I agree with what you say. Morrissey would never eat meat. For all his faults, Morrissey is as you say, completely true to the cause of animal rights.

@fairlightcmi

Жыл бұрын

I mean he did wear leather for many years until his solo lol I’m half joking

@omegafd6992

Жыл бұрын

@@fairlightcmi I doubt that's true I'm sure it was leather affect

@diorsse

4 ай бұрын

well that's because the joke was not about him relinquishing veganism, it was about his racism

Now I know how Joan of Arc felt - Morrissey

@professorskye

3 жыл бұрын

True story, I played that song in the basement with my kids just last week.

@youngfirth9163

3 жыл бұрын

Sweetness I was only joking when I said.....

@kenpudsey6435

3 жыл бұрын

@@professorskye On Point review of 'The Simpsons' episode..started off well and was quite funny..I thought the song they made for Morrissey in this was brilliant,a really good tune..but then as you said,it just got too personal,untrue and downright nasty..a shame because it really had potential of being a great episode!

It's almost as if I could enjoy Morrissey AND steak simultaneously while acknowledging that all people, even those deemed by many to be creative geniuses with a huge cultural impact, are flawed and might not be great role models. Is it even possible? Could I, as an American meat-eater, still like The Smiths or Morrissey himself without caring how they felt about Margaret Thatcher or McDonald's cheeseburgers? Like a dream that felt so real.....

This is a really quality and nuanced analysis. Great content Sir.

big moz fan here. yeh, fair points made. i enjoyed your analysis. Also, if you don’t dress as rick grimes every Halloween you are missing a trick!

When I was home bound due to Covid in January I had a Simpsons watching marathon…this episode really caught me (and the damned song keeps getting stuck in my head)…it actually reminded me how much I dug Morrissey, The Smiths, New Order, etc and all those type of bands back in the day…I went back and created a new playlist on Spotify with all that stuff! Yeah, there were some off color jokes in the episode, but it took me back to rediscover the tunes I loved when I was younger…

Now, I never seen an episode of The Simpsons, but from the aspects you've described about this episode, reminds me of South Park's conventional approach to humor. Whether you interpret that as a positive or not, depends on what humor you deem ideal.

Calling Morrissey fat is even more untrue than it is unfair. No, he isn't as slim as he was in the 80s, but he's not actually fat either.

Fantastic summary and I find it hard to disagree with any of the points you made here. Really excellent content!

The parody was fair, except the small point that they made him fatter than he is now, but it's the Simpsons. It's PARODY. The rest is dead on. They only hit the non-subtle points because the Simpsons is a short show with a lot going on. Plus the song, "Everyone is Horrid.." is a really good song, and nails the Smiths...to the point that it's stuck in my head. lol. Did Johnny Marr write it? I he plays with everyone, I wouldn't be surprised. Of COURSE Morrissey threatened to sue. But how could young sad sardonic Morrissey NOT grow up to want to sue people who criticize him? Makes perfect sense. Fun fact: I never listened to the Smiths and now I do because I checked them out after this episode.

Love this. Your arguments are so well put & presented 👏🏻

Thank you for collecting your thoughts on this episode. I felt jarred at the ending too. The first part was delightful. Wouldn’t it have been wonderful for the Quillobys to meet?

Spot on. My love affair with the Smiths and Morrissey is deeper than I could say, and yes it frustrates me when Morrissey says things that are off-color and ignorant, but this is the problem with a post-nuance or post-humanity world. I felt a lot of his statement on his website was truly heartbreaking, and i think you can tell he really isn't this racist monster as you pointed out. The difference between Morrissey and any other public figure is that he actually says the quiet part out loud. Everyone has opinions that are "unsavory," we are flawed people, and that is what the twitter mob ignores, it is inherently puritanical. We're all sinners at the end of the day, and the problem with this neo-puritanism is that we ignore the humanity in ourselves, that we are sinners, that we are flawed, and Morrissey is especially flawed, but the almost satisfaction people get with lambasting morrissey is curious for sure

@weatherman9212

3 жыл бұрын

how is Morrissey especially flawed? He's not a racist or bigot or xenophobic. He's simply against mass immigration as he's aware of the negative effects it can have on a nation

@thecrookedtrail679

2 жыл бұрын

@@weatherman9212 And he has shown compassion to the down trodden repeatedly, including the most vulnerable, Animals. He doesn't always express himself in a way that is understood and he has settled into his bitterness somewhat. I wonder how he is any different to most people. I am grateful for the unique contributions he has made to the great songbook. Love above all 💛

How many times can one be “misquoted” or “taken out of context”, etc. Loved Morrissey for so long but after giving him so many passes I am done. He’s basically turned into one of the sad characters from a Smiths 45 sleeve. The Vegas residency is the icing on the irrelevance cake. A sad hateful end of years to something that once was brilliant and fresh and made you want to keep breathing. Glad I never got that tattoo I considered many years ago.

@新街口_Station_Pizza_Parlor

3 жыл бұрын

What is he wrong about?

@marcofreitas3844

3 жыл бұрын

LOL

@rackelhahnskateboards1370

3 жыл бұрын

THIS!

@Scout555

Жыл бұрын

He is “ BIGOTED and XENOPHOBIC “ as if it’s that’s okay 😂. I love that Morrissey disdains his own fans, those who excuse his sociopathic behavior and he just walks out on them midshow - its his best performance.

I picked up my 18 yo daughter from College and she was telling me about "Goth" music like it was something relatively new lol. It was an interesting ride home. I played her some of that genre's early influences and heroes , like The Cure, The Smiths, Joy Division, and Sunny Day Real Estate. I was trying to "explain" Morrissey to her and I thought I'd show her his parody on The Simpsons. Lol. Then I saw this. Thank you. I just forwarded this to her :) Spot on.

Thank you for this video, you have made some excellent points. I honestly just wish we as a society, could learn to separate the music/art from the artists. People today just want to 'cancel' artists whenever they don't live up to their expectations, say the wrong thing, or fail to be "good role models" I feel I can love the art/music someone makes without necessarily liking or agreeing with the things they say or do in their personal lives, on interviews etc. We should be allowed to continue appreciating the artist's work and talent for what it is, without feeling the need to get into controversy.

@ignaziosanna4910

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree 😊

@kezc4312

3 жыл бұрын

‘The Death of the Author’- Roland Barthes

@startmakingsense2071

3 жыл бұрын

Good for you ... who are the Simpsons trying to cancel? As far as I’m aware they’re just parodying a fat old bigot. Don’t see anyone being silenced

@gialin1

3 жыл бұрын

Hey don't get me wrong, the Simpson's are the best, I laughed at that parody too! I meant the people who take those things too personal. I guess Lisa was a good example of how that can happen in this episode, at first it was fine when she appreciated the music, but then she started taking the artist too seriously, only to realize he sucked as a person.

I haven't seen the episode yet but I look forward to it. I gave up on Morrissey after I heard Bengali In Platforms. Still love Johnny Marr's work. The ending sounds like it is as much a dig at Charlie Hebdo as it is at Morrissey. Robert Smith did a voice over for South Park and George Harrison even appeared in The Rutles. I suspect that's because they both had a sense of humour.

@lisafybush3855

3 жыл бұрын

I agree! Robert Smith is great at laughing at himself (so was George).

@FeelGoodInspiration

3 жыл бұрын

It’s funny how lots of people don’t understands this song even though it’s not that hard to understand.

@BurtonRdForever

3 жыл бұрын

You obviously don't understand the lyrics 🙄

Long time Morrissey and The Smiths fan, and I appreciated your balanced review/comments! Thank you 🙏🏼

I agree with pretty much everything you've said. They captured Morrissey pretty well in terms of his personality and his music, up until the ending which was just plain silly and unsubtle.

This is fantastic. Thank you for your video. As a Morrissey and Simpsons fan, I agree with all your points expressed on this review. And as I always said: being a Morrissey supporter in this day and age it's just like loving that annoying uncle that you grew up with. He constantly screams out his idiotic opinions, but you love him anyway.

I am a Smiths/Morrisey fan who never watched the Simpsons, but understand it’s impact on our culture. I came across “Everyone Is Horrid” in a playlist and fell in love with it! I watched the video for the song and could almost name every video from which the shots were borrowed. I never really followed Morrisey’s politics so I cannot comment on them, but when I read about the show’s ending, I had a sour feeling in my stomach for how such a brilliant characterization devolved into an unnecessarily slimy one. Shame on the Simpsons for taking the slimy road they took!

@elizabethbennet4791

Жыл бұрын

yeah i mean fat jokes are pretty much as lazy as you can get

Point being that heaping shit on someone for their views places you in the same grave as they. Have compassion for yourself and others and live what you are screaming.

You have voiced something which I couldn't construct into a cogent position. Thank you.

ok you said exactly what I was thinking when I finally saw this. The elder Morrissey appearance is so weak and poorly written that it almost ruins the whole episode. this episode is everything that is both right and wrong with the simpsons.

This whole thing is like watching my parents fight. I love the Simpsons. I love Moz. I wish they wouldn’t fight. I do wish they both quit while on top. Both have been guilty of sub-par output for a long time. No arguing that the fat jokes weren’t a pretty low blow. I thought “fat shaming” went the way of white dudes performing Indian voices. Bad look, The Simpsons, bad look. I wasn’t saying “boo-urns”. I’m just saying “boo!”.

@genobutler2711

Жыл бұрын

Stay together for the kids!! 😉😄

Morrissey is starting to remind me of older Orson Welles: a creative genius who's grown bitter and who overindulges in everything.

@professorskye

3 жыл бұрын

Not a bad comparison.

I'm a huge Morrissey/Smiths fan - I've seen him 13 times (so far) in concert, and I think this is spot on.

@flynnbadillo

3 жыл бұрын

How many did he initially cancel?

@bryander

3 жыл бұрын

I got to see almost a half of one song performed by Morrissey in concert. A few moments after starting (late), he expressed his dissatisfaction with the crowd-this was at Wembley in London-and left the stage. That was it. No refunds. I’d committed a chunk of my limited cash to this while overseas, made the trip by bus over from Cambridge, then pretty much had to turn around and return home-though, if I recall, I still bought a significantly discounted t-shirt. Circa 1991.

@flynnbadillo

3 жыл бұрын

@@bryander he has upset a lot of ppl over the years by pulling these antics at concerts. During a show in California he refused to perform bc it was apparently cold......

@bryander

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-pq9js4ty8l I don’t think it was super clear to me at the time. It was a big venue, so whatever transpired between him and his fans in the first dozen rows or so was too far away. And it’s been too many years for me to remember what I learned from others at the time. It didn’t change my opinion of his music. But as someone who’s earned a lot of wealth from his status as a public figure, he (imho) ought recognize and accept that the public at large can and will make up all kinds of nonsense about him. He doesn’t have to like it, and it’s wholly valid that these tendencies are somewhat destructive to society, but it is still one of the costs of becoming celebrity. Might do him some good to discuss his anger (at Simpsons writers and others) with a trained clinical psychologist, especially given the indications of right wing authoritarian leanings I’ve learned about here. I’d think advocacy for veganism and non-violence don’t mesh well with such ideologies in a balanced mind.

@bryander

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-pq9js4ty8l yeah, I agree it is unfair. I’m afraid I’ve not seen this simpsons episode (yet?), just found my way to this video after hearing of the controversy. I don’t think it’s at all cool that the writers portrayed Morrissey as a meet-eater, and I imagine I’d be in agreement with Skye’s take here that it’s unfunny and mean, and for no good reason. However it’s been a bit of a tradition here in the states for people in positions of power or notoriety to be on the receiving end of all kinds of abuse. Part of our collective valuing of “freedom of speech,” something reflected in our far less stringent libel and slander laws (compared to UK’s). Of course, with today’s splintering of public discourse thanks to social media echo chambers (and a dearth of critical thinking skills), the types of lies and nonsense of the past take on a whole life of their own. But unlike people who accept dangerous preposterous notions-think anti-maskers claiming covid doesn’t exist and that public health measures are actually an intricate mind-control plan-anyone thinking a mostly Morrissey-based cartoon portrayal is accurate isn’t going to storm any government buildings over it. (Well, probably not anyway.)

If The Simpsons took the piss out of me, I would be flattered.

Im a huge Smiths fan. Moz by himself not so much. Well, Moz made fun of fat people for ages. Morrissey needs to lighten up.

just found your channel and i’m trying to figure out why you haven’t gotten millions of subscribers yet

@professorskye

3 жыл бұрын

@@hatesitrick Maybe! Though, I never thought I'd get more than 100 subs, so who knows?

I haven't seen your YT channel yet, but I have to congratulate you on this clip. Very good and understandable thoughts. I wish more MOZ & SMITHS fans would not behave like brainless 8-year-old-fans, but rather assess the situation realistically.

i think you're missing the point a bit. it wasn't a Morrissey biopic. it was a cartoon and it was a parody and it was satire. i loved the episode and i say that as a Smiths fan. a lot of Smiths fans miss the version of Morrissey that turns up in Lisa's bedroom as an imaginary friend and it was sweet to be reminded of that. i would say that the attention to detail reflected that the episode was indeed crafted by Smiths fans (or people who at one point were Smiths fans!) right down to Bret McKenzie's songs. in terms of the way Team Morrissey has responded - i think they've made everything worse than it needed to be, particularly the statement from Morrissey's manager, which was absolutely terrible. someone on the Moz FB page put all this far more eloquently than I and suggested that instead, Team Morrissey should have responded along the lines of the following and i totally agree: “Consider me honored to be skewered by a beloved cultural institution (a state of existence of which I know a thing or two). I loathed nearly every minute of it and I suppose that’s the point. The deconstruction of our heroes always makes for compelling entertainment. In other words, well done gents.” and that's my tuppence on this! ps. i like your posters!

@SuiGenerisMan

2 жыл бұрын

He TOTALLY missed the point, don't under-sell it. It's absolutely hysterical that he does the video in front of a Smiths shrine you might find in my bedroom at 14, and without any self awareness at all, publicly demonstrating the conflict being a Smiths fanboy and the funniest show of all time taking a shot at an obscure singer he just happens to love. Soon as he got to the end, I started laughing for the rest of the video, I thought it was a brilliant joke at first. Goodness, how embarrassing. People aren't going to get mad you stood up for your hero, so you can climb down from your cross

I really don't feel Morrissey is xenophobic as you say he is. In an interview with Morrissey in 2006 "An Afternoon with Morrissey" he states that when he was in The Smiths he thought England was the world & nothing outside of England really mattered to him & how now he saw that mind set as closed & narrow minded. Morrissey has embraced & celebrated manny different identities & cultures throughout his solo career - either in his lyrics or in interviews - you just have to listen to him & possibly stop reading those dodgy Guardian editorials on him. It be a pretty strange thing for an Englishman who is supposedly xenophobic to have such a devoted Latino following who treat him like a God & who clearly feel the love is reciprocated, because it is. Morrissey is clearly interested in exploring ideas surrounding cultural identity whether that be British, Latino, Italian, French, American or whatever, his lyrics literally show this. Don't get it twisted, it's not a xenophobic position to take on a love for manny different types of cultures & communities with their own traditions & heritage that he wants to see preserved in their own right - at least to some degree - & to be celebrated. He's a romantic.

I love the way you articulate this and how you’ve considered the nuance of it all 👌

i really like the background

A great video with great points. As a Morrissey/the Smiths fan, I completely agree. Thank you.

It’s “mean” but then again, we’re talking about Morrissey here. I don’t feel bad for him at all. Great musician? Yes. Trash human? Absolutely!!

Im a huge smiths n mozza fan and u are spot on! I wish mozza would listen to his friend Russell Brand and just chill! Xx

@douglasmono330

2 ай бұрын

That hasn't aged well...

No down votes from me. If anything, you’ve just got a new subscriber (2, technically, as I also used my personal account) I’m a huge fan of Morrissey and The Simpsons and basically agree with everything you said. You articulated exactly why I didn’t care for the episode... It went for the cheap shot and was unnecessarily mean.

God Bless you, You just earned a new Subscriber and I don't subscribe to people easily.

The ending was totally about John Lyndon. Go Google him. Morrissey, not so much.

@drea4195

3 жыл бұрын

Do you mean John Lydon? He never professed to be a vegetarian. And he's always been 100 percent straightforward on all his views. He treats his fans well, just not reporters, perhaps. No, I don't see this being about John Lydon at all.

I LOVED your analysis! Nuanced is exactly the right approach because I felt really conflicted after I watched the episode. Would love to be able to chat more as I have thoughts .

I agree wholeheartedly. Love this video

Props! I agree and you nailed it.

As a Smith fan I liked the Simpsons episode

Thanks prof skye.big morrissey /smiths fan but it has been heartbreaking to see morrissey support the far right.it has been heartbreaking because his lyrics touched our hearts so deeply...and gave hope when there felt like there was none.i have not been able to listen to the music for a couple of years because i struggle that my idol no longer believes things himself.. But he is still the best and most beautiful lyricyst of all time.

@fredof4413

3 жыл бұрын

I think moz is still compassionate and caring that's why he supported a party which advocated for his own people's wellbeing

@AB-pw7ro

3 жыл бұрын

@@fredof4413 Exactly. The true bigots are those accusing mere patriots of wrongdoing. Morrissey speaks a lot of sense.

@PSVR2.

3 жыл бұрын

When did Morrissey support the far right?

Every time I watch your videos, I am reminded why I'm subscribed to you.

Good points and I agree with you except for the fact that I would still love to see The Smiths reunited again.

No anger here. I respect the Smiths but Morrissey has always gone out of his way to alienate those who love him

"Bengali, Bengali, oh shelve your Western plans and understand that life is hard enough when you belong here" ('Bengali In Platforms', 1988) - Morrissey.

@PSVR2.

3 жыл бұрын

Top lyrics.

@BurtonRdForever

3 жыл бұрын

And?

@PSVR2.

3 жыл бұрын

@@BurtonRdForever And he's probably pointing out that these lyrics maybe a little racist, but I disagree.

@jordancooperlalala

3 жыл бұрын

(Paraphrase from a Morrissey interview) "well, if you were dropped in the middle of Japan right now you'd probably feel like you don't belong there." True, right?

@StarsandBarsRecords

2 жыл бұрын

How do you know Morrissey wasn't singing from the perspective of a character in that song? Not as himself. You don't.

I’m a Moz fan and have pretty much the same thoughts...the concert at the end took a strange turn. My best explanation of that was they were actually satirizing the Moz haters at the end....everyone knows they won’t get back together and he won’t eat meat.

My main problem with the Morrissey song parody is that it wasn't nearly as funny as a typical Morrissey song.

@professorskye

3 жыл бұрын

funny

The problem is celebrities and our worshiping of them. I do not care if an artist is likable, just that I value their art.

Morrissey falls for the right-wing traps on immigration, but he's certainly "gettable", as in saveable, and some people don't want him to be because they're idiots. He loves his Mexican fans, he moved to Rome for a bit, he's said he likes the social issue messages in hip hop - like there's certainly someone to win over there and people are just so stupid they don't want to actually get a good result. You just need to point out that Farage is a political opportunist who wants to privatize the NHS and help out his banker friends, that he's not for the working class nor is UKIP or BNP or Britain First. If your response is to shut down when you hear awful views, you'll never convince anyone. But by all means, leave the TFGs alone for your own health. Morrissey ain't one though.

@afxtwinreverb

2 жыл бұрын

"He loves his Mexican fans" sounds like "I support LGBT rights, my friend Johnny is gay"

artists are meant to disturb the peace

GREAT video holy shit

According to writer, Tim Long, "Quilloughby" wasn't JUST a parody on Morrissey and The Snuffs, but rather a hybrid of a lot of the now Elder Goth singers who had their heyday in the 80s singers, like "Robert Smith and The Cure, Ian Curtis and Joy Division and a bunch of others". I wouldn't be surprised if Andrew Eldritch from Sisters of Mercy and Siouxsie Sioux and Siouxsie and The Banshees were also a part of the hybrid. As for me personally, I like to think that Dave Gahan and Depeche Mode were also included. If you look closely at one of the songs in Quilloughby's Slapify's Playlist, there's a song that is titled "Envy The Dead Fly In The Lightbulb". If that's not a parody of DM's "Flies On The Windscreen", I don't know what is! LOL!!!

Panic on the streets of London, panic on the streets of Birmingham, I wonder to myself....

No sir, you are definelty wrong! He does not love animals because he hates people, he does not like most of the people becuse of awful things people do to the animals and he loves animals more than anything, fame, money and etc... Can you see the difference? Only people who truly love animals could understand him and why the way he acts and talks.People who call other people "racists" and then have a dead animal for the lunch are nothing but a hypocrites. Animlas also have feelings , they think , they get hurt , they love, they get depressed and so on just like you , me ans whoever reads this comment. . Nothing makes them less "alive" than you, me and other people. You said that his "fanatic vegan" behavior is not something that we should not normalize? If there is one thing as a human race we should normalize is that kind of behavoir. Now imagine a world where animals can talk and able to use a social media. Would you able to make that kind of comment on a social media about how speaking up agaist animal cruelty and lets say not letting other people interview you because of their animal skin made shoes is considered as a misanthropy? You, would get trashed by that society and this video would be considered as an "speciesist" and get blocked. It is all about point of view. All I know is that we live in a very disgusting society where each lie perfectly crafted as a "truth" by the media.

I thought it was unusual for the Simpsons. They usually get a few digs in, but I don't know if they've ever had a whole episode entirely devoted to bashing a fading celebrity.

Thank you for such a well-balanced and thoughtful take on that episode of The Simpsons. Tweeting this out.

@professorskye

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that.

I think they just did him dirty xD when it came to the meat eating lol, hes always been very vocal about his views on meat eating. However everything is fair when its just a parody, i think he's just taking it too personal. Love Moz either way.

Totally agree about the Réunion. Have never understood why people want that of their fave bands.

Of course it’s not as black and white as the Simpsons made it, because it’s an animated comedy show! Almost all comedy is based on exaggeration and I thought their depiction of Morrissey was hilarious. I bet the writers are even fans of his. I’m a huge fan of Morrissey but I also have a sense of humor and don’t believe everything and everyone deserves to be taken so seriously all the time. Someone like Oscar Wilde (One of Morrissey’s idols) would most surely agree with me.

I love Mozza too and you’re right - he’s flawed, like the rest of us. I haven’t seen the show yet but I don’t know why Mozza or his reps should protest it. Did he care how Maggie felt about Margaret on the Guillotine?

Sorry, but “Everyone is Horrid, Except Me (and Possibly You)” is a great song.

I don't think Americans really get Morrissey or The Smiths in the same way that we do. You claim it is a 'poetic sadness' but actually this is superficial, his works are very humorous and multilayered with localised references that you would not understand unless you did some deep research. Now, I appreciate the idea of a counter culture gone sour, that is a good perspctive on the current situation. But it misses the point that corporate culture has vulturised upon these emotions to the extent that it has become watered down, just as the Simpsons has done. Simultaneously, Morrissey is still a god of music, but really quite embarsing in some of his views, although not entirely incorrect either, it's just that the audience themselves who have been moved into the sphere find him repulsive. Those people especially being americans who never really 'got' the music fully in the first place. You know, the types who found the music through crappy movies like 'Perks of a wallflower' and '500 days of summer' or whatever. Just like the Simpsons, these people want to compartmentalise his repetoir into a single sound or idea or concept. It's just very American-centric.

@radioflyer5730

3 жыл бұрын

Morrissey has always struck me as a bit of a buffoon. He reminds me of those FOX commentators whose political discourse is only a type of empty entertainment and tactical game. That is the attitude I see. It is sort of like saying 'don't take me too seriously I say all types of things'.

@lotuseater7247

3 жыл бұрын

@@radioflyer5730 Comparing Morrissey to a Fox commentator seems, on paper, a bit of a stretch. Fox commentators have an underlying ideology or politcal bias that they have to peddle behind a mask of corporatism. Morrissey says things that pop into his head because he doesn't give a toss. But he's also a proud egomaniac with a desire to enforce his views without exception. Perhaps then there are some similarities between the two!

@lotuseater7247

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dnd884 yeah, so.

@lotuseater7247

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dnd884 oh ok

I think you need to forget about the "Twittermob" The Simpsons is written by the same team that has written the Simpsons for the last 30 years.

"In a world obsessed with Hate Laws, there are none that protect me" His response was funnier than the Simpsons could ever dream of. Trying to take offense to racism allegations publicly, and saying that?? Its the perfect racist characature soundbite/punchline and the situational irony on top is hilarious. The Simpsons could never, but don't die on this hill lol

@GeeseFX

3 жыл бұрын

He should have said something like, "Crying Racism is the new Boy who cried wolf." or "Isn't it ironic that the people who cry and whine about racism the most are the most racist and hateful people?" And I don't find the quote you shared really that funny because he's absolutely right. The race of people on this earth who are and have been the most loving and tolerant towards others is the race that is continually blamed as the only people who are racist.

Very good video 🙏

Based on the thumbnail I thought Rick Grimes aka Andrew Lincoln started a review channel !

I am half way through, and I can't understand how this guy is understanding yet still prefaced all of this with...Morrissey hates everything and that's correct. But, this episode was a family guy take...not the simpsons I Know take. I guess I should have known because the simpsons have been shit for 15 years. I get that it's my bad for thinking the simpsons were still a proper satire show. They didn't say that Paul McCartney was a fraud. That was the episode that made Lisa a vegetarian. It just showed that respecting an idol is not a thing anymore. You have to shit on people to make a statement. It's sad.

Morrissey is not fat,he's 64 body changes but he is not fat.Morrissey has always been true to himself,that is one of the things I admire about him.

Cumberbatch should be ashamed of himself. He can't even pull a Mancunian accent off,instead he drivels some quasi Scouse (Liverpool) accent. What a twat. We can't stick up for Morrissey can we? He actually has his own opinions. Like your balanced view as a fellow Mancunian and massive music fan.

Disagree. Being a punk in the 80s I hated Morrissey. Now as he gets older I'm starting to like him!

Great review and I totally agree. He's a xenophobe but not the monster The Simpsons and media are portraying him to be.

Morrissey’s racism is actually very simple and bigotry and xenophobia are forms of racism. I get your point about his fracturing, but I’m confused why people need to minimize his views. When he says people just naturally prefer ones race - that’s the definition of racism! To say he’s not like the “real racists” just ignore how structures of white supremacy work. What’s really sad is Morrissey is now joining the league of rich, privileged white dudes who scream victimization or being denied free speech when people call them on their shit. Or just mock them.

@radioflyer5730

3 жыл бұрын

He turned into yet another privileged and bigoted right wing old man. His comment that everyone prefers their own race is a trite generalization with little value or meaning other than to inform us about the type of person he is. I was a fan for a while but it didn't take too long to realize that his music and outlook are negative. Yeah there's something there but the fumes are stifling.

@cominginsecond

3 жыл бұрын

It was the line about naturally preferring one's race that moved me from "yeah, he's a little racist and he expresses himself clumsily" to "he completely sucks, what in the hell happened to him." That said, there's some interesting contradictory threads in there too, like his admiration of Obama and hatred of Trump, his admiration of James Baldwin, etc. I absolutely do not know what to make of that.

@radioflyer5730

3 жыл бұрын

@@georgiaswann6221 I'm sure many people prefer their own race, that's not the point. The statement has very little value or meaning, but you would not understand why that is. By the way just so you know I am white, I know that matters to you.

@colonizedmutant

3 жыл бұрын

@@georgiaswann6221 there is just no material or historical basis to justify this "generalization" - and perhaps you speak of your own personal preferences or anecdotes - which is irrelevant (and i feel sorry for you if it is truth for you). there were actual laws in the US and South Africa that prohibited marriages and sex between people of different races - how does this square with this overall generalization? It is a function of white supremacy to maintain strict separation and distinction between races when anti-racist theory has a basis of race as a construction. The strongest political movements have been multi-racial. We can point to examples of forms of social cohesion around identity. But this is not a preference over preferring our own race. It is often strategic and political as a way to respond to oppression.

@colonizedmutant

3 жыл бұрын

@@georgiaswann6221 I find the categories you use confusing because culture/tribe/ethnicity does not equal race. There are Black Jews for example?? I could accept that people are more comfortable with marrying within communities, but in multi-racial cities like Toronto, you could not make this same claim about people "naturally" wanting to be with their own race. There is nothing natural about it because race is a construct! Also your whole "white supremacy does not tell people who they prefer" is a very crude understanding of the functions of white supremacy. Like of course when communities are separated by race because of red lining where Black folks live in poor areas and whites folks live in wealthier areas that yes, perhaps that’s why they stick with one another? Here is an article about the rise of interracial relationships that talk about stats in the US. Alas I'm writing from Canada. I'm also brown (sorry if that disappoints!). www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/feb/21/whats-behind-the-rise-of-interracial-marriage-in-the-us

I'll say the portyal is very tongue 'n cheek

The picture of present Morrissey felt like writers gathered to write the episode after reading a couple of news articles about him, not trying to actually be ironic

Interesting point about how misanthropy in youth can lead to bigotry in later life. I think you could (at least in part) also say this about other artists like John Lydon

@DavidFlowers777

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-pq9js4ty8l ok so first of all I think your comment is really out of proportion considering this is just an idea worth talking about and not some undisputeable fact or something. You could, in fact, say that this very comment is an invitation to think for yourself. Besides that, especially in the cases of Lydon and Morrissey this really isn't about digging up dirt on anyone or "cancelling" them because of past mistakes. This is about things they have openly and consciously said and not disputed since, which in my eyes makes it fair to consider this their current believes. And if these apparent believes, based on the things they've said, are bigoted, I think it is fair to call them bigots.

@DavidFlowers777

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-pq9js4ty8l as someone who is from Germany I very much have a problem with someone defending the founder of the British Pegida, named after the German Pegida which is an islamophobic, far right hate group who's members are literally proud Neo Nazis, and I'm guessing the Pegida UK isn't all that different, if the German Pegida was its predecessor. But beyond that I think that everything you said could be easily turned around and applied to your point of view. This isn't really an argument to say the one side isn't truthful to themselves and just repeat common talking points, when I could say the same about the other side. I also think that the idea of people being able to build their own opinion just on their own out of thin air is a bit far from reality. Yes you can research yourself and decide what ideals fit you best, but you have to get your information from somewhere. This is also really beyond the point but I was a Morrissey and the Smiths fan and did not decide to suddenly not like him anymore because everyone said he was evil. I just noticed that he recently said a lot of stuff that I really don't agree with and than I noticed, that he has been saying this stuff for years and that made me dislike him. Did I burn my the smiths vinyls? No. But I just cannot defend a man I strongly disagree with

@DavidFlowers777

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-pq9js4ty8l I only brought up that I was a Morrissey fan so you would finally stop presuming that I must have changed my mind because someone told me to. Not everyone disagreeing with you does so because its a "trend" or something. And Pegida UK was founded by Tommy Robinson, that you mentioned. Unless that is you mean a different Tommy Robinson that I don't know of. Also nobody is trying to take away your right to free speech, it's just that free speech has its limitations too and *does not* mean free from consequence. If you for example threaten to murder someone you can't just plead your right to free speech, you would still have to deal with the (legal) consequences if someone brought you to court over it. Someone disagreeing with you is not taking away your free speech. I also don't know where you get that 'every white person is racist' thing from all of the sudden. I never said that. Don't try to strawman argument me and lay words in my mouth that I never said. By the way, it's extremely important for people on the left to NOT think every white person is inherently racist, because that would mean that this is a lost cause (which is also why I have never heard any *actual* leftist say that). Its just that the system most western countries are build upon was build on the idea of racism and is still to this day disproportionately affecting people of colour. Has it also never crossed *your* mind that maybe some people are just against racism because they think its immoral?! Is it really that complicated to understand that I am against racism because I think it is wrong and not because I want to get sympathy? Can't people just do something out of empathy and not because it directly affects them? Please stop it with these strawman arguments. Lastly, and this is again beyond the point really, but if I was actually afraid of a wider conversation I wouldn't have responded to your first comment, nor the two comments after that. I don't know if this is fair of me to say but so far most your arguments haven't been really for anything and more just against something, that beeing a vague idea of what the other end of the political spectrum might say.

@DavidFlowers777

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-pq9js4ty8l ok. This is clearly going nowhere. You are just presuming stuff about me and what you think my opinion is instead of responding to what I'm saying, so I'm just going to stop responding.

@julietjones1310

3 жыл бұрын

I was also thinking this was John Lyndon, Morrissey not so much!

Fair.

That was good, man. 👍

I really liked the way you approached the subject. Where have people been for the last 35+ years though? There is no secret that Morrissey has views that he never hid. "England is mine and it owes me a living". He was always protective...of country, animals, free speech, other artists (he respected). I watched the China wet market videos and other markets for dogs and cats. When you view someone gutting a puppy and removing it's entrails to stir fry it in little bits....you might also wonder...sub-species? People can still wonder can't they? Western women can wonder what it's like living under Sharia law. Morrissey is "as advertised". There's no wondering. He leaves it all out there. Isn't that better? Again, really liked the video. Viva Moz.

@DavidFlowers777

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, no, calling people a "sub-species" because of their eating habits (no matter how cruel and unusual they seem to western culture) is just not ok. That's not "wondering", that's stripping an ethnicity of their humanity and that's pretty much the definition of racism

As a Morrissey fan, I very much appreciate the things you had to say in this video and will be sharing this. I 100% agree about the Twitter mob/echo chamber and the nuanced view about Morrissey. He is NOT a racist. Totally correct. ✊🏻

I think Morrissey's support of For Britain and his comment about preferring people of his own race warrants The Simpsons stretching the truth about his current vegetarianism. It's a TV show after all, and Morrissey has defended the indefensible. I think the show was, overall, well done.

I think that Simpson's parody was away over the top. It's quite funny and it has some great moments but Mozzer would never eat meat. I love The Smiths and I laughed with the song but it definitely gives a terrible image on Morrissey. He's not a saint but he's not that despicable as it shows

I’m a little confused. Can “nuanced” racism exist? I guess it could if everyone just had their little territory to retreat to, where interaction in a modern world isn’t required. Maybe I’m too idealistic

It started out funny and good spirited... but then turned unfair and ridiculous. He's not a racist... he's just not an ass kisser. Same goes for Lydon. Sorry that they don't tow the show biz political line that entertainers are expected to tow. They never did before and we loved them for it... now they're canceled for the same honesty??? Beyond dumb.

I have yet to see the episode but looks like the Simpson’s are trying to be South Park. I don’t believe in cancel culture and I can’t unlike the Smiths after loving them for so many decades. That said I’d never pay to see him again. I wouldn’t put money in his pocket to support the wrong side of politics. But his music in the past( before he changed) I still love. And there were others in that collaboration. Unfair to the band and it’s music.

He canceled a show in LA a few days ago 😅

Hey, I just checked out your channel. If I could give some criticism - too much noise in the thumbnail - you want a clear emotional state for a thumbnail as I've noticed that's what mainly attracts views. Best wishes, and good luck reviewing x

Morrissey should cover this.

I think everyone is missing an important point. As stated in the video Morrisey said he was going to go to court for damages. However his legal advisors convinced him not to as he would have lost, because in a civil court, with the balance of probability based on his recorded statements he is indeed a racist.

The Simpson's hasn't produced a laugh for me in decades. I'm a Moz fan but for the Simpson's to be parodying an icon who really hasn't really been in the limelight since the early nineties is scraping the bottom of the barrel for material.

I was a huge Morrissey fan and Simpsons fan and have seen both lose their way over the years. I laughed once but still enjoyed it for calling Moz out as heartbreaking as it is to be reminded about what he's become. I agree it was lazy portrayal but Simpsons has lost its nuance generally these days so is no surprise. Shame

i cannot fucking wait til...

Being world weary is just being….intelligent.

i would be afraid of Morrissey, . . . as your villain... can you imagine a Morrissey Blofeld ?

I might be late to the party and everybody left already, but I was watching reruns of the Simpsons again and the infamous episode was up. I personally don't have any beef (HA!) with Morrissey, his persona does get on my nerves a little, but more so the idolization he gets from his fans so whenever his music gets played in a club (yes, I go to the sort of clubs where they play him), it's my cue to go and get a drink while everybody goes mental on the dancefloor. After the Simpson episode (which I already seen when it first came out) I thought they did a little dirt on M. I mean, they have a long list of incredibly questionable characters on the show, but they didn't seem to have been half as mean to them as they were to M... (Elon Musk anybody? I have beef with him for example ;D). So I thought that was really weird and unfair. I also asked myself why M gets on my nerves a little. Maybe because I consider him an incredibly talented, even now very good looking (yes, he is my type of guy one hundred percent), maybe not mainstream famous but I would guess he can lead a very comfortable life and he's beloved by oh so many people in this world. For me he looks like a person who has been dealt very good cards in life but can't stop whining about the situation he's in. Yeah I know the world is sometime crap but c'mon.. "Cheer UP!! it may never happen." I know, nothing is ever that easy as it seems. Highly sensitive people as he is have a tendency to perceive the world in more and deeper facets/levels then others and are allowed to complain as much as they want. as I said I just leave the dance floor when they start whining. If you keep watching the same season of the Simpsons, a couple of episodes later, Lisa befriends Shauna, a problematic teenager, and again form a weird sisterly bond. Shauna is shown for the first time in the series as a more rounded character. In her bedroom hangs a poster of Morrissey.. or the character he is supposed to be in the show. So I guess there IS someone on the show who really like M. but maybe they are upset that their idol didn't turn out to be the Übermensch they hoped for. I made it easier, I chose an idol who's already dead (Quentin Crisp). That way I know he can't disappoint me but turning into sour old puss anymore.. he already was ;D JK. Love you mrs Crisp. Btw. There are a couple of Songs by Morrissey that I find genius, but I would never give him the satisfaction of making him shake my booty while he's whining on the speakers XD Bye kiddos

Mozza is too thin skinned to be honest. He can dish it out but can’t take it. I love The Smiths and a lot of his solo work but he does act like an overgrown child a lot of the time. I agree with you about the twitter mod.