What are some of your success or disaster stories attending a convention?

@pazgonthecynic159

4 жыл бұрын

Can't have convention fail stories if you never went to conventions, amirite?

@stellameep5477

4 жыл бұрын

@Proko I think it depends on the convention. LightBox Expo was an amazing success for me talking to people, but other anime conventions and comic cons I often have to sift through creeps (I am a early 20s female) and people wanting to take advantage of my art skills (commissioning something then demanding lower prices or ghosting me after I have begun the project). I think if you’re a young girl especially you have to be discriminating as to which conventions you go to and who is a serious possible client. Trust your gut, if someone seems too nice or too interested, and you get a creepy feeling get out. I had someone promise to print my art on shirts and sell them, but he got angry over email when I inquired more about payment structure. He said I needed to draw his piece, then he would see how it looked printed on a shirt and if he liked it we would do business. I was naive then and spent hours on a digital piece that I sent to him, then he completely ghosted me and I got nothing for my work. I haven’t seen it turn up anywhere yet, but be careful. That being said, I have also gotten plenty of legitimate business from cons so it’s not all bad. Don’t be afraid to say no! Sadly, some people are there preying on naive new artists. Good luck!

@fr3akypinoy

4 жыл бұрын

This wasn't at a convention. OMG I did this to Marshall at Costco Laguna Niguel about forgetting a name Hahaha. Instead of calling out his name because I forgot, I said "Hey... You work with Proko right?" Oh man I felt so embarrassed.

@yohenson

4 жыл бұрын

Stella Meep what a dush. But it’s these kinda experiences that give you the instinct who’s gonna take advantage or just a creep, or instead the honest businessman who respects your career.

@kay6622

4 жыл бұрын

I said macho to my russian art lead D

Hey, "What's yo thang?" is great! Don't get rid of it.

@ebrahimebrahimi710

4 жыл бұрын

Yes please dont.

Can we plz keep "what's your thang?" I really enjoyed it😳

@monkeydude2424

4 жыл бұрын

Facts 😈😈😈

I'd rather have a fan question lightning round than a crazy question. You probably have quite a few to burn through and that way we can get more nuanced answers. The last 5 minutes felt like a completely different podcast.

@Lishtenbird

4 жыл бұрын

I expected it to be a "crazy art-related question", which could be interesting and somewhat challenging.

Marshall seems like such a sweet sincere guy!! I would love to have him as a teacher.

I attended a masterclass by Robert Kondo and Dice Tsutsumi a few years ago. They spent a good hour and a half detailing their respective influences and artists they admire. When the Q&A period came about, the first question was "who are your influences?"

I would totally listen to some audio books with Marshall's voice.

Please don't stop doing what's your thang. I love it. You can do both the thang and the questions.

Marshall is a treasure and I envy every single student that gets to speak to this man. Some of his sentences feel so thought out and methodical. Thank you for putting Marshall infront of a camera. Somewhere he might not have found himself if it weren't for this podcast.

There's a difference between drawing from imagination and drawing from visual memory. First comes to mix memories and concepts and second one goes to recalling an image that you saved in your memory.

I could listen to Marshall say Port-folio all day.

@AndrewMaksymBrainNectar

4 жыл бұрын

Lol, he just might. You never know

@KiX-K4T13

4 жыл бұрын

Lelz

@scottfitzgerald5352

4 жыл бұрын

Should be a meme xD “Marshall saying port-folio for ten hours”

Stan n Marshall you guys have become the biggest influencers of my life. You guys are life savers. I love the way you put your thoughts in words. I remember the time when I graduated from art school with a degree in textile design n just after three months I realized that this is not at all what I wanted to do in life. From my childhood i just wanted to draw well. So when i finally took the hard step of quitting everything n start learning painting life went worst than bad. I remember how I knocked every do of every painter in the city to beg them teach me how they paint but none of them actually did other than I was just another visitor for them to chat for hours. Boy you guys taught me everything I wanted to know and every week I wait n learn from you guys. I pity those who don't understand English in my country and cant learn from you guys. Great job Stay blessed

As a fellow Russian I appreciate's Stan's efforts on teaching people how to say "urine" in Russian.

Please keep doing 'what's your thing ". It's awesome

While the new question segment is funny, I really think you should keep the 'what's your thang?' segment in, it usually has some very educational things. Thanks, love the episode!

Going to animation festivals have been one of the most enjoyable things in my life. Meeting with other artists around my skill level is so comforting. Becoming friends with these people is so inspiring and motivating.

Marshall’s patience is rare gift. The guy in the voicemail mail should know the things he’s asking considering his age and when he was talking I was annoyed but Marshall manages to give a good answer and promote his site and other things while he was at it. That’s why many of us were waiting for a podcast with him in it.

you're right, we hate it more than 'whats your thang'

I'm rewatching all of these after years, and my god. This is probably the best intro you guys ever had

Season 2 will begin on April 7 and on it’s own KZread channel… Be sure to subscribe! kzread.info/dron/fvIqreCk628yB9mp3e_ABQ.html

I went to Lightbox to meet you but you were mobbed! I kind of yelled at you something while you were crouched on the floor. At least I have a note from you that says “Hi Sandra”. Hahah!

@Lishtenbird

4 жыл бұрын

Well, you could've tried rhyming instead...

For some reason, this was one of my most enjoyable podcasts so far but I've never been to a convention except as a makeup artist at a hair and beauty convention but it was amazing the similarities which I feel boils down to observation and socialization.

The opening has always been the best part. I didn't know it could get better.

I was not amused attending the San Diego Comicon. It was fun in some areas doing things but the crowd was a pain.. you’re always on lineups, the washrooms are always full, there’s no where to sit and rest, you walk at a snail’s pace. It was more annoying than anything.

Your work is so so lol that was a funny story! I appreciate the wealth of information and suggestions you guys provide! Thank you for sharing guys!

I wanna say that I really enjoyed the brief conversation on imagination drawing because for myself I'm learning to be more patient in creating something that is new. I too had the thought process of "I need to just get this thing is the FIRST GO and be done with it, and it will be great, because I know how to draw" And it never works like that. I took the mindset of "I need speed, I need to be able to just draw and paint fast and accurate so I can get to the next thing, just keep making things, some day I'll get that recognition." That way of thinking only make me draw sloppy or give up on ideas because I deemed them too difficult to pursue. Inktober has that effect of "Just get it done, doesn't have to look fantastic." Because you are trying to build a habit of daily drawing, which is fantastic. In November I'm taking that daily drawing that I have learned that I love and put it toward a slow burn in a piece. I have a vision for this piece and I have drawn it over and over this one month, working out thumbnails, working out the values. doing color comps, SLOWING DOWN AND THINKING IT THROUGH. And I realized "Damn I can draw from my imagination" because it is just building on the piece AS YOU ARE WORKING ON IT. I literally 2 days ago found reference for this piece that I was SO SURE I was "Done" with, I was ready to go into the final painting of it but these new bits of info made me say "Wait, that would really work in what I'm making". And now my piece has taken a BETTER direction than my initial "romanticized" vision of the first pass. I now want to take my time with every painting I do, explore it's true potential, as oppose to just "Posting for the Gram" to keep up with the art Jones for no reason. My new mindset is "I'll post it when it's done, and no sooner". Thank you guys for the great content =).

I'm going to CTN for the first time next weekend! Great timing, guys :) This episode really helped me

@caroodraws

4 жыл бұрын

@Negative Space Yeah I did! :) You can find me on Instagram at @Shmarocaro.

If it helps, macha in Tamil means "bro".

@labelleartindia9746

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for one more wonderful podcast. I've never been to anyone con but always wanted to. Now I know what to do if I get a chance to go.

would love to hear you guys discuss construction maybe in a future episode!

"I'm full of knowledge about how to do cons." -Marshall Vandruff 2019

Stan, have you considered boundaries? ;) Or if you like doing critiques at Cons, maybe doing a limited number at set times and having people sign up in advance?

Best part of the Draftsman: Proko's sense of humor.

I love the horse!!😍😍😆

I go to a draftsman school as an artist in my late twenties/early thirties, and all the young folk won’t stop talking about Kim Jung Gi as an aspirent or Sargent as -The- artist to study from. It drives me crazy, it’s like the re emerging Frazetta craze two years ago!

I was actually considering calling in for the voicemails to ask about Aphantasia. I have Aphantasia and an artist as well, which in itself is pretty contradicting. However, I still can manage how to draw without references (even though it's extremely tough for me) because I have to learn the information not really in a subjective manner but more objective. I have to know anatomy, postures, and all as if it was a formula, since I obviously can't draw from imagination. I can't just simply imagine a pose to copy from it, so thinking of it as more of an objective way is kind of required to do artwork. I struggle terribly with perspectives. I can't really visualize how it could look like and i'm pretty much always required to use a model app to figure out on how things should be. I'm not too sure if you'll even see this but I didn't expect to see any kind of mention of aphantasia in a art podcast about conventions! Caught me off guard. x) I guess a question of mine about aphantasia is what are some possible ways to help with needing to draw from "imagination" without really needing to use references, or even how to make the process of trying to draw less of a hassle? Imagination is extremely important for this field and not having that just makes things pretty difficult. x)

@doggy9205

2 жыл бұрын

proko had uncomfortable talk about aphantasia!

@doggy9205

2 жыл бұрын

“Drawing WITHOUT imagination - when you can’t visualize ANYTHING”

Rhyming every thing you say cannot be the easy way, especially if your mother tongue is Finnish, and it takes so long to even think it, let alone to compose a coherent sentence. Therefore, you might compense by yelling it out loud.

@KiX-K4T13

4 жыл бұрын

*slow claps, then transitions to golf claps*

Ever since that drugs episode i just cant unsee stan as jessy and marshall as walter

I assumed this was going to be about “artistic conventions”.

@zack49

4 жыл бұрын

Same

I feel like drawing from imagination is vague. It could mean drawing something without a reference or it could mean drawing something for which there is no reference because it lives only in the artist brain. The second is closer to abstract art. The solution to the first would be to study a bunch of reverences, abstract, and simplify to its basic essence until it lives in your brain and reconstruct it from there.

I'm a graphics programmer and SIGGRAPH is indeed a big f*ing deal :) Been wanting to go for years!

The discussion about the horse and revisiting/retouching drawings is priceless. Kim Jung Gi we aren't... Because HE is! And Marshall? I like the horse too. And please? Stop recommending books, you're costing me money!

Speaking of badges, the only time a comic book artist friend convinced me to go to a convention to show my portfolio, at Lucca Comics and Games (a pretty important fair in Europe), I solved the problem by fixing it in the right position with a pin. :p I had done the same with the ticket, which had to be shown at the entrance of each pavilion.

I love this series. I've learn a lot even tho I just saw few episodes. Is there or will be one with how to put a price on your work? When someone is ordering a portrait or just a painting? Or if you just want to sell whatever you have in studio?

I sometimes feel like Proko's full of "network, surround yourself with people who do great work, don't be afraid to get feedback, get involved, study and work hard" and when the time comes and you get to gather up the courage to ask him a question other than a call on this podcast, he's like "what did you just say to me, you little shit?"

@KenSTACKS

11 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣 reel them in and get them right in the gut where it tickles

Proko I think it depends on the convention. LightBox Expo was an amazing success for me talking to people, but other anime conventions and comic cons I often have to sift through creeps (I am a early 20s female) and people wanting to take advantage of my art skills (commissioning something then demanding lower prices or ghosting me after I have begun the project). I think if you’re a young girl especially you have to be discriminating as to which conventions you go to and who is a serious possible client. Trust your gut, if someone seems too nice or too interested, and you get a creepy feeling get out. I had someone promise to print my art on shirts and sell them, but he got angry over email when I inquired more about payment structure. He said I needed to draw his piece, then he would see how it looked printed on a shirt and if he liked it we would do business. I was naive then and spent hours on a digital piece that I sent to him, then he completely ghosted me and I got nothing for my work. I haven’t seen it turn up anywhere yet, but be careful. That being said, I have also gotten plenty of legitimate business from cons so it’s not all bad. Don’t be afraid to say no! Sadly, some people are there preying on naive new artists. Good luck!

I'd just sit down at your booth and ask if you'd draw me something if I drew you something :P I had some fun with that at an anime con. If I may contribute to the imagination thing, I draw almost exclusively from imagination, and it's a sloppy mix of gesture and construction. After drawing from my head for years, I took formal art training and drew from life - so I draw better from imagination now. But it's usually not something I sit down with the same expectations of realism that I have for a study, even I kinda can. I take much more inspiration from comics and cartoons for how I draw that.

Wonder-Con has a similar concentration of fans to artists as Comic Con--and the cosplayers really dominate. I cosplay, too, but I'm more invested in creating than consuming media. Artist alley and chatting with artists is my favorite part of the convention, followed by panels. I'd love to talk with fellow hobbyist artists but they are hard to find there!

I want "What's your thang" back

just wanted to say i love that horse

I don't expected to see Ilya Repin's "Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks to Sultan" in one of your thumbnail..

gracias por compartir bendiciones

Who was the oldest person that asked for a portfolio review?🤷🏻‍♀️. Just wondered.

I think you guys should get in touch with Sam and Pete at One Fantastic Week and continue this conversation considering a lot of their channel focus is about working as professional artists and the convention scene is a big part of both of their businesses and channel discussions.

i like the horse

I went out of my way to collect resources that teach you fundamentals of imagination: www.reddit.com/r/learnart/comments/dapk62/from_the_guy_who_made_the_most_comprehensive_list/ I stressed out over how to get to the level of drawing from the imagination, too. So it focuses on the fundamentals of draftsmanship and perspective. It's absolute fundamental, to learn perspective in order to draw from imagination. Vandruff says as much, in the podcast. It features both paid and free curriculum suggestions like Proko and Vandruff's instruciton, books, and others that are great. If other people find this useful, hope you have a great art journey ahead! It's working well for me so far.

As an artist from Russia, I've gotten a fair share of similarly puzzling comments from the local community. The worlds that people can live in such a vast country can be so drastically different that when they intersect, you just go, like... whaa? Really, dude?..

At Troian Horse was a Unicorn convention they printed the names on the ID's on the both sides (for the first time ever!)

When I say drawing from imagination I mean without reference. Using construction is fine. I never thought anyone meant any different. Drawing without construction lines just means you draw the construction lines in your head instead of on paper anyways yeah?

@AlexHuneycutt

4 жыл бұрын

I made this to guide artists to drawing from the imagination. See if it helps you: www.reddit.com/r/learnart/comments/dapk62/from_the_guy_who_made_the_most_comprehensive_list/

@NononFPS

4 жыл бұрын

Well I guess you could technically draw something just by knowing the contours. That doesn’t really involve construction. I definitely can’t.

I relate to Marshall so much with his name story, I really have a hard time remembering people's names 😁

Marshall's "un-touched-up" work is PROOF that it's worth SAVORING the craft- it makes me WANT to CELEBRATE the FEELING of grinding the graphite into the divots of the wood pulp. Noobs just don't get it.

I was legit drinking matcha while listening to this

Haven't finished watching yet! Is that the League of Legends logo on Stan's shirt?

@postmodernerkindergartner960

4 жыл бұрын

yes lol, just started the vid, wondering what that is about

I personally really like the crazy questions, I feel like my own chaotic mind isn't represented in the public eye enough

Bring back "What's your thang". Please. Pretty please.

Awesome

Great, Marshall. Now everyone will pile in first thing and last thing at comic cons hahahaha!

The intros are so awkward, I love it

I really like "What's yo' thang".

My port-folio is a low-gistical day dream.

siggraph '96 represent !

Can you do a whole episode of voicemails?

I went to a convention in the UK called the boat show, and my biggest disaster was going there, because I only like looking at the big motor yachts, and my dad flipping looooooves sailing boats. Bored out of my skull, if I ever go again, I'll just draw people

I think you should do Christians crazy questions and what's your thang. You could even throw a third one in there

Just hearing about con exhaustion made me tired! hahaha

Since this is episode 24, is this the last episode of season 1?

@charnich

4 жыл бұрын

There will be 29 episodes this season. Yeah, just a random number.

I miss what's your thang

@Proko Thomas Eakins, please. Please... PLEASE Nice shirt, too. You could make a Proko Poro! lol

Sorry Christian, the thang is my thang!

I sincerely thought that it was gonna by about crazy questions made by Christian Religion People

@sovanjabush4212

4 жыл бұрын

I sincerely hoped so

@nealbiederman4664

4 жыл бұрын

I thought that too lol I wasn't sure if I should if I should listen to it for the sake of keeping my sanity 😊

That was the greatest "Crazy Question" I have ever heard XD

No please don't remove "the Thang", in fact you can do both that and the Christian Crazy Question!

the questions are "would you rather?"

so am I the lucky one who was asked by Marshall to show him portfolio? :D He probably regretted it afterwards tho

Cranky Marshall = very nice normal human being.

I would get really nervous around professionals/artistic celebrities and feel that to ask advice or just talk with them that there would be an expectation to purchase something from them. That could turn into a very expensive day! What are people's thoughts and opinions on this?

Wow

I went to Metro Con a few years back and a black One Punch Man fought a Pro Life demonstrator and threw her signs

Christians crazy questions bad, I'd rather have what's your thing :\

That song - Who needs a draft man ‘s chew ? I don’t get it.

Bring what's your thaing back! That thing was lame... Other than that, I love you guys, I'm a super fan!

I definitely wouldn't last with all the rhyming. Because it's tricky to rock a rhyme.

Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is useful for training yourself in contour drawings and improving your general ability to see angles/relationships/proportions. The presudo-science is absolute bullshit, but the exercises are useful. There's a Level 1-100 in drawing, but no one talks about "level zero." That is, being unable to drawing things that already exist in space. Just looking at something and recreating it. None of the amateur KZread art tutorials talk about this, because they assume you already have some basic art fundamentals (even if you don't). Surely you'll absorb these basics of construction, since you've already mastered proportions, negative space, shadows and lighting and perspective... right? But if you're an absolute beginner, you won't know that. If you jump right to drawing from imagination and don't spend any time getting past Level 0, you're going to have a bad time and waste an enormous amount of time and be horribly frustrated. I highly recommend the book to the absolute beginner for its exercises, alone.

@100XPercentX

4 жыл бұрын

Wow. I am not great at drawing things that don't exist. I lack abstract thinking sometimes. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

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I prefer "what's your thang"

41:50, 45:15, 49:00

Janky horse torture... but Marshall's done so many awesome horses....Why? He mocks us with that janky horse. :) )

if you insist replacing whats yo thang with crazy christian questions, at the least the questions should be art related. whatss yo thang can be a very insightful and interesting segment, so whatever replaces it if anything should match that in my opinion.

"It's okay that I say that... I'm ucranian, I'm the enemy!" I never would've expected that to age so bad and for the life of me I hope no one malicious ever clips that nor finds this podcast.

The Knights who say Nee?

Adams shoes?