Here's what you have wrong... Auto-clutch is a driving aid, auto-blip is actually 2 driving aids, auto-blip AND auto-clutch. So many people don't seem to want to believe this, but it's easy enough to prove just by looking at the pedal indicator in the various shift modes. You can see it even in this video. Order of difficulty most to least- No aids, auto-clutch, auto-blip, automatic

@blownfuse2131

7 жыл бұрын

thankyou

@danielschoolmeester8

7 жыл бұрын

John Stevens you are correct!

@LiamLagan

7 жыл бұрын

Why I racing don't just label them "auto clutch" and "auto clutch and blip" I don't know 😔

@dominichoogendijk

7 жыл бұрын

this is correct also see your footage you see the clutch engage!

@JohnGeorgeHill

7 жыл бұрын

I wonder if this is the John Stevens I've raced with on iRacing? I think what Shaun was trying to get at, was, what is the fastest way to get around? For his part, he picked auto blip, which is what I also use, although many can shift just by heel and toeing. Maybe I've used paddles and shift assists for so long, it's hard for me to go back. But I do trust Shaun when he runs a ton of laps and says, "this has been the fastest way for me."

Great informative video Shaun! I find it very difficult to use paddles and no assists, for some reason my brain won't let me time it right. Short calibrating my clutch and using an H-pattern with no assists is the way I go, so much fun and very fast! Keep up the good work!

@MF_Henri

7 жыл бұрын

Matt Malone Affirmative lord Turkey!

@Neverwinter26

7 жыл бұрын

I have no idea why but I'm exactly the same, just can't get my head around paddles no assists. No assists and H pattern is fine though, I don't seem to have the issue with missed shifts either.

@twobrokenlegs13

7 жыл бұрын

I'm with you Matt, can't imagine driving this car with paddle shifters, or any other way than H-pattern / no assists.

@stacychandler6511

7 жыл бұрын

Same. I can't use clutch and paddles, it's impossible for me. H patten on that car all day with no assists. For me, the game always chooses the right transmission model so I don't have to worry about it.

@deandre1988

7 жыл бұрын

+Dub Chain Exactly

Your honesty is admirable. Nice work

Very good review, easy to understand and its good to compare the different ways irl. Love your channel, hope you can master the downshifts in the future

One of the best iracing videos I have seen. Thank you!

Yup, nice video. I didn't even research the effects of these shifting aids. My viewers and fellow racers in the forums advised me to turn off all driving aids as soon as I dare. It made it much more difficult for me in the beginning, I was lapping at least a second or two slower, but it was worth it in the long run. In about a week of practice I was about as good as with aids, and after another week I became far better, no regrets.

I went from auto clutch to no shifting aids (lifting and shifting up, blipping the throttle down) this week at Barcelona, with the auto clutch my fastest time was 2:02:9 (I had been stuck on that time for quite a while without any improvement,) when I changed to lift and shift my third lap out of the pits was a 2:01:3, my fastest time overall since changing is a 2:00:8, I couldn't believe that I could gain so much laptime by changing the shifting method. A good way to test this is to go to an oval, start from the same exact point on the track and do one lap with each method and you can replicate the lap pretty easily and clearly see the difference.

I'm pretty sure that auto-blip also includes auto clutch. You can verify this by enabling the driving inputs HUD (which shows steering angle + throttle/brake/clutch bar graphs). The difference between auto-blip and auto-clutch is that the game will blip during downshifts only with the former enabled. Thus you can destabilize the car during entry if you don't manually blip with auto-clutch enabled.

@TheEcletickGamer7

7 жыл бұрын

Indeed.

@KennySVG

7 жыл бұрын

Correct

Great video Shaun. I just added a clutch to my pedal set. Sounds like I will be turning the aids off and mastering my race craft to gain those extra tenths. 🙂🏁

This is a extremely good informational video for those starting out in this particular series! Great work.

I just did some testing with no shifting aids. I found that setting up a button as a second clutch make it easier for me. My lap times are not yet faster but I will keep trying.

Some great info here I feel that no shift aids would definitely take some practice but when you commit to learning it I'm sure it would make a world of difference

I'm one of the older iRacers around in our community and what I do as I do not want to have the risks of misshift is: I select most of the times auto blib (which is 2 aids: clutch and blib) and coming out of corners with a 'long' straight ahead I use the clutch to upshift and by that doing fast up-shifts. The down shifts I just do not use the clutch. That gives me the benefit of fast upshifts and no risks of misshifts during downshifts.

Love your championship season on iracing...keep them coming

Man you are the best, in case you don´t know it. This help me a lot, and years ago i´ve done that pvc simrig that you show in a video. i´m still using it. Thanks.

@TheSimpit

Ай бұрын

Great to hear!

Fastest and most satisfying. Also, you get better at it i’m never missing any shift no problem !

Shaun, my one suggestion for you is to shorten the throw of your clutch pedal. This will help your timing with using paddle shifters to up and down shift. You're loosing time between shifts do to the long throw of the clutch pedal. Keep up the good work with your channel!

@sevenstrings7eve

7 жыл бұрын

Yep, always short calibrate your clutch with just a small amount of dead zone at the start. I think setting it somewhere between 5-35% and 5-50% is the ideal range.

@morgunua

7 жыл бұрын

He doesn't use clutch under downshifts at all. Only for the upshifts. But you're right upshifts can be even faster with short-throw clutch. It's also help with clutch kick if you need to have some oversteer midcorner.

Shaun, this will be good to watch you learn and develop. You were left foot braking, and not using the clutch consistently on down shits and shifting through corners, not just up on exit. Right foot braking and heel-toeing might help to reduce the missed shifts. It's tricky to get the hang of. Keep up the good work

In my opinion depends on car. If the car in real life have aids I do the same. If its manual, H-shifter+clutch, and so on. Just as it is. Excellent video!

Love the channel. Learning a lot!

Nice video Shaun. I suggest learning to heel toe as you are learning to drive with no aids. You will see an even larger benefit in faster lap times. Especially in the Mazda. Good luck!

H-pattern / no assists FTW !! Thanks for all the great videos and information Shaun, keep up the great work bud!

I like to use the correct method depending on the car. I still suck in cars that require heel-toe shenanigans but I get better at it each time I try. I found that the classic Porshe RSR in Asseto Corsa is an excellent car to hone these skills in. It absolutely requires you to correctly blip on down shifts or else it will lock up the rear. Just be sure to turn off damage when you start learning or else you will blow up the gearbox after only three turns.

Good video man thanks for responding. Heel and toe is just that. You were downshifting with a blip and then dumping to clutch just after, needs to be done in one motion, using your heel... and toe... :)

Great video. Really helpful

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but to my knowledge, even with auto clutch, optimum shift times come when the throttle is lifted, just like it would be when using a real clutch. I'd imagine that's why the shifts still felt elongated and the car sounds off while shifting with the throttle left in. Am I wrong here?

great video shawn

Thanks Sean. Very thorough. I prefer all manual using heel-toe, but with H-pattern. Can't get my head around doing it with paddles. I would like to request another learning video topic: how to recover from a spin. Help!

@daltonbedore8396

7 жыл бұрын

bbcoltrane good luck on a sim!

Shaun you don't need to blip in the MX5, you can shift it like a normal street car with a manual, you just need to get the timing right. I personally found it hard to get my timing consistent with paddles, with paddles I would often miss shifts but with my H shift I was far more consistent. I would still occasionally miss a shift however it would rarely effect me and a little "defensive driving" can help in those rare situations. Over race length I was always noticeably quicker in the MX5 shifting with my H shifter and no aids.

how is it downshifting without a clutch? rev-matching? that seems like a sure wwy to increase your mis-shifts! need to learn heel-toe ;) just wanted to add its great to make a video series objectively examining your own shortcomings and being willing to put that in feont of an audience for everyones benefit

Mechanical feel through the shifter is essential in timing a shift correctly. It's like driving without a force feedback wheel. So until someone makes a force feedback shifter I'll keep using auto clutch, at least for cars that need them.

From my personal experience heel & toe on the downshifts helps a lot not to be stuck on neutral.

Hi Sean. Interesting to see how auto-blip was working for you. My understanding is that going from Auto-Clutch to Auto-Blip should require you to use the clutch on auto-blip just not having to rev-match the engine. Another interesting observation from your videos is that when you had all aids turned off that you were able to down-shift without using the clutch and just blipping the throttle. I thought you must use the clutch on up and down-shifts with all aids turned off. As for paddle-shifting, from my experience driving is that when using paddles on an h-pattern car it seems like the game expects the shift to take a certain amount of time and will throw you into neutral if you're took quick on the paddle. Thanks for taking the time to analyze the differences.

@Wilburnator

7 жыл бұрын

Auto-blip includes auto-clutch. Shaun is not correct about the order of the 3 levels of aid. Auto-clutch is the mildest aid, auto-blip adds blip+clutch, and automatic is blip+clutch+shift.

@ravynx

7 жыл бұрын

Interesting, good to know, thanks.

so I'm in love with automatic shifting, mainly because of the reproducibility, but then again you have to ask yourself: what's the point of driving in a simulator if you are willingly taking the aids. shouldn't you take all the risks exactly because it's a racing game and just learn all the techniques just because you can..?!

@driver8703

4 жыл бұрын

It mostly depends on time. I prefer to drive mostly GT3/GTE/Prototype cars with paddle shift-clutch only when taking off type cars. If I want to drive Aussie Supercars or a nascar around a road close for a race or two i would use the aids because I don’t really have the time to learn the skill just for some fun type races. I came to this video because full auto is a no go for me and auto clutch wouldn’t let me shift down when I wanted, so now I’m going to try auto blip. If driving these types of cars forced me to learn new skills to drive them and be somewhat competitive then I would much rather spend my limited time in my preference series and totally ignore some cars that can be great fun to drive.

Love this video. Good job, Shaun! I'm one of the guys complaining about the speedshifting racket 😄 But I must say that you make it harder than necessary for yourself with lots of shifting/clutching going on where you don't need it. Especially on the last turn with no aids all sorts of pedal action was going on and I don't have a clue what you were doing there! Also, LFB and clutching don't mix. Too much going on, making things harder for yourself switching back and forth between pedals.. How are you ever going to maintain threshold braking, tapering off the brakes like a pro? Heel/toe all the way, baby! Anyway, looking forward to more videos, without speedshifting! 👏

I would give you ten thumbs up if I could. Great stuff! Answers questoins I have had. Thanks!

What weather conditions are these? I find your times impressive my fastest time is 53.863 with: Temperature: 78° F Wind Speed: N @ 2 MPH Atmosphere: 55 RH, 0% Fog Cover Skies: Partly Cloudy I use H-pattern and heel-toe technique it works the best for me with no aids. Keep up the good work :)

I'm very surprise, the shifting aids was the first thing that I figured out when playing iracing for the first time...

Essentially what you are doing everytime you ham the gas while shifting is power shifting it. Everytime you shift just lift off the gas really quick and back on. sometimes you dont even have to lift all the way out. somewhere between 30-50% and it will shift without bouncing the rev limiter. The engine transition will be a lot smoother and you wont get the spike of power coming out of the corner. you will notice a good .1-2 seconds faster.

Sean all that equipment and no h pattern :) please do yourself a favor and use it. I do it with no aids (i also dont blip the throttle i clutch on downshifts. With the right steering inputs you wont slide)

Great video comparing them, have wondered what the other options do. I find it's much better to clutch and bleep the throttle with your heel while braking on down shifts, makes it very quick and controlled, less missed shifts.

Come on Shawn, you knew it was quicker , it just takes more effort and ability, and yes, it's tough, but boy, what a blast when you do it.

Can someone please clarify on Auto Blip that you have to use the clutch on starting a race. I have not been maybe it's effecting my starts? Seems to work without clutch. Thanks for the video Shaun.

You need to heel toe on no aids. Can be tricky to learn but worth it.

Great vid.

You need to change gears with a Lever, a gearbox, Hopefully one with hydraulics that will kick out the gear lever if you miss the gear. You are not suppose to be sequentially shifting but with clutch for a H-shifter gearbox

I'd suggest using a separate shifter, and not the paddles on the wheel when shifting with a manual clutch. I prefer this because my muscle memory is used to cars with auto cut-off and auto blip using the pedals. And when I use a seperate shifter, my muscle memory is much more used to the proper order of operations.

How did you account for weather/track temperature variance between sessions?

thx for vid greetings from germany

Great video. Currently running my shifting setting in “auto blip” and am having some weird issues which I do not think is normal. I am using my paddle shifters to shift and when I shift up while keeping my foot on the gas, the revs redline as if I were downshifting. Am I missing something here?

@latedriver9019

3 жыл бұрын

lift off the gas when you upshift.

Is normal to use your right foot to throtle and left foot to clutch and break (he did this while driving with no aids)? I never saw that. In my country we use left to clutch and right to the others.

For the MX-5 you need to heel and toe during the downshifts. Otherwise, the risk of missing a gear is too high!

You might have used a longer track to amplify the differences in lap times. :)

I noticed that when you downshift you don't engage the clutch..is that normal

With the guys competing in the global cup to get a ride in the real deal I hope they are all using h pattern and clutch just in case they get through and find there are no paddles on the wheel......

@computiNATEor

7 жыл бұрын

Xbox Falcon Lol, that'd be unfortunate.

@turbokid97

7 жыл бұрын

well thats why i would like a forced setting/hardcore mode/series. for people who actually try, NOT "TRYHARD" your example is perfect, imagine out of the 20 people that win 19 used h pattern no assist. and then the guy who goes to the real race used automatic or aids.... its dumb. There should be series/splits/options especially for competions where these settings should be forced off. HEY LOOK IM "A" LICENSE BUT DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT A STICK SHIFT IS and always drive automatic. (what a racer...then they call you noob)

@f0rdfalc0n46

7 жыл бұрын

Kid Tokay Exactly. How is a sim a sim when it isn't actually simulating ? I guess iracing is trying to allow for those who don't own a h pattern and others take advantage of it. There is a well known KZreadr and real life race driver who I was shocked to see using paddles on the mx5. I know in project cars I could obtains seconds in a lap in the stock car by using paddles alone not to mention the other assists if I had of chose to use them. Sean may not be quicker with the paddles but many are.

@turbokid97

7 жыл бұрын

I agree and its fine to have that if not the field/ players at certain times would be too little. But for the price i feel there should be a series that forces the rules of that actual car. I think they can just make a DIVISION thats more hardcore. I just found out about divisions and how they work in iracing. keep on racing keep on simin

@HieronymousLex

4 жыл бұрын

F0RD FALC0N how is it sim racing if you aren’t locked in vr? How about a league where you have to use direct drive because “come on it’s a simulator it’s supposed to simulate!”. Okay how about if you aren’t using a shaker seat, and bass shakers, and a motion rig you aren’t “really” simming... I don’t understand why this community is so toxic, you wouldn’t expect it to be that way

Why didn't you have to put the clutch in when downshifting through corners on no assist?

i think the best is obtained using AutoClutch and manually blipping (unless you want to go full no aids). Testing the Autoclutch without manually blipping is not a good comparison.

What pedals are u running?

u you should drive it like it was desinged. flappy paddle cars with flappy paddle manual cars with h pattern and etc

@jakesaddo

7 жыл бұрын

What if you didn't own a shifter? Most wheels I have seen on sale have shifters as an optional add on

Hola me podrías enseñar como hacer para que no se vea el volante en la pantalla ? Gracias saludos

why you don't use the clutch when downshifting with heel-tow? then you don't need to hit the revs so precise and you have less problems with the missing gears.

@donblub

6 жыл бұрын

never mind, found part two ;)

I'm confused. What car has paddle shifters and a manual clutch pedal? Other than F1 cars that use a clutch for standing starts I didn't think that type of arrangement existed. If your real life car has paddles then it's a semi-automatic transmission and the clutch pedal is absent. Maybe I'm missing something here.

@JanitorIsBack

7 жыл бұрын

many of the cars in iracing and irl have paddle clutches not just f1. all the gt3, the gte, indy cars. taking racing cars not passenger cars

@EddoWagt

7 жыл бұрын

JanitorIsBack yeah but they don't use a clutch for shifting, just for getting from the line

@JanitorIsBack

7 жыл бұрын

the OP said the other cars don't have a clutch at all (again racing version)

Wait; is auto clutch + auto blip actually faster than just auto clutch ?!

step shit with no aid is hard! even with a lot of practice you will still miss it and that is why is better to use a H shifter for more precise gear selection when using no aid.

may want to redo your video since auto blip you had a fast time of 52.884 12:07. and being that your times for each session were so inconsistent you can't compare avg lap time until you correct that

54sec... pretty good. The best I can do here is a 56.20

One thing, Shaun, that you should take into consideration is the percentage of improvement. You ended up shaving 4 tenth off using no aids on a laptime of just 53 seconds ! Imagine how much time you will gain on longer circuits like Okoyama or Laguna. Chris :)

yes!

auto clutch faster than blip? maybe on this micro track?

is it wrong to use the clutch to down shift then?

@chillinjervisbay2123

4 жыл бұрын

I use clutch up and down . Never miss a gear

does any one understand me when i say once u get into vr its impossible to turn back i mean, triple screen or what ever without vr its like ?.... poor :X

YOU FORGOT ALL ABOUT HILL AND TOE?

why you no heel toe man??!!

I think your understanding of auto blip is wrong. It is auto clutch + auto blip -- you can see on the meter, the clutch bar spikes every time you pull a paddle. Long time since I've driven iracing, but iirc I used to run this mode and I definitely could rev in neutral and jump into first start.

Is this the second time you've made this video or am i going mad?

@LiamLagan

7 жыл бұрын

I remember now you did stick, sequential and paddles last time. Such well made definitive guides, will be really helpful to show new sim racers in the future! Thanks Sean

Just drive the car the way it is in real life. If it's GT3 or formula 1 use auto clutch/throttle blip. If you're driving flat 6 series just auto clutch and do a manual rev match on downshifts. Something like skip barber cars you need to lift for upshifts and rev match for downshifts. If it's h-pattern drive it like an h-pattern and do heel toe.

On average using any auto clutch aids will give you a slower time over a manual clutch - this has been proven time and again.

Iracing need to penalize more the no use of the correct shiftting method for each car, i have seen people shiffting the Nissan GTP ZX-T with paddle shifters and with all aids. Is a simulator no?

@TwistLosi

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah lets penalize people even more that don't have the setup to match the car they are driving, have fun with even smaller grids.

All of the shift aids are terrible. You can get away with them in the MX5 with a tiny engine or in Oval racing where shifting isn't all that important anyway. And maybe also in GT3 with traction control. But in a lot of cars cars there are corners where the aids do something completely wrong. Sometimes it'll burn a few tenths per lap one very lap, but even worse it might make the car underivable by causing snap oversteer during a shift. The correct shifting technique depends on the corner. Aids should be disabled so you can do hard fast shifts most of the time and gentle ones that don't upset the car as required. Sure you'll miss shift sometimes especially learning a new car or track, but that should mostly be limited to practice sessions and you'll get the hang of it by the time you go racing.

Heel-toe shifting completely ignored here

I think I have shifting aids…. I suck at shifting

Seems like no shift aids is only faster in 5 speeds or below. No way you can drive an 8 speed F1 car faster with no shift aids. Doubtful the 6 speed would be faster too!

52.705? I thought this guy said he wasn't an alien? Thats only 0.67% slower than the world record qualifying time

My muscle memory would never let me drive like that "no aid" situation, without heel n toe. Its absolutly cringetastic! Clutching at the Apex, wth... How could it even be a viable option? No one would drive like this in real life.

I never care if one BS aid is better than another, I just use whatever the real car has. For that Mazda, h-pattern and a clutch.

Poor sods like me who don't even have a clutch pedal, we have no option at all.

@CorporateZombi

7 жыл бұрын

You could save up for some Proto simtech PT1 pedals, they are very nice! But you have to catch them when they are in stock!

@bartonez123

7 жыл бұрын

I have some decent Fanatec ones but I took off the clutch to save space (and I mostly drive single seaters that don't have the clutch pedal anyway!). Though I'd love to get some of those crazy pedals, the sim racing hardware on the market is getting crazy good at the moment

people should be using h pattern with the mx5 anyways

Here is a dev's interesting comment about your setup, Mr. Simpit: members.iracing.com/jforum/posts/list/25/3562849.page#10624056

I don't see the point with plain with any aids only cuz if your serious about racing when you jump on a real car you don't have them aids... But sayin that If your only playing for fun n not for real life training... Fair enough

@pilotanimal192

6 жыл бұрын

lol , thats the best joke ever, most of the f1 driving train on rigs , just cos i have a shooting game dont mean im going to join the efing army , does it . i have a car outside does not mean i want to be a racing driver , i got a hair dryer dont mean i want to cut hair . might as well might as well what . and by the way cars do have aid`s on or off. FUN

I understand the favoritism towards auto blip, however in a sim racing environment where ultimate realism is the goal, auto blip seems completely out of place, because a real manual transmission would never be able to handle the abuse that auto blip entails

@Figadas

7 жыл бұрын

Daniel Schoolmeester Sorry but you're wrong, do some research on "Synchronized down shift rev-matching system" developed by Nissan. They have been using on selected GT-R (NISMO) and 370Z for a few years now. So yeah your statement is wrong, there's rev-matching on manual transmission cars. Cheers

@Neverwinter26

7 жыл бұрын

Daniel Schoolmeester I've driven a 370z manual with automatic rev matching. It was a very strange experience.

@danielschoolmeester8

7 жыл бұрын

In this instance, the MX5 doesn't, and I was referring towards up shifting where you would burn out your clutch by leaving the engine at full throttle

@turbokid97

7 жыл бұрын

ton of people in iracing never let go of the pedal... on the mx5 and such. sounds like garbage. Ill stick to siming even if im slower.

@Staki6908

6 жыл бұрын

+1 My camaro has Rev Match too same as Corvette and it's great for tracking. Sure I could heel toe, but why when I can let the car do it just as good for me with no room for error?

Well... you are doing the video title very wrong lol

I have never seen anyone using a sequential transmission with a manual clutch. :D

Manual car needs h-patter shifter. I was surprised to see you using the paddles.

Im glad i have no aids.

"No shift aids" AKA using paddle shifts in a manual H Pattern Car..... Yeah, sure...

If you use assists that a car doesnt havr in real life you don't get the full experience. Why would you do that? Isn't simracing about SIMulating a car? Not trying to bash, I think you are still faster than me in the mx5.

GTFO. I I just tried it and i'm quicker with a H pattern no assists. 52.9 auto blip down to 52.7 no assists. who knew?

IF iRacing was the be all end all Racing Sim which is certainly NEVER will be , It wouldn't even have ANY Aids but be HARD Core, Pure and simple , as for shifting that is subjective and comes down to the actual car model and how well the mathematics were done to replicate the mass and inertia from the rotation of shafts engine and gearbox , ALL of this has a role in the real world and I have found NO sim that actually comes close to my real world racing experiences .

Just be a Real Man, or Woman, and learn to drive fast without any aids, like a real driver.

Anyone using any driver aids is cheating... end of story.