HOT TAKE: switching weapons when you stop shooting is actually a really good thing. If you’re doing literally anything in Cuphead that isn’t P-ranking or fighting the chess pieces, you have no reason to stop shooting, so you can just roll a good weapon and keep it. The relic means you can switch between weapons super easily for different phases in fights where you might want 1 weapon for each phase, meaning it’s all upsides.

@MrKap

8 ай бұрын

Sorry if this comes across as rude, but have you used the Divine Relic? The problem that arises is that you don't have full control of when your weapon switches, because dashing switches your weapon uncontrollably, and simply letting go of the shoot button by accident has the same effect, which can be quite common considering everything that's going on during a fight; not to mention that you don't have full control of your EX's either, so no more super big damage traps for certain phases of the boss. All I'm saying is there are clear downsides that may prove to be very unnecessary when you don't even need to use Divine Relic for the majority of the bosses, and it doesn't act as a sudden cheat code to winning the game... EXCEPT for Plane Levels, and that's why it's so high on the list lol. That's also why Heart Ring is on top of the list, because it almost IS a cheat code for surviving any boss fight with extra HP whenever, especially when combined with Crackshot.

@MrKap

8 ай бұрын

Also, there's the whole process of getting the Divine Relic in the first place, so that's also taken into account just so everyone knows.

@emeraldnickel

8 ай бұрын

@@MrKap you do have a point with the dashing being annoying, but I kind of play conservatively with my dashes so I guess I didn’t notice it as much. Accidentally letting go of the fire key would also be a problem but surprisingly I haven’t run into it yet. Piano player skills come in handy in the strangest places

@caoinhnamkhanh2795

8 ай бұрын

Devine relic is pretty fun for certain bosses imo. It makes you have to improvise, tho bc of the dashing thing it does make some bosses really difficult bc there are certain shots you cant use for bosses, like lobber for high up ones, or twist up with its difficult arc to aim with. I have used it to s rank bosses, and its half of the bosses that i use it for. Other half is a mix of using Chalice and Heart ring cuz parrying with the relic is not too hard for a lot of bosses, and the weapon switch downside isnt too bad.

@PublixEmpanada

5 ай бұрын

When you dash you switch plus EX and Super

P. Sugar was super useful for the phantom express fight

I was honestly expecting the Divine Relic to be in S but A is a fair ranking for it

@MrKap

8 ай бұрын

Divine Relic still has its drawbacks and suffers from the same awkwardness of getting used to it like Ms. Chalice, but because it's so good for plane levels, it's why I believe Divine Relic is just ahead of Astral Cookie on the tier list :).

It’s about time someone did this

@MrKap

8 ай бұрын

Ha, it's kinda why I decided to make this in the first place. It might be a bit obvious what the good charms are, but it's still cool to just lay it out on the table and get everyone's input.

@Wwe_superfan

8 ай бұрын

@@MrKapthank you for doing this i wanted a video of this thank u very much

Since you ranked Chalice in A tier because of personal difficulty using her, I, as a player who didn't spend 5 years getting used to Cuphead controls and then attempt to use Chalice, will provide my opinion on her. Double Jump: Honestly the main reason I use Chalice. While the extra jump is nice, the main usage I get from this is the extra airtime. Since you can use your second jump at ANY TIME AT ALL while in the air so long as you haven't already used the double jump, you can use the double jump to clutch up in tough scenarios such as falling off a platform or to cover more distance in the air. This gets amplified with the crackshot ex as with that you can effectively triple jump. Dash Parry: Since I used Chalice relatively early on in the playthrough, the dash parry doesn't really trip me up like it does other players. The dash parry is, most of the time, FAR EASIER than Cuphead's parry, as it doesn't require any timing, can be done without jumping, and the only scenario in the game where its actually worse than Cuphead's parry mechanics are the parries in Grim, in which case parrying still isn't the hardest thing in the world. The changes in how her supers work make basically every single super art 5x better (besides the first one) The invincibility roll actually is a bit more than just a smoke dash on the ground since you're actually invincible for a little bit AFTER you roll, allowing you to cheese stuff you normally couldn't (such as the duck machine in the carnival run'n'gun). And since you have the double jump for air, the lack of invincibility while dashing is generally less of an issue than it seems. Also, there's a f****ing extra hit point with zero downsides whatsoever. With all that said, Chalice is well deserving of an S tier spot, she just has a bit of a learning curve. TL;DR: Chalice is good it's just that most people are too used to Cuphead to bother trying her.

@MrKap

5 ай бұрын

It's more that going through all that effort and being limted on your charm choice just makes bringing her for every fight a bit unnecessary in my opinion. She isn't some "instant" win button like Heart Ring and Divine Relic can be in their own situations. Chalice is 100% a great character and better than normal Cuphead & Mugman, but as a charm slot, there are other options that can work just as well and even better without everything that comes along with choosing Ms. Chalice :)

@aarav6947

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, most of the reason I use her is the double jump and the sheer amount of power that comes with her super II. On plane fights I basically never use her

@pokefanalex9504

7 күн бұрын

Personally agreed I love using Chalice for a ton but I will she is objectively the best choice to use for phantom express because you never have to put yourself in danger or spend time fixing the carts position if the enemy tampers with it. Turned one of my least favorite bosses and most frustrating in the game to a cakewalk

making ms chalice into A is very underrating, ask some casuals and i gurentee you that most of em will say they cant beat game unless they play as her, its literally cheatcode unless you're decent at game

@MrKap

4 ай бұрын

Ehhh, most people would have played the main game first, and having to switch to another character that plays surprisingly differently is a challenge by itself. You're also taking a Super and charm slot to have the maximum amount of survivability, which is on par, if not slightly worse than using Heart Ring and Invincibility. It also encourages you to get better at the game by parrying when using Heart Ring. Astral Cookie is by no means an instant cheat code that'll get you wins on its own, it's your skill that matters. She has a lot of advantages you can utilize to the fullest, but compared to the charms above, I find them more practical, easier, and blatantly more OP than switching to an entirely new character; Divine Relic on plane levels for example and Heart Ring for parry heavy bosses as well.

@ZagSouls

Ай бұрын

@@MrKap Stop trying to convince me I'm even remotely good at this game lmao. I beat it as cuphead, but Chalice hard carries me through DLC. No way I'm getting S on that shit w/o chalice like what

@AlbanianThrash

25 күн бұрын

⁠@@ZagSouls the dlc bosses were designed with ms chalice's move set in mind so its natural that they feel easier as her. idk why but for me the normal bosses feel easier as cup/mug with smoke bomb than as ms chalice. i guess because all those bosses were designed with cup/mug move sets in mind. maybe easier isnt the right word. they FEEL better. playing vanilla bosses as chalice doesn't feel as good, aside from the plane bosses bc chalice's weapons are just direct upgrades in every way

Whetstone is S tier if you’re a speedrunner lol. Parry sugar is a game changer for me and it’s only cause of King Dice. I dread playing King Dice without Chalice because my timing for parrying the dice is always off. And P sugar just changes everything. But yea, B tier is appropriate.

@Chinarider1972

5 ай бұрын

For me, who plays casually, it’s really good, because for some reason, the benefit of the speedrun charm helps me out a lot, so I can get through fights I don’t like faster, it’s the reason I beat Grim’s first phase and Beppi.

100% agree, the only thing I’d change is moving chalice into s tier because of her super 2 which is arguably the best super in the game the extra hp and dodge roll.

1:35 yeah I remember first using twin hearts for expert

2:26 EXACTLY its so difficult to play as her since i started playing Cuphead literally less than a year before DLC came out, from the beginning to finishing S-Rank

Without the DLC, Smokebomb was the only choice.

Nice! This is a great video in celebration of your ranking bosses video! The video that started this whole journey

As a pretty advanced player who has 300% the entire game a few times, I think Ms. Chalice is the best charm in the game when you master her.

0:00 - Intro 0:07 - Broken Relic 0:14 - Cursed Relic 0:30 - Whetstone 0:39 - Heart 0:56 - Parry Sugar 1:12 - Twin Hearts 1:45 - Coffee 2:11 - Astral Cookie 2:52 - Divine Relic 3:56 - Smoke Bomb 4:13 - Heart Ring 4:54 - Outro

I'm on team Chalice. The cookie is a bit like the divine relic in the sense that it's a bunch of different charms together, but with extra steps. It's a nerfed smoke bomb (requires setup and can't be done mid air), a nerfed p. sugar (you still need to press a button, but it's a lot simpler), a buffed heart charm (no damage reduction) a super buffed wheatstone I guess (can double jump anywhere with no damage tho), and even some version of the heart ring in the form of the heart shield, since you exchange 5 cards for an extra heart. But unlike the heart ring, the heart shield will actually count towards your super meter, which is important if you try to get S ranks and need to use up all your supers for extra hearts.

So happy you made a follow up to the shots video!!

@MrKap

8 ай бұрын

I wasn't going to make this video, but I thought, "Why not?". I also find it interesting to know what everyone's opinions are on the list, so I'm looking forward to seeing what people think!

A few things I think: Cursed Relic should be last place. While broken does nothing, I find cursed to hinder you overall What you said about Chalice is very valid, but I still think that she is 1st because you just can’t beat her broken abilities. Other than that I agree with the list

I just watched your weapons ratings and came here to say screw you, charge and spread are S tier. Also to say I've been enjoying your vids, good stuff 👍

This is awesome. It helped me out so much!

@MrKap

7 ай бұрын

Glad it helped!

Whetstone I think should be higher up, to at least B or A. It makes plane levels an absolute BREEZE.

Hey nice video love it it was Useful tysm

@MrKap

8 ай бұрын

My pleasure 😊

In my opinion the best charm is cookie or smoke bomb. Mostly i agree with your list.

@MrKap

2 ай бұрын

That's fair.

Bro I keep watching your teir list they are very entertaining somehow

@MrKap

8 ай бұрын

I appreciate the kind words!

my first and only playthrough i never swapped off twin heart

I would say chalice is an s tier due to the fact that she comes with a slightly harder smoke bomb, extra hp, double jump, and dash parries. In most scenarios, the dash parry is much better than a jump parry. The invincibility roll is extremely good in a ton of scenarios and shines the best on ground bosses. Her double jump allows for insane plays that wouldn’t be possible with Cuphead/ Mugman and comes in clutch a LOT. I would also say that her supers are much better than the base supers and are much more effective

the hear charms are S tier for the run and gun levels if you're a newer player and you're trying to get all the coins. I remember taking so much stupid damage and dying because of slight variations in where enemies would be in a level. definitely way more variation and risk for stupid damage than during the boss fights

@chillPug39

22 күн бұрын

It's also very useful for getting P ranks in the run n guns.

I'd say the whetstone is one of the best, at least I expected it to be, since I have seen speedruns of certain bosses where they literally shredded them by parrying them at least once a second, like Cagney Edit: About the Sugar losing its uses once you "Get good": I don't use parry sugar for parrying normally. It's pretty much only for bosses where the parriables tend to come above. Due to playing on keyboard, I cannot buttonmash quickly enough to press jump twice that quickly. I can only press it with an inverval of about 200ms. That's slow for cuphead. The autoparry comes in handy for fights like phantom express where the parriable objects are usually right above my head (Ghost skulls) and I wouldn't be able to parry them because of hardware.

Love it!

@MrKap

8 ай бұрын

Thank you!!

I don't think id be able to 300% the game without heart ring XD

It's about time I am pretty sure I asked for this a few months or a year ago actually

@MrKap

8 ай бұрын

Yes you did! Decided to make it after all because of your comment 😎🙂

Heart ring is good but smoke bomb is 100% the best atleast imo, sure heart ring gives your more hp but smoke bomb saves your hp

The thing is. I played as ms.Chalice from when I first got that astral cookie. I am sorry to say that I cannot play as cuphead sience I got very used to ms.Chalice's gameplay style and I beat more than 2 thirds of the game using her

I use cookie with crack shot for shot a and spread for shot b

Oh yeah i definitly agree with heart ring in first place!

I think astral cookie is best no only because it gives multiple charms in the same slot but it also allows you to have a double jump and that isn't even possible without ms. Challis

Now I kinda want heart ring and crackshot

I got divine relic easily, because i used infinite djimmi wishes,, so heres the bosses that i beated 1. Every isle 1 bosses 2. Baroness 3.Djimmi 4. Werner.

Hot take: The divine relic is the 2nd best charm in the game just after Ms. Chalice.

Such a good tierlist but miss chalice should be higher (my opinion) but that's bec I started playing cuphead as her so maybe I have just gotten used to her

@MrKap

3 ай бұрын

It's really one of those charms that's on a person-to-person basis. Ms. Chalice if you get good at her is 100% better than Cuphead/Mugman and has a lot of cool things you can do with her specifically. She mainly suffers from a slight lack in versatility for a few bosses alongside not being able to use any other charms but herself. With hitters like Heart Ring and Divine Relic literally making this game like a cheat code, I wanted to throw a hot take out and see what people think. Thanks for being respectful!

@user-nv2tr7vy7h

3 ай бұрын

Yea that is so fair I think that for your average player chalice is hard and heart ring is op with crackshot so that's true (and thanks for responding love hearing people options ☺️

@user-nv2tr7vy7h

3 ай бұрын

Also I love your videos and love your content so you responding means so much to me so thanks for being nice 👍👍👍👍

@MrKap

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words! 😁

@user-nv2tr7vy7h

3 ай бұрын

No problem 😃

1:09 so you've played Hollow knight

Hey, I haven't finished the game so I think it would be nice if you explained every charm a bit more before ranking it. Uk for everyone who doesn't know ^^;

@MrKap

3 ай бұрын

I'll keep that in mind for next time, but I believed that the gameplay showed the effects of each charm well enough that it wasn't necessary all the time. I'll mention it briefly if I do anything similar 👍

Actually the whetstone is worse than cursed relic (the cr is actually pretty good!)

I do suck at parrying a bit

Hey make a video about Spider-Man man two pls

Magic flask

Happy noise

@unknownturtle7736

8 ай бұрын

Mrkap liked my comment. Happy noise 2

Astral cookie or divine relic are the best

ok ok ok lets be real here: 90 percent off players in cuphead only use smoke bomb,cookie,devine relic[for plane levels], and hart ring and thats it

@MrKap

6 ай бұрын

Those are the best charms in the game, soooo sounds about right lol.

Wait I thought Devine relic has smoke bomb coffee and a better heart ring so How is heart ring and smoke bomb better?

@MrKap

3 ай бұрын

And it also switches your weapon randomly every time you stop shooting. It's typically not worth bringing unless you specifically decide to get good and deal with the weapon switching. Divine Relic however is amazing for Plane Levels since you only have to deal with 2 weapons to switch from.

Can you play Master quest it’s a Cuphead mod

@MrKap

7 ай бұрын

Ehhh, maybe..? If I play it, it would most likely be a live stream, so maybe stay tuned with the channel!

How in the world ring+ smokebomd is worse than casual smoke bomb and ring

you have enraged the secret whetstone society. we are now at your door. Open.

@MrKap

3 ай бұрын

🤯

Whetstone SUCKS when playing seriously but I LOVE messing around with it

Where is the new video bro like please cook

@MrKap

7 ай бұрын

Oh I'm cookin alright :)

@kingheassler2744

7 ай бұрын

Ok

Miss Charles is the best

Ok you did miss chalice dirty learning to play her isn’t that hard and the double jump and extra hp make her the second best charm, divine relic barely beating her out

@DragonKing920

8 ай бұрын

Isn’t divine relic just a superior smoke bomb the gun switching isn’t bad enough to land it below the normal smoke bomb

@DragonKing920

8 ай бұрын

Same with the heart ring divine relic I feel is just better obviously no hate to you opinion

@MrKap

8 ай бұрын

My opinion is that A. You need the DLC and have to go through ALL the steps just to get Divine Relic, which is also taken into account for the list, B. The weapon switching is still very awkward to deal with for On The Ground bosses, and even though it's not a bad downside comparatively speaking, it's still a decent con that you HAVE to get used to, just like Ms. Chalice. C. It's good to understand that unless you're SPECIFICALLY going for an S Rank, all that matters is that you BEAT whatever boss you're fighting, so using Divine Relic is quite unnecessary in that case, which is the exact same opinion I have with Ms. Chalice as well. You can just use Smoke Bomb and have JUST as much success as using Ms. Chalice without having to learn her style of gameplay AND without DLC, AND you can get it immediately at the beginning of the game. With everything taken into account, that's why I ranked everything how it is :)

@Adamrocks76

3 ай бұрын

@@MrKapwrong opinion

Devine relic is S it literally has smoke bomb and whetstone and coffee.What are you smoking

@MrKap

3 ай бұрын

Soooo we're gonna completely ignore that it switches your weapon every time you stop shooting? Not necessary half the time unless it's a plane boss, and in that case it's S tier, but not overall considering everything.

@Adamrocks76

3 ай бұрын

@@MrKap exactly you can have every weapon when you stop shooting plus I got it for myself i agree but its really good so I respect your opinion

@Adamrocks76

3 ай бұрын

@@MrKapyo sorry for being mean and your right I got it now so I’m sorry

:)

Chalice better than cuphead/mugman without smoke bomb imo

@MrKap

8 ай бұрын

Oh for sure! If Cuphead/Mugman didn't have Smoke Bomb, then I would definitely put Ms. Chalice in S Tier.

I actually hate smoke bomb its so overated

@MrKap

4 ай бұрын

There aren't many other main charms to use especially without the DLC, and Smoke Bomb has always been an extremely useful charm to play more mindlessly and with less effort and still achieve everything you need. It's highly regarded for a reason.