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NGL, this sounds like a really stressful way to relax.

@colbyhallowell3284

29 күн бұрын

That's Urban japan for you.

@FunkyBukkyo

29 күн бұрын

Nomikai is work, nothing relaxing about it.

@othmanesaoud8457

26 күн бұрын

😂😂

@robertlamantin5088

24 күн бұрын

As a lot of Japanese way to do things, if I may say. Like, just chatting : you've so many topics to avoid (local or global politic, religions, opinions, money, modern culture... you name it) that you're more thinking about "what not to say" than "what to say"...

@someperson7

24 күн бұрын

@@robertlamantin5088 you must stick to the seven topics of congeniality and avoid the four deadly remarks

If you don't drink, you might as well work overtime. I would feel like dying if someone kept insisting to drink and be offended if I refused. Paying my share for things I didn't want would be the final straw.

@AngelaSmith_1970

29 күн бұрын

Exactly

@weaver270

28 күн бұрын

yeah I dont drink so that would be annoying

I have another Tabboo. Never vomit on the table

@iskandartaib

28 күн бұрын

Yeah, better to do it on the floor. 😂😂😂 Unless it's tatami, of course..

I'm curious how would a recovering alcoholic who is abstinent handle these parties in the correct way that doesn't jeopardise their sobriety without coming across as rude or participating in taboos?

@squallrulz20

13 күн бұрын

As a person who refuses to drink alcohol I would like to know this to.

@dlevi67

11 күн бұрын

Order tea or non-alcohol beer

Shogo, Many thanks for these videos! I'm moving to Tokushima from Ireland this summer and find these super helpful!

I'd add one thing that you might have taken for granted. Don't sip your drink until after the toast. My first time out drinking with friends, I went in as soon as my drink arrived like I'd normally do alone and I think they felt I was rushing them. Also, for anyone that doesn't drink, I'd recommend asking for oolong tea. Every place I've been to has it.

@alexk7973

7 күн бұрын

Just a tip in case you plan to widen your intercultural experience: most of Europe also practices the „start consumption after all members of the party have been served only“ system. That goes for drink as well as food. There usually will be some kind of phrase said before everyone starts eating (like bon appetit in French or Guten Appetit in German) or drinking (like cheers). It will be different for every language of course. And it will be less ritualistic with non alcoholic beverages. Nevertheless it can be seen as impolite to disregard the customs entirely. Also, there will be certain customs regarding the holding and placing of eating utensils that will differ somewhat from country to country. But there are ways to place your cutlery on your plate that will signal to everyone at the table whether you are done eating or just taking a break. My mother has been telling me about this Brazilian coworker of hers who doesn‘t understand the concept regarding the utensils and every time they have lunch with their team, she keeps everybody at the table for way to long, because the way she places her utensils when she is full makes it seem like she is just taking a break 😅

Im six months too late to know about the taboos on nomikai 😂 But its really the only way you can talk to your colleague here in Japan 🥲 They dont really talk about outside work unless its in a party especially to gaijins...

That is very fascinating. In the U.S.A., having dinner ẅith the bosses is not much fun either. You want to have fun but you also want to put your best foot forward. You feel pressure to impress the bosses and your co-workers.

Also here in the Philippines, we also say “Kanpai” when toasting our drinks! Except that it’s not really only beer that’s served, but also soda, iced tea, etc.

@Ponkodesu

29 күн бұрын

"Tagay" yon pre, gaya gaya lang natin yang kampai.

@iskandartaib

28 күн бұрын

They do do this in Japan, too..

It is less common here in Germany but many of these rules apply to formal dinners and upper class social gatherings too. It’s very interesting to see the similarities between cultures in that way

This has more rules than a football game.😅

I should do one for UK drinking culture. A free one, take your glass back to the bar !

@jimUkay

29 күн бұрын

I'm interested to know. Please explain it away.

What happens if someone is alergic to alcohol or cant drink do to medication? Im disabled and have a walker, would that get in the way of drinking parties?

The reasson, they can be more open when drinking,- now i understand the party scene from Kaiju No.8 :D edit: first thought, they mixed something in the drinks or smt xD

@lets ask shogo What if you have chronic stomach problems and can’t drink alcohol? Can a person choose not to drink and still go to a nomikai for networking? How would not drinking affect networking and influence at work?

Awesome video as always Shogo.

How about just don’t drink at all? That includes not going to drinking parties.

I always made it a point to limit my drinking to two beers if I was with higher ups. If I drank anything at all. A party with bosses is NOT a party. It's a minefield. Nurse your drink, be polite, chew with your mouth closed, and get out.

I find this so interesting, i have read that in old norse culture they considered what was said while drunk to be more truthful or pure then how people normally express themselves. When you factor in the archeological fact that agrarian cultures organised around creating beer before they were creating bread, and then understand that humans can smell ethanol from a great distance and then on average process it internally far better then most animals by a factor of 5 or 6 it seems alcohol is far more culturally significant then many would like to think. Another great video!

I would die from sheer anxiety.

Most excellent video 🎉

You're explaining the reasons behind rules and taboos is very interesting.

i aint doing all that, boss if you wana drink with me then drink but i aint your slave

Now I'm terrified.

Hmmm very helpful. Not doomed as I thought I would be. Even though I don't drink, could still pour for others and toast with Gingerale Soda. 😎🍻💋 PS Employed people spend over 60% of their time "at Work" which is why many Western Career/Job searchers talk about not only Work/Life balance but finding a Job with enjoyable aspects and compatible co workers when possible and at the very least avoiding turly Toxic work culture.

Sounds lit

Sounds like a way to Network in the business, rather than a way to necessarily enjoy yourself. I must say tho, as an high-functioning autistic, I honestly appreciate the structure and rules. Here in the west, it's also common to drink after you "Kanpai", and is considered rude to put your cup down without taking even a sip. So I see this video as just an extension/additional practices. ありがとうございます。

I have a Question, I do not drink alcohol, would it be proper to drink something like Tea in this type of social situation?

Thank you! I will avoid these parties like the plague

Hi shogo, my sensei spent a few years in japan back in the 80s and he told me about san kai nomi, that is going to 3 different places to have some drinks. I wonder if that's still a thing

Looks cool ngl 😂

Japan needs to come up with non-alcoholic Nomikai.

The pressure of attending a nomikai was higher back when lifetime employment was a thing. Nowadays with less job security and even younger people choosing arbaito or being freeter, some of the younger generation may care about nomikai less.

Yeah, I remember when my boss, myself and co-workers went to some drinking parties here in Oslo. It was typically for special occasions, say a contract or finishing some major project. Other times it was just us guys (not the boss) having a shindig at Fridays, end of the week. And it was for special occasions, say before a concert or something. That was years ago, so I’m not familiar if it still happens.

Hey Shogo will you do a reaction abou the TV show Shogun?

I wanna go to Japan in the future Japan is beautiful place and I love the culture

For those who don't drink alcohol, is it considered rude to just drink water or soft drinks during the entire party? 😊

I was just in Japan I noticed several of the of the drinking parties.

Shogo, are there plans for having 4K videos? Since you got 1.77 million followers, Id assume you could upgrade :)

I wonder how Japanese people do psychotherapy, both as a patient and as a practitioner.

@DavidCruickshank

29 күн бұрын

Poorly. Mental health problems are massively looked down upon, if you say "i'm going to therapy" people will think you're a scary crazy person.

@ColonelMarcellus

26 күн бұрын

Hope they don't have a drinking party during the session.

Let's rolling under the table

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How are these events handled for people who have an alcohol intolerance enzyme deficiency? Are they expected to fully participate or are they allowed to not attend?

last 4 minutes are the most interesting part for me you should make a timestamp

Wouldn't it be easier to have some tea with your colleagues if you want to get to know them?

I’m curious as a plumber, how would things like this be different for a person who works a blue collar job. as compared to all of the popular office jobs over there. Is it a very different setting and less formal as compared to a corporate party?

@Forseti2

Ай бұрын

I would guess more lively 😅🍺

Does the guide apply equally for male's and females?

It sounds less like a party and more like a social ritual. Something that isn't really about celebrating anything, but is used to promote social cohesion, is that right?

Question, how many drinks are you supposed to have before you're allowed to wear a necktie around your head?

As a German I must watch this👀

I actually like the structure, assuming that after all the toasting, you can actually get to the gossiping and small talk eventually!

Nothing like alcohol to make us all friends. I wish I could find it, but there's a great video of an anthropologist partaking of a Spring fertility celebration in a small rural Japanese village. The ritual involved drinking sake and jumping into cold water... Some things are universal.

Lotts of rules, however with the history lesson it all makes sense. No to commit to memory before a trip

Sometimes it feels like there are more "dos and don'ts" in Japan than any other country in the world.

I'm not Japanese i kinda understand it as a respect thing. My mother raised me to have respect especially when out eating, for example. You don't start eating if your food arrives before someone else's, you wait until everyone has their food. If you're at a big family gathering and everyone is being served food or serving their own, it's women, children and elders first, you wait before being served or serving yourself. If there's a toast you sip after toasting. If you're drinking and getting up to grab another drink for yourself always grab the other person one as well or at the very least ask even if their drink is full

I would have trouble at such gatherings as I don't drink alcohol.

Nothing beats zenshin 💛 perfection is virtu. Shogo sensai nice kimono arigato . gambate weekend beloved.

Drink Parties are supposed to be a Happy & Stress-free moment so i found this a bit boring too much formalities is such is just lame😂

I remember something called Nomihoudai when I was in Kyoto 2009

Hey SHOGO , and Seki Sensei , , greetings again from central Florida , its no problem for me because i don't drink alcohol even now in my 40s 😸👍👍in my 100 SUBs shout vid i recently demonstrated some Link of HYRULE sword techniques that will make you giggle 😂 , Shogo your videos are great because you remind me of one of my previous Highschool friends explaining Japan to me after a long vacation there 😂😂 very cool Shogo 🏆😸👍👍

There's no formality to it, but in the US it's not that uncommon for the corporate team culture to include a night out at the bar a couple times a month, particularly with office/tech work. People won't hold it against you if you decline, but showing up at the company drinking night will often get you looped in with people from tangential groups that are helpful for moving your projects along, so there are advantages.

Oh Shogo... Are you watching Kami no Glass these days

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There are plenty of other ways to get to know people besides drinking

As a beer geek, I find Japanese drinking culture very intresting. There are some elements of this in the west. But, it's not usually so structured and hierarchical.

Yeah, I'll stick to just stick to pre-gaming and then singing dirty rugby songs with the lads!

11:45 communication doesn’t have to involve getting drunk… even doesn’t have to involve alcohol…That’s the toxic part.

The girl in the thumbnail reminds me of Grima Wormtongue.

📺 👀👂

come on Shogo, not waiting for the bill actually has a very practical solution. is it not common for a group "not so kouhai" to be responsible for watching the partial bill and taking care of the people that has to leave early? so if i have to run for any reason, i just pay a partial amount to the cashier and let the person in charge with the receipt... so it's all cool, right??

@alexandrevaz6944

26 күн бұрын

and then the group will slowly getting shorter... and then the group can continue in another bar and keep going on and on.... dunno, seems natural and easygoing and i have another big no-no: DONT EVER START DRINKING OR EATING BEFORE THE HIGHEST HIERARCHIC PERSON IN THAT TABLE - but i guess this goes naturally by people paying attention... and the initial kanpai marking the go time... isnt it?

@weedluffy

26 күн бұрын

@@alexandrevaz6944 man i really wanna learn shamisen over there, but would never be able to submit to the ageist manners Japan has when interacting with people you see often

If you are not Japanese it doesn’t really matter if you make mistakes about their customs. It’s to be expected if you allow tourists. None of the immigrants here follow our customs.

I think japanese let the greedy rich people that exploit them into their personal after work life far to much.

Drinking is for unhappy people

Glad I'm not in Japan but I love your videos and learning about your culture. Great Job!

Nomikai=drink fight We talking about bar fights?!

@gbormann71

29 күн бұрын

Words can have multiple meanings. I'd translate 'kai' here as 'meeting' or 'gettogether' but we'd only know for sure if we're given the kanji for 'kai.'

@GG-ee5hm

29 күн бұрын

@@gbormann71 飲み会

@kagetsu13

29 күн бұрын

@@gbormann71 Yeah but it’s fun to think of it that way. Imagine tabekai as food fight!

You lost me at beer. Lemon sour or Hibiki.

Hello!

I have to thank you for your videos. They're very educational. I just have a comment that it's a shame many of the younger generations cannot see parties like this as not only a way to communicate with others at their jobs but to view it as their superiors are appreciating them for all the hard work they do at their jobs.

''inferior person'', yikes

@joshholden9360

29 күн бұрын

Yeah, sounds pretty rough, but in context, he clearly means "subordinate."

I personally wish, that Western take more over about japanese way respecting Rules to communicate with each others. Of course youngsters are not very keen of Rules, but these are also to respect others... this Rules we're not difficult at all to follow - very easy and simple...

I think there's more merit to the Japanese drinking parties which many westerners may not like to admit. People dismiss the consumption of alcohol as just substance abuse, but the traditions and culture around drinking in company has been a mainstay for thousands of years. I do believe that you go through a kind of bonding experience with other people and getting a little drunk together. It's a way of letting your guard down in the company of others and expressing some vulnerability with eachother in a way that is hard to do while sober.

Ehh? I actually dont rlly know sum of these, cuz i don't drink. 🥹

Josif Stalin had these drinking parties. It help him pick out the person to be "erased" or made "disappear" if someone under the influence of liquor would say something unfavourably about uncle Joe. 🪦🪦🪦