When Pentax moved from CCD to CMOS for example from K10D to K20D there wasn't much any colour difference at all in ISO 100-200 range, very very similar from what i remember of impressions at the time. Not sure if retrospectively something has been noticed that gone unnoticed back then :D Perhaps the formulation of the sensors themselves, the filter dyes, was changed on newer models. Arguably more muted colours in RAW indicates a GOOD thing though: this means that there is a lot more colour gamut available. You can always just punch up the colour saturation but you can't overcome lack of gamut. I also don't think you can just look at the hue and ignore the DR and resulting lightness, as that changes the hue perception. You say "we can just reduce the saturation" but if you had really highly vibrant objects besides less saturated ones, where you're pushing against the gamut limit of the sensor on the more vibrant ones, it would more equal them out, making for a presentation that is less true to life, overall flatter; while when you punch up the saturation you can just go to the limit of your output colour space on the most saturated object and you still have the saturation differences preserved. Though it is to be kept in mind that while some of our monitors have pretty strong gamut, a lot of it gets lost in printing, CMY dyes are not great. So that's the question of ultimate target as well.

@ColtonMatocha

7 ай бұрын

Yeah I agree with this statement. After doing more research and testing. I find that there are much more variables at play than what I discussed in this video. Manufacturer color science being one of the biggest. I also did a better follow-up video to this one, where I compared two Olympus cameras which I think was much more balanced.

Colton, you did an excellent job with this video. I really appreciate the amount of effort you contributed to document these facts. I had a camera sales guy try to convince me I should spend double the amount on a 100mp Phase One CMOS digital back when I already had my mind made up to buy a CCD 80MP Phase One digital back. I tried to educate him but he swore I did not know what I was talking about.. even though I explained to him that I already own and tested CCD 14bit cameras and the Pentax 645D rendered more color information that any of my CMOS sensor cameras (a7rIV & 5ds). I am happy with my IQ 280.

@ColtonMatocha

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! Those are some amazing backs! I hope to play around with some Phase One gear sometime because there just isn't a lot of information on them! I've heard good things about their newer cameras too, but it's hard to beat some of the older gear they put out that still kicks out great images! If I could only find a way to make my Mamiya 645 Pro compatible with digital backs I'd be in heaven! There are definitely more variables to consider and play with. I hope to make more videos exploring these ideas.

Since CMOS and CCD image sensors are ‘color blind’, a filter in front of the sensor allows the sensor to assign color tones to each pixel. so its all the filter and the signal processing and control units aka digic processor.

This was interesting to me as I just picked up an E1. I'm going to do a similar test of my E1 CCD vs an E510 CMOS with same settings and same lens. I appreciate your efforts here so I'm subbed.

@ColtonMatocha

11 ай бұрын

That will be interesting. I think those two will be much closer in color science (my prediction). It will be cool to see what the results are!

@fuzzytalz

8 ай бұрын

I had an E-1 back in the day. Great handling camera, sweet lenses and gorgeous color from the sensor.

I like the idea of not being biased towards features of a new camera. only colors. it's smart.

@ColtonMatocha

Ай бұрын

To me, the colors are most important. But that's just my opinion of course and I respect that other folks may have different needs which may require they prioritize features or something else. Thanks for watching man!

The sensors only record brightness on each pixel. The filters over them determine how well red, green, and blue are separated. The "final" color is determined by software. In theory, if the rgb separations are good, software can produce any color you want anywhere. Some cameras presumably have more effective color separation filters than others.

The CCD in my old Kodak easyshare bridge camera had similarly pleasing colors. In an alternative universe, perhaps Kodak would have specialized in CFA designs and demosaic algos for Sony or something.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yes I agree! It would have been interesting to see how Kodak sensors would have evolved over time!

I have an A7 and I’ve never been entirely happy with the colors it puts out. I can make some edits work by making them more muted but I can get a saturated look that I’ve ever been happy with. B&W look great on the other hand. I’m very interested to try a CCD camera one of these days.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree. Sony colors are not unusable, but they do feel either too muted or too saturated for my taste. They rarely feel like they "catch my eye". Personal opinion of course. The actual cameras they make are pretty darn good. I'll have to check out their new color science.

@joshuahoggard583

7 ай бұрын

I do agree that the original out of camera colors aren't breathe taking, but I love the colors I'm able to edit to with my Sony a7ii over all my canons.

Thank you for this comparison. I like colours to be as attractive as possible O.O.C.. Those Kodak colours are lovely!

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I agree. The RAW files are wonderful to work with!

Ken Rockwell pointed out the benefits of CCD years ago

What we see in raw processing software is either embedded preview JPEGs or colors converted from raw. The conversion matrices depend on the software, and may be quite different from camera makers' intention. The left images say "Embedded Preview" - this seems to suggest these are JPEG previews from the camera instead of processed raw through Lightroom. What about the right images, are they also Embedded Previews? I haven't used ACR for about 10 years but I recall it producing ugly pale orange tones, and only appropriate Camera Profiles make the colors look about right.

@ColtonMatocha

8 ай бұрын

Yeah there are more variables at play. Manufacturers color science probably being one of the biggest!

My thoughts would be more the difference between old Olympus vs more modern Sony. I feel like it's the companies decision on color science. Main reasoning being many companies use Sony sensors while having different colors. Canon being one that makes there own sensors also having very different colors. Still very interesting to me though. Also as someone has already mentioned the lens can change the perceived color as well. Different chemical coatings mainly being the decider in that respect. I wonder if the people making the decisions in colors priorities have changed over a few decades? The old colors do seem more desirable to me as well

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

That's a great point too. I'd like to compare the E500 with a E520 or something that had the CMOS sensor. Then it would be same brand, same line of cameras, but different sensors.

this makes me so excited to shoot on my dx6490 when the battery comes! thanks for the lovely comparison!

@ColtonMatocha

9 ай бұрын

Hey that's exciting! Is this a recent acquisition or something that was tucked away in a closet somewhere?

@segoagogo

9 ай бұрын

recent find at goodwill with no battery, so its a surprise camera 😅 ive had luck finding a few other CCD cameras, but those kodak colors im in love with 😍

@ColtonMatocha

9 ай бұрын

@@segoagogo yeah I've found a few camera treasures at Goodwill and similar places! Luckily batteries are readily available even for obscure finds! You'll have to let me know how it goes!

сине-зеленые и фиолетовые оттенки отличный способ проверить глубину и цветопередачу сенсора . мне нравится ccd 3/4 олимпус , но ещё больше мне нравится по цвету ccd датчики олимпус серии камедиа с сенорами от Сони. Правда , с ИСО там ещё большие проблемы по причине малого сенсора .

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

yes these cameras definitely don't have the best ISO performance. Best to use them in a studio or environments with lots of light!

a doctor: why is your sugar so high? you: I'm a photographer.

@ColtonMatocha

Ай бұрын

Dude seriously hahaha. My sugar levels are too damn high!

From what I've found, there's a tier of having to post process to achieve what you want in terms of color saturation (that depends on your desired taste, it's all subjective). My CCD equipment is generally more saturated and closer to the general desired look, next my CMOS/MFT Olympus gear is pretty close tbh (a lot of times just hitting auto while sampling the subject area is enough for most tweaks for that general purpose desired look), and then lastly my foveon cameras require a lot of finese to achieve their potential (but when you do, you get great contrast/details that swing way above similarly sized sensors... if you have good enough light and glass to go with it, which for Sigma isn't that hard glass wise). I would take my Olympus E-M5.ii or iii over the foveon gear in all situations aside from studio lighting. Straight out of camera Olympus colors are generally good enough to use for most personal stuff, so shooting jpeg+raw for backup while having whatever profile you want can handle most situations. My newest foveon is a SD Quattro H, which I would generally choose over any other body short my Pentax 645z for studio work with controlled lighting. That said, I've used a fp L a few times in studio and liked the CMOS results out of that with less work. My dream camera right now is a cut d own quattro body on l-mount with an aps-c sized version of the fp L cmos sensor package, ibis, and the same menu system/updated screen of the fp (L) bodies but with tilting. Sigma is releasing a lot of aps-c l-mount lenses, either they know Leica will go back on their word a second time and revive the TL/CL, or they're going to release an aps-c body for l-mount (hopefully cmos, I love foveon's finished results, I don't love how much you have to baby it).

@ColtonMatocha

8 ай бұрын

In further testing, I found that my Olympus E-500 (CCD) and my Olympus OM-D E-M10 III (CMOS) had extremely similar results straight from RAW images. That video is up on my channel as well. The conclusions of that is that there are far more variables at play than just the sensor type. In fact, It leads me to believe that manufacturer color science has more impact over the output than the sensor being used in the camera. A lot more can be tested on this subject!

I'm a big fan of the Kodak sensor but I'd be intrigued to see it up against a Foveon sensor

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

I've heard a lot of good and bad about the Foveon sensor. Mainly from some other great YT channels. I'd be interested to shoot a Foveon sensor just in general, but also curious to see how it compares color-wise to this Kodak sensor. Do you have any recommendations of cameras that are comparable to the E500 with a Foveon?

@davidw2454

Жыл бұрын

A good one might be the Sigma DP2 Merrill it’s a fixed lens point and shoot type. Heard very good things about it from the Sigma Fan base

@fthprodphoto-video5357

Жыл бұрын

I did a portrait comparison with a 10mp CCD sensor, 50mm prime lens shot at F2 on my apsc Nikon VS my Sigma Dp3 Quattro. The Quattro needs some PP to get the WB right but looks richer in terms of details and colors but is less color accurate. The CCD files looks gorgeous with some minor adjustments

@Chejov1214

10 ай бұрын

Hi there , yes pleas do it if u can/have the chance… I never own a sony camera and I was shocked by seeing this comparison,…. Maybe would be interesting to throw in a canon camera? i read many times that Canon has a warm look too. (More red-ish i think ?)..

Thanks for confirming that Kodak sensor rocks!!!

@ColtonMatocha

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Yea, nice , I am also shooting OLy E400 and Nikon D200 CCD's. Sadly I traded on ,my Phase one P25 digital back ,for Hasselblad. I just wish you had a portrait, for skin tones.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

I've wanted an E400 big time, but they never sold them here in the states 😭. I'm definitely planning to do another one of these and I think it's a great suggestion to include some portraits!

Your tests validated the rumors that convinced me to aquire an Oly E500 with some backup, (for when it breaks (there is no repair options)). That said, and I don’t know the answer to this question, are the Sony any Olympus raw file formats the same?One is a .ORF an .ARW Wouldn’t it have been better to compare .JPG files since that is/should be a standard. In all cases the Sony sensor looks under exposed. I wonder if using a gray card to set WB and exposure vs just comparing setting values. There are lots of variables here, thanks for attempting to solve the rumors👍

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yes I agree, there are a lot of variables here and maybe no one can prove it 100% one way or another. I'm glad you still found it helpful though! I'm definitely in love with the way the images out of the E500 look!

The fact that the images appear more muted with CMOS is due to its higher dynamics. The phenomenon already existed with the SUPER CCDs from Fuji. At high dynamics, the images appeared duller, but the transitions were definitely better than with normal sensors. I see the same thing with my GH3, if I want to preserve the transitions, then the images don't appear so brilliant.

@ColtonMatocha

2 ай бұрын

That sounds reasonable. I think Manufacturer color science plays the biggest part. I did a comparison between two Olympus cameras. One CCD and one CMOS. They came out nearly identical in terms of color.

Would have been a more accurate test if shot though the same lens.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Well since we're just looking at the colors we don't really need the same glass. We just need the same pov. Both lens produce the same 70mm full frame equivalent!

@alfatemycats

Жыл бұрын

​@@ColtonMatocha lenses will definitely cause color shift, but obviously it's tricky to adapt modern lenses to 4/3 bodies.

@ericrodrigues9338

9 ай бұрын

​@@ColtonMatocha I use primarily vintage lenses because of the color profile, everything in the lens can change the color, the amount of groups, the glass used, the design, the coatings and even the focal length. People go mad over Leica lenses for a reason

@ericrodrigues9338

9 ай бұрын

Sure the effect won't be as noticeable if you don't know what you looking for, but it's there. As I said I love using thorium oxide lenses because it gives me a more vivid palette to work with. If you don't mind having to focus manually I highly recommend buying vintage lenses

@ericrodrigues9338

9 ай бұрын

​@@alfatemycats is not that hard, just get a m43 lens and two adaptors, crop it on the Sony and you will have the same picture

Olympus has the best colors for me, even their cmos stuff. Pentax is also pleasing. I love sony and thats my brand but still

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I love the Sony equipment, but I've been increasingly disappointed with the image output. Very curious to try out Pentax!

This should be more popular for how sensors are a hot topic for sizes! Can you compare the Fujifilm’s X-Trans vs the Kodak and/or the Sony?

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yes I totally agree! This was really an eye opener! It would be cool to compare the X-Trans with the Kodak! I've always been curious about that sensor, but never personally used it!

@henryhuynh6924

Жыл бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha Try renting it! They say the earlier X-trans sensors were the closest to Kodak in their way vs the newest ones as of late

Hi Colton, what colour profile did you select in Lightroom: camera profile or Adobe Standard ? If the colours differ with Adobe standard applied then there should be indeed a difference between the sensors

@ColtonMatocha

11 ай бұрын

They were both using the same adobe profile. However, after doing this test, I think color science from the manufacturer also comes into play. But that still means that the Sony colors in my opinion underperformed the Olympus. That's personal opinion of course 😄

@anthonysikorski4100

11 ай бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha That's interesting, I just ask myself if it is related to the sensor itself or the programming. I could imagine that 15 years ago tastes were different so camera manufacturers processed images differently.

Well that was an interesting video. You have helped me a lot - a simple idea for controlled setup to compare sensors. Funnily enough, I will be replicating this process myself, but this time on all CCD sensors. I have the Olympus e300 which I have already noted the beautiful colours, but also had a great time with the Pentax *istD. I now want to see if there is much difference between the *istD, the K-100D Super and Samsung GX-10 (Pentax K-10D). I am sure that my son will be glad to help eat the sweets.

@ColtonMatocha

7 ай бұрын

Yeah I also did a comparison between the Olympus Omd E-m10 iii and the Olympus E-500 which was very interesting as far as the results were concerned!

@achaycock

7 ай бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha colour me intrigued! I also have the Olympus OM-D E-M1 mk1 which I use a great deal (Olympus and Pentax seem to gel with me) and I'd very much like to see how they compare. More tests to come up!

@ColtonMatocha

7 ай бұрын

@@achaycock Yeah I have to say that the Olympus color science is just absolutely great! They've really done a wonderful job with it, and the results seem to hold across multiple sensor types!

13:22 this is exactly the problem with every cmos sensor that came out since 2008-2010. People were complaining a lot about bad blue skies that looked magenta/purple and skin tones that were totally wrong, to the point that the skin details / textures were impossible to get back even after desaturating the orange-red skintones. Color separation and accuracy is way better on CCD sensors straight out of the camera. and you mention resolution but agains a 10mp CCD sensor will output only sharp pixels edge to edge, so it’s very comparable to a 18mp-20mp cmos sensor when zoomed in. (I tried it on photoshop and it was obvious)

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

That's a great callout! I was wondering why the color could be so wrong when all the white balances had been set correctly! I've noticed the colors being my most pain-point on modern sony cameras and folks will say you can just fix it in post but it's not as easy as they make it sound.

@fthprodphoto-video5357

Жыл бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha the color accuracy and separation helps bringing a sharper picture and details all together. What fascinates me about the ccd files is that they look very beautiful overall, the reflection of Mountains/trees or buildings in the water look like brush painted. When I photograph my kids under the right good lighting conditions, the color of their eyes look very bright and well defined, and the textures are incredible. On the other hand The cmos files of my more modern cameras (D780, D500) are better than the ones on my older cmos cameras (D700, D300) but still lack this « color brightness » of CCD. The only downside of CCD is that the files will degrade quickly in low light and above 400 iso.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

@@fthprodphoto-video5357 that's true. I often wonder though what progress could have been made in terms of iso and shooting speeds on CCD sensors if manufacturers had continued R&D for these sensors. Cmos have some benefits but not a perfect replacement for CCD

It would be interesting to compare the CCD with an early CMOS sensor, like the one on Canon 5D

@ColtonMatocha

3 ай бұрын

I do have another comparison between two Olympus cameras. One CCD and one CMOS. I think its a more even comparison

I did the same conclusions) I have modern Sony cameras but also have small ccd collection) I love to shoot on my old ccd cameras for bright colorful scenes. I use Kodak Pro Back 645, Phase One P45+, Olympus E1 and Fuji S5pro)

@ColtonMatocha

6 ай бұрын

Oooo you have me jealous about those backs! I've always wished I could rig up my Mamiya 645 Pro to accept a digital back! What camera are you using the backs with?

@serge77777

6 ай бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha Sorry;) I use Mamiya 645 afd2 with these backs. I’ve also tried Mamiya ZD back, but I don’t like it and sold it

@ColtonMatocha

6 ай бұрын

@@serge77777 That's a great camera! Do the backs require a tethered connection? Or do they store images in the backs?

Also do it again with a more modern canon against the old Kodak senor. Would be another interesting comparison imo. Would watch

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yeah! I used to shoot Canon when I first started photography many years ago, but switched over to Sony when the original A7 came out. Since then I've wondered about Canons color science vs Sony. Would make for an interesting comparison to do Canon vs Kodak!

Raw converters do a fair amount of behind-the-scenes alchemy during demosaicing and the results aren’t even-handed brand-to-brand or even camera-to-camera. Thus, the only way to remove that variable is to compare in-camera JPEGs with custom white balance set by grey card and exposure based on histogram rather than camera settings.

@ColtonMatocha

8 ай бұрын

Yes, I agree. I'll probably revisit this again. But I believe manufacturers own color science probably plays the biggest role!

Is there picture profile been set for the Sony camera?

@ColtonMatocha

8 ай бұрын

No picture profile is being used

I work on creating some simular content, been using Fuji s5 super ccd,. and are now working on testing a nikon D200 with an regular ccd. it seams like many cmos have issues with magenta. Sony however was infamous for the magenta cast, witch your test shows, this was an issue with sky's and skintones. So you picked the worst cmos hehe.. might have been an issue with the early sony Bsi sensors. Some of the accurate sensors are cmos found in dinar digital backs. The have sensors speceficly made for shooting art and museum objects, but alos using a multi shor technology that provides a more depth and acurent colors. when shooting multi shot each pixel is captured by every primary color makes a huge difference! But one of the best colors I ever seen from "normal" cameras comes from Nikon D700 a cmos made by Panasonic. And Fujifilm with Sony made X-trans sensors. a lot goes to the prosessor of the camera when it comes to colors rather then the sensor. As well as when gama curve is applied in the raw developer. Enjoyable video gave me some insperation for my upcoming video where I will test all Fuji x-trans se sirs against each other

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

That's great insight! I'm glad you found the video helpful! I recently performed another test between two Olympus cameras. One with a CCD sensor and one with a CMOS sensor! The results were surprising to me!

@Kim_Alexander

Жыл бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha cool going to take a look at that. Ccd sensors reminds me alitle bit of shooting with slide film where the margin of error Is very small. we often used slide film in the studio back in the days and negative color film on location or in situations where we needed a bigger flexibility..

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

@@Kim_Alexander Yeah! If you do, please let me know your feedback! Yeah slide film is so beautiful, but definitely leaves very little room for mistakes!

can you adjust this in sony camera shooting jpeg? putting a profile with more saturation, a little bit contrast and warm?? 🤔

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

If you're shooting jpeg you can, but also there are preconfigured options to adjust RAW files too. I wouldn't say this is a great replacement for proper color science though. If the colors are poor or inaccurate then turning up the saturation just makes it inaccurate in "All Caps" 🤣

@guilherme0stevan

Жыл бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha wooow… you blow my mind man! 😂😂 we are increasing the mistake doing this… is not so simple 🤔

I have 2 Nikon cameras, a 10.6 megapixel CCD D40x and a 24 mpxl CMOS D7200. The 7200 can produce amazing images but the little D40 results look like my old Kodachrome prints. The colors are amazing and I only paid $40 USD for it. The 7200 is the superior camera but I always grab the D40x for daily use.

@ColtonMatocha

3 ай бұрын

I feel the same way about my Olympus E500 and Pentax 645D!

interesting, Lv'it, thx p.s. it'd be lovely to see how colours are rendered by nikon's ccd sensor (d200, d80 n d60) cheers

@ColtonMatocha

10 ай бұрын

I've been hunting for a D40 or D60 at the right price for a while now! One of these days! Thanks for checking out the video!

It would be interesting to compare sony's newer c mos sensor vs old sony ccd sensor camera like A200 or 300...

@ColtonMatocha

4 ай бұрын

Yeah I agree. A more fair comparison too since manufacturers color science might not be as much of a factor.

Excellent review and comparison. My first digital camera was a 2.1 mega pixel Kodak Dc5000. The colour were always amazing! Still works today! Is there a specific Kodak CCD sensor that looks the best? I see some cameras have a sticker saying Kodak Color Science I grew up using slide film, so I have a bias toward reversal film look. Thanks for sharing!

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for checking it out! I'm glad you enjoyed the video! I really like the lool of the Kodak sensor in the E-500. Some people call it the Kodachrome sensor for whatever that's worth. The Leica M8 and various pentax, canon, nikon, and hassleblad cameras had a Kodak sensor. You can use Chat GPT to get some model numbers if you'd like to dig in a bit deeper!

@FirePhoenixAudio

Жыл бұрын

The Kodak DCS Pro Back 645 and the Leica M8 CCD Kodak sensors were actually made to replicate the look of Kodachrome and that's where the Kodachrome myth comes from.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

@@FirePhoenixAudio I've always wanted to try one of the digital backs and slap it on a Mamiya or Hasselblad.

@FirePhoenixAudio

Жыл бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha Same but got tired of waiting for a good functional 645 back and just bought a Leica M8 instead. It's extremely similar to Kodachrome 25.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

@@FirePhoenixAudio yes and plus it's expensive to get the body, lens, and back for those systems. I suppose an M8 isn't really a budget option either 😅. I've been eying an H3D with the Kodak 39mp sensor back.

very interesting to see how much older digicams have a fantastic photographic potential....the rest is technical Marketing.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Older cameras rule!

I want to see a sony ccd camera compared to this sony cmos. I was never impressed with sony ccd cameras that i was shown but canon olympus and nikon pleased my eyes

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that could be a cool comparison, I'd also love to compare an Olympus CCD and an Olympus CMOS.

@realamericannegro977

Жыл бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha olympus has a cheap mirrorless that went up in price but still cheap. All the cmos olympus i saw can rival ccd in some cases but an e1 still looks better to me

I think since youre working with RAW files you can make default camera profile with colorcard adjustment and have saturation level to your linking. Its a shame its no detailed option to have this to jpegs straight in sony. Btw sony Raw implementation in lightroom is awfull default custom picture profile is a must

I wish they made CCD sensor with modern technology.

@ColtonMatocha

8 ай бұрын

It would have been interesting to see where further R&D would have taken it. Interesting to also consider future sensor technology!

I’m lucky enough to own three cameras and the only one with a CCD sensor (Nikon D200) easily produces the nicest files (to me at least).. CMOS has its place but to me CCD wins hands down.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yeah for my own artistic projects I'm either using the Mamiya 645 pro or the Olympus E-500. But for the paid gigs and contracts I shoot usually require a more modern camera.

CCD is better for overall image quality. CMOS is better for faster speed, less expensive manufacture, less digital noise at high ISO, and more efficient battery use. As for color ... it is not actually dependent directly upon the image sensor.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yeah all of that is true. I'm planning to repeat this test with one of the later E-500 series cameras that switched over to a CMOS sensor. That way the comparison will be more accurate because it will be the same brand and same series of camera!

@scotthullinger4684

Жыл бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha - I only wish my monitor were good enough, and close enough to an ideal calibration in order to distinguish the differences in your (hopefully soon) upcoming tests . . .

Sony’s color science logic is that there’s simple no color science, leaving the max capacity for post editing. But that is super annoying when you just want to go out and take some shots without any editing or post production involved.

@GlaciaDay

Жыл бұрын

Also besides controlling exposure settings, you should probably do white balance manually as well since Sony’s auto white balance are complete trash. I had A7M3 before, shot some timelapse sunset scene at the beach, even shot ended up in different colors due to auto WB issue.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it certainly feels that way. For me, rather than giving me the feeling of full control over the photo, it just makes it feel like I have to do way more work for each image.

I totally agree with the opinion that CCD sensors are sharper and more accurate than CMOS sensors. definitely sharper and more accurate

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Both sensor types have their advantages for sure! It would be interesting to see where CCD sensors would be today if they had continued to do research and development on them!

I would very much like to see a comparison between the Olympus E-1(Kodak KAF.-5101CE 4/3rds CCD sensor), the Olympus E-410(Kodak KAI-10100 4/3rds CCD sensor) and the Olympus E-300(or E-500, they both have the Kodak KAF-8300CE 4/3rds CCD sensor). The E-1 is supposed to have a "superior" color rendition than most cameras, both old and new. How about that?

@ColtonMatocha

10 ай бұрын

Yeah that would be fun to compare! The E-1 is such a fan favorite. I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for an E-1 at a good price! Thank you for the suggestion!

@JanLauritzen

10 ай бұрын

Hi, thanks! Ebay is currently being "flooded" with used E-1 dslr cameras with fair prices. I have three of them, one has broken pins for the CF-card, the other two work, one I am equipping with a Thermo-Electric Cooling to be used for astrophotography. It is a heavy, but great solid camera. Worth checking Ebay out for a used one.

@ColtonMatocha

10 ай бұрын

@@JanLauritzen Thank you for the tip! I'll check Ebay and see where the prices are! I also have a few other sites I use that take a bit of patience but usually result in the lowest prices aside from finding one in a family members junk closet 🤣. I wish I could find an E-400 for a fair price, but those seem to be premium price only, and since they were not made for sale in the US also very costly shipping-wise. 😢

@JanLauritzen

10 ай бұрын

​@@ColtonMatocha Hi, you are welcome. As far as I can see, the specs for the E-400 is somewhat the same as E-410. Perhaps an E-410 is easier to aquire? I own a E-410 and the E-300 also, that is why I am so interested in seing a comparison, but I do not have the overall experience yet to make such comparisons...I lack some knowledge regarding this as I am new to this. The good thing is that the lenses for the 4/3rds Olympus CCD cameras are interchangeable, so a fair comparison should be quite easy....

@ColtonMatocha

10 ай бұрын

@@JanLauritzen so the E-400 is special in that it was the last Kodak CCD sensor that Olympus used in these cameras and it also is 10 megapixel versus the 8 mp Kodak CCD in the e-300 and e-500. So basically the last and largest Kodak sensor in the lineup. Other than that there isn't anything else too special about it. Olympus was fairly consistent in their color science so I wouldn't expect much difference between the 400 and 410 from the sensor alone.

This is really interesting. I was very disappointed when I first watched this last night as I have a Sony A7iii that I just bought a few months ago. Today I did my own test. I put the camera in manual and iso was in auto. I also shot in RAW. After I took a picture, I immediately compared it to the subject. It was always very, very similar. No muted colors, no purple that was supposed to be blue. I didn’t compare it to Lightroom, because I didn’t want to factor in a computer monitor. Just subject versus the camera display. Know what I mean?

@ColtonMatocha

5 ай бұрын

For sure. I still shoot my A7iii for all my paid work and it's a phenomenal camera. I think it's under certain conditions where I find an issue. But it's also up to personal preference. Definitely don't second guess that camera! I'll be keeping mine for many more years. I just find it helpful to know it's strengths and weaknesses so that I can get the very best out of it!

@lenzflyfishing

5 ай бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha yeah, great imaging from that sensor, so smooth. After messing around I can definitely see different results with different settings. More experimentation is needed though so I can really get a good prediction as to what it’s going to do.

What color profiles have you used while performing these tests?

@sheldonspock5566

Жыл бұрын

he used adobe's raw converter. so that's a big no-no. Manufacturer's color science is most of the times only rightly interpreted by their own post-processing software. In this case Olympus Workspace and whatever Sony's is.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Picture profile was turned off and any color profile set to neutral.

@pawelbrzozowski3899

Жыл бұрын

​@@ColtonMatocha Yeah so that is really not scientific at all. Camera matching profiles should be used or a dedicated software. You have tested how LR is interpreting RAW files using one of it's default profiles, that is all.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

@@pawelbrzozowski3899 well there is certainly room for improvement then and perhaps a revisit of this test in the future! But worth noting, the E500 does not have picture profiles like that which exists on Sony cameras. There are only picture modes which were set the same on both cameras.

@sheldonspock5566

Жыл бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha that bears little relevance to the fact that adobe's raw converter interprets the files as it pleases. Have you not noticed how different the embedded jpeg previewable in LR's library module is with regard to the develop module? Anyway I appreciate you using this camera. Keep at it!

I made a bid on an e500 on ebay. We'll see if I win. I'm interested in comparing it with my fujifilm cameras and my 5D classic.

@ColtonMatocha

7 ай бұрын

Man I love the E500! I'll keep my fingers crossed! You can also find those on FB market place from time to time as well!

@normanq1206

7 ай бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha Just got the e500. Played around with it for a few minutes. So far, I think the 5D classic is much easier to use and has more intuitive controls. I haven't looked at the images on a PC yet. Uses CF card. Images don't look too good on the LCD screen. Seems not very good in low-light, but it could be coz it just came with the 14-45 kit lens. My 5D has the 50mm f1.8. Will need to do some test shots tomorrow in bright light, and need to see the images on a monitor. Can't judge the colors just based off what's on the LCD.

i like kodak colors better❤

I hsave a E1 with the ccd and an E3 with the cmos, the colours are about the same on both cameras,

@ColtonMatocha

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, I did a later video on Olympus specifically comparing an old CCD to CMOS and they were pretty close. Olympus has great color science.

@vin424242

9 ай бұрын

Will have a look,thankyou@@ColtonMatocha

Interesting test, I'd like to see more. But not against a Sony camera, their color science is just bad.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yeah true! I love my sony but this hurt to see. It would be cool to test this against an olympus cmos sensor camera as another viewer recommended!

@realamericannegro977

Жыл бұрын

I use an a6000 with the minolta af zoom lenses and the colors are good to me but ofcourse Olympus has the best colors

I have a severe case of GAS. Among all my cameras, my venerable Sony A7 has the worst colours, especially under artificial lights or worse under several types of lights. The auto WB is pathetic. Years ago, I bought an Olympus E-400 (last 10 Mp CCD sensor DSLR, Olympus switched to CMOS afterwards) and compared it to my modern OM-D E-M1 / E-M5. In day lights, colours are a bit different (not necessarily better). IIRC the sky was more red with the E-400 and more green on the OM-D. However, when I processed the OM-D raw files under DxO Filmpack and generated an image with the E-410 colours (which was a CMOS DSLR), I got the same colour as the E-400. Maybe the old Bayer matrix had different filters, but I suspect that software processing is the main cause of the differences. My 2 cents

@ColtonMatocha

3 ай бұрын

I love a good 2 cents! Thanks for sharing! I totally agree, I conducted another test with two Olympus cameras (one CCD and one CMOS) and found that the colors were very similar. My conclusion is that while there are many factors that contribute, the manufacturers color science is probably the defining variable. My test was with the E-500 and the EM10 III. How do you like that E-400? I was always curious about that one.

@michela5238

3 ай бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha I did not use the E-400 much. Just for this test. It is a cute small camera, but I already have smaller cameras with the Panasonic GM1 or GM5. Also 4/3 DSLR lenses are bigger than they M4/3 equivalents. The viewfinder is decent but smaller than what I got on old 35 mm SLR (like my Olympus OM-1). So far, I did not find more beautiful colours than the Sigma SD Quattro in "Standard" profile. I tried reproduce them by generating an ICC or DCP profile and using it with DxO Photolab, starting from some Olympus raw file. The result was a total failure with "psychedelic" colours. Although I used a cheap colour chart for my experiments, I guess that the process was not too bad as I got good results if I replaced the Sigma with the Sony A7. I suspect that Sigma raw processing software (SPP) cheats a bit, as the "Neutral" profile is closer to what I see. The "Standard" profile is nicer but invents colours, the result is often surprising but very good.

saturation and contrast will do it, and sony always had a blue/magenta color shift, the proper comparison should be with FF nikon or a fuji where all these old sensors will be humiliated :D the magic of CCD was at the time when CMOS sensors sucked

@ColtonMatocha

9 ай бұрын

My comparison between the older CCD olympus and a more modern CMOS olympus showed that the colors were very close. So I think a large part boils down to manufacture color science too! That or I just have an eye for Olympus colors 🤣

@Moonrakerd

9 ай бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha I know what you mean, there is very famous thread about leica m9 vs leica m240 comparison where forum snobs couldn't work out where is CCD and where is CMOS on a blind test :D

The video and the paper look closer to the Sony. Is the video using Sony

@ColtonMatocha

8 ай бұрын

Yes the video was also shot with the Sony

The green Haribo gummibears from germany are harder but have less color saturation than the Haribo gummibears from the US. So take the picture from the US bears with Cmos and photograph the german ones with CCD than you became exactly the same results! Sorry you can't test it out because you don't have the german version, but believe I have tested bouth! 😆 ....Nice, serious channel, know i will come back, believe me! 👍👍👍👍🙋🏻‍♂️+🥇

@ColtonMatocha

4 ай бұрын

The German bears are even harder?! That's so wild to me because they already seem so hard! I went to Germany some years ago to visit friends, but I don't remember eating any Haribo candy. Have you ever put Haribo gummibears into ice cream? They become solid rocks 🤣

You could compare the Sony Alpha 350 the Nikon D7000. The Sony is 14mp CCD and the Nikon is 16mp CMOS.

@ColtonMatocha

6 ай бұрын

I did do a comparison between an Olympus E500 (CCD) and an Olympus Omd Em10 iii (CMOS). By keeping it within the same brand, we limited the effect of manufacturers color science The results were surprising.

@413TomaccoRoad

6 ай бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha Did you do a video? I don't see one on your channel.

@ColtonMatocha

6 ай бұрын

@@413TomaccoRoad Yes I did make one! The title is "which affects color more..." I'm not sure how well links work in the comments. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZKxrmdWJm9HfgrQ.html

sony has always had a green tinge, you should try with canon

@ColtonMatocha

3 ай бұрын

Yeah would love to compare with a Canon!

Sony/Nikon blues can be strange. I think that's why Canon has become so dominant.

@ColtonMatocha

6 ай бұрын

Yeah the color science on the Sony was definitely not accurate in this. I've noticed that same issue in other situations too.

I havs a lumix PNS CCD camera and sony nex camera. They have exacly the same color because the lumix have sony CCD sensor I guess? I think the color depends on the company they adjust the color I guess. It not CCD or cmos tech it seft. Dont like the YTber said about sony color I think It's fine. After take some roll of film. WB maybe cause the problem?I always keep WB at 5400k

@ColtonMatocha

11 ай бұрын

In my experience, Sony colors are not the best BUT that doesn't mean they're bad. Just my opinion. I like the Olympus colors better but I still use Sony for client work and video. In this day and age, pretty much all cameras are fine! Thanks for watching!

You compare 2 different companies cameras. Maybe the camera brands decide colors, too. Maybe you can get a Nikon D80 (with Sony CCD ?) and another Nikon CMOS camera, like D7000, to compare. Thank you.

@ColtonMatocha

3 ай бұрын

Yeah that's a good point! I actually re-did this test in another video on my channel using an Olympus E500 (CCD) and an Olympus Em10 iii (CMOS)

I think the Sony colours are just awful, I would like to see you compare a modern Nikon camera with the Olympus.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yes that would be exciting! I've never shot Nikon but lately I've been very intrigued by their mirrorless cameras. I also have a friend who shoots Nikon and her images are very beautiful.

This is the reason I don't have sony, even their cinema line. I just don't like the color science they produce. I would love to see a comparison with Canon and Fujifilm, as well.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I was really surprised to see just how big the difference was!

So, with all of the new AI software to fill in pixels, enhance resolution and even fix blurry pictures, why wouldn't the E500 be like the perfect camera combined with these quick software fixes? Technology seems to be moving so fast, it is difficult to tell what the original photograph actually looked like. Gone are the days of film when you at least new if the shot was clear or not.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Hey that's a really good question! I would definitely be interested in checking out how AI could adjust the RAW files from the E-500. I haven't messed around with any of the AI stuff, but it would certainly be interesting to see what the end result would look like!

@photo1416

Жыл бұрын

​@@ColtonMatochaif you use the settings of the enhancement program correctly and sparingly, then you can really achieve a feeling of greater clarity and sharpness. if, for example, an 8mp image is initially of high quality, then it is quite possible to bring it up to 5000px along the long side

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

@@photo1416 That's great! Do you have any recommended AI enhancement software?

@photo1416

Жыл бұрын

​​@@ColtonMatocha advise you to try the Topaz gigapixel. just don't forget the settings. The program is not built only on interpolation. You have an excellent approach, rarely anyone does such visual tests in comparison, they are mostly limited only by their opinion.🙏✌️

My first digital SLR was the Kodak DCS-315 in 1999 and man was that camera terrible...haha

@ColtonMatocha

3 ай бұрын

Hahaha! 🤣

@ravholly

3 ай бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha 2001 I got the Nikon D1 and that camera changed my life and career!

@ColtonMatocha

3 ай бұрын

@@ravholly I've read that that was a revolutionary camera for Nikon!

@ravholly

3 ай бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha it was I was shooting the Dallas Cowboys for the Ft Worth Star Telegram and all the Sports Illustrated sideline photographers had that camera so I bit the bullet and paid the $5500 to buy it even though I’d jst bought the Kodak DCS-315 for $3500 less than two years before. The Kodak even with a Nikkor 24-70 f2.8 was just terrible.

I love the saturated CCD colors.. too bad CMOS won out in the industry

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

CMOS certainly has some advantages over CCD. ISO performance, and cost being two of them. But CCD had advantages too in image quality. It would be interesting to have seen what CCD sensors could have become had companies continued R&D.

For me, the obsession over colours straight out of camera is not worth it at all. I always do some tweaking in post-production with my work, and it's possible to just apply basic conversion LUT in a matter of seconds on all of the material in Lightroom. Why would I want to choose the inferior sensor when I can replicate it 1 to 1 on CMOS and no living soul would ever see the difference?

@ColtonMatocha

6 ай бұрын

That's a great point too and in this case I think all opinions on this subject are valid. Everyone wants something different and that's great! I certainly edit all my photos and there is a great opportunity to be creative with edits, but I also can see the value in a more film-like approach to not editing.

The test was a great idea, but I don't know how representative it is to what you're trying to prove. Your approach - keeping as many things comparable and constant - was good, but still has some issues. Manufacturer color science bias is not taken into account. You are not comparing CCD versus CMOS, you are comparing Olympus color science on a CCD versus Sony color science on a CMOS sensor. The better way to look at this would be to test the E-500 against something like the E-520 or E-620, using the same Olympus color profiles in both cameras, based on Olympus color science originating from the same product generation, using the same lens on both cameras. The takeaway here for me is that Sony color science is lacking - but that is common knowledge.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

We do the best we can 🤣. But yeah that's a good point! Definitely worth calling out. Perhaps in the future I can get a hold of an Olympus CMOS like the one you mentioned and repeat the test! It would be very interesting to see the results!

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

@@weisserth haha true. Plus I keep eating all the candy and having to repurchase it. Probably can't eat the E-520! 🤣

the test is inconclusive. using CCD doesn’t necessarily guarantee to more accurate/pleasing colors …it’s still down to the color science…much of the credit here goes to Kodak designing the sensor since they are an authority on color science…if they still design sensors they would be equally as good wthCMOS technology. also, Olympus has always had top notch color science and with CMOS sensor it will pretty much have it edging out the Sony…Sony colors IMO never that good out of the box until generation 4 of its A7 cameras. different cameras using the exact same sensor will yield different results with one being better than another …this is why for the same MF sensor Hasselblad yields better colors than Fuji. Lastly, it’s not clear to me how you set the white balance and you should have calibrated the sensors with Lightroom with a Color Checker card. if you did that the results between the two aren’t that far different.

@ColtonMatocha

8 ай бұрын

I agree! There are variables, but color science makes the biggest difference, or similarity between cameras/sensors. I later did a comparison between two Olympus cameras CCD and modern CMOS and found the results to be very similar!

I have done a lot of research and can say the "color theory" does not hold up in the hands of an experienced photographer using modern software. I was working on my own comparison video between a Nikon D200 and D300 (the closest CCD vs CMOS I can find) and can say WAY more color and vibrance comes from camera settings and photoshop tweeks than one would think. Infact in camera "vivid color" settings give the CMOS a color profile most people would prefer. On a side note neither truly look "film like" to my eye... but that is anothr complicated argumet on its own.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

There is definitely seemingly unlimited control and possibilities when talking about editors and photoshop. I think "film-like" to me, means that the images (color-wise) already look "right" and don't need to be edited to look pleasing. I also realize that is not the common use for that term.

@andrewsmithphoto

Жыл бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha I have had a Sony A7 for years and feel its colors look more true to life than any Fuji or old Nikon I have used, especally with vintage lenses mounted. If film look is what you are after the Foveon sensor is (in my very pedantic {probably borderline autisitc} opinion) is the best one can do in the world of 0's and 1's.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewsmithphoto yeah I've been curious to try one of those!

@realamericannegro977

Жыл бұрын

I thought the d300 was a ccd sensor

@franklekwan5860

Жыл бұрын

@@realamericannegro977 No, it is stated as a CMOS sensor in D300's user manual.

Oh wow. So much wrong here. 1. The Sony rainbow candies looked way past their expiry date; the Kodak rainbow candies - I licked my screen. 2. It's just wrong to shoot gummy-bears. 3. No normal person can make that video without being caught eating a prop. 4. I don't believe you filmed the intro until after you'd watched the video (scratches head). I could go on. Really interesting, though. I agreed 100% with your takes on the comparisons, despite being a little stunned by the extent of the differences. As to whether the comparison would somehow be more accurate if everything was shot through the same lens - both yes and no. Yes - use a Takumar or Zeiss on both then. No - real world relevancy is better represented where the images are shot using the rigs that people actually use. One day I'll try a similar experiment using the E300 and the K1... just not with the gummy-bears. Cheers.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I may do what another viewer suggested and compare a E-500 and one within the same evolt series that used a cmos sensor! Also fun side fact, the rainbow gummies tasted like bland rubber. They look 10× better than they actually taste 🤣

@luzr6613

Жыл бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha Disappointing to hear that about the Kodak rainbows - yet another triumph of appearance over substance. That alt-test would be interesting - a 500 vs a 510, or something. I suppose part of the problem is separating out the physical sensor from the 'colour science' it's wrapped in - we already know how the exact same sensor in different manufacturer's cameras can yield very different results. Whatever, for me, colour fidelity straight out of camera seems important - I was shocked by the Sony rendition of a couple of those scenes. Were i Mr Sony, some dweeb would be getting a public spanking at the office for that.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

@@luzr6613 true! This could be a whole series lmao! The perspective of seeing all the differences between brands and sensors would be fascinating. I'd love to see how an E-500 might compare to a modern Olympus camera.

@luzr6613

Жыл бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha You like these things. Why? Where-in lies the appeal? You shoot a big Sony. I shoot a big Pentax. But I love my collection of cripples too. It's morning here and i've just finished a photo-wander in a forested park. I'm having coffee at my regular, though occasional, cafe. I shot my 620. I used my 18-180 to find compositions. I took all my shots with a Super Multi Coated Takumar 50 f1.4; a Vivitar 28 f2.5; and a Super Takumar 200 f4. The struggle with manual focus on the 620 in early morning forest light has given me a thumping headache. Oh yeah, and I'm badly dressed. Hope that explains the appeal 4/3 has to me... I'm sure your story is different.🙁

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

@@luzr6613 its mostly me in my makeshift studio taking pictures of candy and rubbing my stiff neck from standing over the table in an inhuman way lmao

Sony cameras and yes I own one are known for their inaccurate skin tones. My ever day Cary is my Sony but my serious work is still done on my canon 5d sometimes color trumps detail especially in the real world where most of us seldom print big .

@ColtonMatocha

10 ай бұрын

I agree! Color trumps sharpness and resolution every time. My Sony cameras are great at the technical stuff like low light performance and autofocus but they definitely lack in the color department. I wish I could take the best of Olympus and the best of Sony and slam them together hahaha. That canon 5D is a great camera! I know some professional photographers who are still shooting on the 5D IV!

If you can get your hands on a Olympus or OM M43 camera be interesting with their color science. Sony color science is known to be flat.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I'd love to compare the newer Olympus M43 cameras color science to their older cameras!

Foveon beats both.

@ColtonMatocha

7 ай бұрын

I have yet to try out a Foveon sensor, but I'd like to!

On the train Kodak has much better red color.

@ColtonMatocha

Ай бұрын

Definitely agree

Thought Sony made sensors for everyone,are you comparing two Sony sensors.Not that it matters much..? My own experience is ccd lovely in bright conditions,poor at dusk etc.

@ColtonMatocha

2 ай бұрын

No but it might be a good future comparison to do a Sony CCD vs CMOS. In this video it was a Sony sensor vs a Kodak sensor.

Always the same toys for the examples...the persons is best

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

I'll definitely consider that for any future comparisons!

@televisionadntv9742

Жыл бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha kzread.info/dash/bejne/hXerurOxos68hc4.html

Useless test! Why match the focal length equivalents and then move the cameras all over the place? You need one tabletop setting WITH a GretagMacbeth colour chart and shoot with both camera on a tripod so the scenes match.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback

CCD is more filmic (saturated) but they also write much slower

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

Yeah plus the general interface of CCD cameras usually isn't as user friendly as today's cameras are

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

@@outtathyme5679 sick! I'll check it out! That camera reminds me of my Fujifilm J40 that I take everywhere!

@andrewsmithphoto

Жыл бұрын

I have done a lot of research and can say the "color theory" does not hold true.

@ColtonMatocha

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewsmithphoto how do you mean?

A very strange test. I like the CCD images, I myself use the E400 and I'm thinking of buying an E1 or E500. But in this case, looking at Sony's RAW, we see a really raw file or so. And Olympus has jpg compressed in Raw. Nothing test. Sorry. And believe me, a real raw CCD is just as faded. Очень странный тест. Мне нравится ЦЦД изображения, я сам использую Е400 и думаю прикупить Е1 или Е500. Но в данном случае глядя на RAW Сони, мы видим по настоящему сырой файл или около того. А у Олимпуса jpg зжатый в Raw. Тест ни о чем. Простите. И поверьте настоящий raw CCD, такойже блеклый.

@ColtonMatocha

10 ай бұрын

I think in hindsight the difference is up to the color science of the brand more than anything. How do you like the E400? It's nearly impossible to get here in the States!

@gluhojkolobok

10 ай бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha I bought myself a second one.)) I don't like the unreliable cover of the memory card. Well, the camera itself is very small, my 12-60 pulls the camera out of my hands. I keep trying to find 25mm at a good price, then there will be a good balance.

@ColtonMatocha

10 ай бұрын

@@gluhojkolobok I wonder if they ever made an addon grip from olympus or a third party. I feel similar about my Em10.

@gluhojkolobok

10 ай бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha You can find something on your olympus om-d e-m10. But no weight gain. The grip will be improved. My first serious camera was olympus om-d e-m5m2. This camera taught me that good photography requires weight and a good grip. weight is good). If you need compactness, I take m5 without flu and 17mm for a walk, and an electronic shutter is desirable.

You are righr, i bought my ccd camera again

@ColtonMatocha

5 ай бұрын

Which camera did you get?

@CO8848_2

5 ай бұрын

@@ColtonMatocha I had a d40 I loved but was stolen. Its replacement d3100 I kinda hated, and lost interest in photography for 10 years. Now that I have Sony to do video photo of my kids, but bought d50 and d80 for them to play. And I am loving the organic film like images out of my Nikon CCD cameras again

@ColtonMatocha

5 ай бұрын

@@CO8848_2 shame that D40 got stolen! It's a well regarded camera!