while I appreciate certain things about them, Empire Strikes Back is, for me, the definitive Star Wars movie. One of the greatest movies in cinema, period.

@nigelpisswater484

2 ай бұрын

I like the prequels as "Star Wars" movies, they're not great movies by a writing perspective but the way they influenced and shaped the entire way we view star wars cannot be understated, Empire however transcends being a good star wars movie, Its an amazing movie in general in terms of acting, writing, effects.

@aurorauplinks

2 ай бұрын

@@nigelpisswater484their will be good star wars movies again. it is only a matter of time. but yes, i too like the prequels. I actually wouldnt mind if someone built up a good script to work with the best ideas for the prequels and clone wars, to create a new prequel reboot someday, decades later perhaps, as long as everyone was good at what they were doing. I always prefer the classics, but sometimes a really good reboot that takes all the lessons from previous films and puts heart into it, well, theres room to always do or do not.

@highlanderc

2 ай бұрын

@@aurorauplinksNo.... that ship has sailed... 1-6 is good and we are lucky we got them.

@ARandomInternetUser08

2 ай бұрын

RotS is still the best. To me.

@timewarpdrive77

2 ай бұрын

The prequels influence on the expanded universe is also something to appreciate; both of Matthew Stover's PT novels are excellent (for instance)

Forgot to mention the rights to the toys George brokered. As a 70's kid, this was part of it, for sure.

@thecandlemaker1329

Күн бұрын

Moichandising - where the real money from the movie is made!

The Empire Strikes Back is a perfect cinematic masterpiece

@randallbesch2424

2 ай бұрын

And the darker middle movie of a triple series.

@Lbf5677

2 ай бұрын

No, that's what Kevin Smith said. In reality the new hope is the best one

@goldman77700

2 ай бұрын

@@Lbf5677 Nah. Empire all day.

@Lbf5677

2 ай бұрын

@@goldman77700 it's mostly just running away. The fights in the bespin corridors are lame. When Han solo gets frozen it's mostly chewbaccas noises and cheesy dialogue. It ain't bad overall but nowhere near new hope

@goldman77700

2 ай бұрын

@@Lbf5677 Bah, Yoda is awesome. And Lando. Vader and Luke duel is iconic. So is the father reveal. World-building is amazing. Character development of the main trio is waaayy better. New hope they felt chars in a story, and Empire they felt like human beings. The less Lucas is involved creatively the better, the opposite is how we got the Prequels.

I never would have thought how completely different Empire strikes back would have been. The original storyboard has a lot of cool concepts and ideas but I’m glad with what we ended up with. I’m also glad that there were people that challenged George with his ideas and told him “No” when things got too extreme. That is something the prequels needed. Most of you misunderstood my comment so I’ll preface that I LOVE the Prequels as much as I love the Orginal trilogy. But looking back now as an adult you can see the flaws and how things could have been done better or different.

@KidPrarchord95

2 ай бұрын

I think the prequels are better off without that. Perhaps they would've been better if people gave Lucas more push-back, but as it stands, I and many other still like them more than the OT.

@John-ns5se

2 ай бұрын

@@KidPrarchord95 don’t get me wrong I absolutely love the prequels and think they are better than Disney Star Wars. But I think George went to far in a few places and would have been better if he had people challenge some of his ideas when things went to extreme. Like with Jar Jar Binks. I think if he didn’t try to make his character to comical people would have liked him better . But I’ll always love the Prequels as much as I love the orginals

@AvelierPlays

2 ай бұрын

Prequels are good as they are, they are different. There was a 20 year gap in technology, movie making techniques and other things. The prequels were never meant to be and feel like the OT because they were also set in a different time too.

@DontrelleRoosevelt

2 ай бұрын

Who is Never?

@thejoin4687

2 ай бұрын

@@John-ns5se Here's a controversial take: Perhaps the problem was that there wasn't enough Jar Jar. Binks should have been a central hero rather than a redundant clown, like the droids in Star Wars IV and the hobbits in Fellowship---we see events of galactic importance unfold from the perspective of the little people. Jar Jar really could have been the key to everything.

Let us all take a moment of silence to honor Bracken!! She paved the way for one of the greatest sequels of all time!!!

@sjdrifter72

2 ай бұрын

Brackett

@agfagaevart

Ай бұрын

not really, because her draft was re-written many times.

@hobbs1701a

Ай бұрын

@@sjdrifter72 Oops, a typo

Just like how they took George Lucas's original Star Wars script and turned it into a comic, I love to see them take the original Empire Strikes Back script and turn it into a comic, that be interesting… The movie we got is one of the best of all time, so it all worked out

@matt_afact

2 ай бұрын

I have the Annotated Screenplays they put out in 97 to promote the special edition, it has cool first draft stuff and all the Special Edition changes on the sides of the dialogue. I always imagined the "Alternate" versions in my head when I read them.

@crazyinsanepenguin

2 ай бұрын

Also I'd like to see Lucas's original sequel trilogy adapted into a comic too. It'll probably never happen, but I think everyone would be really interested in reading it

@FreedomforHaiti

2 ай бұрын

A comic adaptation of Bracket's "Empire" treatment would be amazing! She had one scene of Chewbacca fighting a wampa (which makes Chewie look small). Lots of other interesting stuff, too.

@IAMYAMAMA

2 ай бұрын

What was the comic?

@mattstorrs757

2 ай бұрын

​@@IAMYAMAMA It was adapted by Marvel Comics and became an ongoing series.

Love empire strikes back

This is incredibly well done. Most people who put these kind of videos together do shoddy research and rely on a lot of hearsay but this one is spot on. Impressive... Most impressive.

@agfagaevart

Ай бұрын

he left out a lot, and left in some errors.

@worldwideinterests1

26 күн бұрын

@@agfagaevart Oh? Such as?

I remember the old theories about what the Clone Wars was. Such as Obi-Wan (OB-1) and Owen (O-1) being clones. Pet gargoyles?

@thecandlemaker1329

Күн бұрын

Pet gargoyles sound rad, so it's no surprise Disney cut them out when they finally showed us the lava castle.

Remember: Chewbacca died on Sernpidal while saving the life of Anakin Solo, the third child of Leia and Han. This occurred in the first year of the Yuuzhan Vong War. That's from the series of books which is NOW non-canonical. Thanks to Disney. I have many years of books from the Star Wars series that WERE canonical at the time. When Disney took over, they decided they wanted to take the story in a different direction, rendering those books non-canonical.

It's rare to learn new interesting facts about star wars, you delivered many.

'...with both men challenging Lucas when his ideas didn't work or didn't make any sense' THIS. This is what the prequels needed.

@Khultan

2 ай бұрын

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯🎯

@josephforrest3713

2 ай бұрын

The prequels are by FAR the best films. OG Star Wars needs rebooting. It's aged HORRIBLY!

@gbrogo7139

2 ай бұрын

@@josephforrest3713what an L take

@jimmyboy131

2 ай бұрын

100% disagree. How would you update them, with a bunch if CGI? There are already too many CGI heavy movies today, and it gets tiresome.

@joh2434

2 ай бұрын

@@jimmyboy131 I never suggested updating them. They exist and were largely bad but they can’t be undone

Sorry, I heard nothing after, "Vader lives with his pet gargoyles." That's some crazy shit. I did hear the facetime joke though, that was amazing.

Vader, kills a rebel, then walks past Leia and tilts his helmet... Vader to Leia: Good day ma'am...

@RandomResearch57

2 ай бұрын

I would pay to see this

Wow! Another great job!! I'm SO glad none of this happens, as Empire is still one of my all time favorite films.

Not sure if anyone already mentioned it, but the scars on Hamill could've been explained by fighting with rebellion off-screen. The Wampa scene wasn't written to cover for that. Cheers from France! 🍻

Although I love what we got, having Lando be a clone from the original clone wars concept from pre-2002 would have been very interesting

@dugroznostalgia4413

17 күн бұрын

What was the "original" clones concept?

@indianajones4321

17 күн бұрын

@@dugroznostalgia4413 it was where the galaxy came under attack from mad clones who unleashed the clone army on the Republic. Primarily it was alluded to in many EU Star Wars media in the 90s such as novels and comics, but never actually shown.

@dugroznostalgia4413

17 күн бұрын

@@indianajones4321 I read some of those a LONG time ago! I believe there was also a clone of Luke named “Luuke “ 🤓

@indianajones4321

17 күн бұрын

@@dugroznostalgia4413 yes there was created by Joruus C’Baoth in the Thrawn trilogy

this is your best work! i knew so much of this going into this but still learned a couple new things and you laid it out so well. it’s amazing how many pitfalls happened during SW and ESB and how close they were to being sloppy messes and yet they both redefined what movies are and could be and ESB ends up being the best sequel of all time (followed closely by Aliens). that reason and how many different crew all simultaneously hit home runs, is what makes SW and ESB two of my all time fav movies.

What we got is still the best Star Wars movie ever made. The only problem I have is the cliffhanger ending, but it’s more of a pet peeve as I prefer movies have proper conclusions

@TheSuperQuail

2 ай бұрын

Han Solo should have been killed off instead of frozen to be honest. His character arc was already complete.

@Paul_1971

2 ай бұрын

@@TheSuperQuail How was it?

@Paul_1971

2 ай бұрын

It was a looong 3 year wait!

@willhubert2319

2 ай бұрын

That’s an interesting take. I honestly really like a proper cliffhanger like this one where there is a complete journey so it feels like a full movie but also has more story to be told, leaving you excited for the next one. Pirates of the Caribbean Dead Man’s Chest, Back to the Future part II, and Avengers Infinity War also have great cliffhangers.

@greyjedi6430

2 ай бұрын

Well we finally got the perfect ending with rise of skywalker the best star wars movie ever made

2:39 (Splinter of the mind's eye) I listened to an audiobook verison of this floating around on KZread a year ago. i've heard the title and i think seen the cover for years, but never read it. I think the audiobook was made with Ai or something as far as voicework. I forget the exact details. But I mainly sought it out becasue i couldn't find an official audiobook/drama of it at the time. So this was a relief and really accessible. book itself, I really liked it. Felt a lot like what the other Extended Universe would end up becoming. Thought it was a nice scaled down adventure story. Also, i didn't catch that Vader's hand got cut off in the book. I guess i must've missed that detail. still, had a good time with it.

@randallbesch2424

2 ай бұрын

Vader's arm was cut off by Luke.

Awesome video. 🔥 but Empire wound up exponentially better than the “what could have been” version. It’s a shame Lucas had such a bad experience with it, because it led to a rushed Episode VI and no more SW movies for 16 years.

@Bulletsandblockbusters

2 ай бұрын

Agreed

@MikeCaputo1984

2 ай бұрын

@bullets would love to see “what could have been” a ROTJ that didn’t suffer from these setbacks!

@theguybehindyou4762

2 ай бұрын

No muppets or ewoks? 😃

@timewarpdrive77

2 ай бұрын

Just wish he managed to get someone else to direct the prequels and to get someone to bounce story ideas off of. They're so close to being good movies

@Theosake

2 ай бұрын

@@timewarpdrive77They’re fine as they are. He had plenty of help with the PT and he asked other directors to make them but they said no. In the end it’s good he did, because he told the story he wanted.

I read Splinters of the Minds Eye in high school. A fun story that made an impact of me. Today, I love just about everything sci-fi. Star Wars and Clifford Simak helped me to embrace sci-fi.

ESB is my favorite star wars movie!

@wet-read

2 ай бұрын

It is the best one, easily.

@jasonjansen9831

2 ай бұрын

@@wet-read Agreed. Empire is so much better than every other Star Wars movie (including the original) it's laughable. The only reason the franchise has endured so long is the strength of this film.

9:30 Mark Hamill has stated on multiple occaisions that his injury from the car accident and the wampa attack trom Empire are completely unrelated. He has also stated that the injuries incurred during the accident were greatly exaggerated in the years following ESB's release.

Still the greatest movie of all time

@theantone7476

2 ай бұрын

Wrong

@FriendZone75

2 ай бұрын

@@theantone7476 what's right then?

@theantone7476

2 ай бұрын

​@@FriendZone75 It's not THE greatest. Maybe one but not the only greatest

Mimban is actually reused in the Expanded Universe as the location of one first major sites of the Clone Wars. Mimbanese natives and mining guild special interests engage in one of the bloodiest conflicts of the Clone Wars, with the Republic and the Separatists aiding each respectively. Originally in the EU content, Mimban was completely Separatist. It is hinted in Solo that eventually, the Empire turns on the Mimbanese natives to make sure that the mining continues unabated, and the natives are none-too-happy about it, which is confirmed in later expanded media.

Awesome video with good insights on the behind the scenes process of the film. I had read about Lucas' near heart attack during filming of a New Hope and was glad to see it talked about here

"The Legends are canon, always."

I've read some of Brackett's script, and have come to realize that Disney might've read it. I know that sounds crazy, but it truly feels like one of the Disney-Wars (I refuse to call them sequels) films. The whole sub-plot of Luke finding a crystal in his lightsaber that contains a map containing the location of his father is very similar to TFA's map to Luke sub-plot. Also, the Emperor is described as wearing "a robe of gold cloth." Remind you of anyone?

I read Splinter of the Mind's Eye as a kid. I remember actually feeling cheated reading it as Han Solo was absent. How could it be 'Star Wars' without Han Solo? Made no sense to me (let's face it, still doesn't). I had no idea that Gilbert Taylor (cinematographer for the first film) gave Lucas any trouble, but I'm not entirely surprised. He'd been working as a cinematographer for nearly 30 years before he worked on Star Wars. He was the cinematographer for such classics as Dr. Strangelove, A Hard Day's Night as well as Hitchcock's Frenzy. I would imagine that Taylor's resistance to Lucas's ideas resulted in better results than they would have gotten had he always listened to Lucas. Whatever a person achieves in their life, however successful they may be, one should never blindly follow what they say - particularly if it contradicts your own understanding. Brilliant people can still be wrong, however big their ego might be, whether they can comprehend they could be wrong or not. Lucas wasn't always right, even back then. His greatest works were when he listened to the experts he hired, his biggest failures were when he didn't.

@matthewgaudet4064

2 ай бұрын

Gil was right about how soft looking Star Wars was being shot, considering Lucas went back years later with digital tools and sharpened those scenes. He didn't like shooting anamorphic either he thought the distortion was garbage.

@FrancisXLord

2 ай бұрын

@@matthewgaudet4064 That's interesting. I actually like the soft scenes (I only watch the 4K77 version), I think the softness adds a kind of timeless ethereal quality.

@db8658

2 ай бұрын

Well stated.

@agfagaevart

Ай бұрын

Taylor was wrong, as someone has mentioned, the softness gives SW an ethereal and mythical look which Lucas was after; a kind of "knights of the round table" effect as seen in paintings by the Pre Raphaelites and their ilk. When Lucas was filming SW most of the British crews were condescending towards him, (saying things like "Wanker!" after / before takes) refusing to work overtime even a few minutes, in order to finish scenes. Constant tea breaks, etc. Taylor looked upon him as some young upstart from America, who didn't know what he was doing. When he should've respected the director's vision.

@FrancisXLord

Ай бұрын

@@agfagaevart Hey, do you know that every time a film is made in the UK by Americans, the UK crew get a base wage, whatever their role? They don't get any percentage share, they get whatever the going BECTU rate is at the time for their work. They don't work overtime for a few minutes because they're invariably not paid for those minutes. US filmmakers come over here, taking advantage of our tax breaks, then f*** off back across the pond where they bask in the glory and the fortune enabled them by our base paid film crews. They should have respected his vision? They didn't know his vision. Did you not hear Mark Hamill speak about the fact that not a single extra understood what was going on in the scenes where they all got medals in the end? He had to explain to it them. What's more, with all the studios who passed on Lucas's vision, were they any different in not respecting his vision? Few did at the time. If he wanted his crew to 'respect his vision' he should have shared his vision instead of just telling people to stand there and do that.

great video man, i'm enjoying it a lot! one thing i would humbly bring to your attention: it was Marcia Lucas, his wife, who got the idea to kill off Obiwan because the plot needed some more dramatic weight and they were editing the film together and George decided that was actually a pretty great idea... before anyone sheds tears, Sir McGuinness was certainly not sorry about it as he reportedly hated his role as much as Harrison Ford hated his own... geez, actors can be such entitled drama queens lol

@maricallo6143

2 ай бұрын

Alec then also hated his cca 1% from film's earnings, I suppose....

@Nefylym

2 ай бұрын

@@maricallo6143 regrettably i have no data on the late Sir's financials, however i do recall reading that both he and Ford felt the characters and script were too amateur and provencial for their artistic ambitions, i'm a huge fan of star wars just for the record

@johncarl472

Ай бұрын

@@Nefylym that's exaggeration that he hated his role.

Awesome video! I learned a lot of stuff that I didn’t previously know about ESB. One thing that you mentioned at the end was how we never got to see what Lucas would have done with the sequel trilogy, but there is a book by Paul Duncan that goes into that.

Additional fact. The president of Fox lost his job for the deal with Lucas giving him more money for a better percentage of the take. Fox wanted the sequel rights back. In retaliation for the firing, Lucas took Raiders to Paramount instead of Fox as he originally intended.

Vader lava castle sounds so cool, and in line with Mustafar.

Thanks for the amazing video. Big Star wars fan ❤

I remember Dave prowse saying Darth Vader was gonna be revealed to be Luke Skywalker's father in 'Star Wars 2' on either Swap Shop or Blue Peter (BBC1) in 1978.

Always so much more to learn about the history of Star Wars and what could have and might have been.

I was blithely unaware of these details. Thank you for providing such exhaustive elucidation on my favorite movie of the original trilogy!

The whole thing with Leia as his sister is really weird considering it started off as a love triangle. It's the really icky part of SW. Never knew how Lucas could reconcile that in his own mind lo!! The best part of Empire was hiring a Irvin Kershner to direct who did a truly magnificent job!

Splinter of a minds eye, read it from my local library when I was pretty young. My growing nerd noticed many inconsistencies from the films.

@randallbesch2424

2 ай бұрын

Easy to notice, it wasn't canon in our universe.

"The coordinates, man" makes sense if you read it as old school English military man and not as an Americam teenager/The Big Lebowski

@dclipper8052

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. And even more sense when you imagine David Prowse saying it!

Wish they would have kept the clone idea in there. It makes the "I had no choice" line perfect.

George didn't withhold the Vader secret from Bracket. He hadn't come up with it yet. It wasn't part of his original plan.

Seems like Empire is a much simpler movie, which is probably one of the reasons it's so damn good.

Wow, so interesting. Keep up the great work man!

Loving these videos man, keep it up 🔥🔥🔥

Excellent report, with so much new elements. Thx.

@Bulletsandblockbusters

2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@machinesnoires

2 ай бұрын

@@Bulletsandblockbusters I didn't know about the details of production problems during ESB, and I didn't know Lucas was not satisfied with Kurtz from New Hope. I still believe it was a good choice to keep him. ROJ was good, that's the forst one I saw in 83, but I wonder what it could have been with Kurtz and Lucas trying to compromise both. (Kurtz ideas was too dark, and Lucas too easy (the Empire is so clumsy).

Thank you for this great video! 🙏

Very fascinating background information. Just as interesting as the film itself. Hard to believe there was so much tension and stress behind the scenes.

I’ve seen ALOT of these videos and all about empire before. I did not know most of what you covered here. You got me 🤟

@Bulletsandblockbusters

2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

Great story! This is definitely one of my favorite movies ever made and it’s always cool to learn more about it. It’s definitely interesting to learn about the struggles that Lucas, and others went through. Good work on this project! I love all 6 classic Star Wars movies and I also have a soft spot for Force Awakens but that’s where it ends for me. Still love the overall franchise though.

Great stuff! Another note: Rio Bravo was also directed by Howard Hawks. Yes, John Wayne was in it, but Leigh Brackett was working for Hawks again, in that instance.

Best Star Wars movie made and one of the best movies ever made!!!!

Welcome back BB. Hope you had a great break. 🙂👍

@Bulletsandblockbusters

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! 😃

Funnily enough, this vid dropped on my birthday! And ESB is one of my fave movies of all time!

@Bulletsandblockbusters

2 ай бұрын

Happy birthday 🎂

@haydentcem

2 ай бұрын

@@Bulletsandblockbusters Thanks man!

Awesome vid! I much prefer the released version to the Crystal MacGuffin plot!

@tyrannozilla

2 ай бұрын

That crystal map read like something Abrams would conceive. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Abrams or Disney read Brackett's draft because that's what it felt like.

Prowse never leaked anything. He was interviewed once for a regional newspaper and told the reporter that the direction of of future stories could go anywhere. He jokingly speculated that Vader could be Luke's father for all he knew. So in a way George ripped him off. Painting Prowse in a bad light is a sign of poor research. George definitely took part and encouraged this. Playing up his accent (which as an actor he could drop) and underplaying his contribution.

Hey. That's a neat-lookin Sailor Moon Lightsaber in the ad at the beginning of the video. I didn't know they made those.

@Poizenne

12 күн бұрын

The crescent moon is pretty cool. If I had the money I'd get it, being a fan of both series.

Respect for Lucas not planning to recast Luke if Hamil couldn't film anymore from the accident.

Credit to Irvin Kershner who directed Empire. In the wrong hands the film could have been a disaster. Star Wars and Return of the Jedi are not without their problems but Empire is damn near perfect.

That was very interesting ... I was not aware about the financial difficulties that G. Kurtz and I. Kershner have caused :)

The more I learn about him the more Lucas seems like a guy who has a lot of great ideas but needs a lot of help incorporating them into a story, ideas are all well and good but they should be in service of a good story, even if the story is a bit basic. That said, for my money the original Star Wars trilogy as it was first presented works.

This is by far my favorite Star Wars sequel

Ideas that would have contributed to Lucas's originally planned 9-12 episode saga. Of course he would have been stressed like hell (but having Vader not being Luke's father and Leia not being his sister thus her being revealed later would have been awesome)!

That was a wild ride

another banger your videos are amazing

Saw this last year in theaters, one of greatest films I ever seen

If empire had failed and fox took over can you imagine what would happen to the franchise if it had been treated like Aliens vs Predator?

Still, Kurtz helped Lucas reign in his vision from going too far.

Having watched your previous videos on the topic of 'films that could have been' I've always wondered: how and where do you find some of the scripts behind this stuff?

No offense to Brackett, but the film would've been an absolute disaster had Lucas not-re-written the script. She really didn't understand what made Star Wars work and it truly showed that without Lucas at the helm (be it a director or producer) it'll never feel like Star Wars (take note, Disney).

@Bulletsandblockbusters

2 ай бұрын

Agreed. Her script was pretty old fashioned and anti climatic

@tyrannozilla

2 ай бұрын

I actually have the script but only read nearly half of it and the rest of the story I got from a synopsis from Rinzler's making of book. Even with that, it was enough for me to think that the myth that Brackett and Kurtz saved the story from George was total BS. Also, I wouldn't have been surprised if Abrams, Johnson, or Disney read that draft because it felt like something they would've written. I mean, you even have emperor being described as someone wearing golden robes. Remind you of anyone?@@Bulletsandblockbusters

@elreyabeja4539

2 ай бұрын

@@Bulletsandblockbusters I don't think her script was against the climate

Man, Prowse got ready for a life of conventions before the movies were even finished. He's a trailblazer, when it comes to stretching out his 15 minutes, turning it in to 35 plus years! Good for him but I did meet him at a few conventions and he was not exactly Santa Clause! He spent the whole convention, signing his name as, 'David Prowse IS Darth Vader.' lol Rumor was, he took insult to someone asking him to sign a photo that had James Earl Jones' signature on it!!!! Bit of a Diva, he was :)

I remember reading "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" when I was a teen.

The constraints on Lucas appear to have been a part of making Star Wars great

I really appreciate that this wasn't just another hit piece against Lucas, and showed that he really is the reason we have the great Star Wars movies

@ncapone87

2 ай бұрын

Star Wars without George Lucas sucks

I remember reading Splinter of the Mind’s Eye in the 90’s. It surprised me how different it was than how Star Wars would eventually develop.

Love it!

I love this channel

Alot of ppl give him shit for selling to disney but the truth is he had just had a child, and knew that the sequel trilogy would take 10yrs and didnt want to potentially ruin a marriage and miss that much time, and so he believed that disney would respect his vision and be able to complete it, but we all know how that turned out. And dont forget the massive betrayal of kennedy also didnt help and was the main issue. Im sure we all know he regrets it, but alas, we have the 6 star wars movies to go back to.

The Empire Strikes Back is my favorite Star Wars movie alongside Attack of the Clones.

Next do "The Star Wars from the Journal of the Whills" George had a lot of help in rewriting that version of the script he begged everyone he knew to help him but he didn't give any of the other people shared writing credit. Spielberg was even worse on Close Encounters he had 5 writers helping him all he did was a two page story he never wrote that script but he claimed credit for it he wanted a Written and Directed By credit but he never deserved a Written By credit.

btw; the flying mantas in the early draft are more comparable to the manta things the kaminoins use in EP 2

ESB is my favorite of all six (6) movies. Lando Calrissian, being a clone, would have been a clever idea.

Thank you!

Nice compilation. I'd love to see a different version of the story put on film.

Someone should made a series like The Offer about making Star Wars

Have you seen the documentary "Empire of Dreams"? It was included as part of the original trilogy dvd box set back in the early 2000's. I beleve it mententions something about Lucas coming up with the whole "I am your father" during the production, as if he hadn't originally planned it. I can't remember exactly what was said, its been years

Smartest thing Lucas every did was hire writers to flesh out his story and competent directors to make it come to life. Lessons he forgot with the prequels.

The original trilogy is one of the greatest trilogies ever. It's strange to hear how different Empire might have been . I still wish Lucas had finished the star wars movies instead of selling to Disney and letting them mess it up .

"the coordinates man, the coordinates" 😂

@RandomResearch57

2 ай бұрын

That would have been like : Somehow palpating returned

@timewarpdrive77

2 ай бұрын

@@RandomResearch57 not at all... that palps line is aweful. That vader line is just unfitting for vader, but maybe not as bad as some people may think

I think you give a very onesided picture of the role and influence of Gary Kurtz to Star Wars. He was vital for the development of ANH and ESB. And it wasn‘t the case that George Lucas didn‘t want to work with him for RoTJ. They initially did and had growing creative differences about the direction the third movie should go. Kurtz wanted more character driven story. Lucas wanted to sell more toys like Ewok-teddybears. And since Jim Henson wanted him to do „Dark Crystal“ Kurtz went off. No need to blame him for not doing a good job at ESB. In my eyes the two films Kurtz was on board are the best two Star Wars films and there maybe is a reason to that.

How would the aqua planet have figured in "Empire"? It's been a while since I've read Brackett's treatment and J.W. Rinzler's "Making of Empire." ...... I do recall that one page of Brackett's treatment had "Nellith" written and crossed out on a page margin as a possible name for Luke's lost sister.

I have the splinter of the minds eye comic somewhere. Great story, slightly different than described here though

Really great breakdown, including the bit about Brackett and her history adapting Chandler. Just shows how amorphous the story really was. All these years later, we all want to believe that Lucas had planned for Luke to be Vader's (Anakin's) son from the jump, but that just wasn't the case. This includes a lot of other elements that later got established (like C3P0 not remembering Obi-Wan [the "mind wipe"] and more. One small complaint... Dagobah is pronouced: "Day-go-bah", not" Dah-go-bah". Both Luke and Obi-Wan pronounce it "Day-go-bah". Not being the pronunciation police, just thought you might want to know.

Sorry you're so wrong, Gary Kurtz worked hard to make the Star Wars saga the success it became. He wasn't fired from the third film but left after he said Lucas was making a film for toy distributors rather than sticking with the plot. He wanted a more adult film for Jedi but instead it turned into a muppet show so he walked away.