The answer is yes and no. In Japan there used to be government official prostitutes called 遊女Yujyo and 花魁 Oiran. On the other hand, 芸者 Geisha as the name represents, were women who were professional entertainers of music and dancing (mainly at dinner parties). Geisha are not in the prostitution business, and it was their pride that they could attract people through their art alone. In reality though, there were some who provided sexual services for extra money, or because they were forced by their customers. However the geisha working at the 遊郭 yukaku (government approved red-light district), were considered to be at a lower rank than yujyo and oiran. Therefore, geisha having sexual relationships with customers was considered a violation of the jobs of the yujyo, and would be subject to severe punishment. But keep in mind that this is only within the yukaku, and the local geisha in the countryside provided prostitution services regularly. If you’d like to learn more about Japanese traditional culture, Kyoto, and social problems in Japan, please check out my channel & subscribe! *The content is based on personal studies and experience There is no intention of denying other theories and cultural aspects

@daniellebibona1503

Жыл бұрын

Have you seen the movie the geisha? Does that represent things properly or is it fiction?

@evildeku7346

Жыл бұрын

Here is a video idea can you do one on katana ranks in anime if they would work in real life or not

@JustMe54328

Жыл бұрын

Shogo pls talk about Japanese stationery They are so amazing

"and that's how, Yesn't was invited.."

@0zzburn313

Жыл бұрын

Hellon’t

@unknownperson8527

Жыл бұрын

"In major places, no. In minor places, yes" 🤣😭

@Serjo777

Жыл бұрын

invented*

@NisangaiZ

Жыл бұрын

Yes'nt has been invited to the party! +4 wisdom

@lol-gameplay7290

Жыл бұрын

It all began in the Edo period...

I love how you explain everything directly without sugar coating, be it historical or current events or people.

@THE_ONLY_GOD

Жыл бұрын

That was still full of japanese deceit sadly…they were and are and so are the maiko…

Effectively idols. Not really prostitutes unless they run on hard time or you’re wealthy enough. The more things change the more they stay the same :)

@Try95th

Жыл бұрын

Now I'm sad

@aluminiumknight4038

Жыл бұрын

He said they are a lower rank than prostitutes tho

@smgp2023

Жыл бұрын

Even actors specially in Hollywood, even minors weren't safe 😔

@baru6891

Жыл бұрын

@@aluminiumknight4038 only in yukaku

@patriciaangelapainter8278

Жыл бұрын

To revelate yourself for more needs means more side business

Thank you for clearing this up! I did a paper on this many years ago in high school when I was obsessed with them after watching Memoirs of A Geisha. Learned a lot from doing my own research and kept correcting people over time when they’d confuse Geisha and Oiran. Very informative short ☺️

@pauloazuela8488

Жыл бұрын

After knowing much about Oiran. I get confused what's the difference between them and concluded on my own that they might be the ancient hostess of Japan😅 without actually knowing about it

@KikyoSamaLover05

Жыл бұрын

Haaah your story is literally a copy of mine!! I got obsessed with geishas after watching "Memoirs" too

@riffgroove

Ай бұрын

​@KikyoSamaLover05 That movie is horrifically, laughably inaccurate.

"Forced by their customers" sounds an awful lot like rape, not a willing transaction for money.

Is one of those things where the line between geisha and oiran is vague at times, while geisha aren't supposed to practice prostitution behind the curtains some still did, and many high rank oiran where known for their artistic capabilities outside of their sexual services. Hence why many tend to confuse both.

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I always think of that movie Sakuran with Anna Tsuchiya when I think of Oiran. I know memoirs of a geisha had these kind of mixed up, even though it was supposedly written with consultation from a geisha (she went on to say it was all fabricated and wrote her own book). Either way thanks for this!

@angelic.com_

Жыл бұрын

Memories from a geisha was beautiful, but that detail ruined it a bit for me!

@magicscoolbus3834

Жыл бұрын

Wait Anna did a movie? I thought she only sang...

@riffgroove

Ай бұрын

​@@angelic.com_I love the movie Memoirs of a Geisha because it is so beautifully shot, but it is laughably inaccurate historically.

Fascinating how similar this is to "Actresses" from Europe back then, they were technically not prostitutes but entertainers, but wer also (in)famous for providing "private shows" and the source of the saying "Said the Actress to the Bishop" which has evolved into "That's what She's said".

@tiarezavaleta8850

Жыл бұрын

I was just thinking the same.

@narudayo5053

Жыл бұрын

It's similar to ballet/cabaret dancers

if it’s forced, that’s not prostitution that’s rape.

@Nesahak

Жыл бұрын

👏👏👏 Exactly

What happened probably is they went in thinking they were gonna be Geishas but their bosses thought it would be more profitable to make them something else

Thanks for the post 💙👍🏼 Also : Geisha were originaly and mainly men only , they had a different tasks . I saw the full documenty about geisha history on NHK world , I remember they mentioned that until now there's only 20 male geisha across japan 👍🏼

There are some biographies from geishay who did mizuage, a coming of age where some geisha houses sold their maiko's virginity for a lot of money.

@riffgroove

Ай бұрын

The practice existed, but it was not commonplace, nor did it last very long.

@kitsumekat

Ай бұрын

@@riffgroove Of course. But, so was a lot of prostitution in Japan.

the answer is Yes and No has become a running joke here

However, nowadays many maiko and geisha are sexually harassed I feel ashamed as a Japanese

Thus why there was upset when the book Memoirs of a Geisha came out!

I love how you explain Japanese history. I have always wanted to go there and just go exploring and meet new people from around the world.

Basically twitch streamer before the net even existed

@hotpopcorncake

Жыл бұрын

hahaha

Love how complete and nuanced your information is!

They were the original hostesses but more prettier

No, nono-no… if the answer is “yes” in any respect… the answer is _yes._ Regardless of how respected or top-tier they are.

@felicity1111

Жыл бұрын

they meant sometimes

Could you please also elaborate on the position of a Mama-San in Japan and the difference between the above and a Madame in the West? Thanks in advance!

Man humans never change

Basically when there were oiran, they didn’t want geiko and maiko and geisha to compete for prostitution customers, so they’d punish the geiko and maiko and geisha that did…but then historically apparently the lower priced prostitution services of geisha and geiko and maiko won and that is why there aren’t any oiran in modern japan.

Thank you for saying things as they are without sugar coating 🙏🏼

It's basically like how all Eagles are birds but not all birds are eagles

I watched an educational special on geisha on PBS, which explained the geisha were skilled entertainers who sometimes also offered sexual services. The geisha is the perfect woman made real. Sometimes she is a hired companion in modern dress. She might need to know how to golf and light a cigarette in an artistic manner. She might need to have knowledge of her client's interests. She might even become a wealthy man's mistress. A geisha can work as long as she can, regardless of age! The special had an interview with a ninety year old working geisha who was designated a national treasure! The special also explained that geisha became disrespected in Western culture because of the occupation of Japan after WWII, when any Japanese woman could "put on lipstick and a kimono and call herself a geisha." The ignorant Western men didn't know these common women were imposters.

still confused about them. but I'm leaving it alone.

this made me realize why idol culture is a big thing in japan

I was born and raised in Japan, but actually I almost never see geisha on a daily basis. I have lived in Japan for 19 years and have only seen geisha twice.

Thank you for going into this! And clarifying this. They were classy and talented hella artistic Renaissance ladies. If you could afford some extra loving, no one is knocking them.

Fascinating

Aren't Geishas professional entertainers?

@r4zi3lgintoro65

Жыл бұрын

like youtubers

@smokedcaramel3818

Жыл бұрын

@@r4zi3lgintoro65 but way more professional

@HmmYesInteresting...

Жыл бұрын

Geisha = onlyfans/e-girls

Makes sense!

Azming work 🔥🔥🔥

I remember the Memoirs of a Geisha was the story of someone who Arthur wasn’t interested in that wanted to look into the ones forced into it or something and the original inspiration for the novel shared her distaste for it and having it as my senior thesis.

@riffgroove

Ай бұрын

The author of that book was sued by the real-life Geisha he got most of his information from. That movie was NOT well received in Japan. After that movie came out, every Geisha had to explain to everyone that prostitution was NOT part of their job.

So kinda like strippers?

Here on Finland is a chocolate candy named geisha IT has a pink packaging and tastes like chocolate

It's because of the Edo period.

I just liked the video and it got up from 6,8k to 6,9k. It just feels like true power

"Is there poop in the soup?" "The answer is yes and no"

My understanding is that it used to be legal until the 40s but some continued illegally

Neither era Shogo-san, self side business is a real thing to consider for such needs and to say expense for safety too than using your body.

What's the difference between Yujyo and Oiran?

Now it could be kinda offensive but i really want a book recomendation list about japanse social problems. And the reason i apologise in advance is veacuse the only 'japanese' book i could fing was Ikigai. Please fellow japan enthusiasts kindly recomend me books on contemporary japan (preferably after 1945).

modern day twitch streamers 💀

I guess sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, even in Japan

"You can look but you can't touch ☝️" Super wealthy guys: Let's see about that

What about the men who dressed as women?

Take me back

so like twitch streamer?

@icsg7287

Жыл бұрын

lmfao

Oh! Ok so Geisha’s are like, in a way, Drag Preformers! They and us Focus on our art form but there are the occasional performers who indulge in other things

@LilyUnicorn

Жыл бұрын

Not really indulging if corrupt individuals take advantage of them and their situation

Yes..period

There's something about the countryside that attracts me😂😂

They were attractive talented females. Of course they were exploited

I love your videos Japanese culture is amazing.

They're upper class. They're artist who some sell out their art

That's way too creepy to want to be entertained by, yet alone aroused. Yish.

Fun fact: Here in Sweden we have a chocolate candy called Geisha. And it is the best! I highly recommend trying them

@felicity1111

Жыл бұрын

yumm

*A yen is a yen*

So sugar baby

its okay..everyone need money

They were tegami

The answer is always yes and no

So the OG twitch streamer?

So Aqua-sama is a Geisha

Identity v flash backs*

@Wolfie118

Жыл бұрын

Never again

So the answer is yesn't. 👀

and what about... Maiko girls? :o

@riffgroove

Ай бұрын

A Maiko is an apprentice Geisha. That's it

I have a question 🙋🏽‍♀️

First time hearing this information but i feel like i knew that already

🔥🔥🔥

Wow they were very open minded at the time

Very interesting and informative. Please allow me to offer some in return: “prostitutes” is ‘pros-ti-tutes’ unlike “pros-tutes” as you were saying. Thank you!

Love the channel, been making notes all day. Anything on prices?

In Finland we have "Geisha" chocolate by Fazer. Last year the name became controversial but luckily it didn't get changed. Try it out if coming to Finland!

The answer is yes and no. So yes.

What is a(an) Yujyo?

@candicechan3880

Жыл бұрын

In short: prostitutes

@nidohime6233

Жыл бұрын

I think it means prostitute.

A geisha seems to be quite similar to the ancient greek hetaira

Sometimes

Yes they were not.

Right. Just as a escort is not a prostitute. NOT!

what happens if an Oiran gets pregnant? Does she keep the baby? Or were there any contraceptives/abortion methods back in the day?

@ilikecookies9796

Жыл бұрын

Linfamy has a video on that, I believe.

I'm very curious about something though, about the fact that they sold their virginity ? Is it true ?

@chanmarr8118

Жыл бұрын

No. According to the geisha that was interviewed by Arthur Golden who wrote Memoirs of a Geisha, they don’t do that. It was possibly a miscommunication with translators. I don’t remember the details because I had looked it up over a decade ago but that’s the gist of it.

@allisonguezello7753

Жыл бұрын

@@chanmarr8118 thanks !!

@LilyUnicorn

Жыл бұрын

Only the backwaters scummy ones who trick young girls.

@dih0106

Жыл бұрын

My understanding is that it used to be legal until the 40s but some continued illegally

@riffgroove

Ай бұрын

​@@chanmarr8118Arthur Golden ended up getting sued by the real GEISHA he got most of his information from.

Like ..escorts...🤷

A quick question, what type of a sensei are you?( Aikido, Capoeira, Hapkido, Jujutsu, Kali, Karate, Kendo,Kenjutsu, Krav, Maga, Kuksoolwon, Kyudo, Nanbudo and MUCH more) i am curious because i haven’t found any clue on what you’re martial arts is, can you reply because i bet very much other people are willing to know the answer too! And ive been a loyal subscriber for a long time. Thanks!

Can I get a geisha here in the US?

Tf😂

Oh... 💀

Imagine a world where prostitution is a higher status job than pop idol

Yes and no. You mean yes 🙄

@felicity1111

Жыл бұрын

sometimes

Sooooo they're female streamers

Didn't geisha start off as young male actors casted in female role that might have also part took in paid sexual services, with men, after the show?

@riffgroove

Ай бұрын

You're thinking of Kabuki actors. Not the same thing.

@damientom

Ай бұрын

@@riffgroove I'm not a historian, so I am not sure.

Am not a homo, is homosexuality illegal in Japan

@riffgroove

Ай бұрын

No, it isn't.

I WANT ONE